hosank Posted December 29, 2006 Report Share Posted December 29, 2006 hmmm... cairo was under turkish authority until the british kicked them out. and the cia factbook is usually known to be a credible source, but for many middle eastern and caucasian countries it is not always correct, mostly because it is hard to collect data from these areas, not to mention that this census has been made prior to 2005. im sure the official numbers of the armenian ministries would be more proper. just because turkey had a state does not mean turks had freedom...there is such a thing as an oppressive authoritarian state. why is islam decentralised? because the young turks killed the kalif in 1908 (or what ever). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shaunt Posted December 29, 2006 Report Share Posted December 29, 2006 Some of the attitudes and behaviors exhibited by Armenians today are no different than those exhibited by the Young Turks nearly a 100 years ago. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hellektor Posted December 29, 2006 Report Share Posted December 29, 2006 Some of the attitudes and behaviors exhibited by Armenians today are no different than those exhibited by the Young Turks nearly a 100 years ago. What's wrong with that? And what "behaviors exhibited by Armenians" can even come close to the least crime the Young Jurks committed? Turkey founded its state on genocide. They evicted the landlord after using and abusing them for 9 centuries, never paid a penny's worth rent, broke the back of the Armenian farmers by heavy taxing, used our women to procreate, stole our kids and used them to fight their wars, used us to build their goddamn "empire" and in the end when they did not need us anymore (or so they thought) they slaughtered us and threw us out of our home. And see the bright future that this behavior brought them. They are respected everywhere (boosted by the Judeo-Saxon media of course) as being a secular, modern, European, democratic "nation" ready to invade EU and turkify Europe. They sell themselves at an unbelievably high price: while they are garbage, they have convinced the West that they are extremely important and the world could not exist without Turkey always speaking with the language of threats when the smallest improvement is timidly suggested to them. Hypothetically, why shouldn't we, if we got the chance, act similarly? Have they EVER been punished or even admonished for all the shit they put us through? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hosank Posted December 30, 2006 Report Share Posted December 30, 2006 actually, armenians do not at all have the same attitude as the turks. we are fighting to preserve ourselves, to make justice and so on, our cause it nothing less then noble. turks fight to expand their imperialism and destruction to other nations Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shaunt Posted December 30, 2006 Report Share Posted December 30, 2006 (edited) Hypothetically, why shouldn't we, if we got the chance, act similarly? Because we hold them in contempt for what they have committed. Why would we imitate reprobate people, people who we despise? We should preserve the righteousness of our cause, not debase it! Edited December 30, 2006 by shaunt Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hellektor Posted December 31, 2006 Report Share Posted December 31, 2006 Because we hold them in contempt for what they have committed. Why would we imitate reprobate people, people who we despise? We should preserve the righteousness of our cause, not debase it! You didn't actually get my point. I was going to add "don't give me clichés like we are Armenians and we are cultured, we are not like them, etc., etc." This was a rhetorical question and what I meant was we always think we know better and it's the Turk that has refused to learn the abc of civilization from the indigenous peoples of the lands they raped. But we also could learn a couple of things from the Turks. They KNOW the most important thing on this planet (as long as we aren't able to go to another one) is territory. They were and are willing to commit genocide of any kind to usurp territory and they always get away with it. That's something us, the Armenians, have not learnt yet. Example: The talks with the "Azeri" garbage where ceding land to the losers of the war is the number one condition in all resolutions. The cattle-herder pan-Turkist nomads are ONLY after territory and we, who have lost more than 90% of our homeland to these barbarians, are still willing to give precious land, liberated at the price of the blood of our best men and women, in exchange of a worthless piece of pissed on peace paper. As if we still don't know that the Turk will never be satisfied until they swallow this small remainder of our home. In a way, Artsakh is the most important issue for us. I put a higher importance on Artsakh than the recognition of the AG. Our nation was slaughtered and they're all gone. Everybody knows this and the absence of the Christian Armenians from their homeland of thousands of years is the irrefutable evidence. Our small 2% of liberated land however, is there, under Armenian control and in NO WAY any Armenian must allow themselves to think about ceding a square millimeter of that land no matter how much pressure exerted by the Judeo-Saxon world. The Germans recognized their crime and became a powerful industrialized country, the Viruses refuse to recognize their entire savage history yet they also sell themselves as important and eventually will enter EU. In any case you'll get away with genocide so why on earth should we behave in a civilized manner in this filthy world? Just imagine for a moment, the cemetery of Jugha's creation process took about 9 centuries. It started in the 8th or 9th century and was stopped in the 17th century at the time of the forced immigration of my ancestors by Shah Abbas in 1604. Think of all those thousands of hours the Armenian masters put in carving stone and turning it into works of art. The "Azeri" scum destroyed the 30% surviving khachkars in three sessions (1998, 2002, 2005), probably in a dozen days of "work" Turkish style. They got away with it, and the shameless media blackout of the "civilized" world convinced them that no matter what they do to us, they'll get away with it. No wonder they are so brazen and still demand land and "compensation" from us and are accusing us of genocide while their genocidal acts of 1988-1992 are completely "forgotten" by the world. Just give me ONE good reason why we shouldn't dump the "Azeri" dross in the Caspian next time we got the chance and PLEASE don't tell me because we are Armenians and we are civilized and we hold them in contempt. These attributes are completely useless in a world where that same civilization can be sledge hammered in front of the eyes of the "civilized" world that DOES NOT hold the Turds in contempt, on the contrary, they’re on all fours taking in Turkish Delight in every stinking orifice of their putrid cadavers. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
neko Posted December 31, 2006 Report Share Posted December 31, 2006 More braying from Hellektor. I picture him in real life as a meek clerk in an office, being told all day to do this, do that, file this, file that, and with his resulting resentment growing by the second. If not that, then something similar - because there must be some real-life reason behind his "grade-5 sandpaper" online persona. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Takoush Posted December 31, 2006 Report Share Posted December 31, 2006 (edited) You didn't actually get my point. I was going to add "don't give me clichés like we are Armenians and we are cultured, we are not like them, etc., etc." This was a rhetorical question and what I meant was we always think we know better and it's the Turk that has refused to learn the abc of civilization from the indigenous peoples of the lands they raped. But we also could learn a couple of things from the Turks. They KNOW the most important thing on this planet (as long as we aren't able to go to another one) is territory. They were and are willing to commit genocide of any kind to usurp territory and they always get away with it. That's something us, the Armenians, have not learnt yet. Example: The talks with the "Azeri" garbage where ceding land to the losers of the war is the number one condition in all resolutions. The cattle-herder pan-Turkist nomads are ONLY after territory and we, who have lost more than 90% of our homeland to these barbarians, are still willing to give precious land, liberated at the price of the blood of our best men and women, in exchange of a worthless piece of pissed on peace paper. As if we still don't know that the Turk will never be satisfied until they swallow this small remainder of our home. In a way, Artsakh is the most important issue for us. I put a higher importance on Artsakh than the recognition of the AG. Our nation was slaughtered and they're all gone. Everybody knows this and the absence of the Christian Armenians from their homeland of thousands of years is the irrefutable evidence. Our small 2% of liberated land however, is there, under Armenian control and in NO WAY any Armenian must allow themselves to think about ceding a square millimeter of that land no matter how much pressure exerted by the Judeo-Saxon world. The Germans recognized their crime and became a powerful industrialized country, the Viruses refuse to recognize their entire savage history yet they also sell themselves as important and eventually will enter EU. In any case you'll get away with genocide so why on earth should we behave in a civilized manner in this filthy world? Just imagine for a moment, the cemetery of Jugha's creation process took about 9 centuries. It started in the 8th or 9th century and was stopped in the 17th century at the time of the forced immigration of my ancestors by Shah Abbas in 1604. Think of all those thousands of hours the Armenian masters put in carving stone and turning it into works of art. The "Azeri" scum destroyed the 30% surviving khachkars in three sessions (1998, 2002, 2005), probably in a dozen days of "work" Turkish style. They got away with it, and the shameless media blackout of the "civilized" world convinced them that no matter what they do to us, they'll get away with it. No wonder they are so brazen and still demand land and "compensation" from us and are accusing us of genocide while their genocidal acts of 1988-1992 are completely "forgotten" by the world. Just give me ONE good reason why we shouldn't dump the "Azeri" dross in the Caspian next time we got the chance and PLEASE don't tell me because we are Armenians and we are civilized and we hold them in contempt. These attributes are completely useless in a world where that same civilization can be sledge hammered in front of the eyes of the "civilized" world that DOES NOT hold the Turds in contempt, on the contrary, they’re on all fours taking in Turkish Delight in every stinking orifice of their putrid cadavers. You said it plenty and you said it well. It is a filthy filthy world; Christian or otherwise. You speak same as any just and well meaning Armenian patriotic who sees the matters in the right perspective. You speak same as our past General Karekin Nejteh. He has felt the very same way; since we are dealing with the BARBARIC turks and the BARBARIC azerbaboons, and basically the whole civilized world (Europeans and Americans alike); then it is time for Armenians to put those barbars in their respective place and act fiercely as they have towards us and they still do. Enough is enough. We should never give an inch of land back to the 'azeri shoon shan vorties' any land. Especially after our young men fought it with their last blood. That piece of land is their last breath's legacy to us and if they get out of their graves and see that we have given it back to the enemy, they'll spit at us for giving it back to those BARBARIC azeri dogs. Act fiercely with barbars; because they don't understand any other language but their own. Edited December 31, 2006 by Anahid Takouhi Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GevorgP Posted December 31, 2006 Author Report Share Posted December 31, 2006 (edited) yes. if there is any chance to survive, we will take it. we learned our lesson once, do not trust your islamo turkish rulers 1915..we don't make the same mistake. Սիրելի Հոսանք, Անահիտ Թագուհի, Իռլանդահայ, Հայեր, Մենք իհարկե եղբայրների եւ քույրերի պես միասնական պիտի գործենք մեր համազգային շահերը հետապնդելիս, հակադրվել կարող ենք միայն այլ հարցերում: Ակնհայտ է որ, պետք է օգտագործել Սփյուռքի եւ ՀՀ-ի ողջ ներուժը ու Հայաստանի տնետեսական ու քաղաքական առաջընթացը ապահովել` գործերով, ոչ միայն խոսքերով: Բայց նախօրոք մենք պետք է որոշենք թե որոնք են մեր համազգային գերակայությունները` դետալների, մանրամասնների մակարդակով: 1. Մենք պետք է ապագայում կարողանանք արտադրել` ինքնաթիռներ, ավտոմեքենաներ, հետագայում նաեւ տիեզրանավեր, շեշտը դնելով ռազմական արտադրանքի վրա` հիշենք որ մեր հայրենակիցները ՍՍՀՄ-ում առաջատար դիրքեր էին գրավում վերոհիշյալ ասպարեզներում: Հայաստանում էլ մենք անցյալում ունեինք բազմաթիվ գիտահետազոտական կազմակերպություններ որոնք աշխատում էին վերոհիշյալ թեմաների վրա: Այսպիսով եկեք օգտվենք մեր ազգի որակական հատկանիշներից: Համոզված եմ կգտնվեն մարդիկ որ կծիծաղեն այս խոսքերիս վրա, բայց մենք էլ, դեռեւս 15 տարի առաջ, լուրջ չէինք ընդունում ՀՀ-ի անկախության հնարավորությանը` չնայած շատ էինք երազում: 2. Մեր սփյուռքի մեծահարուստենրը եւ մյուս հայրենասներ հայրենակիցները պետք է աջակցեն այս գործին, հիշելով թե ինչ պատահեց ցեղասպանության ժամանակ մեր ազգակիցներին ու նրանց զավակներին` հարուստ թե աղքատ: Եվ որ ցանկացած երկրում նույնիսկ հարուստները` օրինակ ինչպես հրեաները, մի օր կհռչակվեն անցանկալի եվ բնիկներին կեղեքող` Գաղթականներ այստեղից բխող բոլոր հետեւանքներով: Եկենք հզորացենենք այն հողակտորը որտեղ ոչ ոք մեզ, Հայերիս, գաղթական չի կարող անվանել: 3. Վերոհիշյալը ապահովելու համար համար գլխավոր նախապայման է ուսուցիչենրի, պետական բուհերի դասախոսների եւ գիտաշխատողների աշխատավարձի բարձրացումը` չնայած այն արդեն բարձրացվել է, բայց դա դեռեւս քիչ է վերոհիշյալ նպատակին հասնելու համար: Մնացյալը` գիտական ներուժը, որը թերեւս ամենաթանկ գնահատվող բանն է զարգացած աշխարհում, մենք, փառք աստծո, դեռեւս ունենք մեր երկրում, պարզապես պետք է մնացածի արտագաղթը կանխարգելել: 4. Հայաստանում ապրող լավ եւ չտես մեծահարուստները պետք է հասկանան որ իշխանության հասնելու նպատակը այն չէ, որ իրենք կարողանան իրենց եկամուտները թաքցնել, եւ հարկերը չմուծելով ավելի հարստանալ, իսկ մուծված հարկերի հաշվին ապրող թոշակառուներին, ուսուցիչներին եւ այլոց հասցնել ծայրահեղ թշվառության` որից դեպի հեղափոխություն մեկ քայլ է, եթե դա երկար շարունակվի, չնայած Հայի անհատակ համբերատարությանը: Ըստ Ավետարանի` "Կա քար հավաքելու շամանակը եւ կա քար նետելու ժամանակը": ՀՀ մեծահարուստներ այնպես մի արեք որ, ապագա ընտրություններում, կեղծիքների ու կաշառքի միջոցով "հաղթելով" եւ ժողովրդին կրկին թողնելով մի կտոր հացի կարոտ` ժողովուրդը թուրքերի փոխարեն ձեր դեմ հանեք, ձեր միլլիարդներին մի քանի, ձեր համար ոչինչ չարժեցող, միլլիոններ ավելացնելու համար: 5. Իսկ ինչ վերաբերվում է Թուրքերից մեր մնացած հողերը հետ վերցնելուն, մենք կսպասենք ու երբ մեր օրը գա` այնժամ հույսը մասսամբ դնելով մեր տնտնեսական ու ռազմական ներուժի, եւ նաեւ բավական մեծ չափով այն դաշնակիցների վրա` որոնք եւս շահագրգռված կլինեն Թուրքիային անդամահատելու մեջ` տարբեր նպատակներով` բայց բարձրաձայն պայմանավորելով դա Եղեռնով: Սկայն սա չի նշանակում որ հիմա մենք չպետք է բարձրաձայն քննարկենք իրավիճակը` ընդհակառակը մենք դա պիտի անենք հաճախակի եւ հիմնավոր, այնպես որ մինչ ժամը հասնելը, աշխարհի բոլոր ծայրերում իմանան որ մենք ենք օրինական պահանջատերը` կանխարգելելու համար այլ "պահանջատերերի" մուտքը ասպարեզ: Շնորհավոր բոլորիդ Նոր Տարին եւ Սուրբ Ծնունդը: Edited December 31, 2006 by GevorgP Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zurderer Posted December 31, 2006 Report Share Posted December 31, 2006 cairo was under turkish authority until the british kicked them out. Yeah, You saw point. Kick us out of van or just shut up. It is becoming boring. im sure the official numbers of the armenian ministries would be more proper. Most probably, after all ROA is a democratic state, not a mafia style state. just because turkey had a state does not mean turks had freedom...there is such a thing as an oppressive authoritarian state. I am talking about freedom of nations, not persons. Of course turks were suppressed like other people. Infact Turks rebelled ottomans much more than any other nation. why is islam decentralised? because the young turks killed the kalif in 1908 (or what ever). No, we have not church. Also Young Turks did not killed kalif, caliphate is abolished by Ataturk. We had not rome. Caliphates are only leaders of their states, not other states. Hypothetically, why shouldn't we, if we got the chance, act similarly? You can do, just dont cry for it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Armenak Posted December 31, 2006 Report Share Posted December 31, 2006 More braying from Hellektor. I picture him in real life as a meek clerk in an office, being told all day to do this, do that, file this, file that, and with his resulting resentment growing by the second. If not that, then something similar - because there must be some real-life reason behind his "grade-5 sandpaper" online persona. Why? Because everything he is saying, albeit in a harsh and offensive manner, is true? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
irlandahay Posted January 3, 2007 Report Share Posted January 3, 2007 More braying from Hellektor. I picture him in real life as a meek clerk in an office, being told all day to do this, do that, file this, file that, and with his resulting resentment growing by the second. If not that, then something similar - because there must be some real-life reason behind his "grade-5 sandpaper" online persona. I really wonder where you get the balls to talk like that... I for one disagree with hellektor's way of thinking but i respect him. since youv come here youv been eager to show off that little bit of "intelligence". to me its useless blabbering. so far youv done nothing but critiseize him. if you want to picture him so you can pleasure yourself later on tonight be my guest, but if your insults arn't heading in any direction (an elaboration of your thoughts and points of view would be ideal) then do us all a favor and shut it. Hellektor. You have every right to be angry. But that is just not the way to deal with things nowadays. I understand that as soon as our foot crosses the azeri border wel feel like beating the shit out of every single peace of grass with a furious rage but that is simply not the right thing. let me ask you this...would you be able to willfully execute a man,woman or child? would you be able to pull the trigger and put an end to their miserable lives? regardless of what their ancestors have done to us I would never be able to return the favor. Its just not part of my preson. they deserve a horrible death but only those responsible. in fact, i dont feel threatened by azeris as much as i do turks. turks are the reason, they are the reason for everything. we can find the source of every one of armenias problem to be based in turkey, heck even the armenian mafia is run by armenian turks... But acting as they have does not make our cause noble. how can we be able to live with this stain on our conscience? I'd rather be the greater man and serve justice with minimal bloodshed. sure, sometimes there is no other way, but i hope armenia will not have to resort to those exreams just yet. in the mean time...happy new year cheers mate Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Posted January 3, 2007 Report Share Posted January 3, 2007 Nowadays, Azeris seemingly hate us more than the Turks do. In an eventual war, we don't really have to kill women and children. That is only the Turkish code of conduct. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zurderer Posted January 3, 2007 Report Share Posted January 3, 2007 heck even the armenian mafia is run by armenian turks... who are these armenian turks? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
irlandahay Posted January 3, 2007 Report Share Posted January 3, 2007 who are these armenian turks? I was being sarcastic genius... you think a 15 year old montrealer is in contact with armenian mob leaders? wow...the extent of turkish logic Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zurderer Posted January 3, 2007 Report Share Posted January 3, 2007 haha. well, I heard some greeks call greeks from turkey as turkoglu. So I just though some armenians do same thing too. I should also add, I think we turks dont create more problem than armenians create for themself. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yervant1 Posted January 3, 2007 Report Share Posted January 3, 2007 well, I heard some greeks call greeks from turkey as turkoglu. But zurdeve calls himself bokoglu. Will you get lost. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ED Posted January 3, 2007 Report Share Posted January 3, 2007 But zurdeve calls himself bokoglu. Will you get lost. Yervant, now you know why we dont ban this idiot, he has surpassed by advancing from 2nd to #1 hyeforum village idiot. Sorry Hagarag Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hellektor Posted January 4, 2007 Report Share Posted January 4, 2007 let me ask you this...would you be able to willfully execute a man,woman or child? would you be able to pull the trigger and put an end to their miserable lives? regardless of what their ancestors have done to us I would never be able to return the favor. in the mean time...happy new year I could never kill any living being; even though I consider them viruses I wouldn't want to be a murderer. I have said a million times: they should pack their tents and get out of my home, back to where they came from. The moment the Turkish thingy slides out of the filthy muzzles of the Zionist/Freemason, money worshipping faggots of this world, we will kick their hairless, Kutugur asses back to the steppes of Central Asia, the phucking hell they come from and the hell they phucking belong! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phantom22 Posted January 4, 2007 Report Share Posted January 4, 2007 Edward, Do you mean that you are going to take my exhaulted position away from me and give it to this Turk? Yervant, now you know why we dont ban this idiot, he has surpassed by advancing from 2nd to #1 hyeforum village idiot. Sorry Hagarag Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zurderer Posted January 4, 2007 Report Share Posted January 4, 2007 haha Edward, I dont realy think you need idiots from Turkey, You already have a lot here.(Including you, If you are a mode.) Hellector be careful, If we decide to turn middle asia, we should past over your tiny village.(I mean ROA.) So think before wish. Yervant, If you are angry, go and swear greeks and no, I will not leave. I am having great fun at here. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Armenak Posted January 4, 2007 Report Share Posted January 4, 2007 The mouth on him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phantom22 Posted January 4, 2007 Report Share Posted January 4, 2007 Hey Zurderer, You Turks took my great-grandfather's vast "Garden of Eden" and turned it into its present state, a wasteland. Now who are the idiots? Do you really think that the Central Asians want you guys as their overlords? Think again! haha Edward, I dont realy think you need idiots from Turkey, You already have a lot here.(Including you, If you are a mode.) Hellector be careful, If we decide to turn middle asia, we should past over your tiny village.(I mean ROA.) So think before wish. Yervant, If you are angry, go and swear greeks and no, I will not leave. I am having great fun at here. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zurderer Posted January 4, 2007 Report Share Posted January 4, 2007 Phantom do you realy think, I want to go central asia? No thanks. I prefer to live at istanbul. I should also add, your "garden of eden" is nothing more than dream. Be serious, If ottomans were so rich, they would not fall. And If armenians were so rich, they would not also fall to greeks, later turks, iranians, russian ext. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phantom22 Posted January 4, 2007 Report Share Posted January 4, 2007 In 1914 it was just that, a "Garden of Eden" feeding hundreds of thousands of Turks, Greeks Jews, Assyrians and Armenians. Today it is a desert, with dust blowing around. A documented reality, not a dream. Phantom do you realy think, I want to go central asia? No thanks. I prefer to live at istanbul. I should also add, your "garden of eden" is nothing more than dream. Be serious, If ottomans were so rich, they would not fall. And If armenians were so rich, they would not also fall to greeks, later turks, iranians, russian ext. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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