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...eh, Anahid

 

Worst part is her name is derived from the greek godess Aphrodite....

 

Hypocritical n'Est ce pas Edouard?

 

Sorry for the caps, Edward....

 

o filos sou

 

tigranis :D

From here:

 

Anahita: Persian Water Goddess

 

Persian name: Anahita, Anahit, Ardvi Sura Anahita, “Immaculate One” (N.B. In addition to native variations by locality or over time, there are often several possible transliterations into the Roman alphabet used for English.)

 

Greek name: Anaitis (N.B. In addition to native variations by locality or over time, there are often several possible transliterations into the Roman alphabet used for English.)

 

basic information:

Anahita: Persian Water Goddess; Fertility Goddess

 

 

... Anahita originated in Babylon and spread to Kemet (ancient Egypt), where She was depicted as an armed and mounted Goddess. The Greeks associated Anahita with either Athena or Aphrodite. In the Middle East, She was associated with Anat. Worship of Anahita spread to Armenia, Persia, and various parts of western Asia. Zoroaster was specifically commanded by his male god to honor Her.

 

 

From here:

 

When Persia conquered Babylonia (in the 6th century BCE), Anahita began to show some similarities with the goddess Ishtar. Since then her cult included also the practice of temple prostitution. During the reign of king Artaxerxes (436-358 BCE) many temples were erected in her honor; in Soesa, Ecbatana, and in Babylon.

 

 

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Anyway, how come you take an Armenian idea and call it Greek/Roman temple but if a Greek idea is taken by Armenians we are the imitators or the lesser "brothers" or something?

 

 

 

 

P.S. Why was the "Armenian Identity" thread deleted? We were having such fun!

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I am always insulted when an armenian in Canada tells me or my wife we HAVE to bring up our kids armenian? What the f***? what about my culture? boo-hoo? we (you are the genociders H.) haven't been genocided so we don't count?

OK guys, this loser is a Turk and it's obvious from all its posts.

Only a Turk will say "genocided" and only a Turk will deny the Pontian Greek Genocide.

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ok ok guys...im new to this forum..im fifteen and in canada...im half irish and half armenian tigranes...yes and im god damn proud of bing both! i may young but am very historically and politically active...so please...im new to forums...so i would really appreciate it if other armenians here didnt rub it in that im young and know nothing

 

...lets not forget that greece is the only countrey in the world who has been with us from the beginning, they are the only countrey besides us

 

...our ancestors have been allied witht he greeks for thousands of years

It's good that you are historically active. You are also very young.

Know that the Byzantines (Greeks) destroyed the Bagratuni dynasty and usurped Kars and Ani.

They were almost on the verge of demise in Cilician times but wouldn't stop their treachery of forcing the only true Christians of the world, the Armenians to "convert" to their Christ-killer devil worship (So did the Latin Romans). They sent a crown to Levon II after they panicked that the German king Friedrich Barbarossa and the Roman Christ-killer Pope had already sent a crown, and begged him to not to wear the Popol's/German king's crown and wear theirs.

 

The Oghuz Turks led by the bandit Alp Arslan "won" the "battle" of Manazkert (Manavazakert) only as a result of the treachery by the Byzantine Emperor Romanus IV Diogenes's commander of rearguard, Andronicus Ducas, who in the middle of battle, retreated to Constantinople to lead a coup against Emperor Romanus who's throne he coveted.

 

It's his statue that those barbarians must have cast in pure gold (by Armenian sculptors of course), not that disgusting, genocidal bandit Mustafa Hammal Cacaturk.

 

Turkey exists, with all its thousand year cancerous consequences thanks to Byzantine treachery...

 

now look tigranes...

It is not Greek, it's a "genocider" Turk.

 

I have a strong feeling it's Deniz the Peniz, I might be wrong though.

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It's good that you are historically active. You are also very young.

Know that the Byzantines (Greeks) destroyed the Bagratuni dynasty and usurped Kars and Ani.

They were almost on the verge of demise in Cilician times but wouldn't stop their treachery of forcing the only true Christians of the world, the Armenians to "convert" to their Christ-killer devil worship (So did the Latin Romans). They sent a crown to Levon II after they panicked that the German king Friedrich Barbarossa and the Roman Christ-killer Pope had already sent a crown, and begged him to not to wear the Popol's/German king's crown and wear theirs.

 

The Oghuz Turks led by the bandit Alp Arslan "won" the "battle" of Manazkert (Manavazakert) only as a result of the treachery by the Byzantine Emperor Romanus IV Diogenes's commander of rearguard, Andronicus Ducas, who in the middle of battle, retreated to Constantinople to lead a coup against Emperor Romanus who's throne he coveted.

 

It's his statue that those barbarians must have cast in pure gold (by Armenian sculptors of course), not that disgusting, genocidal bandit Mustafa Hammal Cacaturk.

 

Turkey exists, with all its thousand year cancerous consequences thanks to Byzantine treachery...

It is not Greek, it's a "genocider" Turk.

 

I have a strong feeling it's Deniz the Peniz, I might be wrong though.

 

ya im sorry...by politically and historically active i should have said...im interrested in ww2...ww1...canadian history and canadian politics...i also go on armenian genocide sites and own a couple dvd's...but im not good with old armenian history...my armenian teacher was an old hag who always glorified armenia (not that theres anything wrong with it) but its just she somehow forgot to mention our defeats

 

and if he really is aturk...well screw him...

 

but ya...thanks man

and i also wanna learn more about armenian history...have any links u can send me?

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ya im sorry...by politically and historically active i should have said...im interrested in ww2...ww1...canadian history and canadian politics...i also go on armenian genocide sites and own a couple dvd's...but im not good with old armenian history...my armenian teacher was an old hag who always glorified armenia (not that theres anything wrong with it) but its just she somehow forgot to mention our defeats

 

and if he really is aturk...well screw him...

 

but ya...thanks man

and i also wanna learn more about armenian history...have any links u can send me?

Don't mention it!

 

Robert Bedrossian's website is a great place to visit. This is the TOC page.

He has translated works by a number of important Armenian historians from 5 th to 15th century and has put it online for free.

 

Here is another source: History of Armenia by Vahan Kurkjian

 

Armenian Highland is also a great source for really ancient Armenian history.

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Wow. I spent quite sometime reading this thread (sick home with flu, auch).... it made me think, I dont know, maybe its a good thing I am so disconnected from the Armenian community, here in Tel Aviv, I feel like the last Armenian on the face of the earth when actually Jerusalem is 30 minutes drive from here. I say its a good thing because I dont have to deal with all the paranoia and xhenophobia and shovinism and whatever "ism" is left out there. That makes me a better Armenian for our cause.

 

I lived in Amsterdam for 2 years, going to the church at least few times a month. One day I was driving by on my bike, saw a refugee family from Armenia.. standing in front of the church door, crying. They had nowhere to go and were about to be deported. They came for help, maybe some food, what does it matter. A family, old grandma, 2 little children, speaking not a word of Dutch, desperate for help. The only place they thought of going was the Armenian church. But the door was locked up for them. Noone opened it until I intervened. I was furious. I think the community leader (i wont mention his name) did agree to help them only because he knew if he wont, I will make sure others will find out about this disgrace.

 

So I cant say what would have happened if this scenario would occure in Moskow or in Los Angeles, or in Rome.. maybe you tell me?

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Wow. I spent quite sometime reading this thread (sick home with flu, auch).... it made me think, I dont know, maybe its a good thing I am so disconnected from the Armenian community, here in Tel Aviv, I feel like the last Armenian on the face of the earth when actually Jerusalem is 30 minutes drive from here. I say its a good thing because I dont have to deal with all the paranoia and xhenophobia and shovinism and whatever "ism" is left out there. That makes me a better Armenian for our cause.

 

I lived in Amsterdam for 2 years, going to the church at least few times a month. One day I was driving by on my bike, saw a refugee family from Armenia.. standing in front of the church door, crying. They had nowhere to go and were about to be deported. They came for help, maybe some food, what does it matter. A family, old grandma, 2 little children, speaking not a word of Dutch, desperate for help. The only place they thought of going was the Armenian church. But the door was locked up for them. Noone opened it until I intervened. I was furious. I think the community leader (i wont mention his name) did agree to help them only because he knew if he wont, I will make sure others will find out about this disgrace.

 

So I cant say what would have happened if this scenario would occure in Moskow or in Los Angeles, or in Rome.. maybe you tell me?

Dear 15levels: Let me tell you something, you have been here since 2001 for a long time, yet you kept yourself detached from the conversations, innuendos and basically being active or very active with the Forum and the Forum members. When you are active; it is usually easy to get caught up with the conversations, talking back, etc. etc. because your thinking and ideas will somewhere sometime clash inevitably. And also when it clashes I have noted that people, all of us or most of us will sometimes get offended and when you react right away, you usually say something you don't mean; nevertheless once you said it it's already out there and you cannot erase it anymore.

 

However when you are keeping yourself detached from the day to day conversations that will or probably will sometimes clash with the other Forum members; then you can go back and analyze with clear mind and criticize others. It's very easy to cryticize others; but believe me when you get caught up in it, it's not that easy to be detached and you won't criticize yourselves as much as you can criticize others easily.

 

What I am trying to say is that people face to face usually talk and sometimes they do say things that they mean and or say things that they don't really mean. In here all that talk is written down, engraved in black and white not to be erased ever. We all make mistakes, yes even you 15levels, don't think you don't and I will not think that I do not. Because little or more than little we are humans and we all make our mistakes and hopefully we learn from them. Like I said, it's easy to criticize others than if it was yours. :)

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Dear 15levels: Let me tell you something, you have been here since 2001 for a long time, yet you kept yourself detached from the conversations, innuendos and basically being active or very active with the Forum and the Forum members. When you are active; it is usually easy to get caught up with the conversations, talking back, etc. etc. because your thinking and ideas will somewhere sometime clash inevitably. And also when it clashes I have noted that people, all of us or most of us will sometimes get offended and when you react right away, you usually say something you don't mean; nevertheless once you said it it's already out there and you cannot erase it anymore.

 

However when you are keeping yourself detached from the day to day conversations that will or probably will sometimes clash with the other Forum members; then you can go back and analyze with clear mind and criticize others. It's very easy to cryticize others; but believe me when you get caught up in it, it's not that easy to be detached and you won't criticize yourselves as much as you can criticize others easily.

 

What I am trying to say is that people face to face usually talk and sometimes they do say things that they mean and or say things that they don't really mean. In here all that talk is written down, engraved in black and white not to be erased ever. We all make mistakes, yes even you 15levels, don't think you don't and I will not think that I do not. Because little or more than little we are humans and we all make our mistakes and hopefully we learn from them. Like I said, it's easy to criticize others than if it was yours. :)

 

 

Hello Everyone,

 

I am new to this site. I Noticed it because I am armenien from Belgium and I collect coins. I wanted to buy a Tigran coin. I noticed that coin of our greatest ruler have greek inscriptions on them because the meshropian alphabet wasn't invented yet so i googled the greek appelation tigranis: and I got this site.

I live in Brussels and work with greeks in shipping etc., as a shipping broker. This grec which is here sounds greek.

I find it disappointing and shameful just like 15level, the treatment we give him. Yes he has procoke us...or maybe he made us face our worst demons: ourselves.

I am new here and fell on the site by accident, but I am very ashamed.

Having studied the classics at the lyceum level here, most europeans with culture would agree with Mr. Tigranis. However, I noticed that he has never said that armenians are turks or that they suck etc....

What is surprising is that, right now, Turkey is being blocked entry in the European Union by the GRECS...we can say all we want about them and they're arrogance but facts speak for themselves:

i find they are more successful in moving their agenda forward, at least from what it seems here in the benelux area...

Its sad to see us attacking an ally...

 

 

I'm sad to see there are armenians that hate people so much and are like this....

 

louis pari :huh:

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Dear Vahe:

 

First off I want to welcome you to the site. This is really a site made up of very intelligent Armenians. Most of them are highly educated here, smart on their feet, talented and do feel very Armenian but with a lot of respect and love towards all mankind.

 

Sometimes you will stumble at some shortcomings; but that will happen with everyone and anyone every now and then. I have said before on this thread too that we don't dislike Greeks at all; just to some peoples' behaviours at times. Most of us we liked Greeks, and personally I happen to have some very nice Greek friends; but if you go back to our 'Pakradouniats sherchan' era; the Greek government did us quite a lot of harm. But we are not going to dwell on it now.

 

I am only going to say that we do like most of them or whomever and from whatever nationality that are basically nice people and are friendly to Armenia and Armenians. Though we all make mistakes every now and then; including you and me. :)

 

Again, welcome aboard.

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Hello Everyone,

 

I am new to this site. I Noticed it because I am armenien from Belgium and I collect coins. I wanted to buy a Tigran coin. I noticed that coin of our greatest ruler have greek inscriptions on them because the meshropian alphabet wasn't invented yet so i googled the greek appelation tigranis: and I got this site.

I live in Brussels and work with greeks in shipping etc., as a shipping broker. This grec which is here sounds greek.

I find it disappointing and shameful just like 15level, the treatment we give him. Yes he has procoke us...or maybe he made us face our worst demons: ourselves.

I am new here and fell on the site by accident, but I am very ashamed.

Having studied the classics at the lyceum level here, most europeans with culture would agree with Mr. Tigranis. However, I noticed that he has never said that armenians are turks or that they suck etc....

What is surprising is that, right now, Turkey is being blocked entry in the European Union by the GRECS...we can say all we want about them and they're arrogance but facts speak for themselves:

i find they are more successful in moving their agenda forward, at least from what it seems here in the benelux area...

Its sad to see us attacking an ally...

 

 

I'm sad to see there are armenians that hate people so much and are like this....

 

louis pari :huh:

 

Thanks Vahe...

 

Good to see that there are good people out there...

 

I don't believe armenians in general are bad....

 

Sorry, if I offended the hyes here....

 

Just wanted to state the situation on Montreal and didn't like the odar comments...

 

p.s I am sorry to see that armenians have been through in are still going through alot

 

i feel sorry for da hyers :msn-cry:

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why was this grec banned?

 

we armeniens belive in freedom of speech right?

 

none of his statements even if i disagree amount to hate literature....

 

I cannot say the same for some of ours....

 

V.

 

 

vahearakelian welcome to Hye forum

 

he is not banned and you cant see his posts becouse most of them are invisable

 

he is under moderators privew for breaking forum code of cunduct by using vulgar and rude languge

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Dear Vahe:

 

First off I want to welcome you to the site. This is really a site made up of very intelligent Armenians. Most of them are highly educated here, smart on their feet, talented and do feel very Armenian but with a lot of respect and love towards all mankind.

 

Sometimes you will stumble at some shortcomings; but that will happen with everyone and anyone every now and then. I have said before on this thread too that we don't dislike Greeks at all; just to some peoples' behaviours at times. Most of us we liked Greeks, and personally I happen to have some very nice Greek friends; but if you go back to our 'Pakradouniats sherchan' era; the Greek government did us quite a lot of harm. But we are not going to dwell on it now.

 

I am only going to say that we do like most of them or whomever and from whatever nationality that are basically nice people and are friendly to Armenia and Armenians. Though we all make mistakes every now and then; including you and me. :)

 

Again, welcome aboard.

 

 

Merci Anahit;

 

I sense you regret some of the statements you made to this grec Tigranis. Maybe we should stop going back to ancient times to find every nation which has wronged us. Maybe it was our fate or destiny, being at the crossroads of great empires-civilisations: Persia, The Achians, Greeks, Arabs, Byzantines, Seldjouks and Ottomans. Néanmoins, i.e nevertheless, c'est l'histoire.

 

I sense you believe you make a mistake with some of the statements that you made...also, they are forever here for as long as this site exists; for a nouveau hye like me to find...

 

Anahit, don't feel so bad, there must be greek message board with simular statements about us...OR...maybe not...I do not believe they are so preoccupied with these issues. The Grecs I know here in Brussels are from Greece originally... maybe those grecs form america are different; c'est possible;

 

And en passant, even if they have a greater culture as this tigranis fellow says, so what! what do we care....

 

we are armenian right? Or maybe they're is some truth in his statements and some truth and yours?

 

What people don't understand about us is that we don't hate anybody, not even Turks! Our Tristesse makes us angry and defensive because we want them to acknowledge what they did to our ancestors...

 

Hayastan!!

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vahearakelian welcome to Hye forum

 

he is not banned and you cant see his posts becouse most of them are invisable

 

he is under moderators privew for breaking forum code of cunduct by using vulgar and rude languge

 

 

merci Edouard

 

I thought you banned him cause his statements were anti-armenian....

Now I see that isn't true....

 

The true reason is vulgarity...right? ;)

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Dear Vahe:

 

I was basically talking in generalities. That every human being makes mistakes. But yes, it would have been better that when indeed he made me angry; that I didn't say anything at all, even though he was quite vulgar with me at some point in time and with another respectable female member in here as well. And plus, yes he was arrogent and etc. But I shouldn't go into it anymore than this because it will be rehashing everything and that won't be healthy. I want to go on forward.

 

And yes abris mer Hayasdane!!! :)

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Dear Vahe:

 

I was basically talking in generalities. That every human being makes mistakes. But yes, it would have been better that when indeed he made me angry; that I didn't say anything at all, even though he was quite vulgar with me at some point in time and with another respectable female member in here as well. And plus, yes he was arrogent and etc. But I shouldn't go into it anymore than this because it will be rehashing everything and that won't be healthy. I want to go on forward.

 

And yes abris mer Hayasdane!!! :)

 

Can someone translte this one for me: my arménien is not that well....

 

 

Ayskan charik teh moranan mer vortik togh voghch ashxarh garta Hayoun naxadink.

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Can someone translte this one for me: my arménien is not that well....

Ayskan charik teh moranan mer vortik togh voghch ashxarh garta Hayoun naxadink.

Basically it means that if our children forget this much malice then let the whole world condemn us.

 

You see Vahe; this very intelligent and high minded Armenian loving writer, poet, orator and leader wrote this statement after Armenians were annihilated by the Turks in 1915.

 

I happen to love his writings, his poetry and him for his great and devoted love of his country, pour mon cher l'Armenie!!!

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Basically it means that if our children forget this much malice then let the whole world condemn us.

 

You see Vahe; this very intelligent and high minded Armenian loving writer, poet, orator and leader wrote this statement after Armenians were annihilated by the Turks in 1915.

 

I happen to love his writings, his poetry and him for his great and devoted love of his country, pour mon cher l'Armenie!!!

 

Yes, he will always be a great person, an ideal thta very hye should strive for. I have consulted this whole thread and I also went to other thread afterwards where this controversial character Tigranis wrote: where does all this Turk calling , grec-destroying fit into this ideal?

 

We must remembe that we do have allies regardeless of what hellector and gamavor and other xenophobes say... that's why I think you aren't like these two....

 

We must be conscious of the image we give of to the world because people are watching...

 

no one helps a racist....

 

what whould Mr. Avedis Arohanian say, What would he think of the statement made about greeks on this site?

 

HE would be very discouraged...

 

I personally believe that what hurts with Mr. tigranis statements is that he doesn't feel for our every armenien soul counts philosophy. This is his right. He can and probablly will bring up his child grec and we shouldn't hate him for it.

 

The funny part is my fellow arméniens:

 

On the Tigran coin that I want to buy: it is written in greek TIGRANIS BASILEUS.... why in greek? Being a student of history, I sometimes envy the greeks. Obejectively, thier history is abit more know and glorified by the the Ouest. This doesn't make us any lesser good. It is Just, because I live in europe and in Brussels head of The EU, and i am an afficianato of history and a collector, I can understand why he is so arrogant. the french, the english the italians the german are all the same. Other eu memebrs are humble. Like us the Belgians. I don't blame Tigran. I think coming from a multilingual multicultural state like Belgium that peu importe or whatever Tigran says he's child Stavros shall be half armenian... and this he can't do anything about...Will he feel proud of it ? This is up to us to show people who we are....

I met a greek named stavros once in nîmes.... he told me his name means cross...ironic isn't it?

 

 

P.S: I really love Charles Asnavour: I am looking for song of his in Armenia; I love french armeniéns because we are strong there?

 

Anybody know any arménien songs from Charles? :D

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Yes, he will always be a great person, an ideal thta very hye should strive for. I have consulted this whole thread and I also went to other thread afterwards where this controversial character Tigranis wrote: where does all this Turk calling , grec-destroying fit into this ideal?

 

We must remembe that we do have allies regardeless of what hellector and gamavor and other xenophobes say... that's why I think you aren't like these two....

 

We must be conscious of the image we give of to the world because people are watching...

 

no one helps a racist....

 

what whould Mr. Avedis Arohanian say, What would he think of the statement made about greeks on this site?

 

HE would be very discouraged...

 

I personally believe that what hurts with Mr. tigranis statements is that he doesn't feel for our every armenien soul counts philosophy. This is his right. He can and probablly will bring up his child grec and we shouldn't hate him for it.

 

The funny part is my fellow arméniens:

 

On the Tigran coin that I want to buy: it is written in greek TIGRANIS BASILEUS.... why in greek? Being a student of history, I sometimes envy the greeks. Obejectively, thier history is abit more know and glorified by the the Ouest. This doesn't make us any lesser good. It is Just, because I live in europe and in Brussels head of The EU, and i am an afficianato of history and a collector, I can understand why he is so arrogant. the french, the english the italians the german are all the same. Other eu memebrs are humble. Like us the Belgians. I don't blame Tigran. I think coming from a multilingual multicultural state like Belgium that peu importe or whatever Tigran says he's child Stavros shall be half armenian... and this he can't do anything about...Will he feel proud of it ? This is up to us to show people who we are....

I met a greek named stavros once in nîmes.... he told me his name means cross...ironic isn't it?

P.S: I really love Charles Asnavour: I am looking for song of his in Armenia; I love french armeniéns because we are strong there?

 

Anybody know any arménien songs from Charles? :D

songs in arménien sorry...

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This is up to us to show people who we are....

 

Yes Vahe, I suppose it is true, it is up to us to show the world as who we are.

 

When I first stumbled into this Forum and have joined it about 10 months ago, it was first Arpa and I believe also Mosjan the administrator of this Forum who told me that the best way of making ourselves be known by the world is through our culture. I now fully believe in it.

 

P.S: I really love Charles Asnavour: I am looking for song of his in Armenia; I love french armeniéns because we are strong there?

 

Anybody know any arménien songs from Charles? :D

I happen to love Charles Aznavour also. I love his songs and mostly I love his love of Armenia and Armenians. He is and always has been a devoted and also a good political Armenian figure.

 

Sorry I have his CDs but I don't have his songs en armenien.

 

Maybe someone else here can help you. :)

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Yes Vahe, I suppose it is true, it is up to us to show the world as who we are.

 

When I first stumbled into this Forum and have joined it about 10 months ago, it was first Arpa and I believe also Mosjan the administrator of this Forum who told me that the best way of making ourselves be known by the world is through our culture. I now fully believe in it.

I happen to love Charles Aznavour also. I love his songs and mostly I love his love of Armenia and Armenians. He is and always has been a devoted and also a good political Armenian figure.

 

Sorry I have his CDs but I don't have his songs en armenien.

 

Maybe someone else here can help you. :)

 

I Think Aznavour is the best armenian icon; he fights for our cause...

 

ONE armenian song...just one I want... where he sing in ARMENIAN in the meshropian language, in our great

language...not his french song about armenia....

 

that doesn't cut it....

 

SOMEONE help me please....

 

V.

 

HE must have at least one song; its impossible...

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I Think Aznavour is the best armenian icon; he fights for our cause...

 

ONE armenian song...just one I want... where he sing in ARMENIAN in the meshropian language, in our great

language...not his french song about armenia....

 

that doesn't cut it....

 

SOMEONE help me please....

 

V.

 

HE must have at least one song; its impossible...

 

I'll help Vahe, you sound cool...

 

I'll help look :P :P :P :P :P :P :P :P :P :P

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I'll help Vahe, you sound cool...

 

I'll help look :P :P :P :P :P :P :P :P :P :P

oh thats it!

you know...i live in montreal tigranes...i grew up in the armenian community...i tried to defend you and look in your point of view...but damn it! you wont shut up!

its like you want all of us to hate you! look at my previous posts and youl see iv always tried to find a good side..but shut up!

he wanted an answer...not ur stupid jokes...your not funny and if all your trying to do is joke then honestly you shouldnt be here!

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