Uproar About Danish Cartoons

[Takoush]

thus you are just as violent and revengeful.

 

if someone slaps you, forgive them.

Seb jan; you are preaching Christianity; yet he is thinking on the lines of Moses, as he said "tooth for tooth and eye for eye".

[Sip]

if someone slaps you, forgive them.

 

Why? Because the vengeful God will not forgive them and they will go to Hell. In other words, try to be better than God.

[Sasun]

Why? Because the vengeful God will not forgive them and they will go to Hell. In other words, try to be better than God.

No.

[Azat]

thus you are just as violent and revengeful.

 

if someone slaps you, forgive them.

 

sran en asum bozi dsever

[aSoldier]

Why? Because the vengeful God will not forgive them and they will go to Hell. In other words, try to be better than God.

 

lol u actually think like that?

[Anoushik]

The essense of the issue is some people do not understand the difference between freedom of speech and irresponsible acts...

Very well said, Sasun. It always amazes me the justification some people give to act/do anything because the law says that they can do it.

[Stormig]

Terrorist Jew... First on my mind is Operation: Swordfish. And I didn't care to notice any others. And the non-expatriate Muslim riots have nothing to do with the way Muslims have been depicted in the West for decades - they are not aware and in fact they were not aware of the cartoons from so many months earlier until the head Muslim busibodies in Europe started their rounds... OK, lodging grievances is fine, but taking the actions that they did, pending such consequences, lies within their responsibility - they should have kept all this at home. I mean, come on - what do Yemenis know about how others view them? Do they like Looney Tunes?

 

Asking why one newspaper or cartoon series doesn't perpetrate the counterpart of what they already have and whether this is because of discrimination or ulterior motives doesn't take anyone anywhere. The issue is not about who does what, but what is condoned, accommodated, and what is not. If, in contrast with defending freedom of speech in the case of the Mogamboman cartoons, there had been actions against depictions of Jesus within that country, then yes, that should have raised questions. Otherwise, who cares about some stinky Danish newspaper and what their modus operandi is? That's their bad, shake fingers at them.

 

The best would be to provide ideas to those who are open to them. Want cartoons with Bible-toters in them? Seek out and contact whoever need be. In this day of the internet, it doesn't matter as much as it used to just what circulation rate a newspaper has. I on my part think that cartoons with all the prophets in them would be great, as I've mentioned before. If only I knew how to draw so well, or knew who to sell my idea to.

 

There is a lot that Muslims have to get used to and to catch up with - a LOT. It just so happens that, as in the case of the Turkish government with Armenian genocide recognition issues, more often than not with their stupid reactions they will fall victim to their own purpose.

 

 

Vava same newspaper rejected cartoons about Jesus Christ, and this same newspaper has a long history of anti-emigrant vews.

 

It' stupid to burn embassies in protest as much as its stupid to print those cartoons, knowingly that would offend muslems.

 

this is not just about cartoons, this is an accumiliation of dacates of negative portrail in western media of savage arabs and muslems.

 

name a move in hallywood where they potray a bad rabbi, terorist jew and so on

yet even in bugs banny cartoons you see a savage arab,

what would it take for one to see that this unger is a frastration of most muslems around the world, is not just about cartoons??,

it was just a little feul on top of growing valceno, plus the idiot presidents war on iraq

 

ask bush he would love to drop few dosen nukes on them and get it over with

after all armagedon is comming acording to those idiots

I'm fed up with the way this courty is headed!

[gamavor]

I just bought two extra boxes of my favorite Danish cookies! They are great! That way I made my small contribution to Danish goods which need our support.

 

 

PS: Danish cookies go very well with Armenian cognac! Cheers!

[Arpa]

I just bought two extra boxes of my favorite Danish cookies! They are great! That way I made my small contribution to Danish goods which need our support.

PS: Danish cookies go very well with Armenian cognac! Cheers!

Cheers to you too!

The irony of it all is that all the flag burning, attacks on embassies and destroying western businesses are done in so called allies of the US and, by association allies of the west, Europe, Syria(?), Afghanistan, Indonesia and, of course our staunchest ally Pakistan. Oddly enough, we have not seen such violence in that “terrorist Islamic pariah” Iran.

I have said this before, and I will repeat. Those cartoons are nothing short of "self fulfilling prophecy". Just like one must not call a mentally challenged person "crazy" you cannot call a real terrorist a terrorist, you cannot call a religion based on the sword trigger happy.

According to articles in Newsweek and Time Israel has it down pat to a science as to how to take out suspected Iranian nuclear facilities. Do they also know the “science” of how many crazed Iranian kamikazes it takes to sink Israel into the Mediterranean??

And, as always Mr. Fareed Zakaria gives the "secular Islamic Turkey" a boost in his usual gobbledi gook.

Her is that quote;

Above all, the forces of moderation thrive in an atmosphere of success. Two Muslim societies in which there is little extremism are Turkey and Malaysia. Both are open politically and thriving economically. Compare Pakistan today-growing at 8 percent a year-with General Zia's country, and you can see why, for all the noise, fundamentalism there is waning. If you are comfortable with the modern world, you are less likely to want to blow it up

http://www.fareedzakaria.com/articles/newsweek/021306.html

Edited February 15, 2006 by Arpa

[MosJan]

DERVISHES’ DANCE ON THE CHRIST’S IMAGE

 

Turkish Advertisement with Religious-Political Implication

The shots from the Turkish video clip have been “walking” by the World Network three days and have already been titled “Dervishes’ Dance on the Christ’s Image”. According to the Yerkramas newspaper of the Russian Armenians, in St. Petersburg the Armenian activists are going to institute legal proceedings against a Turkish agency circulating cadres, which are offensive for Christians: the Christian cultural monuments on the territory of modern Turkey are presented as cities that have sunk, where only mermaids swim, while the image of Jesus Christ has turned into a dance hall.

Such provocative video clips can hardly be considered just a commercial subterfuge. Too little time has elapsed since a scandal caused by Danish caricatures depicting the Prophet Muhammad, so one is inclined to believe in obvious premeditation of the step undertaken by Turks to artificially foment interreligious passions. Turkey, which is doing its best to position itself as a secular state that observes ethnical minorities’ rights, evidently cannot be considered a civilized country, for even commercial interests are unable to conceal political and expansionist ones. The Christian cultural monuments, on which the heirs of nomads perform ritual dances, testify to the fact that the very nomads that have arrogated to themselves the invaluable monuments of the world history pretending to be the region’s autochthon population are unworthy of such legacy and can just spoil and destroy it. It is quite symbolic that Armenians have been the first to make those who committed sacrilege responsible via litigation – without mentioning other factors, the wound and pain of the deprivation of thousands of the Jugha khachkars destroyed by Turkish vandals is still with us. And yet, if political interests hampered the Christian world’s consolidation in the issue referring to khachkars, perhaps, this time the blasphemous cadres will make Christians rebuff the provocateurs stirring up interreligious rows and setting the representatives of various confessions against each other?

Marina GRIGORYAN

“Golos Armenii” (The Voice of Armenia) 01.06.06

[MadArmo]

It's about time someone took action...

 

 

Let's wish for other chirstians or nations do the same. Eradicate Muslim fanatics !

 

 

 

[Zartonk]

Christian of the world, unite! Let's hit the streets and burn some s***! <_<

 

As far I'm concerned, this article says two things:

 

1- Turkey's most internationally reverend symbols of godliness and mystic spirituality have just demonstrated the validity of "Islamic secularism".

 

2-To be fair to Muslims, religious zeal is still stupid.

 

Thank Mos.

[nairi]

Its damn art, why anyone should feel sorry because an art piece offend someone?

 

Because it's not about offending. It's about exposing some truth, or showing an alternative way of life, that has the potential of provoking mass revolution. Arguably, this is why dictatorships censor or ban any art that does not conform to their propaganda. At least that's one way of looking at it.

[Anileve]

This isn't exactly on the subject, but the other day I was in the Gap fitting room and I saw an uber religious woman, completely and totally covered up, all in black with only her eyes exposed; she came out of the fitting room with a bunch of capri's.

 

I guess at the time I didn't have any other interesting thoughts of my own so I began questioning if she was leading a double life (based on depravation and a secret longing to be westernized) or she was buying shortpants for her home attire.

 

By the way, it's interesting that Islam categorically forbids to analyze or question the Koran or the characters in the book. I started asking my coworker (who is not as religious) if it never bothered her that women are always treated with such disrespect in Islam and the things I've read in the Koran that seriously bothered me about Muhammad, without any exaggeration, she covered her ears and begged me not to continue, because she was afraid to end up in hell. She said that thinking those thoughts are inconceivable even if they make sense, and if she even as much as gets a speckle of speculation she needs to pray continuously, until the thought disappears.

 

 

[Anileve]

By the way, I know this is pretty gross but I have to share, perhaps many of you already know this. I think it will enrage the women on Hye more so.

 

Both in Judaism and Islam, a woman who is going through her "monthly cycle" is not allowed to sit at the same table with others nor is she allowed to eat from the same china set as everyone else, she is not allowed to sleep next to her husband (hence special stores for orthodox Jews and Muslims), nor is she allowed to ride next to her husband in the car. When I saw this I was very surprised and I asked two people from both religions and they explained. I have to say that my jaw wouldn't close.

 

So imagine you are having a huge dinner with relatives and family, you look over and see one of the wives sitting at a completely different table eating alone, and you automatically know why. That's so incredibly embarrassing and almost barbaric.

 

Oh and during that time a woman is not allowed to touch the Koran or the Torah, and do you know why she is subjected to all of the above? Because she is considered to be dirty.... Sorry if I ruined anyone's breakfast or lunch.

 

 

[Zartonk]

One's own human blood is considered impure and unholy. Go figure.

[Anileve]

One's own human blood is considered impure and unholy. Go figure.

Are you commenting on my post or are you stating that they consider their own blood impure as well?

 

I don't know about human blood, maybe woman's...I think that anything dealing with a woman's sexuality or her body is considered to be sinful. Even if it means that a woman's body is the reason why the little trolls are popping their fanatical heads out into this world and smearing women through religion.

 

I have to find out if anything about men is considered to be "dirty"or sinful and how many restrictions are placed on them? They don't even have to shave, hair is considered to be an asset. Women have to pluck and wax and shave their heads. Seriously, a woman has to take care of her body so she doesn't have any of the natural hair.

 

 

 

[Arpa]

You will not believe this, neither did I until a priest told me.

The reason women are not allowed on the altar and are dismissed out of hand for "priesthood" is... you guessed it... they are (bloody) "unclean".

And... this is the Christian (?) Armenian church of the 21st century.

Hi Sip.

If we only knew the reasons behind some of the canons!!! Not to mention that cruel practice of infant baptism, i.e. original sin.

Edited May 14, 2007 by Arpa

[nairi]

By the way, I know this is pretty gross but I have to share, perhaps many of you already know this. I think it will enrage the women on Hye more so.

 

Both in Judaism and Islam, a woman who is going through her "monthly cycle" is not allowed to sit at the same table with others nor is she allowed to eat from the same china set as everyone else, she is not allowed to sleep next to her husband (hence special stores for orthodox Jews and Muslims), nor is she allowed to ride next to her husband in the car. When I saw this I was very surprised and I asked two people from both religions and they explained. I have to say that my jaw wouldn't close.

 

So imagine you are having a huge dinner with relatives and family, you look over and see one of the wives sitting at a completely different table eating alone, and you automatically know why. That's so incredibly embarrassing and almost barbaric.

 

Oh and during that time a woman is not allowed to touch the Koran or the Torah, and do you know why she is subjected to all of the above? Because she is considered to be dirty.... Sorry if I ruined anyone's breakfast or lunch.

 

The notion of menstruation, or a woman menstruating, representing impurity or dirt is probably as old as mankind itself. It's also common in Christianity. In the Armenian Church, for instance, you are not allowed to be baptized if you are menstruating, since you are considered to be "keghtot." Socio-linguistics can be pretty revealing here too, if we consider all the euphemisms that have been created for menstruation, including the Armenian one: "hivand linel" (lit. being ill). In Dutch, it's "ongesteld" (lit. unbalanced).

 

Interestingly, perhaps, the Sumerians believed that a foetus drank the mother's period blood, hence the reason why she stopped bleeding during pregnancy.

[nairi]

I have to find out if anything about men is considered to be "dirty"or sinful and how many restrictions are placed on them?

 

Masturbation is considered a sin in many religions, and we know how much men need that. In some religions, a bit of their penis is even cut off against their will. I would argue that the restrictions on men and women are very similar, with only one difference: it's the men who make the decisions (even if these are as torturous for them as it is for women), not the women.

 

Which reminds me, speaking of burqas and male desires..

 

http://hyeforum.com/index.php?s=&showt...ost&p=56134

[Zartonk]

Are you commenting on my post or are you stating that they consider their own blood impure as well?

 

I don't know about human blood, maybe woman's...I think that anything dealing with a woman's sexuality or her body is considered to be sinful. Even if it means that a woman's body is the reason why the little trolls are popping their fanatical heads out into this world and smearing women through religion.

 

I have to find out if anything about men is considered to be "dirty"or sinful and how many restrictions are placed on them? They don't even have to shave, hair is considered to be an asset. Women have to pluck and wax and shave their heads. Seriously, a woman has to take care of her body so she doesn't have any of the natural hair.

 

Well, both. Any kind of bleeding is in fact impure in Islam, as they consider all things that come out of the body sinister. For example, the reason they shave the hair on the upper lip is to prevent its impurity from enter the very body that it originates from, via the mouth. On the other hand, masturbation are almost universally condemned. Certain Christian rhetoricians considered it a higher sin than rape. It just shows how unnatural and unhealthy religious thought can become.

 

 

[nairi]

Well, both. Any kind of bleeding is in fact impure in Islam, as they consider all things that come out of the body sinister.

 

If this is true, then why do they breed like rabbits? Isn't sperm sinister? Or female "love-juices"? Or worse, a combination of the two, entering each other's bodies, through the very same holes they came out of?

[nairi]

Socio-linguistics can be pretty revealing here too, if we consider all the euphemisms that have been created for menstruation, including the Armenian one: "hivand linel" (lit. being ill). In Dutch, it's "ongesteld" (lit. unbalanced).

 

Off-the-cuff, I would argue that these are female, rather than male, inventions. Many women do feel "ill" right before or at the start of their period. Belly cramps, bloated feeling, headache, sleepiness, hunger, irritability. On the other hand, it's also fair to argue that regular (as opposed to irregular) menstruation should in fact be seen as a sign of health, rather than illness, since only healthy women menstruate regularly.

[Zartonk]

If this is true, then why do they breed like rabbits? Isn't sperm sinister? Or female "love-juices"? Or worse, a combination of the two, entering each other's bodies, through the very same holes they came out of?

 

The penis is mightier than the soul.

 

When the man has sexual urges, it then becomes the will of Allah/Jehovah/God/Him, and the slight 'impurity' of the 'love-juice' is overlooked. Sexual hypocrisy, if you will.

 

 

[Arpa]

Masturbation is considered a sin in many religions, and we know how much men need that. In some religions, a bit of their penis is even cut off against their will. I would argue that the restrictions on men and women are very similar, with only one difference: it's the men who make the decisions (even if these are as torturous for them as it is for women), not the women.

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In "civilized" (Christian) circles that is known as “onanism”.

Gen.38

[4] And she conceived again, and bare a son; and she called his name Onan.

[8] And Judah said unto Onan, Go in unto thy brother's wife, and marry her, and raise up seed to thy brother.

[9] And Onan knew that the seed should not be his; and it came to pass, when he went in unto his brother's wife, that he spilled it on the ground, lest that he should give seed to his brother.

Which is the exclusive property of monks and other monastics (I won’t name names)..

One does wish that our monks would adhere to the practice, and stop mingling in society where there may be members of the opposite gender, an easy prey to their heavenly divine sainthoods..