Uproar About Danish Cartoons

[Arpa]

Off-the-cuff, I would argue that these are female, rather than male, inventions. Many women do feel "ill" right before or at the start of their period. Belly cramps, bloated feeling, headache, sleepiness, hunger, irritability. On the other hand, it's also fair to argue that regular (as opposed to irregular) menstruation should in fact be seen as a sign of health, rather than illness, since only healthy women menstruate regularly.

Only a mother and FATHER would know what good news it is that their daughter is "healthy".

Spwaking of which. Coming back to that "altar" ban. One wonders if those (married) priests view their mothers, wives, sisters and daughters as "unclean"?

How does one define hipocrisy?

Edited May 14, 2007 by Arpa

[Armenak]

Masturbation is considered a sin in many religions, and we know how much men need that. In some religions, a bit of their penis is even cut off against their will. I would argue that the restrictions on men and women are very similar, with only one difference: it's the men who make the decisions (even if these are as torturous for them as it is for women), not the women.

"Cornflake Girl" by Tori Amos

 

Never was a cornflake girl

Thought that was a good solution

Hanging with the raisin girls

She's gone to the other side

Givin us a yo heave ho

Things are getting kind of gross

And I go at sleepy time

This is not really happening

You bet your life it is

 

Peel out the watchword

Just peel out the watchword

 

She knows what's goin on

Seems we got a cheaper feel now

All the sweet days are gone

Gone to the other side

With my encyclopedia

They musta paid her a nice price

She's putting on her string bean love

This is not really happening

You bet your life it is

 

Peal our the watchword

Just peel out the watchword

Edited May 14, 2007 by Armenak

[nairi]

"Cornflake Girl" by Tori Amos

 

I don't see the connection.

[Harut]

The notion of menstruation, or a woman menstruating, representing impurity or dirt is probably as old as mankind itself. It's also common in Christianity. In the Armenian Church, for instance, you are not allowed to be baptized if you are menstruating, since you are considered to be "keghtot."

 

i'm just speculating here, but the origins of this practice (or the lack thereof at certain times) and the terminology for it can very well have practical connotation than spiritual/religious/discriminatory... i mean, which priest wants to have his holly water get bloody during the service... so they had to come up with an excuse to discourage it... just like whole bunch of other discouragements that exist (spilling the salt, breaking the mirror, etc...)

Edited May 14, 2007 by Harut

[Harut]

i'm just speculating here, but the origins of this practice (or the lack thereof at certain times) and the terminology for it can very well have practical connotation than spiritual/religious/discriminatory... i mean, which priest wants to have his holly water get bloody during the service... so they had to come up with an excuse to discourage it... just like whole bunch of other discouragements that exist (spilling the salt, breaking the mirror, etc...)

 

i could see a pissed off priest yelling at young girls after having to replace the water for the 5th time...

[with british accent for the heck of it]"you little dirty bloody bitches... go home and don't come back until you are clean... god does not want your dirty asses to be in his holly house, you f'en little bleeding freaks of nature...[/accent]

[nairi]

i'm just speculating here, but the origins of this practice (or the lack thereof at certain times) and the terminology for it can very well have practical connotation than spiritual/religious/discriminatory... i mean, which priest wants to have his holly water get bloody during the service... so they had to come up with an excuse to discourage it... just like whole bunch of other discouragements that exist (spilling the salt, breaking the mirror, etc...)

 

I have two objections. Firstly, the fact that a menstruating woman is considered "impure" or "dirty" (going back to the days of Adam and seductive Eve). Secondly, the fact that the Armenian Church, as far as I know, no longer bathes its to-be-baptized subjects. There is thus no reason (except perhaps something in the holy scriptures that I'm sure Arpa can dig up) to continue using the word "dirty" and disallowing menstruating women from getting baptized, among other churchly activities.

[Arpa]

I have two objections. Firstly, the fact that a menstruating woman is considered "impure" or "dirty" (going back to the days of Adam and seductive Eve). Secondly, the fact that the Armenian Church, as far as I know, no longer bathes its to-be-baptized subjects. There is thus no reason (except perhaps something in the holy scriptures that I'm sure Arpa can dig up) to continue using the word "dirty" and disallowing menstruating women from getting baptized, among other churchly activities.

The following is listed as a miracle.

To me it seems like it is an allegory, i.e a woman in blood touching another (male) person, a taboo that should have come to an end in Christian doctrine.

 

Gospel of Mark Ch. 5

25] And a certain woman, which had an issue of blood twelve years,

[26] And had suffered many things of many physicians, and had spent all that she had, and was nothing bettered, but rather grew worse,

[27] When she had heard of Jesus, came in the press behind, and touched his garment.

[28] For she said, If I may touch but his clothes, I shall be whole.

[29] And straightway the fountain of her blood was dried up; and she felt in her body that she was healed of that plague.

[30] And Jesus, immediately knowing in himself that virtue had gone out of him, turned him about in the press, and said, Who touched my clothes?

[31] And his disciples said unto him, Thou seest the multitude thronging thee, and sayest thou, Who touched me?

[32] And he looked round about to see her that had done this thing.

[33] But the woman fearing and trembling, knowing what was done in her, came and fell down before him, and told him all the truth.

[34] And he said unto her, Daughter, thy faith hath made thee whole; go in peace, and be whole of thy plague..

[Anileve]

i mean, which priest wants to have his holly water get bloody during the service... so they had to come up with an excuse to discourage it...

 

I'm sorry, but how exactly is "the service" conducted for a woman on her period to make the holy water bloody? I can't understand the statement unless I think of obscene images....

[Anileve]

i could see a pissed off priest yelling at young girls after having to replace the water for the 5th time...

[with british accent for the heck of it]"you little dirty bloody bitches... go home and don't come back until you are clean... god does not want your dirty asses to be in his holly house, you f'en little bleeding freaks of nature...[/accent]

You know what, don't answer my previous question.

[Anileve]

Masturbation is considered a sin in many religions, and we know how much men need that. In some religions, a bit of their penis is even cut off against their will. I would argue that the restrictions on men and women are very similar, with only one difference: it's the men who make the decisions (even if these are as torturous for them as it is for women), not the women.

 

Which reminds me, speaking of burqas and male desires..

 

http://hyeforum.com/index.php?s=&showt...ost&p=56134

 

But you are forgetting that it's allowed for men to go to prostitutes if they have those special needs. It's a forgivable sin.

 

You know that story about Maria the Copt and Muhammad? She was a European gift to Muha from the Byzantine king. Some gave rugs as presents and some gave women, same difference I guess.... Well Muha had a dozen wives at the time but after seeing the fair skin and fair hair maiden she quickly became his favorite and he visited her more often than other women. His other wives became jealous (because he is just a gem of a husband to begin with) and hated the Christian slave. So one day when the main wife went shopping Muha and Maria did the dirty in her quarters, she came back early and saw them having fun. She became so angry and cried and other wives were furious.

 

So Muha felt so guilty and bad that he retired into some quarters and sat there so upset with himself that he made his wives angry. But to his rescue came Allah, and he said to him not to feel bad, it is the women's fault. They should mind their own business and not talk trash about Maria, it's them who have the serpent’s tongue..... So he felt better right away, because Allah was on his side (as if it was ever a question that God appears to men when it's most convenient) and went out to tell his wife that because of THEIR behavior he will punish them to teach them a lesson by having more fun with Maria.

 

I mean, isn't it great, he cheated, he womanized and it's the women's fault because they were not acceptant of his holiness. Tsk tsk, those evil women. If this isn't a modern story of men that commit adultery. The bible laid the groundwork for the men of today, no wonder so many religious men don't want to abandon those marginal traditions.

 

[Anileve]

The penis is mightier than the soul.

 

When the man has sexual urges, it then becomes the will of Allah/Jehovah/God/Him, and the slight 'impurity' of the 'love-juice' is overlooked. Sexual hypocrisy, if you will.

Percisely since he has natural urges, understood by God, it is the women who must cover themselves up not to arouse, it's the men who must control themselves. In Islam a woman is also not allowed to speak to the men in the room, because a woman's voice is really seductive and that may arouse as well making men do things that are forgivable by God.

 

"It is likely that Judah perceived Tamar as one of the sacred prostitutes. The Hebrew words for a sacred prostitute (kedeshah, sacred woman) and a normal prostitute (zonah) are both used in this story. In Israel,prostitutes were required to cover their faces at all times."

 

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tamar_%28Bible%29

 

Tamar was sentenced to being stoned to death until they discovered that Judah was the one that got her pregnant then she was forgiven.

[Arpa]

Percisely since he has natural urges, understood by God, it is the women who must cover themselves up not to arouse, it's the men who must control themselves. In Islam a woman is also not allowed to speak to the men in the room, because a woman's voice is really seductive and that may arouse as well making men do things that are forgivable by God.

 

"It is likely that Judah perceived Tamar as one of the sacred prostitutes. The Hebrew words for a sacred prostitute (kedeshah, sacred woman) and a normal prostitute (zonah) are both used in this story. In Israel,prostitutes were required to cover their faces at all times."

 

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tamar_%28Bible%29

 

Tamar was sentenced to being stoned to death until they discovered that Judah was the one that got her pregnant then she was forgiven.

Atta girl Anileve. How about you be Queen of Armenia?

Why is it that those Judaic whores, the likes of Tamar and Lilith have come to be such "revered" names in our cuture?

[Zartonk]

Percisely since he has natural urges, understood by God, it is the women who must cover themselves up not to arouse, it's the men who must control themselves. In Islam a woman is also not allowed to speak to the men in the room, because a woman's voice is really seductive and that may arouse as well making men do things that are forgivable by God.

 

"It is likely that Judah perceived Tamar as one of the sacred prostitutes. The Hebrew words for a sacred prostitute (kedeshah, sacred woman) and a normal prostitute (zonah) are both used in this story. In Israel,prostitutes were required to cover their faces at all times."

 

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tamar_%28Bible%29

 

Tamar was sentenced to being stoned to death until they discovered that Judah was the one that got her pregnant then she was forgiven.

 

This is the very reason that women are to veil their hair. The "shine" of the hair fabric is described as the strongest stimulant, next to voice, face, hands, feet, skin, body, etc. I don't know the specific sura, but I know it exists. It is basically sexual piety by maintaining an extremely perverse mentality at all times. Cover up, so you wont arouse and I wont have to think of it.

 

It is also interesting that you mentioned kedeshah. The Semitic ideal of the sacred goes right along with sexuality.

[Anoushik]

The following is listed as a miracle.

To me it seems like it is an allegory, i.e a woman in blood touching another (male) person, a taboo that should have come to an end in Christian doctrine.

 

Gospel of Mark Ch. 5

25] And a certain woman, which had an issue of blood twelve years,

[26] And had suffered many things of many physicians, and had spent all that she had, and was nothing bettered, but rather grew worse,

[27] When she had heard of Jesus, came in the press behind, and touched his garment.

[28] For she said, If I may touch but his clothes, I shall be whole.

[29] And straightway the fountain of her blood was dried up; and she felt in her body that she was healed of that plague.

[30] And Jesus, immediately knowing in himself that virtue had gone out of him, turned him about in the press, and said, Who touched my clothes?

[31] And his disciples said unto him, Thou seest the multitude thronging thee, and sayest thou, Who touched me?

[32] And he looked round about to see her that had done this thing.

[33] But the woman fearing and trembling, knowing what was done in her, came and fell down before him, and told him all the truth.

[34] And he said unto her, Daughter, thy faith hath made thee whole; go in peace, and be whole of thy plague..

This is exactly why I consider the Christian religion to be a humanistic and very revolutionary religion, considering the times it was formed.

 

[hosank]

because a woman's voice is really seductive

 

wait till you hear my aunt's voice, trust me...you will not feel seduced...

 

This is exactly why I consider the Christian religion to be a humanistic and very revolutionary religion, considering the times it was formed.

 

i totally agree. people keep attacking christianity saying it is old, outdated, and male oriented. but the reality is that christianity is the most 'avanguarde' religion, without throwing away all sense of morality.

then of course those same people who think christianity is to strict, or stupid, go to islam thinking:

"oh it's a modern, and exotic religion"

[irlandahay]

wait till you hear my aunt's voice, trust me...you will not feel seduced...

 

 

HAHA Maryse... we used to drive that woman insane!

[nairi]

The following is listed as a miracle.

To me it seems like it is an allegory, i.e a woman in blood touching another (male) person, a taboo that should have come to an end in Christian doctrine.

 

Gospel of Mark Ch. 5

....

 

Thank you.

[nairi]

But you are forgetting that it's allowed for men to go to prostitutes if they have those special needs. It's a forgivable sin.

 

I didn't know that.

 

I mean, isn't it great, he cheated, he womanized and it's the women's fault because they were not acceptant of his holiness. Tsk tsk, those evil women. If this isn't a modern story of men that commit adultery.

 

The irony of it is, that despite the man's oppression, women have never stopped committing adultery.

[MosJan]

CAIRO, Egypt (AP) -- The leader of al Qaeda in Iraq offered money for the murder of a Swedish cartoonist who recently produced images deemed insulting to Islam, according to a statement carried by Islamist Web sites Saturday.

 

In the half hour audio file entitled "They plotted yet God too was plotting," Abu Omar al-Baghdadi also promised a new offensive in Iraq during the Muslim holy month of Ramadan.

 

On August 19, the Swedish newspaper Nerikes Allehanda published a cartoon by Lars Vilks that depicted the Prophet Mohammed with a dog's body.

 

Muslims in Sweden rallied outside the newspaper's offices to demand an apology, and the governments of Iran and Pakistan lodged formal protests with Sweden, but other than that the reaction to the cartoon was muted.

 

That response is in contrast to last year's fiery protests that erupted in several Muslim countries after a Danish newspaper published 12 cartoons of Mohammed.

 

Islamic law is interpreted to forbid any depiction of the prophet for fear it could lead to idolatry.

 

In the tape, al-Baghdadi also named other insurgent groups in Iraq that al-Qaeda was fighting and promised new attacks, particular against the minority Yazidi sect that was recently devastated by massive car bombs.

 

"We are calling for the assassination of cartoonist Lars Vilks who dared insult our Prophet, peace be upon him, and we announce a reward during this generous month of Ramadan of $100,000 for the one who kills this criminal," the transcript on the Web site said. E-mail to a friend http://i.l.cnn.net/cnn/.element/img/2.0/mosaic/util/email.gif

 

Copyright 2007 The Associated Press. All rights reserved.This material may not be published, broadcast, rewritten, or redistributed.

 

 

[Arpa]

Look at these clowns.

http://www.geocities.com/hollywood/cinema/...l1/it-clown.jpg

Ms. Gibbons was too nice. She had her students name an innocent Teddy Bear Mohammed. If I were her I would have a CLOWN named Mohammed.

This thread is about “cartoon” don’t they mean “khartoum”?

IDIOTS!!!

Islam, along with all those so called religions should be banned!

http://www.cnn.com/2007/WORLD/africa/11/30...ears/index.html

KHARTOUM, Sudan (CNN) -- Hundreds of protesters brandishing swords and sticks gathered outside Khartoum's presidential palace Friday to vent their anger against a British teacher jailed for allowing children to name a teddy bear "Mohammed."

An undated amateur photo of Gillian Gibbons, who has been found guilty of insulting religion.

About 600 Islamic demonstrators piled out of mosques, chanting: "By soul, by blood, I will fight for the Prophet Mohammed." Some of the protesters demanded the teacher's execution, according to The Associated Press.

The agency reports that some chanted: "No tolerance: Execution," and "Kill her, kill her by firing squad."

The decision by a Sudanese court to jail Gillian Gibbons late Thursday was widely criticized outside Sudan as too harsh, with British Foreign Secretary David Miliband saying he was "extremely disappointed" the charges were not dismissed.

Abdul-Jalil Nazeer al-Karouri, a prominent cleric and hardliner, told worshippers Friday at the Martyrs Mosque: "Imprisoning this lady does not satisfy the thirst of Muslims in Sudan. But we welcome imprisonment and expulsion," according to AP. But he did not urge worshippers to protest.

In leaflets distributed earlier this week by Muslim groups and seen by CNN, the protesters promised a "popular release of anger" at demonstrations called for Friday.

The leaflets condemned Gibbons as an "infidel" and accused her of "the pollution of children's mentality" by her actions.

 

The teacher was convicted of insulting religion but cleared of two other charges of inciting hatred and showing contempt for religious beliefs, Ali Ajeb, her lawyer said.

Ajeb said they were planning to appeal the sentence, which runs from the date she was first detained, November 25.

Gibbons, 54, is being held in a woman's prison in the Omdurman district of Khartoum and she will be deported at the end of her prison term, British consular officials in the city told CNN.

Embassy staff said they were giving the teacher, from the northern English city of Liverpool, full consular assistance. Watch a report on reactions to the verdict »

Omer Mohammed Ahmed Siddig, the Sudanese ambassador to Britain, was summoned for a second time to meet with the British foreign secretary late Thursday after the court's ruling.

Miliband also spoke to the Sudanese acting foreign minister for 15 minutes on the telephone during the meeting, the British Foreign Office said.

"Our priority now is to ensure Ms. Gibbons' welfare and we will continue to provide consular assistance to her," Miliband said in a statement.

The Foreign Office said there would be further talks with the Sudanese government Friday.

Gibbons was arrested Sunday after she asked her class of seven-year-olds in Khartoum to name the toy as part of a school project, the Foreign Office said.

She had faced charges under Article 125 of Sudan's constitution, the law relating to insulting religion and inciting hatred.

She could have faced a sentence of 40 lashes, a fine or jail term of up to a year, according to the Foreign Office, which expressed Britain's dissatisfaction with the verdict.

British newspapers condemned Gibbons' conviction, with The Daily Telegraph calling for the recall of the British ambassador from Khartoum and sanctions against the heads of the Sudanese government.

In an editorial the tabloid newspaper, The Sun, said Gibbons' jailing was a "grotesque insult to Islam" and called Gibbons "an innocent abroad."

Four vans filled with riot police were stationed outside the courthouse at Thursday's hearing, but there were no signs of street disturbances or protests.

Staff from Gibbons' school, including Robert Boulos, the head of Unity High School, were present.

Boulos said he was "horrified" when he found out it was a member of his own staff who complained, not a parent as originally thought.

Defense counsel later confirmed that the complaint came from Sarah Khawad, a secretary at the school.

 

Gibbons has been working at the school -- popular with wealthy Sudanese and expatriates -- since August, after leaving her position as deputy head teacher at a primary school in Liverpool this summer, Boulos said.

He said Gibbons asked the children to pick their favorite name for the new class mascot,

Edited November 30, 2007 by Arpa

[Arpa]

Yes, yes.

By all means, lte's have those CLOWNS from Anakara invade and conquer the Vatican, and crap on the cross.

Hi Gamavor!!!

[Armenak]

I heard about that. I wish Sassun were here to comment.

[gamavor]

Europeans should adopt Islam or else.....

[Arpa]

DejasVu all over again. Only this time with a twist.

See highlights below.

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Middle East Angry Over New Book on Islam

Aug 20, 2008

"Turkish news agencies have attacked the author as being a Christian

Extremist."

AKRON, OHIO -- Markus Aurelius' explosive new book, "Bleeding for

Allah: Why Islam will Conquer the Free World, What Americans Need to

Know" has Muslims from Turkey to Saudi Arabia blistering with

rage. The new book, which took more than four years to research and

write, scrutinizes Islam from its very birth. The Koran, the holy book

of more than one billion people worldwide, is systematically analyzed

by the author to reveal the true nature of its message. "Bleeding for

Allah" goes the full distance in detailing the uncomfortable and

painful truth of that message.

 

Turkish news agencies have attacked the author as being a "Christian

extremist" (Ankara News) and of "promoting culture wars" (Jurnalturk).

Dozens of websites in Turkey, Syria and Saudi Arabia have condemned

the work as nothing more than propaganda of the Bush administration.

The Turks appear particularly sensitive to Aurelius' gruesome account of the

Turkish propagated Armenian Genocide.

The Turkish news outlets reiterate that Islam is only a religion of peace.

 

Although touted as a peaceful religion and Islamic terrorists

dismissed as misguided fanatics, it is clear that the very words of

Allah, as voiced through the Archangel Gabriel to the Prophet

Muhammad, are anything but peaceful. Markus Aurelius' breakthrough

work, in clear and concise fashion, gives countless examples of

Koranic verse that readily demonstrates its militancy and

violence. While Aurelius is quite sensitive to the influence of

cultural bias on interpretation, he finds it extremely difficult to

dismiss the troubling tenor of so many of the Koran's verses, such as:

 

-Believers, take neither the Jews nor the Christians for your

friends.-- Koran, 5:51

 

-Prophet, make war on the unbelievers and the hypocrites, and deal

sternly with them. -- Koran, 66:9

 

-When the sacred months are over, slay the idolaters wherever you find

them. Arrest them, besiege them, and lie in ambush everywhere for

them. --Koran 9:5

 

In an effort to further reduce cultural bias but still illustrate the

militancy of Islam, "Bleeding for Allah" includes a unique comparative

analysis of specific words between the New Testament and the

Koran. For example, the words "punishment" and "torture" appear 600

percent more in the Koran while the word "love" appears 500 percent

less.

 

Additionally, Aurelius carefully examines the Prophet Muhammad's life,

including the gruesome details of his ruthless rise to power in the

early seventh century. "The shrewd Prophet creatively found divine

words of support from Allah for his banditry and mass murder,"

Aurelius writes. "Sadly, more than one billion people believe those

words today."

 

Americans are woefully in the dark regarding the Koran, but few have

taken the time to read it. The author challenges the American public

to examine the Koran and draw their own conclusions.

 

###

 

Keywords: Islam,Muslims,Muhammad,terrorists,Turkey,Saudi

Arabia,genocide, Religion » General

 

http://www.pressrelease365.com/pr/religion...merica-2712.htm

 

 

[Arpa]

Speaking of Mickey Mouse, see what this Mecca Rat has done.

Once again , dejas vu all over again.

How about we ban those Ali Baba and their Forty Million “oil” thieves.

See Popeye and Olive “Oyl “ below.

http://www.nationalledger.com/artman/publi...ter_22793.shtml

DC Journal

Mickey Mouse as Satan: Saudi Cleric Attacks Cartoon Character

By Jeff Freeland

Sep 18, 2008

Mickey Mouse is an agent of Satan and he must be killed, Sheikh Muhammad Munajid, a former Saudi ambassador to the U.S. said. The cleric has called the loveable Disney character Mickey Mouse "one of Satan's soldiers" a report from Fox News claims. The statement came during a call in show where the Saudi was answering questions from television viewers.

The cleric said household mice and their animated counterparts must be rubbed out, the UK Daily Telegraph reported this week. "The mouse is a repulsive, corrupting creature," Sheikh Munajid said to network al-Majd.

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Also rememer that the name of the present FM of furkey is Ali Baba(jan).

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ali_Baba

Ali Baba and the Forty Thieves

Ali Baba by Maxfield Parrish (1909).

Ali Baba (Arabic, Persian: علي بابا) is a fictional character based in Ancient Arabia. He is described in the adventure tale of Ali Baba and the Forty Thieves, part of The Book of One Thousand and One Nights (Arabian Nights, Persian: هزار و یک شب). Some critics believe that this story was added to The Book of One Thousand and One Nights by one of its European transcribers, Antoine Galland, an 18th-century French orientalist who may have heard it in oral form from an Arab story-teller from Aleppo. However, Richard F. Burton claimed it to be part of the original Book of One Thousand and One Nights. This story has also been used as a popular pantomime plot—perhaps most famously in the pantomime/musical Chu Chin Chow (1916).

Popeye;, Ali Baba

Edited September 19, 2008 by Arpa