Nakharar Posted January 6, 2005 Report Share Posted January 6, 2005 I gave two already in this thread dear. One with chimps deviding into two groups and waging war one against the other, untill destroying the other group... just like humans would do. The other with the chimps stealing baboun babies and butchering them for no instinctive needs. style_images/master/snapback.png I never believed my sister when she told me about exactly the same thing you mentioned about chimp warfare against baboons and each other and decapitation of baboon babies. It's like Cowboys and Indians and Turks and Armenians in the animal world. Though there are some people doubting you in this thread and I haven't come accross it anywhere else I'm still amazed. Strangely enough I'm not shocked or disgusted when I hear people doing that to each other. It's what we expect from them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gevo27 Posted January 6, 2005 Report Share Posted January 6, 2005 How is this effort showing anything about genetics? If nothing else, they have shown how sexual behavior is influenced by environments and sheer numbers. Just throw a bunch of guys in prison and they'll start mouting each other. I think this is a great effort at showing homosexuality is not a human only trait and therefor it's probably not influenced by the devil. style_images/master/snapback.png WHAT!!!???? well.. i dont have much time to explain my thaughts now, i will get to it later.. but.. By showing that animals are gay as well, either they are proving that animals can associate on am emotional level that is equal or surpasses that of humans, or.. that being gay is a genetic disorder.. because what else reason would animals be gay for? we know they feel some level of emotion, and yes we can hurt a dog's feelings, but.... that is not to say they use emotional attachment for satisfying their feelings.. thus.. there can not be this sort of perversion in the animal kingdom, below homo homo sapiens. By "proving" that any such animal as a penguin feels they have the need to be "gay" will deny the fact of animal instincts.. rules that we have come to understand about their mating and such.. i will expand later.. now i have to go to work .. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arpa Posted January 6, 2005 Report Share Posted January 6, 2005 (edited) Edit out. Edited January 6, 2005 by Arpa Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DominO123 Posted January 6, 2005 Report Share Posted January 6, 2005 I never believed my sister when she told me about exactly the same thing you mentioned about chimp warfare against baboons and each other and decapitation of baboon babies. It's like Cowboys and Indians and Turks and Armenians in the animal world. Though there are some people doubting you in this thread and I haven't come accross it anywhere else I'm still amazed. Strangely enough I'm not shocked or disgusted when I hear people doing that to each other. It's what we expect from them. style_images/master/snapback.png You havn't seen the tape. That WAS something... they appeared to be cave men in their behavors. They even uses sticks and rocks as war tools. I have started a thread in the past about giving the same rights to chimps as humans. It was just after I have viewed two of those tapes. Chimps are able to commit genocide, there are criminal chimps that should be jailed for having murdered a babies chimp mother or father... chimps being responsable of genocides should be trialed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DominO123 Posted January 6, 2005 Report Share Posted January 6, 2005 (edited) WHAT!!!???? well.. i dont have much time to explain my thaughts now, i will get to it later.. but.. By showing that animals are gay as well, either they are proving that animals can associate on am emotional level that is equal or surpasses that of humans, or.. that being gay is a genetic disorder.. because what else reason would animals be gay for? we know they feel some level of emotion, and yes we can hurt a dog's feelings, but.... that is not to say they use emotional attachment for satisfying their feelings.. thus.. there can not be this sort of perversion in the animal kingdom, below homo homo sapiens. By "proving" that any such animal as a penguin feels they have the need to be "gay" will deny the fact of animal instincts.. rules that we have come to understand about their mating and such.. i will expand later.. now i have to go to work .. style_images/master/snapback.png Homosexuality is a behavour, if there is anything genetic being homosexual, there is as well something genetic about someone liking apple and not oranges. Edited January 6, 2005 by Fadix Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gevo27 Posted January 6, 2005 Report Share Posted January 6, 2005 Parthenogenesis! See here; http://www.factmonster.com/ce6/sci/A0837738.html style_images/master/snapback.png although it usually results in incomplete and abnormal development. This seems to not address any of my concerns.. but needless to say this parthenogenisis seems to be rather cruel. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gevo27 Posted January 6, 2005 Report Share Posted January 6, 2005 Homosexuality is a behavour, if there is anything genetic being homosexual, there is as well something genetic about someone liking apple and not oranges. style_images/master/snapback.png i dont understand yourreasoning behind that.. but i agree that homosexuality is NOT composed from genetic disorders. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arpa Posted January 6, 2005 Report Share Posted January 6, 2005 This whole thing is nothing but total hogwash, horse feathers, I mean penguin feathers , and crying wolf. If there really is hemosexuality in the animal world then they have to show us that there also is lesbianism. Many animals, specially when they are young tussle and tumble, just as human young do. It is all part of growing up and socialization. In the animal world the sexes live totally separate except during certain times, very few animals are married for life, so to speak. In some species the males are either self exiled or exiled forcefully. Elephants come to mind. The males live in a unisex bachelor societies their entire life except .. Does that mean they are homosexuals or practice it? This whole thing is part of the gay agenda. First they almost convinced us that it is natural and normal. Normal means behavior of the majority. Is it? Then I may have been the only one to miss the boat! As if that was not enough, next they delved into history and "outed" most, if not all the celebrities. Now it is time for the entire universe, including the animal world. Speaking of history, they have almost convinced us that Jesus was homosexual, based on the fact that, according to some He was not married. May I suggest anothe deity that may qualify as such? How about God? He is not married either, that is if you do not consider His impregnation of Mary as marriage! This whole thing is no less ridiculous than the Armenian's outing of all the so called "closet Armenians", which brings to mind Gregor Ipekian, Eghisapeth Tertsakian, Hakob Palanjian, Hans Guderian, Herbert (Von) Karayan, Hovannes (Bach) Sebastain, and Genghis Mongolian. Why are we discussing this anyway? Is it so some of us who may have doubts about their gender identity can have our approval? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wh00t Posted January 6, 2005 Report Share Posted January 6, 2005 (edited) If there really is hemosexuality in the animal world then they have to show us that there also is lesbianism. style_images/master/snapback.png NATIONAL GEOGRAPHIC to the rescue! Yes, the same magazine which uncovered the fascinating world of Armenia, now bring us another startling revelation: hardcore, decadent, writhing-in-pleasure lesbian and homosexual animal sex and companionship! http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/20..._gayanimal.html - Roy and Silo, two male chinstrap penguins at New York's Central Park Zoo: two males who totally ignore surrounding females in favor of doing and loving each other long-term! - Some male ostriches only court their own gender! - Some male flamingos raise foster chicks together! - Some female Japanese macaques prefer doing each (and derive immense sexual pleasure from it, maybe I add!) other rather than other males! - 75% of bonobo apes engage in sexual relationships that is nonreproductive, and in fact, they may all be bisexual! A whole book has been written on it by biologist Bruce Bagemihl: Biological Exuberance: Animal Homosexuality and Natural Diversity. It turns out that homosexual behavior has been "scientifically documented in more than 450 species of mammals, birds, reptiles, insects, and other animals worldwide". If you're unable to buy the book (lest you contribute your hard-earned cash to the sinister "homosexual agenda!"), see a good summary here: http://www.bidstrup.com/sodomy.htm And here: http://www.salon.com/it/feature/1999/03/cov_15featurea.html Edited January 6, 2005 by wh00t Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wh00t Posted January 7, 2005 Report Share Posted January 7, 2005 (edited) This whole thing is part of the gay agenda. First they almost convinced us that it is natural and normal. Normal means behavior of the majority. Is it? Then I may have been the only one to miss the boat! As if that was not enough, next they delved into history and "outed" most, if not all the celebrities. Now it is time for the entire universe, including the animal world. Speaking of history, they have almost convinced us that Jesus was homosexual, based on the fact that, according to some He was not married. May I suggest anothe deity that may qualify as such? How about God? He is not married either, that is if you do not consider His impregnation of Mary as marriage! This whole thing is no less ridiculous than the Armenian's outing of all the so called "closet Armenians", which brings to mind Gregor Ipekian, Eghisapeth Tertsakian, Hakob Palanjian, Hans Guderian, Herbert (Von) Karayan, Hovannes (Bach) Sebastain, and Genghis Mongolian. Why are we discussing this anyway? Is it so some of us who may have doubts about their gender identity can have our approval? style_images/master/snapback.png You are completely squirreling the issue here. What is being discussed is the dubious notion that homosexuality is not "natural", ie. it is a voluntary, cognitive phenomenon uniquely present in homo sapiens for the sake of persuing alternative lifestyles. Edited January 7, 2005 by wh00t Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Armen Posted January 7, 2005 Report Share Posted January 7, 2005 You are completely squirreling the issue here. What is being discussed is the dubious notion that homosexuality is not "natural", ie. it is a voluntary, cognitive phenomenon uniquely present in homo sapiens for the sake of persuing alternative lifestyles. style_images/master/snapback.png You mean they become homos because they're bored? As far as I have seen people nowadys persue alternative things when they're bored. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vava Posted January 7, 2005 Report Share Posted January 7, 2005 You mean they become homos because they're bored? As far as I have seen people nowadys persue alternative things when they're bored. style_images/master/snapback.png Um, I believe he said that it's a 'dubious' notion that homosexuality is a 'choice'. From what I've read on this topic - which admittedly is not a lot - it seems to me that regardless of whatever environmental/social factors may exist, some people are simply more pre-disposed to be gay, in other words, they're born with it. It's not a disease or a condition, nor is it a lifestyle choice (thought arguably, there are some that may make that decision). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DominO123 Posted January 7, 2005 Report Share Posted January 7, 2005 (edited) Um, I believe he said that it's a 'dubious' notion that homosexuality is a 'choice'. From what I've read on this topic - which admittedly is not a lot - it seems to me that regardless of whatever environmental/social factors may exist, some people are simply more pre-disposed to be gay, in other words, they're born with it. It's not a disease or a condition, nor is it a lifestyle choice (thought arguably, there are some that may make that decision). style_images/master/snapback.png Predisposition doesn't mean being born with. If in a family people like a lot of apple, we can say that their child will be predisposed to like apple, be it environmental or some genetic predisposition. I still think that even heterosexuality, with all it's social componment is rare(in the form that we humans have) in the animal kingdom, only more intelligent animals are heterosexual(I don't mean heterosexual behavour which is the "norm"). Edited January 7, 2005 by Fadix Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nairi Posted January 7, 2005 Report Share Posted January 7, 2005 (edited) Domino, that's not true, and I can attest that with the example of alcohol. I have been fed alcohol since I was a very young child by pratically every member in my family. Drinking plays a big role not only in my family, but also in the country/culture that I grew up in. Yet, I HATE the taste of alcohol. I always have. Other children in my family, on the other hand, seem to love alcohol, even at a young age. My one-year-old niece gulps down strong alcohol without twitching. Give me a drink with only 1% of the alcohol in that and I'll be gagging. Obviously my body (or whatever) simply cannot handle alcohol. In other words: not everything is nurtured. Some of it is actually natural, whether we like it or not. In my case, it is natural for me to hate alcohol. The proof that it is natural is because no one (including myself!) has as of yet managed to nurture me into liking it. Edited January 7, 2005 by nairi Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DominO123 Posted January 7, 2005 Report Share Posted January 7, 2005 Domino, that's not true, and I can attest that with the example of alcohol. I have been fed alcohol since I was a very young child by pratically every member in my family. Drinking plays a big role not only in my family, but also in the country/culture that I grew up in. Yet, I HATE the taste of alcohol. I always have. Other children in my family, on the other hand, seem to love alcohol, even at a young age. My one-year-old niece gulps down strong alcohol without twitching. Give me a drink with only 1% of the alcohol in that and I'll be gagging. Obviously my body (or whatever) simply cannot handle alcohol. In other words: not everything is nurtured. Some of it is actually natural, whether we like it or not. In my case, it is natural for me to hate alcohol. The proof that it is natural is because no one (including myself!) has as of yet managed to nurture me into liking it. style_images/master/snapback.png True, but predisposition is only statistical in nature, it predict statistically, and not individually. Say that in a family more people drink than another(in the same town, and both families situations(financial etc.) are very similar). Statistically speaking, the child from the first family has more chances to drink later. I think I should more talk of suseptibility than predisposition. Environmental and genetic. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
angel4hope Posted January 7, 2005 Report Share Posted January 7, 2005 Here's my two cents... I do think that homosexuality is somehow predisposed in certain human beings and not others, but I do also think that people have a choice in it.... As Domino said, jsut because there's a predisposition, it does not mean that the person is automatically homosexual. Being predisposed means that given the right environmental circmstances- including embryonic hormones duriong development, and social contexts after birth, people become so.... Think of predisposition as the following: certain diseases such as pscoriosis (i hope im spelling it corecctly), people who are predisposed have full potential of having the disease at some point in their lives, but only if presented with the right circumstances, such as environmental stressors that may cause the disease to be expressed- this is called a stress diathesis model in psychology-- anywhoo i will end with that Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DominO123 Posted January 7, 2005 Report Share Posted January 7, 2005 (edited) True, but this isn't only true for diseases, but many other things. Behaviors for instance, a child can be predisposed to like apples insteed of oranges, be more calm, more aggressive etc. EDITED: BTW, welcome back. Edited January 7, 2005 by Fadix Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
angel4hope Posted January 7, 2005 Report Share Posted January 7, 2005 yes i have to agree Fido ... and thank you...nice to be back! ... i missed you guys...esp you Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DominO123 Posted January 7, 2005 Report Share Posted January 7, 2005 esp you style_images/master/snapback.png Don't say that too loud, or else Azat will be giving you a warning out of jealousy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wh00t Posted January 8, 2005 Report Share Posted January 8, 2005 You mean they become homos because they're bored?style_images/master/snapback.png I'm suggesting that those who make claims like that are mistaken. I think certainly many people engage in homosexual behavior for the sake of experimentation and whatnot (boredom, of course, being one major factor), but by and large they are the exception and not the rule. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DominO123 Posted January 8, 2005 Report Share Posted January 8, 2005 (edited) I think certainly many people engage in homosexual behavior for the sake of experimentation and whatnot (boredom, of course, being one major factor), but by and large they are the exception and not the rule. style_images/master/snapback.png If that would be the cases,(heter engaging in homo...) I would say they won't do that out of boredom but rather they display S&M behavours. Edited January 8, 2005 by Fadix Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marseliatsi_M26 Posted June 23, 2005 Report Share Posted June 23, 2005 I'm just wondering something : Are there many gays and lesbians among Armenians ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kakachik77 Posted June 23, 2005 Report Share Posted June 23, 2005 you want names or a general 'yes' or 'no' answer? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vava Posted June 23, 2005 Report Share Posted June 23, 2005 (edited) you want names ... style_images/master/snapback.png That's funny Edited June 23, 2005 by vava Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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