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http://www.world-flags-symbols.com/_img_nations4/nagorno_karabakh_flag.png You will notice that it is the Armenian Tricolor Flag divided by broken crooked lines. http://www.world-flags-symbols.com/_img_nations4/nagorno_karabakh_flag.png

Please pardon silly me. I posted this under another topic (Culture). Here it is with some embellishments. All in fun. No offense!! I would love to se videos of a husband pour khash over the wife's head, and the wife poking him with the shampour շամփուր/ շիշ. http://www.bakedeco.com/images/description/ShishKebabSkewers440.jpg http://www.exampler.com/testing-com/blog/images/en-garde.jpg Food Fight- Ուտեստամարտ/Կերակրապատերազմ? How about we start a war between Խաշգլոխ and Խոզ խորուած officionados.? ---- WWIII? Food wars, Caution, some of the accompanying videos may be offensive.. Armenian Lebanese and a pest. http://hyeforum.com/index.php?showtopic=8712 http://starscene.dailystar.com.lb/wp-content/gallery/lebanese-hummus-breaks-guinness-record/tabouleh-hummus-guinness-book-world-record-5.jpg How to make tabouleh? Ask the Lebanese. http://starscene.dailystar.com.lb/social-scene/2009/10/lebanon-breaks-guinness-record-for-largest-hummus-tabouleh/ http://www.minyanville.com/dailyfeed/armenia-produces-worlds-largest-chocolate/ --- Whate are these? Some sound furkish and Greek. “bozbash, kchuch, or boraki (boerek/boereg“?)“. Armenian cheese boereg; http://media.cleveland.com/taste_impact/photo/cheese-boeregjpg-1c533e34819f151b.jpg http://blog.cleveland.com/taste_impact/2008/09/large_nina.jpg What will be next. The Boerek Wars? Who can make a Boerk as big as the Khosrovi Pourak/Պուրակ Անտառակ? http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_On7WjrK_8mg/TBCKj0FM3QI/AAAAAAAADVU/Cp4lgzCqQPM/s1600/15.jpg http://hyeforum.com/index.php?showtopic=24911

WWIII? Food wars. Here are the three sides of World War Three. Armenian Lebanese and a pest. Chocolate, hummus and tabouleh. How to make tabouleh? Ask the Lebanese. http://starscene.dailystar.com.lb/social-scene/2009/10/lebanon-breaks-guinness-record-for-largest-hummus-tabouleh/ http://www.minyanville.com/dailyfeed/armenia-produces-worlds-largest-chocolate/ --- What are these? Some sound furkish and Greek. “bozbash, kchuch, or boraki (boerek/boereg“?)“. Armenian cheese boereg; http://media.cleveland.com/taste_impact/photo/cheese-boeregjpg-1c533e34819f151b.jpg http://blog.cleveland.com/taste_impact/2008/09/large_nina.jpg

Poor Baby!! http://news.am/eng/news/31308.html Armenian soldier killed in ceasefire violation on contact line September 17, 2010 | 19:38 A soldier of the NKR Defense Army Andranik Sargsyan was killed in the ceasefire violations by Azerbaijani side in the frontline between the armed forces of Azerbaijan and Karabakh on September 17. Sargsyan (1991, Shushi military commissariat) served as a lance corporal. As the NKR Defense Ministry press service informed NEWS.am, the Azerbaijani units fired at Karabakh positions from different types of small arms, including sniper rifles in the north-eastern direction of Nagorno-Karabakh.

Today, Friday Sept. 17, 2010 we are less than 48 hours away from the “circus” called “Liturgy at Aghtamar”. This article also belongs under the many topics dealing with that “circus ala turque”. Note below that the author alludes that the letter may be a forgery, a sham manufactured by either boobjanis or the fascist nationalist furks. To me it is a veiled threat of violence. Where is Dr. Astarjian who is on daily contact with the Kurds, be they in Kirkuk, Iraq or Concord, NH, maybe he can tell us if it is actually by Kurds. Peshmerga; http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/f/f1/Kurdish_Peshmerga_Iraq.GIF http://times.am/2010/09/15/is-it-safe-to-visit-aghtamar-island/

This would have been funny if not sad. That we are the most humane and humanitarian? Anyone know the adage "Այրած սրտի ... մխիթարանք"?? Միթէ մենք մարդասէ՞ր ենք, երբ մեր մայրը լացընողին հայր կոչենք?? Հարուստն ու հզօրը երբեք մարդասէր չեն եղել, այլ փառասէր: Մարդասիրութիւնը աղքատին , տկարին եւ պարտուածին թմրադեղն է**: Տես յաղթական հզօրին «մարդասիրութիւնը» Պրպտիր եւ տես թէ յաղթական հզօրները ինչպէս էին, եւ տակաւին վարւում յաղթահարեալներին: Մարդասէրը այդ աղքատ մամիկն է որ իր վերջին լուման կը նուիրէ, քան թէ այդ միլիոնատէրը որ մեծ հանդէսով նուիրէ երկու լումա: Փառաբանենք եւ երկրպագենք նրանց: http://gi265.photobucket.com/groups/ii232/5XH5EKYUPO/prayer.jpg Հզօր եւ յաղթական Աորեստան: http://www.bible-history.com/sketches/assyria/assyrian-blinding-prisoners.jpg http://www.visualbiblealive.com/image-bin/Public/045/02/045_02_0009_VOT1_prev.jpg Are we still talking about humantirian/մարդասիրանք? Survey these picture; http://www.armenian-genocide.org/photo_wegner.html **Տես «թմուր» , երբեմն նաեւ «թմբիր», թուլութիւն: Յովաննէս, խնդրեմ մեզ գրիր սա բառի արմատական իմաստի մասին: Shame on me! Are we speaking about "homophilia/love of one's fellow man/մարդասէր" or "homophobia/մարդատեաց"? To not forget that Armenian word for “man”(humankind) is «մարդ» to mean “mortal” just as the Greco-Latin “human” means “humus/***dust” as in “ashes to ashes “ , «հող էիր դառնաս հողի». *** No, no. It is not that chickpea and tahini concoction. http://www.fitness.com/recipes/uploaded/1211354227_01_hummus.jpg

Never ending comedy, in association with the Liars‘ Club. Yet another BS . B as in” bird”. http://www.cartoonstock.com/lowres/dre0606l.jpg What need is there for an airline between Yerevan and Van??? To transport Armenian girls to “work” in the hotels of Van??? http://news.am/eng/news/31092.html Here are those two planes http://www.eaglewingtours.com/userimages/Image/turkey-vulture.jpg http://www.sandcreekicelandics.com/images/DSC00807_turkey_flight_3-19-05_PSE-C8-600.jpg And the Armenian airplane; http://www.versebyverseministry.org/images/uploads/gtotem_hummingbird.jpg.jpeg ------ Ps. This is not funny, it is sad; http://news.am/eng/news/31042.html

French Senate passes ban on full Muslim veil http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20100914/ap_on_re_eu/eu_france_forbidding_the_veil_4 http://news.yahoo.com/nphotos/France-Kenza-Drider--wearing-niqab--drives-car-/photo//100913/481/urn_publicid_ap_org_f9d8686f7bc74a0bbe20380a87d1c894//s:/ap/20100914/ap_on_re_eu/eu_france_forbidding_the_veil;_ylt=Apf5_7j08_T2nxNt47LLNiFbbBAF;_ylu=X3oDMTE4a2w0Y3FuBHBvcwMxBHNlYwN5bl9yX3RvcF9waG90bwRzbGsDa2VuemFkcmlkZXI How about they learn to cover the hair below the belt? Belly dance. Anyone know the difference between "public" and "pubic"? http://www.shimmies-r-us.com/2008/sadie.jpg here is her photo on her drivers' license. http://images.usatoday.com/news/_photos/2003/06/06-veil-inside.jpg How would one know her from Jesse James? http://media.wsbt.com/images/Elkhart+Chase+Bank+Robbery+2.JPG http://columbian.media.clients.ellingtoncms.com/img/croppedphotos/2010/07/21/Railroad_train1_t640.jpg?a6ea3ebd4438a44b86d2e9c39ecf7613005fe067 --- It is rumored that that dog talaat escaped dressed in a chador and hijab.

Here is another SAD story about BORDERS. Even if we have spoken about it under many topics, like trafficking/prostitution etc. I have seen fit to post it here as many of us are hoping for “open borders”. It is doubly SAD the characters have such (fictitious?) beautiful Armenian names like Gohar and Hasmik. ---- http://hetq.am/en/court/traf-5/

Above we read … Yeah, yeah!! Right!!! .Via Georgia?**** Why don’t we make it “via Kamchatka and Timbuktu“? (Do we know where those places are?)*** Not only residents of Yerevan should boycott this event but boycott any entry to that hell and spare their hard earned drams and dollars , rather than enriching those SSOs. Including naive American Armenians, Syrian Armenians, Greek Armenians and Armenians of Zululand.** ----- Do we know the origin and meaning of the word “boycott”? ** I should not be so cynically cruel. I can understand the claustrophobic frustrations of the Yerevanites who are condemned to live in a landlocked/blockaded country that one can walk the width and the length in one day . I know how it feels. I have lived in Syria and Lebanon where we were stopped by the border patrol every other mile of the way. *** Kamchatka http://www.kamchatkatravel.net/imgs/maps/w_map.jpg Timbuktu http://www.oxfam.org.uk/coolplanet/ontheline/schools/magicmali/images/map3.jpg **** Why via Georgia, not Via Florida or Ala- bamia? http://www.statetravelmaps.com/Georgia/main-georgia-map.gif

And... THE CROSS http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4141/4990029532_af8d18dcd9.jpg Note here that that crescent and star rag and the ugly face of that butcher are not seen. http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4126/4990029454_7fe2178dbb.jpg http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4085/4990029626_c3c5ff7099.jpg http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4154/4989422177_3a26de8237.jpg And here are the "crusaders". http://news.am/pic/news/30825.jpg

The circus is still on. http://il.youtube.com/watch?v=DJJa78ylz-w&feature=related It seems we hit them where it hurts most, the touristic pocket. First this http://news.am/eng/news/30761.html September 14, 2010 | 10:20 Recently, the Turkish media has spread information that businessmen in Van plan to solve the problem of cross installation on Surb Khach themselves. According to the information, the businessmen intended to bring special device to the island and install the cross on the dome of Surb Khach church on Akhtamar Island. In this regard, the NEWS.am correspondent held a conversation with Abdullah Tuncdemir, a representative of Turkish Association of Travel Agents (TURSAB). As to the installation of the cross till September 19, Tuncdemir said: “The main thing is there is a permission to install the cross. We may not manage to place it before the liturgy, but it will be installed by all means. Please, do not make it a big problem. We hold meetings and discussions on the matter and do our best to install the cross before the liturgy. However, the Van Governor is to make a final decision.” He stressed the church on Akhtamar was restored and opened for religious services and asked the reporters to write only good things. “If it is possible, the cross will be installed. We wish to do it in a friendly atmosphere,” he noted. Then, 5 hours later this. http://news.am/eng/news/30825.html September 14, 2010 | 15:24 On September 14, the cross of Surb Khach Church was brought to Akhtamar Island from the Van Museum. Van Deputy Governor Aray Uslu himself participated in the transportation of the cross, Turkish Hurriyet daily reports According to a local official, the Armenian clergymen in Istanbul will arrive in Van in two days and place the cross wherever they want. “Turkish Ministry of Culture and Tourism allowed the cross to be installed on the church. However, it is impossible to install the cross on the dome for technical reasons,” he said. The 2.5 meters high and 1.3 meters wide 100-kg cross will be guarded by security officers. Interestingly, Van businessmen promised to have the cross installed on the dome of the church before the September 19 liturgy. --- Speaking of hitting them in the pocket, here is how those SSOs are feeling the pain.

ՏՈՒՐՄ Chocolate (Although this is mainly a linguistic issue I chose to post it here for obvious reasons.) To my question of “ what the Armenian word for chocolate is” http://asbarez.com/App/Asbarez/eng/2010/09/0911chocolate.jpg http://hyeforum.com/index.php?showtopic=30208&pid=275232&st=0entry275232 Zartonk answered; Ճակլետ Very good Zartonk. Except that you are speaking English (chaklet) while those in Yerevan seem to speak French “shokolat”, or Russian- шоколадный (šokoládnyj) . So, what is the Armenian word for that delicacy? Only a few of us may have known this-ՏՈՒՐՄ tourm Huh!! What is the origin and etymology of that word. No one seems to know. Even Ajarian gives up and says - “it must a be new fangled word” that is used by some writers with no explanation. I was about to shred and burn all those dictionaries, I may still, when they say that “chocolate” is from Aztec. It may be true…. My initial instinct was that “chocolat(t)” (shokola) was an original French word to mean “cocoa/cacao and lait-milk ) just as the Spanish cacao+latte, կակաո*** կաթ/ կաթնա կակաո?. I still maintain except that, in the light of the Aztec “xocolatl” I must reconsider and see if the French is not retrofitted. I have one more argument. Even if many sites point to South America as the home of Cocoa, we know well that West Africa is the main producer, as seen in the above story from Yerevan that the beans were imported from Ghana. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Cocoa_Pods.JPG http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_RcsStnQ4TCI/TIEf7cTClsI/AAAAAAAAAZc/vtSX7RNYyKU/s1600/cocoa.jpg Btw. What do people in Yerevan call hot chocolate? http://www.chocoh.com/images/hot-chocolate.jpg **We all take those “official” dictionaries at their word, no matter how popularly and politically biased they may be, as when they say a certain word is furkish. My paperbound Webster’s says that the word “heathen” is from the Armenian “hetanos” (ethnos). Since amended. *** And further more. Why are those gago-heads in Yerevan spelling it կակաո? When the entire Latin world writes "cacao". Would it not translitrate to «գագաո» where the C = Գ ?? OK , OK I know the russkis write "kakao".

Should one wonder, this is what Boghos is referring to. http://wiki.hayqpress.com/index.php?title=Diana_Abgar

Alright all you chocaholics have your palates all cleared up! http://asbarez.com/App/Asbarez/eng/2010/09/0911chocolate.jpg YEREVAN—First there was the oldest leather shoe and now there’s the world’s largest chocolate. The Yerevan-based Grand Candy Co. unveiled a 9,702-pound chocolate bar Saturday. Guinness World Record’s representative Elizabeth Smith presented the factory owner Karen Vardanyan with an official certificate during a ceremony Satuday. She said she was glad to witness what she described as an ‘incredible event’. Vardanyan said that the chocolate bar was produced to mark the tenth anniversary of the company. The previous record was set in Italy in 2007. The bar, containing cocoa beans from Ghana, is 224-inches long, 110-inches wide and 10-inches thick. It will be divided up and handed out to members of the public next month. TV; http://www.ksee24.com/news/local/Chocolate-Bar-Record-102706999.html Ps. What is the Armenian word for chocolate?

I wonder who the ambassador in the Hague will be. Did we not already have one, our own friend Nairi Hague-verdi? And, who will be the one in Tokyo? Our own Edo? http://hetq.am/en/politics/new-embassies/

This week is dedicated to the 95th anniversary of the Heroic Battle of Musa Ler. http://musaler.am/ Herisa http://musaler.am/wp-content/uploads/2010/08/Vagfi-harisan.jpg Hey Mos, is your sister in one of those pictures? Do you see your grandfathers house in Waqf? http://musaler.am/2010/08/13/musaler95/ PS. I am so grateful to the writer of the above for sayin Musa Ler, not Musa **** whatever. http://www.armenians.com/Gallery/musaler/musaler.JPG Curch; http://musaler.am/wp-content/uploads/2010/08/Vagfi-ekeghetsin.jpg And this "church" in Bitias? http://musaler.am/wp-content/uploads/2010/08/Bitiasi-mzkiti-veratsvats-Boghoqakanneri-ekeghetsin.jpg What is the meaning of Waqf? What was that village called before? Movsisavan? :ap: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Waqf This article is about the religious endowment. For the Armenian village, see Vakıflı. In addition to the above, Waqf- plural Awqaf is the Arabic Islamic benevolent society, perhaps the world’s richest . Beside the fact that they own and operate the most profitable real estates, they are also a most charitable organization, building and operating hospitals, orphanages, old peoples homes and homes for the handicapped. I do admire them as I have seen some of their humanitarian activities. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vak%C4%B1fl%C4%B1

http://www.azg.am/AM/2010091108 http://www.azg.am/img/300-201016512.jpg For those who cannot see or read the Armenian above. Prof. Daron has been invited to lecture about the economics of furkey. He quotes- “ in general furkey’s economy is quite healthy, but the problem it is their political instability”. -- http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Daron_Acemo%C4%9Flu

http://www.azg.am/AM/2010091108 http://www.azg.am/img/300-201016512.jpg For those who can’t see or read the Armenian. The furkish MF davitokakapupu has invited the economist Prof. Daron Ajemogagagoogoo to furkey to teach them new techniques of economics. The economist has said that “the economics of furkey is quite healthy, but the problem is their political instability”.

Where exactly is Tigranakert in Artsakh? WE NEED A NEW MAP!!! http://www.armsite.com/maps/ashkharhatsuits.phtml Detail; http://www.armsite.com/maps/mshow.phtml?when=ashkharhatsuits&slide=3 Above we see two Tigranekert-s. I assume the one in question is the lower one. We understand that the one in question is located between aghdam and Askeran. What the h*ll is aghdam? What was it called before? That so called book of soviet crap, aka Hanragitaran says garbage about aghdam, with no historical background, like what was it known before, that it is a town in booboojan , has a cinema**, a school and theater. :duh: And no mention of Tigranakert in Artsakh. Note in the below map that beside the Tigranakert in Greater Armenia there was also a Tigranavan at the south of Nakhjavan. http://www.armsite.com/maps/greater.phtml ** This is funny NOT!!! How every monograph in that book mentions that a certain city/village has/had a cinema/kino/կինո. A standard of civilization???

Thank you Armenian Patriot and welcome. Tigranakert; http://www.youtube.com/user/araratcenter#p/u/152/RDXJF90DwhM

Thank you Armenian Patriot and welcome. Tigranakert, Artsakh; http://www.youtube.com/user/araratcenter#p/u/152/RDXJF90DwhM

Now that the latest hot topic is about Aghtamar , let us revisit and see where Toumanian got the idea for one his better remembered masterpieces AKH TAMAR. To not forget that one of his daughters was named TAMAR. Some time ago Harut had asked the question about Hero and Humor, where we partially answered ; http://hyeforum.com/index.php?showtopic=1543&st=0&p=14759&hl=humor&fromsearch=1entry14759 A picture of that stormy shores of Aghtamar; http://homepage.mac.com/cparada/GML/000Images/him/heroleander3128.jpg ԱԽԹԱՄԱՐ ՀՈՎՀԱՆՆԷՍ ԹՈՒՄԱՆԵԱՆ 1891 Ծիծաղախիտ Վանա ծովի Փոքրիկ գյուղից առափնեայ Ծովն է իջնում գաղտագողի Ամեն գիշեր մի տղայ։ Շովն է մտնում առանց նաւակ, Բազուկներով առնացի Ջուրը ճողփում լող է տալի Դեպի կըղզին դիմացի։ Խաւար կըղզուց պարզ ու պայծառ Մի լույս կանչում է նրան. Մի վառ փարոս նրա համար Չըմոլորի էն ճամփան։ Սիրուն Թամարն ամեն գիշեր Այնտեղ կրակ է անում, Եւ ըսպասում է անհամբեր Այնտեղ մօտիկ դարանում։ Ծըփում է ծովն ալեծածան Ծըփում է սիրտը տըղի, Գոռում է ծովն ահեղաձայն Նա կըռվում է կատաղի։ Եւ Թամարը սըրտատըրոփ Արդեն լսում է մոտիկ Ջրի ճողփյուն ու ողջ մարմնով Սիրուց այրվում է սաստիկ։ Լըռեց։ Ծովի խավար ափին Կանգնեց սեւ-սեւ մի ըստւեր… Ահա եւ նա…իրար գըտան… Խորհըրդավո՛ր լուռ գիշեր… Միայն ալիքը Վանա ծովի Մեղմ դիպչում են եզերքին. Եւ հեղհեղուկ հեռանում են Շըշունջներով անմեկին։ Նըրանք ասես փըսփըսում են Ու աստղերը կամարից Ակնարկելով բամբասում են Լիրբ, անամոթ Թամարից… Բամբասում են կույսի սըրտում Ժամ է արդէն…ու կըրկին Մինն ալեկոծ ծովըն է մըտնում, Մյուսն աղոթում եզերքին… Բայց մի անգամ չարկամ մարդիկ Նըրանց գաղտնիքն իմացան, Լույսը հանգցրին սեւ ու սաստիկ Մի մութ գիշեր դիվական։ Մոլորվեցավ Խավար ծովում Լողորդ տըղան սիրահար, Ու բերում է հողմը բերո՜ւմ Հառաչանքներն- «Ա՜խ, Թամա՜ր…» Մոտ է ձայնը սեւ խավարում, Ժայռերի տակ սեպացած, Ուր ամեհի ծովն է գոռում, Մերթ կորչում է խլացած Ու մերթ լըսւում ուժասպառ. «Ա՜խ, Թամա՜ր…» Առաւօտյան ծովը ծըփաց. Ափը ձըգեց մի դիակ, Նըրա շուրթին պաղ, կարկամած, Ասեղ մեռած ժամանակ Սառել էին երկու բառ. «Ա՜խ, Թամա՜ր…» Այն օրվանից սըրա համար Կըղզին կոչվեց Ախթամար։ AKHTAMAR Translated by Vladimir Rogov Beside the laughing lake of Van A little hamlet lies; Each night into the waves a man Leaps under darkened skies. He cleaves the waves with mighty arm, Needing no raft or boat, And swims, disdaining risk and harm, Towards the isle remote. On the dark island burns so bright A piercing, luring ray: There's lit a beacon every night To guide him on his way. Upon the island is that fire Lit by Tamar the fair; Who waits, all burning with desire, Beneath the shelter there. The lover's heart-how doth it beat! How beat the roaring waves! But, bold and scorning to retreat, The elements he braves. And now Tamar the fair doth hear, With trembling heart aflame, The water splashing-oh, so near, And fire consumes her frame. All quiet is on the shore around, And, black, there looms a shade: The darkness utters not a sound, The swimmer finds the maid. The tide-waves ripple, lisp and splash And murmur, soft and low; They urqe each other, mingle, clash, As, ebbing out, they go. Flutter and rustle the dark waves. And with them every star Whispers how sinfully behaves The shameless maid Tamar; Their whisper shakes her throbbing her This time, as was before! The youth into the waves doth dart, The maiden prays on shore. But certain villains, full of spite, Against them did conspire, And on a hellish, murky night Put out the guiding fire. The luckless lover lost his way, And only from afar The wind is carrying in his sway The moans of: "Ah, Tamar!" And through the night his voice is heard Upon the craggy shores, And, though it's muffled and blurred By the waves' rapid roars, The words fly forward-faint they are- "Ah, Tamar!" And in the morn the splashing tide The hapless youth cast out, Who, battling with the waters, died In an unequal bout; Cold lips are clenched, two words they bare "Ah, Tamar!" And ever since, both near and far, They call the island Akhtamar --- Many poets have been written about. The most memorable seems to be Christopher Marlowe; http://www.classic-literature.co.uk/british-authors/16th-century/christopher-marlowe/hero-and-leander/ Greek mythology, Leander and Hero; http://homepage.mac.com/cparada/GML/Hero.html Is this Tamar and her Lover? http://www.mlahanas.de/Greeks/Mythology/HeroAndLeanderWilliamEtty.html

Thank you Mos, an excellent find.

Above we saw that the poem Arpa Sevan was written by Yuri Sahakian http://armenianhouse.org/sahakyan/bio-am.html Here is the composer of the tune, who in addition also composed the music for Erevan Erebuni http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Edgar_Hovhannisyan Each of the above deserve their own separate threads. We will come to that. Btw. Yuri is a substitute for Yervand.