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quote:Originally posted by MJ: No multiple identities, here. I do care. LOL... This was really funny!

quote:Originally posted by ara baliozian: Today many Armenians on the internet also write under false names, and why? Is it fear? Fear of what? When asked this question, a friend explained: "Fear of crazies – there are all kinds of them out there!" By crazies I suspect she meant irresponsible and cowardly riffraff who use the internet as a verbal garbage dump. Some of these Armenians, who pretend to be more patriotic than the rest of us, are not satisfied with a single alias but adopt as many a dozen, perhaps because deep inside somewhere they know what they are doing is so despicable that by ascribing it to several sources they hope to minimize their own responsibility. ara, honey! I know no one who might be an armenian writer besides you. Do you suspect someone? I don't. Besides I really think that the times and circumstances were different. We are in a cyber-discussion forum here. And not in Istanbul of 1915. Ara Baliozian - is this your pseudo? I don't really care who is he on the net. What counts is what is posted. There is no such a thing as classic identity on the web. Some build there identity through an innovative story-telling language, some build brand new caracters (personages) from scratch. Some prefer to keep their real names and real way of talking. So who cares, actually, who you are? I don't. What do you do, that actually counts more for me! Voila...

quote:Originally posted by MJ: The only thing that I know is that a former minister (Boghbadyan) has been jailed. Don't know any other details. What kind of underground source may I be, if you just revealed it? Not fear, honey! No one knows all of yo indentities. Besides noone seriously cares about it. Do you think someone reads our threads...

Brrrrrrrrrr! Something went wrong with this message... please, skip it! [ June 07, 2001: Message edited by: naira ]

I think everybody agrees that serious/criminal mistakes have taken place when privatizing ArmeniTel. Are there any serious accusations or investigations? This whole "ArmeniTel" story just makes me furious. So damn irresponsible and criminal. I hear many armenians saying that they are paying "dragon-style" bills and no quality improved. ArmeniTel was a moneylaundrying I guess. When and who did take the privatization decesion. And how many foreign companies are there. Got any idea? MJ, you are my undercover armenian link ... [ June 07, 2001: Message edited by: naira ]

quote:Originally posted by MJ: No problem with foreign ownerships. However, Nuclear Plants are national security issues in any country. They cannot be private, I think. In US Nuclear Plants are mostly private... Talking about Armintel's 90% ownership. May be it is important as well for some security reason's to keep the majority of shares governmental. Armintel is the monopolist. And there is no way to compete for other companies. If government had kept its majority it could at least regulate prices and policies in strategic areas of the national telecom market.

It's hard to imagin a private nuclear power plant in Armenia. What about 90% private Armintel? Armenia's telecom is almost completely belongs to a foreign investor. What d'you think about this?

quote:Originally posted by MJ: It is even harder to imagine private anything in (North) Korea. LOL ... and is it easy to imagine (North) Korea investing smth in Armenia?

quote:Originally posted by MJ: I think so. It's hard to imagin a private nuclear power plant in Armenia. Or 50% of steak in Korea? :-) .... I thought one could imagine all in Armenia. [ June 06, 2001: Message edited by: naira ]

quote:Originally posted by Gayane: Point #1: Let me bring you all down to earth (as much as I'm in seventh heaven myself, i gotta recognize reality...lol)...There is NO such thing as an ideal...Reality and all things ideal cannot coexist. Therefore, you can never have an IDEAL anybody. That said, Point #2: I know "doubt". Doubt is scary. It's torturous. I don't like doubt. Lol, I think I'm making myself clear. Anyway, any time you have doubt, you can't have "ideal". Since you speak of "bed time friends" (very cute, I have to admit), I'm assuming you mean ideal lover as in ideal in bed. But I wouldn't limit the discussion like that. To answer your question, yes I have met my "ideal" guy (I have no doubts), as ideal as they get anyway seeing as how I don't believe in the concept of "ideal". I prefer compatible. There, I can breathe now lol , much more realistic and much more "me"... What about a stranger you meet, and you berely know him? Then you feel like this guy makes your heart beat very fast...very...very...fast. Well, I'm avoiding further details...just a sober discussion... Then you have a great experience (like making love non-stop everywhere)... and there comes the moment when you say, oh boy, this is the ideal lover! Didn't it happen to you? To question yourself after each man. When you ask yourself: "Well the last time I was saying that this guy was my ideal lover? Hmm..."

quote:Originally posted by MJ: Yes, Naira, for example, few software companies. Additionally, the Yerevan Brandy Factory. Yerevan Aluminum Factory (if we consider Russia to be a European country). Hotel Armenia. I am sure there are few more. Yeah, right! Brandy factory is bought by French Paul Ricard multinational. Is the Metsamor Nuclear Power Station still 100% public?

quote:Originally posted by Gayane: Alright. First of all, thank you to Berj and MJ for stepping in for me while I was otherwise occupied. Naira, I do agree with some of your thoughts. And believe it or not, I do agree with you that Armenians should lighten up on certain topics. However, a certain level of decency WILL BE maintained on this forum,, especially in my sections. You've been advised of the Code of Conduct and I suggest you take it seriously. This is not a threat, it's simply a point of information. Please, stay on topic. That's all for now. Hi Gayane! Nice to meet you ... Hope you're doing well. Since you want to have certain level of [decency?] in your "sex, love, romance" section I'm quiet sure you will achieve it. I'm glad you have found some like-minders here, BTW Have fun, though! Best regards!

Yep, Serge Tchuruk is armenian from Marseille. His father was a merchant. I've read recently an article in the French newspaper "Liberation" (a week ago - 30.05.2001) that the murger with Lucent didn't work out: Alcatel-Lucent, échec d'une fusion Lucent a fini par dire non. La fusion avec Alcatel ne se fera pas. Au moins dans l’immédiat. A 22 h 30, à Paris, la nouvelle est tombée laconique: «Les négociations sont terminées et les entreprises ne feront pas d’autres commentaires.» Fin d’un suspense qui aura duré toute la soirée et laissé les dirigeants d’Alcatel dans l’expectative jusqu’au dernier moment. Toute la journée en effet, le groupe français était resté suspendu à l’accord de l’américain sur sa proposition de fusion. Et rares étaient ceux qui espéraient encore pouvoir déboucher le champagne hier soir. Dans l’après-midi, alors qu’il s’apprêtait à réunir son conseil d’administration, Serge Tchuruk, pdg d’Alcatel, recevait en effet un énième coup de téléphone de Lucent sur le thème: «N’annoncez rien de définitif.» La teneur de l’ambiance outre-Atlantique était donnée. Le conseil d’administration de Lucent était très divisé sur cette opération de fusion. Et Henry Schacht, pdg de Lucent, n’a manifestement pas réussi à lever les hésitations de ceux des membres de son conseil qui craignent, selon une source proche de l’équipementier américain, qu’«Alcatel ne veuille pas vraiment fonder une nouvelle compagnie, mais racheter tout simplement Lucent pour pouvoir mieux percer le marché américain et profiter de sa technologie». Le dossier paraissait pourtant bouclé à la fin du week-end. Dilemme. Retour sur quelques jours de folie. Dimanche soir, après quatre jours passés à huis clos au Château des Mesnuls, à 70 kilomètres de Paris, les équipes de direction d’Alcatel et de Lucent, accompagnées de leurs avocats et de leurs banquiers (une quarantaine de personnes au total) s’entendent sur les éléments essentiels du plan de fusion. Au terme de cette opération de rachat de Lucent par Alcatel à 35 milliards d’euros, la nouvelle entité sera détenue à 58 % par le Français et 42 % par l’Américain. Par ailleurs, et compte tenu de la situation financière difficile de Lucent, les deux parties conviennent qu’il n’y aura pas de prime versée aux actionnaires. Enfin, Serge Tchuruk s’impose comme PDG du nouveau groupe, et Henri Schacht, président de Lucent, vient en seconde position avec un titre de vice-président. Au moment de se séparer, les deux états-majors sont, semble-t-il, parvenus à régler les questions liées au périmètre d’activités de l’ensemble Alcatel-Lucent: notamment les semi-conducteurs (Agere Systems) et la fibre optique appartenant à Lucent. A l’heure de se dire «au revoir», les uns et les autres n’ont toujours pas signé d’accord définitif, mais un communiqué de presse annonçant la fusion est déjà prêt. Mais dès le lendemain matin, alors que les Américains sont repartis chez eux, les choses ne semblent plus aussi simples que la veille. De retour au siège (dans le New Jersey), les dirigeants de Lucent se retrouvent visiblement face à un dilemme: comment présenter à l’Amérique tout entière ce qui est censé être une «fusion entre égaux» et qui est en fait une prise de contrôle par un groupe français ? Avec une parité à 58/42 en faveur des Français, avec un PDG français, les Américains ne voient qu’une chose dans cette opération: l’abandon d’un fleuron de l’industrie américaine. A l’intérieur du conseil de l’équipementier américain aucune homogénéité. Certains barons expriment ouvertement leur patriotisme et refusent de voir leur groupe passer sous la coupe française. D’autres parlent du prix payé par Alcatel qui ne serait pas assez élevé, ou des BellLabs, les laboratoires de recherche de Lucent, pépinière de prix Nobel et joyau de l’équipementier américain qu’il ne faudrait vendre à aucun prix. Tout aussi patriotiques mais plus pragmatiques, d’autres encore préféreraient, à une fusion globale, la vente des activités de Lucent par appartements. A commencer par l’activité «fibre optique» dont le prix pourrait s’élever à 5 milliards de dollars (5,8 milliards d’euros), et pour laquelle l’italien Pirelli est déjà candidat. Recul… Depuis lundi donc, en France et aux Etats-Unis, plus personne n’est sûr de rien, et tout ce qui avait été conclu semble remis à plat. Pendant cette journée infernale, les Américains ne cessent d’appeler les Français et reviennent sur chaque point de la négociation du week-end. Avec un abcès de fixation: la «corporate governance», en gros, le management du nouvel ensemble. Les dirigeants de Lucent exigent la parité des administrateurs au conseil. Ils réclament aussi des précisions sur le rôle exécutif et opérationnel de Henry Schacht comme vice-président. Et chipotent même sur le patronyme à donner au nouveau groupe. Les dirigeants de Lucent font la tournée de leurs principaux actionnaires pour les sonder sur l’opportunité française. Certains auraient estimé que si Alcatel voulait «décorer» Lucent, la compagnie française devrait alors payer «le prix fort» et leur verser une prime de rachat. L’accueil est tiède, voire négatif. Tout semble compromis déjà. Hier, les coups de fil entre la France et les Etats-Unis se font plus rares. Comme si tout le monde s’était fait à l’idée que la fusion n’aurait pas lieu. Même si rien de tel n’a été dit. En France, on se demande comment on a pu passer d’un accord stratégique industriel solide entre Serge Tchuruk et Henry Schacht à une telle confusion. Et lassitude. Lucent, en panne depuis plus d’un an, cherche une sortie honorable. Après avoir entamé des discussions avec l’allemand Siemens et avec le suédois Ericsson – qui n’ont pas abouti –, le groupe américain a fini par renoncer à l’alliance française. Mais tant en France qu’aux Etats-Unis, personne ne voulait croire que ce «no» soit définitif. Dans son for intérieur, le PDG d’Alcatel serait même persuadé que, d’ici quelque temps, Lucent n’aura d’autre choix que de revenir vers son groupe. A cette ombre près que, hier soir, Alcatel annonçait une prévision de perte nette de 3 milliards d’euros pour le deuxième trimestre, liée à des «dépréciations exceptionnelles» pour faire face à «l’environnement contrasté du secteur»…. [ June 06, 2001: Message edited by: naira ]

quote:Originally posted by MJ: EU countries is also being developed, particularly with Belgium, France, Great Britain, Germany, Italy, Greece. 'There are about 150 enterprises in Armenia partially or wholly based on European capital. Our businessmen more often find business partners in different European countries, and we promote the attraction of European capital into the Armenian economy. MJ, do you know any enterprise in Armenia based on european capital besides Armintel?

quote:Originally posted by circassian: Largely thanks to people like you who have been indoctrinated to believe "whatever" the cost in terms of personal slandering & indivisual accountability are , it's worth it because the receipient is turk. Hi circassian! Still working out the bst recipe? I shall reserve the right to judge until the Ottoman Archives are fully analized & it's contents revealed. Well, Ottoman Archives will not prove or disaprove what happened. They can play some important role for turks, who still are looking for diasproval... The fact of genocide is not measured by the number of states having recognised the Armenian Genocide. It won't either depend on Armenians who, let's imagine, will give up their cause and drop all their movements and revendications. The fact of genocide can be proven by two arguments. 1.) Absence of Armenian population in Modern Turkey after the end of WWI and few more years after that. No historian (even denialist) will affirm that armenians did not populate the Eastern Turkey before 1895 or 1915. There was an importnat Armenian population in Eastern Turkey with all cultural, ethnical and social institutions. Between 1915-1922 this population (mostly christian) has suddenly diasappeared. If we were talking about dinosaures, then we could still doubt the reason of their disappeareance. Fifty thousand years later. The disappeareance of Armenians took place 86 years ago. When the human society was more shaped, human memory was much fresher and media means were already existing to capture those events and bring some testimonies. Armenia during its all history was dozenly invaded, pulled into bloody and long-lasting devastating conflicts, but never ... never ... after all bloodshed and massacres ... organised by foreigners, armenians did abandon their homeland without being forced to do so. You cannot suppose that this nation which had a pretty rich "survivor's" resume did leave the land of its grandparents because of hunger, desease or a natural disaster (earthquake, flood). Even if meteorites did hit and burnt the land, armenians wouldn't have left their homes. The only reason for such a weird disappeareance could be a "planified" massive extermination policy organised on governmental level, ending by forced deportation... Do you have other reasons why Armenians could leave their homelands? They were often invaded and massacred by persians, bysanthians, by monghols and tatars, by romans, by seldjuks, by Sultan Hamid? ... So why didn't they leave before. And how d'you explain to yourself that they have massively disappeared between 1915-1922? What is your hypothesis? 2) Second argument is more severe. Even if armenians did give up their revendications. The world had captured the horrors of Armenian Genocide. Their tones of information (written, typed, filmed, recorded) by those who were no turks and they were not armenians either. So by saying that the Ottoman Archives will lighten the "myth" of Armenian Genocide , as many turks call it, sounds more hypocritical excuse to take a revanche on denying it by more arguments, than a sober will to find out more proofs. Proofs exist in archives of other Nations. So if you want to believe into something you didn't witness, try to read what others wrote on this issue. The Turkish position is no more a secret. It is a "denialist". Besides, I cannot fully trust a Governments which has financed during the years lobbying to deny the Genocide, the Government which during many years had covered the crimes of Ottoman Turkey, will keep the Archives intact. Why Turkish Government waits more than 86 years to open its Archives, which can help her to clean its past. Are you sure that Turkish Government does not systematicaly clean out its Archives of unwanted evidences. As for documents, for me the witnessing of Germans is quiet enough. Germany was Turkey's ally during the WWI. Who could better than Germany stand forits ally. But unconcsiously, probably, many testimonies came out from Germany... and they will continue to come out. The documentalists are working with German archives as well. So, don't you think that testimonies of third parties it's enough as a nevidence for one who doesn't know what we are talking about? I diss the your cause because you are presenting it as a benchmark for humanity. This part I have to object because if you have really cared about "HUMANS" in general rather then "ARMENIAN HUMANS" in particular then you could have rightfully expected my support for your fight to have your people's suffering marked in the history as a benchmark to humanity in general. Excuse me but this is rediculous. I don't know what do you mean by this statement. If you mean armenians, as ethnic people, or armenian diasporan institutions. To whom is adressed your subject? If this is addressed to all armenians. I'm sorry, but armenians are not supposed to be saints. I'm really sorry to diasppoint you. There are some good folks and there some important amount of bustards. BTW, during the recent war in Osetia and in Georgian civil wars, armenians were the target of attacks from both sides. Many armenians were living with georgians and many armenians were living with abkhazians. I had some far relatives who lived in Soukhoumi and Gagra. Many of amrmenians were fighting with abkhaz independantists shoulder to shoulder. Many armenians were soldiers and officers on georgian side. Do you know how many armenians have died killing each other, because from both sides they were considering themselves patriots of the land for which they stood up. Isn't it enough human for you? Do you blame those who were fighting for abkhazians, or may be you want to blame those who were fighting for georgians? What is it so inhuman in their behaviour? May be because they loved the land so much? No way! Many of those who didn't want to fight, took their cars and went to Russia (1-2 hours drive by car). When I was in Sochi I've seen those so-called patriots from Abkhazia who were having fun in casions and night clubs. They were from different sides: abkhazians, georgians and armenians as well? But the majority was fighting on the frontlines. Should I like or dislike someone? Should I make some preferences on who was more human in this war? Do you know how many armenians died in Lebanon during the civil war which has ruined that country? Do you know how many armenians were involved in Iran-Iraq war? They were fighting from both sides. Because they were citizens of the country they lived in. Isn't it enough HUMAN blood donation for a nation which have been already subject to extermination from Turkish blood-suckers in 1915? Wherever Armenians lived they were in some cases more patriotic than the locals. You cannot say that we do not care when others blood is wasted. Circassian, I don't know what are you looking for? You want to justify what happened to us in Turkey or you want to understand? If you want to understand. I hope I have contributed a little bit to it... [ June 05, 2001: Message edited by: naira ] [ June 05, 2001: Message edited by: naira ]

quote:Originally posted by ara baliozian: as for introducing armenians to themselves: i have been trying to do that without much success, alas! / ara LOL... I see your genle reminder, Maestro! Bravo!

quote:Originally posted by ara baliozian: In his memoirs (LES MOTS) Sartre himself is willing to concede that most of his early thought was misguided. His honesty was one of his most admirable qualities and I admire him for it. But again the central message of his philosophy (a combination of Husserl and Marx) has been bypassed. He is part of world literature, of course, and his name will never be forgotten; but compared to his position of eminence when he was alive, his stock has gone down considerably. By contrast, Camus’ has gone up – always comparatively speaking, of course…perhaps because Camus was smart enough not to be taken in by Soviet propaganda. Another writer who has been gaining in reputation is Marcel Proust. Still another whose stock has gone down is Kazantzakis… If we strayed too far from our original thread, please ignore this! I'm not going to ignore this, honey! In the contrary I start enjoying to meet you so often. I find you charming and so viril. Because you are the one of those rare "survivors" of Armenian literature who do not give up and still continue to strugle. One of those thinkers who lead probably "bohemian life" but still drink water from "public" spring, puting themselves in the same row with regular mortals. May be you'll find your ultimate work as many Maestros who launch themselves "en quête de soi-même à travers les autres" eternal process. I don't know what would happen to us if writers like you didn't exist in this forum. Probably I'll answer with the words of Jean-Paul Sartre: "Le monde peut fort bien se passer de littérature. Mais il peut se passer de l'homme encore mieux..."

Thanks, THOTH! You are such a bad boy! Mmmm! Delicious!

quote:Originally posted by Berj: Disnay Land! Good! Now you said what you think, so be more tolerant to others opinions...Mr. moderator! I think that the attraction of black men is in their "BIG ENGINE" myth... and lot more of course...

What is the attraction of black men?

quote:Originally posted by THOTH: Back on topic (a bit more perhaps...sorry to [again] spoil the fun atmosphere) - one vote (a women as it turns out) killed this Canadian resolution. Does anyone have any detail on her motivation...etc? I'll return on a less serious atmosphere...I prefer, THOTH! You are such a bad boy!... But may be it is a serious consideration about the woman who cut the resolution. The reason may be is in her being "malbaisée" as say French. Ask Domino he knows what does that mean... I have already, a very bad reputation. I can't again launch myself in explanations which abuse the use of "foul" language. BTW was it something I said? (LOL) Or just general practice for us "bad" boys. You are smart enough to understand it, THOTH! I saw you & Thorny's comments concerning having guys under your control...I bet...(perhaps it is an angle for influencing the UN [predominantly men...no suprise eh?]) I never use the sexual attraction for promoting my ideas ...never...THOTH. I count on you to beleive me at least on this one!

THOTH, bad boy, I'm gonna spank you, indeed!

quote:Originally posted by ara baliozian: sorry again: i too must disagree.... sartre's marxism and rapprochement with stalin and support of cuba's castro have dimninished his stature as a thinker. his thinking was motivated not by objective analysis but by his hatred of the french bourgeoisie of which he was himself a member. i hate the bourgeoisie too, regardless of nationality, but i don't allow it to blind me to the dangers and crimes of fascism... I thought we were talking about the influence and historic personalities who stayed in human history. I'm avoiding to discuss Sartre philosophy. It's much more large scaled and controversial than those those critics who label his thoughts by narrowing it and decorating with a cream of communist doctrine. Ara, we were talking about influencial personalities. And about "introducers"... look where we came up to! See the difference, honey?

This is an Armenian Forum and foul language is not typical to Armenian public culture. foul language is not typical to Armenian Public culture? To which public culture it is typical! Ehe-he-he, I feel some fundementalism here! Common, free me of your cheap "propaganda" crap, please! This is my last warning, Berj! I won't reply to your messages if I feel such a "shauvinistic" statement again! I heard enough of your bullshit on "rabiz" social class, now you're trying to teach me what is typical to Armenian "public culture". I don't see here any analytic mind. Sorry! If someone is not able to present his thoughts in colorful way without using foul language, that already tells a lot. True! It is important to have some language skills to be able to concretise one's thoughts. But the choice of words is a part of freedom. According to you, if Vladimir Visotski, Snoop Doggy Dog or Leo Ferré did use some amount of censored words, they did not have a colorful language. I prefer their "foul" language then the "refined" language, which contains nothing but a "collection" of impressive words without any logical or emotional context. Foul language? Who are you trying to fool? Did you read some ara baliozian's thoughts? Do you think that the word "bitch" he used, because he is a vulgar writer? Don't you think some of those jokes in "Humour" section are less vulgar and nonsense, because you can't find any bad word in them? What a primitive speculation you foul language argument? If we do not use censorship, the forum is being filled in with kilometers of garbage (to make it look cheap). Don't worry for readers, they are ripe enough to figure out what they read. Let them judge on their own, ok! Talking about cheap and garbage! May be one should have a "precise" and careful look on his own messages, before trying to make any classification. It is arrogant to consider what one dislikes to be cheap and garbage. Do you know many cheap and garbage messages in this forum? So ... Go and tell this to them who have posted. And wait their reaction, please! You must understand that the level of the participants is not always in agreement with simple standarts of communication and the use of foul language by one may bring others to conclusion that they also can do what they think is OK. I'm saying again. If by foul language you mean "bad" words like Jerk, ****, Shit, Whore, Bitch, then try to see in which context they have been used. If this is an insult. Try to prevent the users who insult from repeating these words. You are a moderator, if you're thinking there is an offense to somebody's personality. Try to prevent, gently! But again, I would rather ignore this type of messages, or ban the systematic violator to access this forum. And it would be easier for me to handle my moderator duties! Have fun BTW, which you seems to be missing in HyeForum! [ June 04, 2001: Message edited by: naira ] [ June 04, 2001: Message edited by: naira ]

What do you do when you here on your tv set "****, jerk, dick, kiss, sucks"? Did you put a sound filter? I don't mind the use of this words. It should be viewed in the context. You cannot just cut a message when someone says: "Sexists are jerks" or "Bill Gates sucks!" I understand that their some bruts who will use bad words and bad names to insult their opponents. I have been a witness of such messages, myself I've got some "temperamentful" reaction from certain category of readers. This is rather an exception, than a rule in HeyForum. I'm not fond of cutting messages, because someone called me "whore". I think it's a conversation. And taking out a messages from the thread looses the whole order of conversation. I can stand for me. I cam imagine there are could be some users who might be less willing to react. In this case the moderator can react in his place. Besides there are many ways to calm down a brut. First to react and talk to him. If he is not convinced give him some warnings. And after all there are bad word filters who replace by (*) asterisk all possible bad words. You can enhance the list of filtered words. I'm against censorship, Berj! May be I'm too western, as it may sound for you, but I was like this in Eastern world as well! [ June 04, 2001: Message edited by: naira ]