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Before the Nagorno-Artsax war we had also 160.000 ethnic azeris living in Armenia. They left the country for known reasons, as 700.000 ethnic armenians fled Azerbaijan. This was a horrible time. I had a schoolfriend Farkhad (a very funny guy), he spoke better armenian than azeri. Their family didn't want to leave. They stayed till the end. I remember Yerevan before Artsax, we had a large azeri community. But we didn't succeed to keep them in Yerevan. They left driven by fear. And they had reasons for that. While azeris were murdering armenians in Baku in Yerevan people were becoming more and more intolerant with their azeri neighbours. But I did not see any of yerevani to rob or kill azeris. And I think our government at that time took some serious messures to protect azeris. But the destiny of armenian azeris depended a lot from the war spiral. Then the chaos came into Yerevan, were even armenians felt themselves unsafe. I can imagine, if azeris stayed what could happen to them. Though because of all economic crisis and war for Nagorno-Artsax, many ethnic minorities left Armenia, I think armenian government should have taken more favourable measures to keep them living in Armenia. I know, some of you, will say that armenian govenrment can't do anything. Many armenians left their country because of economic crisis. So how it could stimulate the stay of ethnic minorities who were starving in Armenia again because of economic difficulties. I don't know. I think living in a monoethnic society sucks, and we're gonna miss ethnic diversity if armenian society won't take more care for ethnic minorities in Armenia.

this is for a guy who's name is Artur ----------- You know I didn't go through Koran... I regret that I didn't do it. I will certainly. When I'll be less lazy. It is a book for me... I don't know why I've got the feeling that as many books to read a 'wonderful' idea you have to read also tones of useless lines accompanied like a sauce to a good steak. I've tried once to follow the Ramadan. I quit smoking, making love :-) [what a religion?], I've reduced my daily ratio of all earthly sins to minimum... But I'm too lazy. So I quit after 15 days. It's a pure torture... an excersie for mazochists. The only positive thing. I've lost a bit of my weight. Though when I see many folks working out their bodies and keeping a 'starving' diet regime, I think they are religious as well... may be not moslims, but it is a kind of religion which become more and more popular among all ethnicities.

quote:Originally posted by Domino: Armenians indentity is more based on their common cultures that language is a big part of. We can not cathegorise Armenians that are atheist as not Armenians. Who we are to say they are Armenians or not ? Why a Christian Armenian should be more Armenian then a Muslim one ? Who is enought knowledgebale to determine who is a true Armenian ? Ignorence is the base of this kind of statments. Here is a link to who's want to read about Muslim Armenians, they represent one of the biggest group in the black see, numbering some hundreds of thousands. http://www.fas.harvard.edu/~lingpub/misc/b.../forgot%7E1.pdf Good reading. My mother is Hamshentsi. She is from Krasnodar region in Southern Russia. She isn't moslim, but she knew the existence of moslim armenians and lately I met a student who was studing ethnology in the university. She introduced me for the first time to the reality of armenian moslims. I was young, and that was a big time to think over the religion issue. I never felt myself religious. I loved going to churchs to listen to the organ music and the choral singing. I've been in mosquee. Secretly. But I've been. I never tried yet to enter a synagogue, but I've seen inside while standing outside. I've heard in the top of this thread someone's sayings about what the real armenian should be. I think it is just rediculous and pathetic, to imagine that being an armenian got something to do with religion. Our history starts far before the christianity... so think over it too. I think for many arabs being a moslim has to do a lot with the fact that this religion was brought by an arab and koran is writen in arabic language. The same way feel jews, I guess, about judaism. When I think what is the reason to prefer one religion to another while they all are directed to the same old myth 'GOD'. Is this because we have to follow traditions instored by our grandparents, or it is about protecting ethnic identity? I find no conveincing replies. If it is about following traditions, I'd say traditions change. And the worst of them often do disappear. If it is about identity. I think christianity has nothing to do with our ethnic "identity". Yes it has influenced our way of living, our culture, it helped to stay different while we were invaded. But as soon as we found ourselves in a christian-dominated country we assimilated easily and dissappeared as ethnicity. So what is it? Why the hell we are christians?

quote:Originally posted by ara baliozian: But a writer is neither a therapist nor a priest: he is first and foremost a witness; he cannot adjust his testimony to specific individual needs. He must be loyal only to truth, which, we are told, has the power to set us free. Not bad! .................; Looks like your vision of writing is to be "loyal only to truth". How the hell you know what is the truth? Or you think what is truth for you should be be the truth for all. What do you know about truth? You sound like a fiction! Your writings reflect that liquid substance which a human being desires to feel on his skin each time he masturbates his brain. lucky ones know what happens to that substance, once it arrived...it dries out as fast as it arrived and disappears to nothing ... and what's left then? Go figure.

your thoughts are mostly questions, and those which are not, do not seem to be answers.

quote:Originally posted by Tornado: Dear Nvard name Ruben exists in many countries. If the Basque is a Caucasian language is never been proved, it has some grammatical similarity with Georgian but more with Chechen... If you ask any Megrel, why they speak differently from georgians and you'll ask if there are other ethnicities who have common roots to Megrel language, you'll hear always the same answer : "Basque" Russian and many european (Spanish, French) ethnologues tried to explain and research the similarities not only (linguistic) but also physical and cultural between basques and megrels. But as I know there were no serious confirmations that these two ethnicities form one family (not enough historic material, only hypotesus). Though its well known that basque and megrels have lots of stuff in common, ethnic games, clothes, words, even names have rassemblance. I think the last word isn't said yet. Because the research is still going on. There are questions like: Who migrated first? Megrels to Spain, or may be basques migrated to Georgia.

Here is a georgian joke. I liked this one, because I know well georgians and their sense of humour. It's flat, but killing. A question: "Why armenians don't like playing basketball?" Answer: "Because they do not like putting things in other people's basket". [ May 27, 2001: Message edited by: naira ]

quote:Originally posted by MosJan: Naira Jan Welcome to HyeForum - S` Xleb Solyem . MOvses S xlebom i soliu, MJ!

Painter Archil Gorki is another knwon armenian. His "toiles" are exposed in NY's MOMA and many other famous museum collections worldwide. He lived in Greenwhich and known as a one of inniniators of action abstractionism. He died in 1944.

Djorkayeff lives in French town Lyon's 'little armenia'. He is a well-known soccer player. Often makes european sports newsheadlines. _______ http://www.armenianforums.com Visit ArmenianForums.com we are in Europe, but we welcome all for open discussions

quote:Originally posted by Berj: [QB]...As to the deputy minister of Industry and Trade Armen Grigorian, it is planned to invest about $30 mln for the development of information technologies in Armenia in 2001. ...[QB] $30 mln is what as minimum serious western information start-ups raise during their fundraising campaign. And this is the governmental investment of Armenia for the development of information technologies. Redicilous sum! Someone in boards was talking about Armenia becoming Sillicon Valley. where do you get money for that? Dream dreamer!

quote:Originally posted by alpha: According to your last post MJ it’s the politics that drives economics, yet the example of some Asian economies, notably Indonesia and Philippines show the opposite. I think Armenia’s problem is the lack of commercial banks that will become major players in economy. There is absolutely no financial infrastructure to promote economic growth. Philippines and Indonesia have a large maritime zones, which Armenia doesn't have. Secondly Indonesia and Philipnes have a very low social security policy (if none at all). Armenia needs peace and peaceful neighbours. It's islolated by neighbouring Turkey, Azerbaijan, instability in Georgia and by Iran which is not an economic eldorado either. Besides Iran, is isolated itself because of its islamic regime. Most of transportation routes to Armenia go by air, this boost prices and makes armenian products expensive. No competetion with Russian, Georgian or even Turkmen products. Armenia needs peace and transportation routes.

quote:Originally posted by Berj: [QB]...Armenia, or the Transcaucasia as a whole, can develop tourism only in 2 cases: 1. Russia collapses furthermore, totaly losing control over anything in Trascaucasia and the EU structures start functioning. 2. US moves out of the region leaving the control to Russia and the EU...QB] Berj, if Russia collapses furthermore, totaly losing control over anything in Trascaucasia, Armenia will find itself in the epicentre of more bitter conflicts. Russia is more important for Armenia geopoliticaly than any other world power (EU or US)

Legendary Mentashev (Mentashian). Which is well-known personage among soviet armenians, but forgotten by "international" business historians. Meanwhile he was once Russia's richest man, he had stocks of Norwegian Akzo Nobel (if i spelled correctly) oil Company as well. He had discovered the oil in Baku (Azerbaijan). There are lots of funny stories (anecdotes) about him. He was known as a very big "miser", not surprising, otherwise he wouldn't have become an oil magnat :-) Here is one of those stories. Mentashev had a habitual hairdresser in Baku. Which he paid always 1 rouble for his haircut. Once the hairdresser (armed with braveness) decided to ask a question. "Mr Mentashev why your son pays me always 10 roubles for his haircut, and you only 1?". "Because he is a son of Mentashev. And me? Who's son am I?" - replied with irony Mentashev. _______ http://www.armenianforums.com Visit ArmenianForums.com we are in Europe, but we welcome all for open discussions

I know this is a very discussible announcement, but i'm publishing this in case someone will finally find out the truth. I did not have time to make research on it, but i heard from many non-armenians from Rostov and Moscow, saying that the constructor (designer) of TU airplanes was armenian as well. Rumours were that he's real name is Topolian and he is from Rostov's armenian heritage. As you know the city of Rostov was founded by armenians. For many years it was known as Nor-Nachichevan. But then renamed in Rostov. There is one of Russia's most impressive armenian community. About 200.000 folks. I know that the actual mayor of Rostov doesn't seem to like armenians and he does all to rub off the armenian heritage of the city. On the official Rostov city website you won't find anything on armenians in town's so-called official history.

Gary Kasparoff is a metisse (armenian mother, jewish father). His father died when he was 7 years old. He grew up with his mother's family in Baku (Azerbaijan). He was one of the last armenians to leave Azerbaijan, after azeri population organised massive pogroms on armenians in 1990-1991

Evgeni Vachtangov is one of the Russia's most well-known theater directors. He was born in Vladikavkaz (capital of Osetia, Northern Caucasus, Russia). His father became a rich merchant (and he russified his name). He didn't want to deal with his armenian heritage. Vachtangov in his memoirs tells the story of his armenian grandfather who was leaving in a separete small poor house, built especially for him by his own son. (his son was ashamed of his armenian father) Vachtangov loved his grandfather and never approved his father's humiliating behavior. Nowdays in Moscow's center (Stariy Arbat) you will find National Dramatic Theater of Evgeni Vachtangov. It is considered a very prestigious theater in Russia.

During World War 2 USSR, had Admiral Isakov in the head of Baltic navy forces. (Isakov-Isaakian) I don't remember exactly when and where lived Admiral Serebriakov but it was a russian admiral (I was told that his real name was Artsatgortsian)