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quote:Originally posted by Thorny Rose: Hello, Naira! I just remembered when I saw your name, you had told me about thinking pronouncing Armenian was hard but Abkhazian was like, weeew, that's right, it's nuts, all those whistling sounds! Don't remember the thread and am too lazy to search. Hadn't had the time to respond then! Later! Take care! Hi TRose, I don't remember the name of that thread either ... LOL. But I remember this topic. Yeah, Abkhazian sounds weird too. I never succeeded to pronounce smth that folks could understand. So you speak Abkhazian? It's pretty nice to know that your ancestors conserved the language. Do you understand people from Abkhazia when they talk?

quote:Originally posted by Paul bunyan: how about female warlords? they had them in Europe like Boudicca of England or Joan of Arc who commanded an entire Army and confered with the top eschelon including the King not bad for a teenager, there was a Queen Zenobia who fought Rome for 14 years and the er..., "unforgetable", Cleopatra, there is painting in Armenia of the battle of Avayair of Vartan Mamigonian fame one of his fighters is clearly female. Does anyone know her name and story? no hashish forever I have heard of one Armenian queen her name was Mary-Louys and she was .... pretty ... pretty nasty woman? Anyone knows about who am talking?

Ara, honey! Well-said! I liked what you have said.... You are improving "bohemian" writer. I'm still your fidel reader. But do not hope me to let you quiet.... This post was exceptionaly formidable!

quote:Originally posted by MJ: Needless to say that this is not a universal understanding. I agree with you, MJ! That's why I'am saying we've got lots of job still to do. Modernise our mentality. Get rid of useless fears and pride. The pride is a relative understanding which doesn't border with patriotism. I think the limit between a patriot and a fanatic nationalist draws over that fragile thread where patriotism becomes local or worse - regional. There is one patriotism - the one which helps us survive on every land. Ptriotism for the earth where we live. Earthly things are forgotten by patriots, but badly exploited by "nationalists".

quote:Originally posted by Rouben Malayan: Dear compatriots, I'm planning to design and put online a website for Armenian community in Netherlands. The original plan was to do it with help of Ararat Club in Amsterdam, I went there looking to awake interest in such project, but found nothing but indifference. I was truly disappointed to see that Ararat has become nothing but a place for some people to defend their interests and satisfy their ego, while nothing is being done to improve the communication butween people, promote culural events, etc. If we compare the activities of Armenian community in France to the one in Netherlands, we'll see that virtually nothing is being done here for almost 30 years. So I made a decision to go ahead with the website without their help or co-operation, hopefully there will be some people who can help with fundings on later stage. The site is very much needed, we need to appeal mostly to the young people, to awake the interest in their language and culture. Me and my friends are also planning to establish an Armenian Youth Club, is there a better way to attract people than a beautiful website with a lot of information and ideas? I would be very pleased if people will respone to my appeal and help with realization of this project. We need a webhost (in Europe preferrably), with a good hosting plan (no limit to storage and reliability 24 hours a day) and I also ask those who would like to publish previously unavailable online material, please contribute to the site. The purpose of the website is very broad, it will cover many aspects of being diaspora armenian, give young armenians (most of them don't even speak armenian, nor know enough about their own culture and heritage) tools to communicate, learn and eventually work together to help their country. We must take action and quick, time is not on our side. 2 years ago I wanted to build an interactive website which would teach armenian language online, in 2 dialects, but never could accomplish such task alone. My requests for assistance found virtually no respone. I would be delighted to include this important subject on the tasklist of this project. If you are interested in helping (with any means, sponsoring, contributing material, etc) please write to me at ararat@15levels.com">ararat@15levels.com I promise to give full credit to those who will help us lift this project. The domain of the site will be (I am negotiating with the russian newspaper

quote:Originally posted by MJ: Since we have opened a thread on Turkish Nationalism (in our International forum), I felt compelled to also open a thread on Armenian Nationalism. I am convinced that the Armenian nationalism, much like it has been in the last quarter of the 19th and the first quarter of the 20th centuries, remains the gravedigger of the future of Armenia. In my view nationalism is not characteristic to the Armenian essence and psyche, but is artificially planted in the some Armenians, which has resulted in blurring of the dividing line between nationalism and patriotism. This implantation of nationalistic sentiment has created a state of duality in the Armenian mass psyche, moreover, in the psyche of the ruling circles, and has, in my view, resulted in lose of perspective. As paradoxical as it may sound from the onset, I think that the nationalism and patriotism are two very different categories – one invites disgust, the other one invites admiration. The driving force of nationalism is the hate towards other nations (adversaries or enemies). The one for patriotism is the love for one’s own nation and country. Armenian nationalism, as any other nationalism, by in large drinks from the spring of hate. On such capacity, this feeling doesn’t necessarily imply patriotism. As a matter of fact, the nationalists, as a rule, wouldn’t give damn about our country, as long as Turkey (and Azerbaijan) go to hell. According to my observations, nationalism is more characteristic to the Armenian Diaspora, rather than the population of Armenia. It is resulted from a significant identity crisis among some significant segments of Armenian Diaspora. I recall a statement made in a speech few years ago, on April 24th, by an otherwise moderate Armenian young man, a sociologist, a university Professor, son of a family of renowned Armenian writers for a couple of generations. He said: “Our identity as Armenians derives from the Genocide.” Later in the evening I approached him (our children used to maintain relationship at the time), and told him that my identity as an Armenian derives from the Armenian soil and heritage, and having my ancestors perished equally with his ancestors in the hands of the Ottomans, I don’t define my identity through the Genocide, and I would readily associate my identity with the future of Armenia, rather than its past. However, I thought there was something very symptomatic in his statement. Armenian nationalism is somewhat rediculous. Once I've met an Armenian man. Married, 2 kids. His wife in the same hotel. And he was trying to chat in my room at the national interests and patriotism. I didn't like this man. But I couldn't put him out of my room, if my friend didn' invite him beofre I arrived. After a friendly dinner, we drank and we talked about different issues. Finally I said that I did sleep with moslims. That news made him turn red and blue and white. He got furious and let all his patriotic feelings go out. I just was tired and really in a very bad mood. I opened my door and I asked him to leave my room. No one could say anything. Because they have seen I was very serious... He got kicked out of my room and I never said hello to this guy. Such an *******. According to him we should stay pure and real christians. What an idiot theory! What a useless dogmatism! How cheap and rediculous!!!! And the worst thing is that idiots like him find sometimes many supporters. It's our fault that we do not speak out what we do think about our schit. There are many *******s among us. And we should be intellegint and espacially TOLERANT enough to re-educate them and find some new nation-wide inspirations. If we'll stay passive we'll loose our identity in between some pure-blooded "ego-centric" lunatics and "feticho" fake-faithful christians. What a company? I agree with MJ, that it's better to spend some time with a funny and interesting Turk, than to waste some time with an idiot Armenian. Be patient, please! We have lots of work still to do. Oh, yeah!

ali, I won't be so pessimist while analysing Russia's future. It leaves a very though period of mutation. Such a huge organism as appears Russia, cannot traverse a mutation itinery without painful cataclismes and hardships. Russia is a Great Power and it will make its come back on the world arena. It's a young nation alike France, UK, Germany and Turkey. But the difference is that it lays from Norway to Japan. It will never let itself be ignored. Russia has very clear ambitions and I'm sure it will overcome soon its domestic political and economic crisis. Then it will have its say. Russians never had been left to choose their future. It's the first time that their applying for this challenge. And I'm sure Russia will come out a stable and alternative world power. Since EU is in the stage of development. USA became the only world power without any contre-balance. This is pretty dangerous! It's damn dangerous. I think Russia, EU, China should contre-balance USA, until strong International institutions will be finaly established... Then we'll make a path towards one unique civilisation. Don't you think?

quote:Originally posted by Boghos: Turkey is a very peculiar country in the way it developed its political institutions. It also has a "shifted to the right" political spectrum. These have important implications in the way the state conducts its affairs both domestically and internationally. Can we expect anything positive, from an Armenian perspective, within the current modus operandi of the Turkish state ? It depends from which Armenian perspective we are dealing with Turkey. When it comes from Armenia, I think Armenia should keep up its efforts to launch a serious dialogue with Turkey. And at the same time to keep strenghtening its media influence on Turkish society, like Radio or TV programmes destinated for turkish-speaking audience. It's a the most pacifist way of destroying the "myth" of Armenians being enemies. Secondly, if we approach Turkey from Armenian Diaspora efforts, than we should make more accent on the Human rights and the Genocide affirmation issues. I think in this direction, most of all-armenian non-profit or even political organisations should take the initiative. How is that possible? You may ask. I'd say organising cultural, humanitarian or scientifique conferences and events with the participation of turkish intellegentsia or citizens. The summer camps for youth. Why not organise in sunny California or in sunny Armenia (LOL...) some camps for kids and their parents who want to exchange experience. Imagine turkish kids and armenian kids in the same resort. Difficult, but that could be a very positive programme. I don't think that we have to wait until Turkish society changes, or its political ambiance becomes more open-minded or peaceful. Armenians should make more precise exchange programmes. Only that way we'll try to change or influence changes in positive non-violent, non-confronting way. Saying that Turkey is nationalistic and millitarised society won't change anything. The constation of a fact should apply for some actions in order to bring changes. That was my point, Beau gosse! [ June 21, 2001: Message edited by: naira ]

quote:Originally posted by Berj: Whatever. I'll just edit the part your post about Urartu, because it's a misinformation.. In that case, it's better to bring some contre-arguments or any information you think is necessary to object mine, without being such an "arse-itcher" with me. Sorry, Berj! You seem to have more personal problems with me than with your "being" worried about the historic truth or objectiveness. Now, let me alone. I'm saying this, again, otherwise, you'll be simply ignored. I mean it!

quote:Originally posted by MosJan: THE GROUP ENVOLVED IN THE MACHINATIONS IN ENERGETIC SPHERE HAS BEEN ARESSTED 19.06.2001 /PanARMENIAN.Net/. With the prosecution of involvement in theft in the energetic sphere 1992-1999, a number of officials have been arrested. According to the public prosecutor of Armenia, Aram Tamazyan, the question is that they are the officials of the middle group. The criminal cases will be send to the court during the next weeks. As the agency "Arka" informs,the temporary parliament commission, studied the offenses in the energosector, found out that as a result of machinations in 90s, the Republic was inflicted the damage of $200 million. This is just another example of national suicide. In the situation that Armenia lives today, such cases can be considered as cases of "national traihison". This guys should get the toughest capital punishment. Of course, I'm not talking about the Death Penalty. But life inprisonment, will cool some hot heads, who are wasting public money, by putting the country under eternal slavery and dependance. What can be more tragic in Today's Armenian political cercles than the acts of corruption commited by high rank politicians who hold the economic and political stability and the future of the state in their hands. When, I'm saying, that there is no dialogue between the Armenian people and the government. This case is an exemple. Why the government is waiting for another "trouble", why it doesn't take more serious steps to fight the "corruption". Do they need civil unrest, or another "Revolution"?

Common guys, dream more...! BTW, I'm not at all McKinsey or Ernst & Young stuff. I'd rather participate in development Armenia's Media Infrastructure. TV, Publishing, Audiovision, Toursim and Entertainment industry. I don't agry that Armenia does not have historic sites to attract tourists. First we should understand that tourism lies not between historic attractions or western hotels, but between large scale developed infrastructure (hotels, transport, telecommunications) and the new ideas for attracting tourists. Armenia's almost lunary paysages (landscapes) can serve as a magnificent decor for developing sports resorts and sports toursim (alpinism, ski, snowskate, skydiving). Lake Sevan has a very impressive surrounding. Just imagine how would it work if it has all the infrastructure arround. I dream to buy a house over there, not because it's in Armenia (my historic homeland), but because it is a beautiful place. I travelled a lot around the world. And I've seen many really cool places. I'm confident Armenia has a lot to offer to tourists. On the other hand Armenia attracts many tourists by its historic sites. Alpha, sorry! I can't agree that Armenia will attract only diaspora. What Armenia needs is a well-established tourism sites and services. And finally, a big advertising and promoting campaign. People do not know tha Armenia exists. How do you want to attract tourists. I know some French guys here in Paris, who a year and half ago went to walk all around Armenia by visiting the churches and ruins of historic monuments. They should me the pictures they had captured : it was fantastic! Very impressive shots. And they were very excited about telling me all this because they got attached so closely to our nature and culture. It's not the only example. Recently many Israelis have discovered that in Armenia there existed very old jewish sites. Not far from old Armenian Education centers (Tatev, Gladzor) there have been discovered jewish cemeteries. It made an academic sensation in Israel. If it was in Israel, they would have restored this cemeteries and build hotels not far from there to bring tourists to that site. Who in Armenia will have such an idea, when most of Armenian historic sites are forgotten and not included in touristic guides? I think, Armenia should avoid building economy based on heavy industry. The best lot is to build economy on supplying chain principle. The Software development and telecom sector are one of the vitals. And I think that Government should make more efforts in supporting these sectors. Talking about financial center. I think without strong economy, one cannot become a financial center. The first sectors in economy that started to get shape in Armenia, after declaration of independence, were: Banking and Real Estate. I'm glad that Armenian currency (though poor rate) is one of the most stable currencies among the ex-USSR republics. But again, banking and real estate are the most classic sectors of economy, they get developed easily in every society. The toughest thing is to build real ambiance where the small and medium business will prosper. Mostly small and medium businesses are moving the economy in all sectors. Do we have in Armenia a favourable climate, backed by Government, for the development of SMEs. I don't think so! The last thing, I'd like to talk about the WAR and ECONOMY issue also. The war is not a reason, is a pretext to justify the "bad" situation in economy. Besides Armenia obtained ceasefire since 1994, right? It means the big war had stopped 7 years ago. And now let's make a resume of what did Armenia achive during this 7 crucial years of relative peace? Bad results, but not desperate. It's time to move I think. And the government needs some more initiatives to boost the economy. TAlks are cheap. Actions! We need actions from this damn stoupid government of corupted idiots, that armenians did elect!!!! LOL...

quote:Originally posted by Berj: Naira, The phone or what? Anyway you called first Berj: Ok, I'll hang up on you! Leave me alone, capici? Que bobo, putain? ... Gamavor: I would suggest as well to read my message. But it is useless, I think. You sound very determined. OK, then... go ahead! Let's see what do you want to promote!

quote:Originally posted by Tornado: How it comes that you have no slightest idea??? If a lot of youth are like this then I think the Pan Aryanists have the task to educate the youth about these interesting things. You can read the conversion of Kobad Sasanian and Ridak, it is about the typically foods,drinks, sweets, parumes, games at the time of sasanian. the Amrmenian nectarin is sid to be the best dessert [ June 20, 2001: Message edited by: Tornado ] Tornado, honey! I don't want to be nasty. But looks like you are enjoying when I'm nasty with you. I dont give a **** about pan-aryanists and the stuff they can teach. Please, keep me out of that demagogy.... Is it ok?

quote:Originally posted by Berj: Naira, Expressing my agreement with your assesment of Armenian claims of the Armenian lands in Turkey (with some reservations regarding the Kars Treaty) I would urge you not to talk about things you don't have a clue about. You have stated several times that you don't like to talk about history. Please, do so. Berj, Please, hang up!

quote:Originally posted by Tornado: Dolme's eat Greeks, Turks, Armenians, Azeri's, Persians, and Kurds, so they do Tan (Ayran/Dough). But Khorovads marinated in the pmao-grante juice is very ancient, goes back to the times of Arshakuni and Sasanians. May be... Though I let you to make all the research around this issue. I'm not interested in talking about something that I have no slightest idea. Like "times of Arshakuni and Sasanian".