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"Armenia for Armenians" stuff folks always existed in Armenia, Harut. This are the same people who in France say "France for French, in Russia they say "Russia for Russians in Germany they say Germany for Germans. In every country I lived or I'll live I'll always say. France is mine, Germany is mine, Russia is mine, Armenia is mine. Common now take this all from me, you dick-heads, skin-head! Do you understand what I mean, Harut. I sincerely hope you do. We have some little fascists in Armenia and that's a big victory. Arms will never be fascists. Remember this! Because there will be Armenians like me who will say to them "**** you! Armenia is for all" [ June 03, 2001: Message edited by: naira ]

quote:Originally posted by dragon: P.S.Hope you understand my English Can't be better explained, Dragon! Touching story...

quote:Originally posted by Berj: MJ, I think you're not following the present developments in Russia close enough, and whatever reasons there may be, their justified. I'm not trying to prove you anything. I'm just exchanging info with you. Boshevism was born in Russia but it was an illegal child. Russia will give the political assesment to the Bolshevism if the neo-Bolsheviks do not bring it back. Lenin remains in Mausoleum because Russia still do not have the idea of economic success in possession to replace the idea of the superpower which is connected with Bolshevism in the minds of the elderly, who are a significant portion of the population to create a social cataclism if disturbed. Russia needs some 5-10 years to change the generation and get the first results of economic success. If that happens nobody will keep that body there. The most radical force in Russia is Zhirinovski's LDP. Communists were too week to gain anything because their leader Zuganov is a very smart person (actually doctor of mathematics). You can't lead the masses to communism if you're smart, you need some charisma (read: foolishness). He failed to do that. Putin's base is the Edinstvo party, middle right, who formes the current govt. Yes, Czarist Generals, Toukhachevski, Bloukher some others did pledge loyalty to the Bolsheviks, but were almost all shot by Stalin, alonge with Trotski, Zinoviev, Kamenyev, Radek etc. The mid and low ranks of millitary often pledged loyalty regardless of who's in power. If the Bolsheviks had the same aspirations as the Russian Empire they would have never signed the Kars treaty. Berj, I think Russia's today's cataclisms are due to the presence of that "dead body" in the Mausoleum. They should remove him from their. If they are bad cowards , they can turn Lenin's Mausoleum in a public museum and let some western companies like Macdonalds, Virgin become cultural sponsors. Imagine Macdonalds inside mausoleum? Not bad heh?

quote:Originally posted by Boghos: My dear Naira, It is always difficult to answer these types of questions because they involve sweeping generalizations. I think Canada can be divided in at least five different components: Québec, Western Canada ex-British Columbia, British Columbia, Eastern Canada and indian population/northern Canada (mindo you there ara aboriginals all over the place bu in my view they share a lot of political similarities). Western Canada is not very different from what the Americans call the Midwest, hard working hillbilies. Québec is Qúebec, the Quiet Revolution being a very important but seldom refered to period. Eastern Canada is Ontario, a sort of small NY state. BC is an interesting plavce, the original population is a mix of Anglophiles and California style dudes, it has seen also a very strong Oriental immigration wave over the years; Indians or Native Canadians, are just that, I will not go deeper into this topic because thre is enough controversy already and it is no interesting from my point of view. So, that would mean that we would have to create stereotypes for Americans as well.That would take too much time, and would probably be very boring in any case. I think Canadians are sufficiently different from Americans.They are usually more conservative, more reserved. After all Canada was initilly settled by people running away from the Republican movemment in the US and as Richler puts is by the ssum of France (as Australia in relation to Britain), Etc. Whatever, have a drink on me. OK, Beau gosse! You have it.

quote:Originally posted by MJ: Cheee-zzz Big progress! Actually, you seem to be something alive? That's comforting!

quote:Originally posted by MJ: I did some of them. But in any case, neither location has anything to do with the "games" that we left a couple of postings behind. Yeah, some ovation, here, please! You can't be tolerant ot autocritisism, right?

Domino, You talk (with reasonable arguments) like those israeli researchers on Genocide issues, who affirm the 'uniqueness of Holocaust and refuse to use the word "Genocide" while talking about Armenian genocide in 1915.' Can you imagine where we all human beings will come by trying to put a special pride into being a 'victim'. The word victim should not be vulgarised, but it looks like it is already. I'm (being armenian myself) I'm against victimization of armenians on the basis of their tragic past (extermination of Armenians in Ottoman Turkey). Victimization of one race puts lots of responsibility on the whole human race. We cannot afford total vicitmization of our race. It can destroy our human society. By recognising a victim we have absolutely no right to use the words "special", "unique", "incomparable". The uniqueness is a wrong way. It devides humans in every domain of activity. Do not forget the particularity of human behaviour. We are surviving race. And the spirit of competetion is the same but with more manners than in "jungle". (Don't get caught by the word jungle, please!) I think all crimes based on extermination of human beings for their appartenance to a social, national, ethnic, racial or religious group should be recognised as a Genocide. The orginisers condemned and the authours punished. We can't favorise ones and forget others. This is a union. Think what devides us. It's when think that the Genocide of Armenians is more important than the genocide of Serbs by turks, or Genocide of Jews by Germans was more "unique" than the Armenian genocide. We can't forget either that Hitler exterminated gypsies as well and homosexuals. The Middle Aged Paris centuries ago was a witness of a horrible genocide known in human history as "Massacre of St. Bartholomew's Day", this was a part of Wars of Religion. During the Wars of Religion, France did exterminate most of its protestants. It was a pure "genocide". I do not forget that. And I won't. My list is long. [ June 02, 2001: Message edited by: naira ]

quote:Originally posted by MJ: 1. I like/love it here; 2. I can make a better living here; 3. It is a good place to raise family; 4. I grow much more comprehensively and faster, here; 5. I have unlimited access to information. There are many more reasons. [ June 02, 2001: Message edited by: MJ ] Good! And the following question ....is.... (oops, I broke my nail, what a sharp envelope) ... did you have the same reasons in Armenia?

You never heard of Baywatch TV series? The one with Pamella Anderson and a bunch of hot guys diving with her to save peoples lives? You are not a true "American" That was for fun! Say cheee-zzz, honeybunny!

wow, that's a big trouble! Sounds like "Baywatch" screenplay?

So underground is cool, isn't it?

Do you think that SM is for underaged? Hm, poor boy! Log off from private talk then! [ June 02, 2001: Message edited by: naira ]

Ok! Let's put the question another way. You won't save yourself that easy, MJ! I promisse Why do live in America, MJ?

I have read it. No I don't think the same way. I'm glad to hear that! Thanks a lot! You are jumping the gun too early. May be ...

quote:Originally posted by MJ: What is the problem, Naira? Why are you insulting me? MJ, sorry that was not an insult, we had discussed before some hot sessions on "insult" issues. Common, MJ! You know what I mean. There is no insult in my message. Read it again, please!

Don't be such a jerk, MJ! I like you for you nasty caracter. If you let such a bullshit without reaction, I'll believe you think the same way. I'm strongly doubting you to be objective on the stuff that scares you! Is this because you should proof first that you are intellectually luggaged? Ancient Armenia is in History section.

quote:Originally posted by MJ: What does SM stand for? Log on private, kid! I can't explain it in public!

quote:Originally posted by MJ: I knew you'll like me. And you became invisible. Tell me, Julie! What the hell I'm doing here?

quote:Originally posted by bellthecat: But the key words are "intent to destroy in whole or in part" I do not think that intent was there in 1895-96. Steve Steve! Looks like you like special feelings. I'm glad you taking a doubt evrything. I take it as more often as you. Domino, Sorry, I see what do you mean. But I cannot agree. Genocide target groups are: racial, national, ethnical, religious. When you talk about "islamisation" and "turkisation" you are commiting an error to interprete the text in incomplete way. I like this convention, but I still think it is incomplet. If we Armenians are so proud for not getting tired up and fed up with the whole this mascarade of human hypocrisy about "victims" of a murder. Like we are bargaining deads. This people are gone, we are not going to count them. Do you think one life is enough to find all of them? I think there should be added one adjective : "Article 2. In the present Convention, genocide means any of the following acts committed with intent to destroy, in whole or in part, a national, ethnical, racial , religious, social group What is social group? All possible society issues. The criminals in prisons, gays and lesbians, poor, rich, those who will think differently. The way like have completely different, from the society ideals, thoughts. One against all. I think all these people do not merit to dye for what they are? [ June 02, 2001: Message edited by: naira ]

quote:Originally posted by Taguhi: Some historicians said that there was about 180 thousand or even 300 thousand killed Armenians during 1895/1896 killings. Because of it Sultan Abdulhamid was called "Red Sultan" or "Bloody Sultan". For exemple in Zeytun was killed in this time about 7 thousand people, in Sasun about 15 thousand and in Van 20 thousand. Did you saw film "America America"? In the begining this events are showed. Right, Taguhi! These events are slightly shown in the film entitled "America, America!" It one of Hollywood's biggest classic movies. His director was very famous director of that time Elia Kazan (of greek origin). For those who have no idea about Elia Kazan, just a small brief from 'Internet Movie DataBase' (imdb.com) of his filmography, but before that I juest will give some of his most know films "Baby Doll!", "A Streetcar Named Desire" Filmography: Beyond the Aegean (1989) Last Tycoon, The (1976) Visitors, The (1972) Arrangement, The (1969) America, America (1963) ... aka Anatolian Smile, The (1963) (UK) Splendor in the Grass (1961) Wild River (1960) Face in the Crowd, A (1957) Baby Doll (1956) East of Eden (1955) On the Waterfront (1954) Man on a Tightrope (1953) Viva Zapata! (1952) Streetcar Named Desire, A (1951) Panic in the Streets (1950) Pinky (1949) Boomerang! (1947) Gentleman's Agreement (1947) Sea of Grass, The (1947) Tree Grows in Brooklyn, A (1945) It's Up to You (1941) People of the Cumberland, The (1937) ------- Here is a "message" from Amazon.com reader about "America, America!" I've checked at that time this was the only post. Check it, it's funny: You silly Americans! I can't believe there's so little about this film in this database! How come no one has ever seen it and post something about it? If you forget Kazan's politic past, this is just an excellent movie. And it does praise your marvelous country. You like that. Don't you? url of "Armerica, America!" at http://us.imdb.com/Title?0056825

quote:Originally posted by MJ: As a note of informationa character... Any curious person who visits the ruins of Dvin (some 70 km South of Yerevan) would be able to identify items of explicit character, which come to certify that in ancient Armenia there has been a cult of phallus and its antipode. I assume that implies existed atmosphere of discovery and games. MJ are you in? This time? May I ask you a question? I assume that implies existed atmosphere of discovery and games. Is this a funny discovery? come to certify that in ancient Armenia there has been a cult of phallus and its antipode. What we talk here is regarding actually modern Armenia. Ancient Armenia was ancient. And it will stay forever. Don't you think so, MJ? [ June 02, 2001: Message edited by: naira ]

quote:Originally posted by MJ: Don't let it threaten you. Oh, you are such a "nasty kid", MJ! Oops: "...that was the first threatening..." Do you see what I'm going through? Some SM stuff relationship? But I do resist... I don't know for how long... Don't worry, honeybunny! I won't let it threaten me! Promise!

quote:Originally posted by bellthecat: "A Hero of our Time" is considered by many to be one of the first modern novels. I'm embarassed to say I have not yet read it (but I have a book telling me how it should be read!). Steve BullTheCat or Steve, (well actually for me who you are means no ****. That's not the issue!) Do you think you are a smart kid? You better be boy! We are talking about cherkess people, said to be circassians in English. Only for that reason, I offered to read a book which is studied in a Russian school and writen about a war which Russians never simpathyzed. I remember at school during literature lessons we were discussing the image of that "Hero of Their Time" to understand the meaning of this novel. To feel more than historic oeuvre, but also as philosophical. Russians felt that Hero reflected the atmosphere of the whole Russian society of that time. And it was presented as an image of "fatalist". Russians never approved that war and their intellectuals have passed this message to future generations. The problem is that Russia has been often caught by its intellectuals!!! If I advice this book to a circassian intentionaly, I don't mean at all to offer some propaganda literature. But a fiction literature. Which is more human and somehow "popular"! And for a circassian it will be extremely interesting to read!!! He should be interested more than any Russian in meeting Lermontov. Because they have got more messages to a circassian than to a Russian. Bon, in the end I'll distract your humble attention on something different. I heard you say: I'm embarassed to say I have not yet read it . I'd say: Read the real one first! And have a pause! And then if you are researcher go and get this (but I have a book telling me how it should be read!). I told you it is a fiction. This "fatalist" hero is a incarnation of an average "Hero of Lermontov's Time" and arround that time. The cherkess people live in Russia, they live in Turkey, In Jordan. They have many stories to listen. Don't you think so, Steve? Hm...

wow, looks like you are working out? I like men who are working out ...

quote:Originally posted by MJ: Which Club? What war? I am as peaceful as it gets... ... and you avoid sexual games as well! Yeah, you are a saint, MJ! And I'm the devil, in that case! --- P.S. I've seen you abandoned a thread somewhere we were initiating a talk. Is this a lack of interest or may be smth else ...?