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Mouse..as if...don't you think i havne't read basically everything you have...20 years ago..and beleive me..your picking on the wrong person for those sort of accusations...believe me...anyway...

Yeah grat game Oh and *** off Dan! And sorry A-H...don'tknow what to say really...

Well gevo...I'm not frightened. Considering I beat a racer - racing bike guy on his speedbike - on a race that I challenged him on (about 150-200 miles long accrosss the better part of Maryland) - in my Mazda Millenia - not even my Audi..well...lol And yeah 3 years - versus my 30+ (and yeah i put on 25-30K a year - and real driving - not just I-5 - LOL)..you have no ida - no clue as to what you are talking about. Ask anyone who has ever been in a car with me - i am so far beyond what you can even consider - trust me... Let me relate a little story to you. At age 14 (and this account can be conifirmed..and by someone who occasionslly visits this foruym) - I used to drive the family car on long vacations - while my dad slept! He grew up on a farm and had soem pretty old school ideas. He used to say - and seriously - that as a father he would consider himself a sucsee if he tought me 2 things - how to drive and how to shoot...and he drilled me like a fanatic on each at an early age. So - you are really clueless - and I have proven myself in this regard countless times - to all doubters...don't know what else I can say. But here are a few things that come to mind - in a beat yup old toyota I managed to drive between LA and San Fransico in 8 hours...no big deal you say - yeah - up 1/101 along the coast/big Sur etc (not the I-5). And I've driven between Washington DC and New York in 3 1/2 hours! I never drove under 100 on the entire NJ turnpike and never under 70 in NYC (on the way to Conneticut)...except perhaps for soem slowdowns over the bridge...still 4 1/2 hours to beyond bridgeport...I've also dowen extended mountain stretches (hours) in my supercharged MR2 with speedbikes trying - but unable to overtake me..true - I swear to it...and of course 3 out of 3 in a Cannonball run type of race...increasing mey lead (over the vetrans each year)...ita about a 4-6 hur race...and the first year I won by 15 min, 2nd year 1/2 hour and third year 1 hour! (think about that for a bit)... And just this last week I'm tearing around on 35 MPH curvey roads at 70mph - in an ice storm! (with snow pack on the road..of course Quattro with performance snows!..and a driver who knows what he is doing)...believe me - you have absolutely no idea...any who have ever been in a car with me can attest - I assure you...and once this racingguy from France went out with me in my MR2...he was deriding the car a bit - until I took him on a curvey course near my home...well he was griping the dash screaming for me to slow down...said he was used to going dfast in more or less a straight line - but not like I was doing (I used to run very grippy soft compoind Yoko semi slicks ion my baby...coprneredlike you wouldnt believe...)

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LOL...well that all depends dan...

Yes mouse you do say...hmm - you deny apealing to the courts or legislatuyre for redress eh? Oh of course...all government is eveil..and might makes right...all of that...one big conspiracy isn't it...all goes back to aliens and folks like Count St Germain I imagine...etc etc...yes we know...

Funny Dan - the Turks say the say thing... Easy to get caught up in the smenatics of it dan..but the facts are there - please read real history...Jews were marginilized, scapegoated, terrorized and killed/murdered - just like the Armenians..now what makes any of this either funny or deniable..and shouldn't you feel really ashamed and stupid for doing such?

Dan - its Ok for Saudis, japs and Brits! (of all people) to buy/own property in the US...and BTW just who is "taking" land? Don't we have laws that govbern land ownership..or is it just squatters rights up in canada land? Anyway Dan - the more your post the deeper you dig your hole. But yo like being down in thiose cellars aparently...where you can dream of your utopia - Dan land - all white...but gays are OK...such a laugh really... "..and they came for me and there was no one left to protest..." etc etc

Funny for such a denialist institution that they provide links to the Armenain Ntional Institue on their website and sponsor such folks as Samantha Powers (who spoke about comparartive genocide and who frequenstly references the Armenian genocide0..and they have also sponsored mayn other Armenain events that folks i have known have gone to. The museum is in the US and not Isreal BTW....

Yes such a sacrifice Dan...ignorance and hatred..but you obviously just don't get it..oh well...perhaps you'll grow up one day...and yes - that one can be gay and Armenian - and not undersrtand - now that is just the pinnacle of burying ones head in the proverbial stand....anyway I'm sure that Stormfront will welcome you with open arms, an arm arond the shoulder and then some well placed kicks in the stomach and groin and love taps on the head...

I dont think so - but I do think that the game will likely be o\won or lost on a turnover or several. i do think the panthers have a decent ofense and one that matches up well against the patriots...I mean what do you scheme when your d line is being pushed back off the ball....the Panthers O line rocks! And they have recievers and Delhome is a smwrt QB. Sure I respect Belechik, Patriots D (Ty Law! etc) and even their QB...but not their runners or recievers or such - and the Panthers D is very good. So I give the advantage to the Panthers..coaching advantages aside...but I see a close defense game - with an INT or blocked kick or such being pivotal...still if anything the panthers will get out front and stay there...well tghats my prediction - for what its worth...

Well Dan I guess its easy being ignorant when you are...

I have to say - American football rocks! The greatest (spectatr) sport IMO....and BTW the Panthers will win by 3. ANd baseball is a great sport (againto watch)...its just the prima donnah atheletes and the corporatism have ruined it (and are degrading all pro sports IMO...just baseball is the lamest in this regard...greed totally rules)

Dan you too are a racist pig. yes the Ottomans were right eh? didnt want nio guavour Armenians messing things up - I mean after all might makes right (yes mouse) ...so the Ottomans were justified in ceansing the place of dirty unwanted Armenians ...I mena after all it was a land that they conqoured - just like the English conqoured North America and the Spanish South America..i mean after all - who now will say "remember the Indians"...no? So yes sally forth - cleanse the bastards! White power! And while were at it lest send all the Blacks back to Africa...or at least instal seperate bathrooms and make the ride at the back of the bus...i mean our White English race shoudnt have to put up with their alien cultural influences no? Dan - you really must get out of your parents basement more....

and Gurgen then said: Yeah I pegged both of you correctly right from the start...you two are disgraceful...shame that you call yourselves Armenians...you understand nothing...I hope everyone on this forum reflects a bit what kind of people the two of you are..and I for one don't feel that either of these two bozos should at all be associated with. Just what part of the holocaust don't you understand? And in this I include the decade + of extreme hatred and intolerance... And how is it that such a thing is funny to you? And that an Armenian would say and think such things...well don't be indignatn or upset when Turk apoligists say the exact some kinds of things... And FYI - on another thread it is insnuated that the Holocause museum supports genocide denial. While this may have been an isolated case - i assure you that it does not. In fact the museum has an archive of materials concernignt eh Armenian Genocide - sponsers numoerous events and occasional displays concernignt he genocide and may even have a permenant exhibit regardign such (not totally sure there). But you are wrong. And your (failed) attempt to mask your hatred of Jews by claiming to be only against Zionism is just so much b u l l s h i t! Disgusting - both of you and your kind!

Yeah Sip...and this guy was also ininuating that he could beat me in a race with his truck...me...in my Audi..and me...he has no clue...lol

yes exactly...but thats all it is - faith..it is no science...and it is no truth..in fact it is only speculation (and with very little basis)...doesn't it make mnore sense to just admit - we don't know - and never will...etc...and deal with those things we can grasp and see and actually learn something about through methods that mean something...

I believe in the validity of scientific method. Yes what a wide eyed superstision believing primitive i must be. Evolution is proven Jack! - as proven as any scientific theory that is commonly accepted by today's scientists. That there have been frauds and crackpots trying to provbe various missing links has nothing to do with the underlying (proven) premiss (and I have provided my links to demonstrate my point - no need to repeat ad anauseum). And your claim of species evoluton is strictly an exercise in semantics. Besides we have only been observing such for hundreds or at most a very few thousand years - so I wouldnt necessarily expect to see changes significant to the point resulting in the nameing of a new species. But the evisdence is out there - from a friend of mine who is a PHD Biologist at CalTech performing expirments on fruit flies - where they can track adaptive changes over periods of weeks/months etc to the genetic record, to our embryonic development, natural variation (with unique transitory fossil back up - etc) as seen in distinct (closed off) environments - etc etc etc...case closed.

Yeah - just like washing and wiping up after ones self eh?

And what are you Ed - the little honey bee? Or maybe your allergic?

Yeah its every Sunday from September to January!

So Sasun - it is not Evolution that you are opposed to but Biology in general? Is this your position? Well - in fact you are mitaken..the "proof" of evolution is as solid as any other scientific theory - including (or more so) then any in physics. What of the general Theory of relativity...do you accept that one? (I mean its only a Theory Mouse,,,maybe Sasun is just trying to "sooth his own insecurity and ignorance bey believing" such a thing as fact. I mean what part of Theory is it that you don't understand? etc etc Well the general Theory of relativity is still quite controversial - i mean at least among scintists/physiscists...as much or more so then evolution..no? I mena there is all this question of dark matter and the force of gravity etc etc...so yes...everthing has its doubts...and not all apects are entirrly known....thats what science is all about - discovery - based on an accepted empiricle method..not jst saying - I chew gum - theus I have no headaches...why? Because i believe it to be so - its just a feeling etc...So don't try to denigrate evolution (or even biology) as something any less now then other sciences etc etc..as there is no (essential) difference. Again - its just burying one's head in the sand - for ideological reasons....nothing to do with real science....

Armat - i can fully understand why (the tendency to want to believe etc) one would believe in a creator of things - this seems just natural to us. But to belive so is entirely unscientific - ie - it is bweyond scence and is only in the realm of faith. At this point we are unable to know anything about any (intenligent/deliberate force or forces) that may have had a hand in the creeation of the universe as we know it (and as Domino has pointed out perhaps there is more to out "universe" then meets the eye as well...perhaps)...however - if we at all accept Science as being useful/meaningful etc in telling us things about the nature of our wold etc...then we must accept that evolution is factual...as factual as any other scientific theory (note: see defintion of theory as it pertains to science). And any arguments or discussions of a creator etc are in fact immaterial. So the issue is - do we believe the evidence at hand...and the whole issue of the validity of scinece - or do we pretty much concoct explanations of much lesser validity to explain the world around us and who and what we are? Too me any who disbelieve evolution - at this time - are just living with their head in the sand..and/or have an agenda of some sort...but the evidence is clear...crystal...

Evolution is not speculation..and more then belief in gravity is...the evidence is clear to see..please spare us... And please actually (take soem time and) read some of the links I put up...the eveidence is clearly there...clearly...that you don't accept it is just tantamount to rejecting Science...so who is the fool...?

A very brief (but effective) refutation of Eden: (yes its all in the assumptions...matmatics is only as good as what you feed into it and only as applicable as the validity of those same assumptions...) Adaptive change by mutation has been shown in the laboratory and is not in question. It is quite easy to demonstrate in bacteria, and advantageous forms which were generated by the co-occurrence of multiple mutations are quite possible. Three points are usually being missed by people who make Prof. Eden's mistake: 1 - Disadvantageous forms can persist in the population for a long time; 2 - Multiple ways to the same end (multiple mutations giving the same result) are not only possible but common; 3 - Intermediate steps often have an inobvious advantage in themselves, making them targets of natural selection. Seriously, there is something badly wrong with the mathematician's models if this story is true. In the first place, there isn't really a necessity for each mutation to occur from a blank slate - virtually all species have a fair amount of diversity. In the second place, there is a considerable amount of recombination - even with base pairs on the same chromosome (crossover) (or maybe the mathematician has never heard of sex :-). Thirdly, the rate of mutations can be measured and is significantly higher than what appears to be implied by the fixing of 6 mutations in 1 billion years. Fourthly, if any intermediate forms have any slight advantage (due to partial implementation of the feature), then those forms will be selected -- and selection is NOT a random process. Fifthly, many single point mutations have similar/identical effect (that is, it wouldn't be necessary for 6 specific mutations to occur but one from each of 6 different sets, a much easier problem). All I can figure is that the model assumes a population of a single homozygous individual whose progeny never exchange any genetic material and in which the mutated genes never recombine by crossover during mitosis. In other words, sort of like analyzing the aerodynamics of racehorses by assuming a spherical horse Sounds like he's talking about six simultaneous mutations, which may very well be statistically phenomenal. Not required they be simultaneous by evolution however, and once one mutation is replicating throughout a group of related organisms, the odds then go up that one of them might develop another significant mutation in addition to the one they are now carrying. etc etc