Juggernaut

quote WHOAH! I didnt think Kirkorov was patriotic

quote My comments spring from facts quote I am aware of this, but the fundamentalist Shiite opposition in Iraq is the biggest threat to Saddaam and is naturally backed by Iran. quote The web is not an accurate source of information on most matters, escpessially politics.

quote I have never heard anything so rediculous, congrats Khodja. quote Actually the second decision (on not removing Sadaam) was the right one. Iraqs population is 60% Shiite (like Iran). If Saddaam was dislodged it was (and still is) very likelly that the Shiite fundamentalists take power and turn Iraq into another Iran. quote I dont think it matters who leads the US, whoever it is Americas interests are allways going to come first, the only difference is going to be in domestic policy. Frankly, I would rather have the US be isolationist rather than interventionist.

Dont know what the hype is about, he looks ugly. As for Kirkorov, I am fairly certain he is half Armenian, though he only sings in Russian, plus he is the biggest star in the countries of the former USSR.

Some good points raised by people, me being a Yerevantsi , it is very close to my heart despite the fact that I havnt seen it in 9 years, but hopefully I will be visiting sometime in August, September 2002. As for moral degredation, it is currently occuring in almost every corner of the globe, in some places faster than others. And the difference in teenage life here (Sydney) and Yerevan. Unfortunatelly I have had not the luck to experience my teenagehood in Yerevan. The bottom line is, the majority of teenagers here are NOT happy and this is telling in the youth suicide rate being one of the highest in the developed world, something which I dont think even exists in Armenia.

quote No, what I am implying is that the Crusades and the Reconquista were not justified by the teachings of Christianity, and because the vast majority of the Europeans taking part were illitarate, what their religious leaders said (ie. Pope) the soldiers naturally thought to be the teachings of Christ. Therefore it was done in the name of Christianity, but in fact was not justified.

quote Not all, but most. But ALL Jews have intermingled with many other ethnicities, thereby forsaking their 'nationality'. The only thing that unites them today (or should unite them today) is religion. quote Khazars were not 'ethnic' Jews (as you would put it), they we converts. And it was mainly the ruling class that was Jewish, the commoners were not.

quote Their 'nationality' is BASED on their religion, there is nothing comparable in Chrstianity or Islam. Therefore one cannot be a Hebrew and a Christian in the same instance. The exception to this rule is probably Jesus Christ Himself. As for Tigrans religion, it does not bother me, I prefer he be a Jew than a pagan.

quote I never said that he was a Christian, only not a practicing Jew quote Firstly, how can you be a practicing Christian and see youself as a Jew at the same time? This idea of yours is rediculous. Secondly, why would Jews be considered as Armenians in the case of Bagratids? quote See above (how can someone be a Christian and a Jew at the same time?) quote mmm, great explanation, a peoples that were and have stubbornly clung to their religion in the face of pogroms and genocide suddenly decided to become Christians (the worst enemy in the eyes of many Jews).

quote Were they practicing Jews? May I also remaind you that the first Christians were originally Jews too, but were later hunted down by their former brothers and sisters. quote Yes, and what is the proportion, like 1 to 10?

quote The Crusades are not justified by the Bible, and only took a religious bearing because the Pope of the time made it so. But the numerous jihads launched by Muslims are justified by the Koran. As for athiesm, I have many arguments with people like yourself, and it does not lead anywhere, so I'm not going to start one, but you can keep throwing insults at me......

quote Because Armenia is ISOLATED, our only trading partner that also happens to share a border with us is Islamic Iran. In order to accumulate wealth, trade must occur. But even you (according to profile) want the Armenian Genocide recognised. How do you expect this to happen and trade with Turkey and Azerbaijan at the same time? quote The Empire was very wealthy up to the 19th century, and the relative 'democracy' allowed non-Turks to accumulate wealth through TRADE. quote RUBBISH! And when did the French or the Hebrews lead us? quote Well, its not too late, I am sure if you have Hebrew blood, Judaism is always open.

Yes, Kotayk is probably on par if not better than beers like Heineken and Budweiser. I was told that the factory where Kotayk is produced now was actually built by Germans in the 70s, this is probably the reason for Kotayk being such a good drink.

I'm sorry, but your assumptions are plain wrong. And I dont understand Turkish.

quote This was only the case before mid-1970s and mostly in Russia, the Ukraine and BieloRussia quote No, it preaches something far worse, the non-existance of God, and therefore the abolition of all morals. quote Yes, oppressing the separatist nationalist movement not religion.

hehe, I have a totally American solution to this serious problem. We label them as terrorists, send special forced after their relatives in the ponds around the world, and finally send send letters containing anthrax to each other.

The father of modern warfare Heinz Guderian was the leading theorist of armored warfare in Germany, and a great tactician as well. One might not expect this from his service in World War One, for, unlike multiply-decorated Rommel, Guderian had served in technical and staff, rather than combat positions. However, this experience with unglamorous radios and trucks gave him an insight into the new technology missed by many of his contemporaries. After the war, as an officer in the reduced German Army under the Versailles Treaty, he became part of the secret development of tanks, which the Treaty had prohibited. After Hitler had repudiated the restrictions of the Treaty, in 1937, Guderian published "Actung! Panzer" (Attention! Armor), in which he advanced his ideas for tank warfare. In it, he proposed a middle road in the debate then raging on role of armor. The tank could NOT simply overrun all opponents, as its radical supporters assumed; nor should it be just a tool to help the infantry. Instead, it should operate as part of a "combined arms team" supported by large numbers of motorized infantry, artillery and engineers. This middle position was more upsetting than it might seem. If either of the extreme views was correct, all the Army had to do in peacetime was train a few isolated tank units; when war came, these would simply be told which infantry unit to support, or be turned loose on the helpless enemy (depending on which extreme was talking). Guderian, however, was calling for large parts of the Army to be reorganized into divisions built around armor, upsetting the routines of lot of people who were ordinarily willing to ignore the question. This had doomed such proposals in other countries; but Hitler, always enchanted by new ideas, liked the plan, which gave Guderian the support he needed to form not one, but three of the new "Panzer Divisions" and later, still more. Guderian commanded XIX Panzer Corps in the Polish Campaign and the Battle of France and led 2nd Panzer Group (Army) in BABAROSSA, the German invasion of the Soviet Union, in 1941. In each case, his forces were critical to the offensive and his theories were confirmed in victory. These successes came to an end in December, when he was relieved of this command, after disobeying the orders of General von Kluge! Guderian's career resumed fourteen months later, in February 1943 when he was made Inspector General of Panzer Troops. He reformed and rebuilt depleted units and increased tank production, but did not command troops again. Hitler named him Army Chief of Staff on 21 JULY 44, a post he filled until 28 MARCH 45, when he argued with Hitler once too often and was dismissed. After the war, it was decided that as Guderian had neither direct responsibility for, nor clear knowledge of war crimes, he would not be tried by the Nuremburg Tribunal. He lived until 1953. And was he Armenian do you ask? Unfortunatelly not, just thought I might give you hope . We did have a good general in WW2, Marshall Bagramian (one of the top five). In the next couple of months I will be profiling him as well as a few other generals of the Second World War. Hold on tight.......

Dont knoe about the most agrressive, but the most dangerous is definitelly the lack of religion ie. athiesm

quote Hehe, I have always been under the impression that there is only one topic discussed in a brothel, and absolutelly no deviation due to the low levels of intelligence attributed to the people involved and the general atmosphere . So may I therefore suggest that we model this forum on a brothel and only invite people of sub-standard intelligence so that no deviation has a chance of occuring. PS: the reason why this message was not sent privately is because I would like all forumers to know exactly the levels of deviation they are allowed in order to keep within the framework of the forum. And I appologise if my post offended anyone .

I am not saying that just because its 'theirs' we have to give it back. In fact it no longer is theirs and we will fight as if it were Armenia itself.

mmmm, interseting topic. Most agressive now: Millitarily: USA Economically: USA Pollitically: USA Culturally: USA Most agressive in history Millitarily: Turks/Mongols Economically: Britain Pollitically: Germany (at all stages of Empire) Culturally: Hard one...probably Arabs (initial Islam) The reason why China is not on the list is because despite being a great and powerful nation, China has always been inward looking and hence was content with simply collecting tribute from its neighbours.

quote mmmm, this is unfortunatelly true. Artsakh WAS a majority Azeri populated place untill 19th Century. Armenians never had a strong presence in the Caucases, our heartland lies in Eastern Anatolia. And the land will never become part of Armenia, it will either be wholelly integrated into Azerbaijan or be an autonomy. The time when this happens depends on Russiaa and the prevailing political situation. Unfortunatelly its beyond us, because they have OIL. The ONLY deciding factror is the AMOUNT of oil that they have.

Dang, I wonder what the 2nd post was . Anyways, guys I dont know why you are being so strict when a thread 'veers' off the original topic. I mean this is bound to happen one way or another.

Good, they can go attend the Asiatic Council meeting. I hear its going to be conducted in a cave in Afganistan and Usama is going to be guest speaker. [ October 12, 2001: Message edited by: Juggernaut ]

I doubt a press release of such a large company would have the word 'butt' in it.