phantom22

When documentation is given, you claim that it is to be disregarded because it has been reserached by Jews. When an Armenian such as the anthropologist Levon Yepiskoposyan, head of the Armenian Intitute of Man, is the researcher you claim that because he looks like a Jew and is working with Jews in London, that his findings are bogus. Whenever an Armenian ancient historian has claimed something you don't like, you claim that his statments are bogus and you find some reason why he would lie to the historical record. Only the KAKA handed you by your Der Hayr and the so-called leaders of the community is what you buy.

How cute!! Yet I didn't feel that way about cats when my ex-wife demanded that I clean her 4 cats poop or when they would jump on my head in the middle of the night.

Bernard Lewis states in one of his books that Tigran was a. Jew. If my memory serves me right he went on to say that Tigran transported alarge number of Jews to his capital. Numerous Jewish websites mention that Tigran transported Jews to Tigranakert Get your fingers clicking on your computer Arpa before you make your comments. [quote name='Arpa' date='Aug 25 2006, 10:36 PM' post='177443' . We have gone over this BS numerous times. Can we stop this kovankaka once and for all? So its is 10,000, not 9,999? Were you there? Did you interview each and every one of those ten thousand to see what ethnicity they were and what language they spoke? OK, we admit that Tigran II conquered all the lands between Tigranakert and TelAviv. Let’s look at the map of today, and let us look at the maps of the era and see how many other people lived between Tigranakert and TelAviv. So Tigran brought 10,000 Jews? Were they all Jews? Did he interview them to see that they were indeed Jews? No Assyrians? No Arameans? No Phoenicians? No Philistines? No Amalekites? No Nabateans? Did Khorenatsi have the map of the area at his fingertips as we do today? Or was he just expressing the wishes of his new fangled so called Christian sponsors like bishops and Catholicoi of the time whose main purpose was to find a link between us and the so called “chosen people”? A desperate attempt to find a raison d’etre for our very existence by linking us to the Biblical “chosen people”. “Chosen people”? Chosen for what ? To collaborate with the yet to come Turk to blow all of our claims to the land? Can we get a life? Can we forget that there even is such a thing as a Jew? Have you been following the latest? Do you really believe that they will be able to hold to what they have stolen from the keepers of the land for the last 2000 years when they were chasing that pot of gold in places like Spain, Germany, Poland, Russia …..? Can we have a life without bringing the Jew into out history and legacy? So. In conclusion. Did you personally interview those 10,000 to see if they were indeed Jews? Why don’t we see even a word in their so called history about Tigran, his exploits and moving 10,000 Jews to Armenia? Is not their so called history, that book of lies the “gospel truth”? So, where is that “gospel truth” about Tigran’s exploits? Has any Jew, anytime even say one word about that period of “history/schmistory”? Has any Jew, anytime even say a word about Armenian Jewish kinship? If their “history/schmiistory” is a figment of one’s imagination , whose figment of imagination is OUR “history“? Can we treat history as a science rather than a collection of fables? Wait till the Turks get a hold of that 10,000 imported Jews and blow our entire history to pieces!!! OH! Btw, Sarduri welcome!

America will be the silent partner, the proxy if you will. Did one American soldier participate in the recent Lebanese initiative? You led us into the gates of hell in 1915 and you have not learned the "lessons of 1915." Why does Armenia ally itself totally with one side. Are you aware of the games the Turks play? They did not take sides in WWII until they knew who the winners would be. What will the condition of Armenia be when Iran is burning? Back toally under the Russian pesh?

Many scholars have stated India, but recent revelations state thaat it was in Western China in the Buddhist area adjacent to India, just the area near the city of Xian which was on the Silk Road. The time frame they believe was by the nobility during the Han Dynasty, just the era when the ancestors of Vartan Mamikonian and their entourage settled in the Taron province of Armenia (the only other Taron in the world- valley, river are located in SW China). So the Armenians who presently excel in chess today have genes which emanate from the noble inventors.

My aboush Armenian ex-wife aborted all her pregnancies in her three marriages including two by me, so if my family ever gets one cent of our inheritance stolen by the Turks it will end up in Jewish hands, unless I have children by a younger woman. My family has all intermarried with Jews. Perhaps I can leave it to some Armenian organization, but our progeny are all Jews. Don't ever think that I have bet on the wrong horse. Armenia will go down in flames with its allies, unless it changes course. Iran will be in the same place as Iraq and Lebanon are now within a year.

Sorry Verginne but it appears that the LOOSERS are the Muslims. They keep kiiling using suicide bombers, but do not really accomplish much more than mayhem. The Jews work incessantly toward more real control of the world markets. Do you realize who the head of the world bank is? Have you also heard of the Rothschilds? Only my only family of Armenians and a handful of other Amiras and persons such as Gulbenkian ever rivaled the Jews in the Ottoman Empire.

Most of this backwardness remains inthe US military and US internal think tanks (CIA and FBI). You can not imagine the idiocy that persons of this stripe have handed me. They think that the Soviet Union is still intact in reality and that the present state of affairs is only a mirage.

With Armenia a member of NATO, the Turkish strength will be more greatly counterbalanced. Greece and Armenia can act as one unit to lobby for greater equality of decisionmaking.

Assyrian is a misnomer. We Assyrians are not directly related to the ancient Assyrian. A percentage of us may be by chance, but our real name is Nestorians, followers of Nestorious, a "heretical" Patriarch of Constantinople. We are ethnically Persian primarily, with some other ethnic strains, even former Jews.

When I was in Yerevan, I saw many disgusting habits. Many of the men were smoking smeely cigarettes. The open urinals smelled horrible. Flies were everywhere on the Armenian Airlines flight. When the stewardesses offered me dinner, saying "hamov eh," I refused as the flies had bee nsitting on the food just minutes before. I saw people whose teeth were rotting, such a shame in a city where the nor harousts were building thier mansions. ....and you call Hoagland's bisexuality digusting?

Where have I stated that I would not like Western Armenia in Armenian hands?

Anahid, If genetics determines where a ethnic group should end up, then we Armenians should return to our respective primordial lands. An eminent team of Yerevantzis should do a DNA analysis of us and then send us back to France, Germany, Ancient Israel/Judah, Mongolia, China, India, Pakistan or wherever from our genes emanated. The Turks have been around for 1,000 years. They are going nowhere. As ridiculous as they are, they are here to stay in Anatolia. Levon T-P. makes sense when he states that we have to learn to deal with them. Thankfully, there are Turks who want to resurrect the truth about Turkish history and show a true picture of the significant accomplishments of Armenians and other non-Turks in Ottoman life.

Skhara, I know that your statement is jesting, but in truth the USA would never approve of your scenario.

Verginne, I am an avid zionist. You are hallucinating. Israelis are not going to leave nor be pushed out. As for their Turkish friends, they are making asses (read: donkeys, not turkeys) of themselves on the world stage. They are prosecuting a biographer who quoted from the memoirs Ataturk's wife of two years that he dressed up as a woman to escape from an assasin. If only the truth came out about what we bisexuals know, that Ataturk swung both ways. If anyone dared utter that truth in Turkey, they would be executed on the spot

As I read the back and forth of comments here, the rantings of an Azeri mullah keep swirling in my brain. The comments were made during the Artsakh war. "Where the green flag of Islam has flown, no land should be lost! NO BETRAYAL Permitted!!" What do you anti-Zionists propose to do with the Jews who inhabit Israel if Israel is no more?

My relative is one of the few Armenians to have had the title of *****. To list him as Ishkhan would not be historically correct as it was the Turkish Sultan who bestowed this title, not an non-existent Armenian king.

phantom22 Aug 23 2005, 01:45 PM Post #5 Veteran Group: Members Posts: 1385 Joined: 2-January 05 Member No.: 2392 What other rational option is there but to join with Europe? Mass conversion to Islam? Turkifying ourselves to satisfy the Pan-Turanists who want to see a Turkish state from the Bosphorus to the outskirts of Beijing?

Arpa, You forget that if Armenians converted en masse to Islam and stated that they are Turks, the Turks and Azeris would embrace us. Then they could pursue their mirage of a greater Turkestan "stretching from the Bosphorus to Beijing." The section of my last sentence in quotes, which you had recently posted in one of your posts, was extracted literally from one of my long-ago postings in this Forum. So, Arpa is now parroting Phantomology!!!!!

I am among Armenians who were raised as mainline Protestants. We were raised to believe in the goodness of Jesus Christ. There was no "hell-fire and brimstone" in the sermons of our ministers. Among these idiots you speak of are Armenians such as the late Rousas Rushdoony, Benny Hinn and David Kupelian. Arpa, why are you foaming at the mouth relating these jackasses with homosexuals. These guys would all like to see "faggots" burned at the stake. Do you not know the source of the word "faggot?" If it was not for the DIRTY politics of these "so-called Christian" activists, John McCain would be president today. The US would be run with logic and not a born-again religious fervor were he the President today. In 2008, it will probably be a race betwen Hillary and McCain. I wonder in what direction US policies wil turn under each of those administrations.

Gamavor, Yes, you are correct. If the Israelis create a democratic state, soon the Arabs will have a majority. Lebanon was an oasis, an enclave so to spaek, for Christians in the Middle East. Even Armenians felt that it was their second home, as Christians. The Christian generally have smaller families, educate their young and advance in society. While their are some Moslems who educate their young many have numerous children who they do not educate as much. So eventually Lebanon was no longer a Christian majority country. The same would happen in Israel if Jewish state becomes democratic. If Armenia gave free reign for Moslems to settle, even in small numbers, eventually their would be no Armenian state as the Moslems would overpower the Armenians by having more children.

Hey Vava. I have consistentently put the word normal in quotes ("...."). Yet, it is not the way the majority are "wired." It is definately not a lifestyle choice because some with the propensity do not practice it or associate with the homosexual community.

Ardy will get his chance. He is so very young. Adam Schiff will eventually move up. He is very well-liked. No need to replace Schiff, he is doing good for the Armenian Cause.

Sorry Karakash, John Sweeney's only Armenian forebearer is his Armenian maternal grandfather. He is only 1/4 Armenian. The "strict father" Vartan has chastized me in this thread for discussing non-Federal judges and other Armenian officeholders. I believe you will soon get a tongue-lashing from him.

Sip is not attacking your beliefs. He is stating that your beliefs do not coincide with reality. To think that these guys are sinners is ignorant thinking from the time the Old Testament was written. We know today that these guys are not put together "normally." I guess even God makes mistakes. I do not condone them politicizing their situation, but otherwise, leave them alone as you would any other abnormality. There were times that childen born with abnormalities were put to death. We have as a civilization advanced beyond that stage. If you don't like homosexuality become a geneticist and work toward eliminating it in future babies. But don't condemn these people for what they were born with.