An Outrageous Denial Of Armenian Genocide

[NoComment]

by the way Artusian, I didn´t know that you can perfectly express yourself in french as you did post the same topic today in a french-armenian forum

 

http://www.netarmenie.com/forum/viewtopic....highlight=#8275

 

that make me wondering artusian who you really are and why you keep doing this

 

well done dud

I do understand why you want that Arpa gonna keep this thread

my furkish friend

keep trying

 

 

 

[artusian]

NO comment,

 

I do not understand. I am French speaker and I write in French, is this a problem. I do not understand.

 

Again why do you defend that doctor and his statement, I do not understand, please explain why

 

[artusian]

NO comment

 

I am sure you write perfect Swedish. So is it a problem for you

[artusian]

The whole idea was to reveal the character of the individual doctor. I thought that would be interest to people,

I am surprised to see the reactions . Why is there a fight shouldn't we talk about this

[Boghos]

80 posts including mine to discuss an absolutely irrelevant doctor of whichever persuasion...

[Arpa]

80 posts including mine to discuss an absolutely irrelevant doctor of whichever persuasion...

Barev Boghos, my long lost Marashtsi brother, the voice of wisdom. Long time no see. Chots is, aghviur is? (that is in Marash dialect).

How is the fact that this idiot is a doctor has any relevance? How is his MD diploma make him an authority in these matters? Should he not, as doctor concentrate on looking down his patients' rectums rather than meddle with such issues, and , in the process get off out out rectums??

Should anyone feels the urge to respond to this quack, you have my permission to use the word "rectum" and tell him where he belongs.

Edited January 6, 2008 by Arpa

[artusian]

Arpa,

 

I am sorry you are right. I did not mean bad, I see what you mean. The doctor is a joke. A real joke Sorry, my last post on the thread here

 

[Arpa]

Arpa,

 

I am sorry you are right. I did not mean bad, I see what you mean. The doctor is a joke. A real joke Sorry, my last post on the thread here

IREST MY CASE!

Once again, in the words of that great philosopher, Pres. Reagan;

Mr. Gorbachev, dear mods,....

PLEASE SHUT THIS THREAD DOWN!

[Ashot]

IREST MY CASE!

Once again, in the words of that great philosopher, Pres. Reagan;

Mr. Gorbachev, dear mods,....

PLEASE SHUT THIS THREAD DOWN!

Arpa jan, let it be, it has info in it for everyone to read! let it be, I sometimes will come here and read your wise words when you are not around!!!

[Hellektor]

Ariel Barking jackal: (Armenian Tale of Turkish Genocide Simply Untrue

During World War I, the nationalist Armenian movement was egged on by Czarist Russia to revolt against the Turks. This was designed to protect the flank of the Russian Empire from an attack by Germany's ally Turkey.

 

The Armenians obliged and unleashed an unprecedented terrorist campaign against ethnic Turks that resulted in the deaths of tens of thousands of civilians.

 

The Ottoman Turks ordered the Armenians ousted from the affected areas. In the process, many were killed by the Kurdish gangs, many died of infections and starvation -- although it should be stated that Turks were dying like flies as well, and from the same causes.

This is the typical Turkish "It was war... People died" and "Armenians betrayed their "masters", they got what they deserved" denial rubbish to the defecators of which I have always posed the following questions that were always left unanswered:

 

I. What about the Hamidian Genocide of 1894-1897 where about 250,000 to 300,000 Armenians were slaughtered all over the Empire of Rape? Check this bibliography of almost a thousand studies that deal only with the Hamidian Genocide.

 

It was not war, but people died.

 

II. If all those millions of women, children and elderly were armed to their teeth rebels, how come they did not rebel and walked like sheep to roast in the desert?

 

But there was no genocide, because of the lack of intent or organized action on the part of the Turkish government to exterminate Armenians as such. The "ethnic cleansing" was limited to Eastern Anatolia. No Armenian in Istanbul was expelled or harmed.

Hey piece of Ariel Barking kosher shit, the name of my abused and occupied country is Armenia. "Eastern Anatolia" is a fabricated, genocidal term which confirms the Armenian Genocide. What was the name of the country you have changed into Israel?

 

Below is a prescription from Hell Doctor. Repeat the following a hundred times a day, you might actually be cured:

 

Armenia was NEVER part of Anatolia.

Armenia is OUTSIDE Anatolia.

Anatolia is OUTSIDE Armenia.

Armenia has NEVER been inside Anatolia.

Armenia has ALWAYS been outside Anatolia.

Anatolia has NEVER included Armenia.

Anatolia excludes Armenia.

Armenia is excluded from Anatolia.

Armenia and Anatolia are excluded from one another.

Armenia and Anatolia are not included in the same region.

Armenian western border touches the eastern border of Anatolia.

Anatolian eastern border touches the western border of Armenia.

When you are inside Anatolia you are OUTSIDE Armenia.

When you are inside Armenia you are OUTSIDE Anatolia.

Armenia and Anatolia are not the same.

Anatolia and Armenia are not the same.

Armenia and Anatolia are two DISTINCT geographical regions.

 

[Hellektor]

I suggest they concentrate on their holo-shmolo (or was it holo-shlomo? Mods don't delete my post I'm not denying anything) thing and keep their crooked noses out of the business of our rather dolma shaped noses.

 

He is a medical doctor my vorik.

So was Dr. Mengele a medical physician

Actually, the whole Doctor Mengele thing is believed by some to be a hoax (Mods don't delete my post I'm not denying anything) like many other things the jhuds say.

 

[Ashot]

I suggest they concentrate on their holo-shmolo (or was it holo-shlomo? Mods don't delete my post I'm not denying anything) thing and keep their crooked noses out of the business of our rather dolma shaped noses.

 

 

Actually, the whole Doctor Mengele thing is believed by some to be a hoax (Mods don't delete my post I'm not denying anything) like many other things the jhuds say.

Very well said and explaind, thanks for the post and the article about the first massacres of the Ottomans against Armenians!!!

I belevie the fight for the Genocide recognition of the 1915 is supported by being the first of the century, since the Genocide of 1894 a whole 100 years passed and it cannot be brought back into question, it's the first 100 years that counts! so lets put the history of 1894 aside and work on the 1915!

[Takoush]

This is the typical Turkish "It was war... People died" and "Armenians betrayed their "masters", they got what they deserved" denial rubbish to the defecators of which I have always posed the following questions that were always left unanswered:

 

I. What about the Hamidian Genocide of 1894-1897 where about 250,000 to 300,000 Armenians were slaughtered all over the Empire of Rape? Check this bibliography of almost a thousand studies that deal only with the Hamidian Genocide.

 

It was not war, but people died.

 

II. If all those millions of women, children and elderly were armed to their teeth rebels, how come they did not rebel and walked like sheep to roast in the desert?

 

 

Hey piece of Ariel Barking kosher shit, the name of my abused and occupied country is Armenia. "Eastern Anatolia" is a fabricated, genocidal term which confirms the Armenian Genocide. What was the name of the country you have changed into Israel?

 

Below is a prescription from Hell Doctor. Repeat the following a hundred times a day, you might actually be cured:

 

Hellektor jan, I often times said the same thing in here or elsewhere. If WWI erupted and people simply died then why the bloody Abdul Hamid attacked and concentrated solely on massacring Armenians about 250,000-300,000 of us in 1895 through 1896? Was there a war then too?

 

And how come pretty much a whole race of the Armenians were slaughtered in 1915; children, women and all? Were they all armed? The children and the women too?

 

May God forbid if Ahmadindjad says that the Haulocaust never happened. Then only then they get infuriated those Israeli Jewish saints.

 

According to NoComment we should think twice, no excuse me three, four, five, six, seven times before we say the truth about denialist jews. Lest this time they won't be on the bloody side of the freaking furks.

[Arpa]

Above I alluded to Dr. Kevorkian. It was not an idle talk. Even if many of us may differ on his “fame”, his fate was predetermined when he spoke the following lines.

“solution" -- the massacre of millions of Armenians in a holocaust the rest of the world mostly ignored.

"I wish my forefathers went through what the Jews did," Kevorkian said later. "The Jews were gassed. Armenians were killed in every conceivable way. Pregnant women were split open with bayonets and babies were taken out. They were drowned, burned, heads were smashed in vises. They were chopped in half.

"So the Holocaust doesn't interest me, see? They've had a lot of publicity, but they didn't suffer as much."

Jack grew up in a crowded neighborhood of Armenians, Greeks, and Bulgarians. His father,”[/bi]

See the full article here;

http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/ke...thchapters.html

 

[AK-47]

Barev Boghos, my long lost Marashtsi brother, the voice of wisdom. Long time no see. Chots is, aghviur is? (that is in Marash dialect).

That makes us three Arpa

[AK-47]

May God forbid if Ahmadindjad says that the Haulocaust never happened. Then only then they get infuriated those Israeli Jewish saints.

Yes and some Armenians really jumped the gun on criticizing our government's decision to award Ahmadinejad with a medal a few months ago without realising that denialists like Shimon Peres run rampant and suck Turkish d!ck every now and then when it comes to the Armenian Genocide.

Edited January 7, 2008 by AK-47

[Hellektor]

I belevie the fight for the Genocide recognition of the 1915 is supported by being the first of the century, since the Genocide of 1894 a whole 100 years passed and it cannot be brought back into question, it's the first 100 years that counts! so lets put the history of 1894 aside and work on the 1915!

Hi Ashot jan,

 

I don't care about the recognition of the Armenian Genocide. It has already been recognized and to no avail. Everybody knows it happened. I mean I don't give a semi-flying duck for some crocodile tears from certain states. Our most important issue is Artsakh, i.e. the keeping of the liberated land.

 

Territory, that's what it's all about.

It was the reason for the Armenian Genocide.

It was the reason for the genocide of the Armenians in fake "Azerbaijan", the continuation of the AG.

It's the reason the Turk sucking West, especially the Judeo-Saxon bastards won't let us be and are insisting on the evacuation of Armenian troops from the liberated lands, the point that pops up everywhere they talk about Artsakh. Yet there's no mention of 400,000 Armenian real refugees, nor Sumgait, Baku, Gandzak, Shahoomian, Maragha, etc., genocidal acts, nor mention of the Jugha destruction, nor the fact that fake "Azerbaijan" perpetrate the war.

 

Now to what you say:

 

First: Genocide is a crime that legally speaking does not expire with time, as long as it is pursued of course.

 

The Armenian Genocide did not start and did not end in 1915. It started the ill day the grandpaws and grandclaws of the Turks set their filthy, cloven hoofs this side of the Caspian a bit more than nine centuries ago. However, the recent, meticulously planned and diabolically executed Armenian Genocide started in 1894 and continued until 1923, by THREE consecutive Turdish governments: bloodsucking Abdulhamid, Young Jurks and Hammal Cacaturk.

 

We have to insist on the Hamidian Genocide, because it was the beginning of the annihilation of the Armenian nation in their homeland for thousands of years, in the time when there was no war but people died. This is the best answer to their lie "It was war... People died" to shut their stinking, bloody muzzles.

 

 

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I have said it a thousand times before but since not everybody reads everyone else's posts I copy/paste it once more with some updating:

 

Since for decades Armenia did not exist as an independent state, Armenians had to do all they could to get the Armenian Genocide recognized and did not have the legal power, i.e. an independent state, to enforce the Wilsonian Arbitration. This is why we have stayed in the same phase where we should have moved on after the independence of RoA from Soviet Sionist tyranny.

 

J*ws use this mistake of ours, and the comparison to their case, where they got Palestine as a result of world pity for what had happened to them, aims to push us away from our real goal. Our case is exactly the opposite. We lost our homeland as the result of genocide. We don't need pity from the world to get back the 40% of our homeland legally ceded to us by Turkey in 1920.

 

The Woodrow Wilson Arbitration was AGREED on by over 18 countries including the internationally recognized delegations of the Armenians and the Ottomans. This has nothing to do with the Armenian Genocide and recognition or non-recognition of it doesn't lessen its legality. It is the DUTY of all the parties that signed the treaty to force Turkey to demilitarize the legally ceded land, (the vilayets of Van, Karin (Erzeroum), Baghesh (Bitlis) and Trabizond) and hand over its administration to the Republic of Armenia, the legal owner of those territories.

 

The Jewish congress of the United Slaves of Jhudistan is using the issue as a lever to emotionally blackmail Turks and Armenians alike to get what they want from both: Concessions from the Turks, endless waiting for recognition so that only after that we'll be allowed to shift to the compensation phase. This is why I believe the jUS congress will never pass that insignificant 106 resolution.

 

The government of RoA MUST start demanding the delineation of the Turkish-Armenian border according to the ONLY legal treaty signed by the interested sides and a host of other powers, who have the duty to enforce the decisions of Wilson's arbitration, regardless of genocide recognition and what not. Of course, we will demand compensation for all the murdered Armenians and all the destruction to our civilization and monuments after Turkey's recognition whenever that may be.

 

For now, to hell with recognition! I want my home back and I don't want the murderous parasite that's squatting there in it.

 

[Ashot]

Ammen Helektor jan!!!

We are with you!!!

[NoComment]

yeah right Anahid

 

the respons of this denialism was to denial the Shoah by using racistic terms as to qualify ALL the J community

 

the BIG problem here is that only one did react to this crap (Vava), and I wonder why they didn´´t delete this thread

 

You are just giving a reason

1) to the J community not to support the resolution

2) to the J community who support this resolution to think about it twice

 

and you are indeed helping the furkish people to present us as racist, antisemit and extremist

 

Just keep doing this

 

As Artusian did, in the opposit, others can use this thread to show how we are, even if a simple topic doesn´t representant nothing as this so called doctor

 

In Europe, in France especially, some journalists and some politicians did use ”topics" and "arguments” (which were absolutely non representativ) from the Internet to developp their point of vue during the debate around the law condemning the denialism of the armenian genocide, and this dear lady against us

 

 

 

 

 

 

[Boghos]

Barev Boghos, my long lost Marashtsi brother, the voice of wisdom. Long time no see. Chots is, aghviur is? (that is in Marash dialect).

How is the fact that this idiot is a doctor has any relevance? How is his MD diploma make him an authority in these matters? Should he not, as doctor concentrate on looking down his patients' rectums rather than meddle with such issues, and , in the process get off out out rectums??

Should anyone feels the urge to respond to this quack, you have my permission to use the word "rectum" and tell him where he belongs.

 

Hello dear Arpa, always good to hear from you.Everything is fine.I am not sure one can speak about proritizing at the national level, but if we could that has been a serious shortcoming of ours.

[micromike123]

Dear members of this discussion group, I am a new comer at this forum. The nasty post by "doctor" Barkan was actually the thing that triggered my search for the place to express my opinion on this matter. I wrote to various people at the Jewish Exponent several times - none of my messages were ever answered. I also wrote to the director of the Armenian Research Center at UM - no answer either... Below, I am sampling one of my letters....

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Dear Sir,

 

I am writing this message being extremely disturbed by the letter of "doctor" Ariel Barkan entitled "Armenian Tale of Turkish Genocide Simply Untrue", which was published on the Jewish Exponent's web page on the 17th of May 2007:

http://www.jewishexponent.com/article/13003/

 

In his message, "doctor" Barkan presents himself as an "Israeli Jew, originally from the former Soviet Union" and pretends to have "no dog in the Turkish-Armenian fight". The message of this "doctor" horrified me: he claims that there was no Genocide! In cold blood, this "doctor" writes that "there was no genocide because of the lack of intent or organized action on the part of the Turkish government to exterminate Armenians as such". He continues with the apotheosis of cynicism by saying that "the "ethnic cleansing" was limited to Eastern Anatolia. No Armenian in Istanbul was expelled or harmed." Not only this "doctor" shows his impotency as a scholar, but he has also guts to open his mouth and say such a nasty thing! I believe the pictures of Armenians murdered in Istanbul speak better than any words that are coming out of the dirty mouth of this "doctor": http://bibleprobe.com/christianmartyrs-armenia.htm

 

Monsignor Barkan's message left me speechless. I spent 6 years of my life in Armenia. I did see the results of this Genocide in broken families and nation being spread all over the world.

 

I do know that he is a "real" medical doctor and a professor:

http://www2.med.umich.edu/departments/endo...rnal%20Medicine

However, I cannot use the word "doctor" in affiliation with this monster.

 

"Doctor" Barkan's message smells very bad. Sadly, this bad smell comes from the mentioned page and it immediately links this "smelly doctor" to the University of Michigan (UM). "Doctor" Barkan is active in the area of cancer medicine. It is appropriate to mention here that the world-known UM Comprehensive Cancer Center and Geriatrics Center Building was erected largely because of the $3 mln. donation from the Mardigian Foundation (1996) started by Edward and Helen Mardigian whose family suffered from the Genocide and had to leave their homes is search for a safe life in the U.S.

 

I understand that the Jewish Exponent is probably acting from a position of a "free press" - that is to present any opinion. However, the democracy is not equal to anarchy, and the democracy should be built on dignity, pride, good manners and taste.

 

Needless to say that the term "Genocide" was introduced by the Jewish scholar Lemkin and was soon connected to the slaughter of millions of Armenians by the Turkish military.

 

"Doctor" Barkan has rather questionable reputation on the Internet. He is particularly active on the forums that are dedicated to the edged weapons, often presenting himself under different "stage names". Regardless of acting under different names, his identity was always revealed and he was expelled from several forums for his radical nationalistic views.

 

I urged the Jewish Exponent's administration to remove "doctor" Barkan's extremely inappropriate message from their web site to restore its decent image. However, they never responded to any of my messages and the message is still on their web page.

 

I am writing this letter to inform you about inappropriate behavior which should never come from the individual of medical profession. "Doctor" Barkan must be stopped and I urge you to take all necessary measures to stop this monster. The University of Michigan administration must be informed on the radically-nationalistic and chauvinistic views that are openly expressed by their employee. The effort must be taken to force the internet-based newspaper to remove Barkan's letter. The newspaper and the "evil doctor" must apologize for their evil action!

 

Sincerely yours,

Michael

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[Hellektor]

Another scum of the same caliber:

 

"Wednesday, 16 January 2008, by J.E. Botton

 

 

J.E.BOTTON, M.D

 

1503 Langhorne Road

 

Lynchburg 24503 style VA, 434-384 8169 jebotton@aol.com

 

Honorable Congresswoman Jo Ann Davis

 

Washington, DC Office 1123 Longworth House Office Building Washington, DC 20515

 

Dear Congresswoman Davis,

 

I am writing you this urgent letter to prevent if at all possible a tragic error in the upcoming vote on H.Res.106, "Affirmation of the United States Record on the Armenian Genocide Resolution."

 

Allow me to introduce my self: I am a retired neurosurgeon having practiced in Lynchburg, VA from 1961 to 1994. I became a US citizen in 1963. I was born in Istanbul, Turkey in 1929 as a Jewish citizen. I grew up in an environment which included citizens of Greek, Armenian, Jewish and Moslem backgrounds and enjoying a friendly harmony. I graduated from the elite Galatasaray High School with honors before obtaining my medical degree in Geneva, Switzerland in 1955. I later received my neurosurgical training at the Medical College of Virginia in Richmond before moving to Lynchburg.

 

During my years in Istanbul the difficulties experienced by all around WW I were well known with Turkey struggling for its survival in a war against the major world powers in an unfortunate alliance with Germany. During the same years the Armenian citizens encouraged by Russia, England and France organized revolutionary groups - Hunchak, Tashnak..- undertook what should be termed as a civil war against the Ottoman Empire with the hopes of establishing an Armenian state extending into a large part of the Turkish territories in the East. England, desperate to engage the USA under a very religious President Woodrow Wilson propagated thru an intensive process of disinformation the presumed facts that the Christian Armenians were being exiled south from the border against Russia and being killed in the process by the Moslem State.. There were tragic killings on both sides either by military activities but also from diseases and starvation. Later on the word genocide was applied by Armenians particularly in their Diaspora in Europe and in the US with an ever increasing number of deaths mentioned from year to year, well above the original Armenian population then in existence. No mention of the close to three million Moslem deaths resulting from this civil war as well WW I. Armenians had been well treated in the Ottoman Empire along with Greeks and Jews, serving in various professions as well as in Government. Armenians were in the latter capacity during those same years.. In not a too distant past the Arnenian terrorist group ASALA has also managed to kill dozens of Turkish Diplomats and their families in the US and in Europe.

 

My mother remembered the bombing of the Ottoman Bank in Istanbul by Armenian terrorists resulting in riots and counter actions by the State or ordinary citizens. Jews were and still are grateful for their rescue by Sultan Bayazit from the Spanish Inquisition late in the 15th Century and later during WW 2 by the Turkish Republic from the German killing fields across Europe. Along with the Nazis a volunteer Armenian group helped the transportation of Jews to the concentration camps..

 

Unfortunately Turkey has been too apathetic towards the accusations filled with increasing hatred and what I would call the Greatest Lie of the 20th century propagated by a rich Armenian lobby in Europe and the US. Only in recent years a better educated and aware Turkish generation has begun to try to counteract these lies and to some extent attempt to improve the bad press Turkey has suffered as a result of these allegations which expect the recognition of this so-called genocide, to be followed by monetary and territorial demands..

 

For most of its existence since 1923 the Turkish Republic has been a staunch friend of the US, as a member of NATO, during the Korean War, recently in the events in the Balkans and Afghanistan while allowing bases to the US in its territory. It was the first Moslem state to recognize Israel in 1949 with which it has been a very reliable ally.

 

I do not think the passage of HR 106 would be in the US interests in many ways, in today’s political situation in the Middle East and elsewhere but even more importantly the moral loss for the US by abiding to long standing misinformation. These allegations have NEVER been brought to a judicial venue such as the International Court. This was refused by the Armenians as being according to them a self evident fact.. I resent the attempts to compare these terrible events in the early 20th century to the Holocaust: Jews were killed systematically just for being Jews and certainly not for treason, terrorism or territorial demands.

 

Forgive me for this lengthy letter. I hope you will consider it and vote against HR 106.

 

Respectfully,

 

Dr J.E.Botton, FACS

 

Republican - VAMember of the Foreign Affairs Committee

 

Turquie News, Wednesday 16 January 2008"

 

 

 

[Ashot]

Should we organize some 10,000 letters to this fool, with a lot of facts in it for his ass to read? this is just b.s. everything he said has no evidence whatsoever...

Hell jan, was there any replies to this, or comments?

[Hellektor]

Should we organize some 10,000 letters to this fool, with a lot of facts in it for his ass to read? this is just b.s. everything he said has no evidence whatsoever...

Hell jan, was there any replies to this, or comments?

Ashot jan,

 

I don't know if there has been any reaction to this crap, but I have all the answers to his bullshit that I'll find one by one from my megafile and copy/paste and post it tomorrow.

 

Especially that Armenians collaborated with Nazis shit that comes from this alleged Jew is really tasteless given the fact that 300,000 Armenians died in WWII fighting a war that wasn't even theirs. They were the first to reach Berlin and the only Soviet army to do so and the state of Israel categorically denies the Armenian genocide.

 

Someone should remind this piece of kosher shit of the Jew Arminius Vambery who was a close "friend" of Abdulmejid and Abdulhamid and introduced Herzl to the sultan offering him to get rid of the Armenian question if he agreed to give them Palestine...

 

 

[Ashot]

Hell jan, when you post it let us know of the link please!