Nakharar Posted September 23, 2004 Report Share Posted September 23, 2004 Someone should tell them they haven't got the slightest chance whatsoever. I don't know who said it, but he said it best when referring to Turkey: A country of beggars and bootlickers. Their fetish with the EU is beyond pathetic. I find it quite sad that they are so eager to degrade themselves to the status of a lackey. Here in Germany all the newspapers and satire shows are having a field day with them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
THOTH Posted September 23, 2004 Report Share Posted September 23, 2004 EU Official Satisfied with Turkey's Reforms VOA News 23 Sep 2004, 12:20 UTC European Union Enlargement Commissioner Guenter Verhuegen says he is satisfied with Turkey's progress on reforms in the country's effort to join the 25-member group of nations. After meeting Thursday with Turkish Prime Minister Recep Tayyip Erdogan in Brussels, Mr. Verhuegen told reporters "there are no further conditions" necessary for the European Commission to make a recommendation on starting membership talks. EU leaders are expected to make a final decision at a summit in December on whether to start membership talks with Turkey. In another development, Turkish officials say parliament will reconvene Sunday to discuss differences over a delayed penal code reform package. Mr. Erdogan withdrew the package last week after conservatives insisted on criminaizing adultery. The EU was critical of that clause. Some information for this report provided by Reuters, AFP, AP. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
THOTH Posted September 23, 2004 Report Share Posted September 23, 2004 Turkish Failure To Enact Penal Reform Could Have Been 'disaster': Verheugen AFP: 9/23/2004 ANKARA, Sept 23 (AFP) - Turkey's failure to agree to enact a penal code reform crucial to its European aspirations could have resulted in "disaster," EU Enlargement Commissioner Guenter Verheugen said in an interview Thursday on Turkish television. Verheugen played down the importance of the adultery clause Turkish Prime Minister Recep Tayyip Erdogan's Justice and Development Party (AKP) wanted to introduce into the penal code reform bill, sparking a week of crisis between Brussels and Ankara. "It was not a matter of discussing the adultery clause," Verheugen said, his remarks in English translated simultaneously in a voiceover in Turkish. "What was important was that a major part of the penal code reform was delayed," he said, as a result of AKP insistence on criminalizing marital infidelity. "This could have turned into a disaster." The adultery issue, he said, "had negative repercussions on European public opinion, and I relayed what could happen if the clause were not withdrawn" in talks with Erdogan that broke the deadlock Thursday in Brussels. Verheugen is scheduled to release a vital report on October 6, assessing Turkey's readiness to engage in full membership talks with the EU. An EU summit on December 17 will base itself on the report's recommendations to decide on if and when to launch the accession negotiations. "We managed to solve the problem," Verheugen said of his meeting with Erdogan, there are no more obstacles as far as I am concerned." Immediately after the talks, Turkish officials announced that the house had been convened for an emergency session Sunday to enact the bill to bring the country's dated, 78-year-old criminal code up to European standards -- without the adultery clause. Asked to explain the crisis that caught everyone by surprise -- the reform bill was two articles from full enactment when the AKP withdrew it from the floor -- Verheugen said the matter was best "left to historians: it was a sudden, unexpected crisis." Verheugen praised Erdogan's "courageous leadership," saying the Turkish prime minister "took an important, courageous step." The commissioner reiterated that he did not believe Turkey would be ripe for full membership until at least 2015, even if it gets an immediate date to launch membership talks. Copyright 2004 Agence France Presse. All rights reserved. The information contained in the AFP News report may not be published, broadcast, rewritten or redistributed without the prior written authority of Agence France Presse. http://www.turkishpress.com/turkishpress/news.asp?ID=28223 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nakharar Posted September 23, 2004 Report Share Posted September 23, 2004 Thanks for putting it into context Thoth. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
15levels Posted October 6, 2004 Report Share Posted October 6, 2004 Please have your say on BBC website. We need Armenian voices there. http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/talking_point/3683204.stm Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Armen Posted October 6, 2004 Report Share Posted October 6, 2004 I think it will be better if we support Turkish membership in EU, even if AG recognition is not a condition. Eventually, if Turkey joins (which I don't think will happen), the country will lose its sovereignity. What's better than Turkey losing some degree of its sovereignity! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gamavor Posted October 6, 2004 Report Share Posted October 6, 2004 I went through some evolution recently, and I agree with Armen. The more Turks and Arabs in Europe and America the better for us. I believe all those who oppose turkish membership are racists. That would be our little Armenian revenge! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
15levels Posted October 6, 2004 Report Share Posted October 6, 2004 Well guys I just asked you to post there, I didnt tell you what to say Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ED Posted October 6, 2004 Report Share Posted October 6, 2004 Acording to EU Turkey had made significant progress into human rights issue for the last 3 years and its opening talks for the process of acceptance Turkey into EU but, lots of buts. It will be 50 years before Turkey will catch up with EU standards and who wants to carry a bag of bricks for next 50 years?? I for one wish to see it, let them get little acquainted. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Armen Posted October 6, 2004 Report Share Posted October 6, 2004 (edited) I totaly agree with Gamavor. Let them debate among themselves... It has been mentioned multiple times on this board and I want to mention it again from a different perspective. We need to get rid of the complex and get the AG out of our lives. The "victim mentality" is killing us and our essence. I believe that philosophically an Armenian is a person who stays "alive" mentally and spiritually despite all the calamities. That's our essence. We're survivors and creators of new life. Engineers, constructors, inventors etc. Not victims. Edited October 6, 2004 by Armen Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sasun Posted October 6, 2004 Report Share Posted October 6, 2004 I agree with you Armen. But I think we should convert the AG into a land claim cause rather than having it as a victimhood cause as it is now. As to Turkey joining EU, of course nobody is asking as so we might as well shut up and nothing would change as to the Europeans' decision. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nakharar Posted October 6, 2004 Report Share Posted October 6, 2004 I agree with you Armen. But I think we should convert the AG into a land claim cause rather than having it as a victimhood cause as it is now. As to Turkey joining EU, of course nobody is asking as so we might as well shut up and nothing would change as to the Europeans' decision. We possibly cannot claim land of another sovereign country, but those who still possess over title deeds may have a chance in the European Court of Human Rights to which Turkey is an accessory. It sounds a little far fetched, but I remember a case a couple of years ago where an Armenian from Lebanon went to court in Turkey to claim his territory in Adana. Not only that, but what is even more amazing is that he won the case. So all is not without hope. I agree with you Armen. We need to get this complex and all that is associated with the Turks and Turkey out of our system and all that reminds us of our painful past in order not to be lethargic anymore. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gamavor Posted October 6, 2004 Report Share Posted October 6, 2004 Nakharar, can you live with turks? You may claim your land, but the question is can you live among turks? At this point Armenia doesn't need more lands, however in near future when we need more land we simply need to take it and it doesn't matter if it is yours or not. You just go, kill whoever the owner is and take the land! That is how it works. That is how Amarrocans get it from Indians. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gamavor Posted October 6, 2004 Report Share Posted October 6, 2004 Engineers, constructors, inventors etc. and Lawyers! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Armen Posted October 6, 2004 Report Share Posted October 6, 2004 and Lawyers! style_images/master/snapback.png Sorry Gams Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nairi Posted October 6, 2004 Report Share Posted October 6, 2004 as there seem to be many admirers of Ataturk here as well. style_images/master/snapback.png I just noticed this when I checked the HQ site: Bus 35 vanaf CS, uistappen (get off at) Atatürk!! It's under Location + Traffic here: http://www.hqparty.nl/hqxl/indexmain.html I had NO IDEA that there was a bus stop in Amsterdam called Atatürk! Someone please explain to me why?? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DominO123 Posted October 6, 2004 Report Share Posted October 6, 2004 Nakharar, can you live with turks? You may claim your land, but the question is can you live among turks? At this point Armenia doesn't need more lands, however in near future when we need more land we simply need to take it and it doesn't matter if it is yours or not. You just go, kill whoever the owner is and take the land! That is how it works. That is how Amarrocans get it from Indians. style_images/master/snapback.png If your goal was to be satiric all those years, you match voltaire. Have you thought of writting a book with this style? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DominO123 Posted October 6, 2004 Report Share Posted October 6, 2004 (edited) I just noticed this when I checked the HQ site: Bus 35 vanaf CS, uistappen (get off at) Atatürk!! It's under Location + Traffic here: http://www.hqparty.nl/hqxl/indexmain.html I had NO IDEA that there was a bus stop in Amsterdam called Atatürk! Someone please explain to me why?? style_images/master/snapback.png If that is so, search if you could find a bus station called Hitler. Edited October 6, 2004 by Fadix Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nakharar Posted October 6, 2004 Report Share Posted October 6, 2004 (edited) Nakharar, can you live with turks? You may claim your land, but the question is can you live among turks? At this point Armenia doesn't need more lands, however in near future when we need more land we simply need to take it and it doesn't matter if it is yours or not. You just go, kill whoever the owner is and take the land! That is how it works. That is how Amarrocans get it from Indians. Armenians and Turks will never live together on the same land. One of the good things for the Armenians is that we will never have to meet them anymore. They will go their own way and we our own. With land I meant personal property. But I support those people who might take action in court to reclaim lost houses and farm lands just to make a point in case. It will be a sort of vindication and also cathartic. Even if they win, they and anyone else knows that they won't settle there but that is not the issue. Edited October 6, 2004 by Nakharar Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gamavor Posted October 6, 2004 Report Share Posted October 6, 2004 By killing I mean mass killing! If you kill one or two turks it won't work. We need to kill as much as needed to meet our goals. Voltaire! No, I would rather be some of his heroes. To be honest, only Candid comes to mind. Nakharar, I agree with your point. Yes of course, those who can take back their lands should pursue their rights. Moreover, we need to advocate Turkey’s entry into EU because that way the value of those lands will go up. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skhara Posted October 6, 2004 Report Share Posted October 6, 2004 Voltaire! No, I would rather be some of his heroes. To be honest, only Candid comes to mind. Hero of the Bulgars. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gamavor Posted October 6, 2004 Report Share Posted October 6, 2004 Hero of the Bulgars. style_images/master/snapback.png I think Candid was hero only to his own kind! What happened to your smile Skhara? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DominO123 Posted October 7, 2004 Report Share Posted October 7, 2004 Voltaire! No, I would rather be some of his heroes. To be honest, only Candid comes to mind. Nahh, he's too "Turkish." We need a more middle Eastern for you. How about Zadig? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gamavor Posted October 7, 2004 Report Share Posted October 7, 2004 Cool, but do not expect me to go bare foot, not shaven (more than a week), long oily hair, long white robe and giving lectures to bunch of Jews and Samartians.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
15levels Posted October 7, 2004 Report Share Posted October 7, 2004 Armen jan. I dont think all of us live with the "victim syndroms". this is more a matter of honor for me, for example. I dont consider myself a victim and yet I will do anything in my power (design posters for example, raise awareness among those who dont know) to have it recognized by as many countries as possible. Yes, great unjustice was done to us, yet we survived and builded. So we are not victims. We just want justice so we can light a candle for 1.5 million souls which perished under the turkish knife. That's how I see it at least. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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