MosJan Posted April 22, 2004 Report Share Posted April 22, 2004 Canada recognise officially the genocide. AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH!!! Get the TURKS!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wh00t Posted April 22, 2004 Report Share Posted April 22, 2004 Wh00t, so great to see you... Great too see you too Azat How've you been doing?? I am smack dab in the middle of exams but I just had to take time off to watch the development of this most momentous occasion. I am very proud of this country right now, the way the MPs were flashing smiles and thumbs-up to Assadourian, the applause, and also the multipartisan support. You can't imagine how shocked I was to see guys like Cauchon and Dhaliwal stand up during the "yeas".. I was like did I just see that?? First the New York Times, now this.. these past few days have produced the most significant events for the advancement of the Armenian cause since the filming of ARARAT. Right in time for April 24th. Now to sit back and enjoy the threats, condemnations and ambassador recall (possibly) from Turkey. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DominO123 Posted April 22, 2004 Author Report Share Posted April 22, 2004 Now to sit back and enjoy the threats, condemnations and ambassador recall (possibly) from Turkey. Yeap! I will sit and watch the show just like you... don't forget the popcorns. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MosJan Posted April 22, 2004 Report Share Posted April 22, 2004 Bla Bla Bla My apologies. Bla la la la Goodbye! Lord FedX may I go back to work now??? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vava Posted April 22, 2004 Report Share Posted April 22, 2004 Congratulations everyone! This is a great day for Canadians and CanArmenians (even the French ones ) whoot, welcome back :D Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sasun Posted April 22, 2004 Report Share Posted April 22, 2004 Wow, such a good news! Domino, you had me believed that it won't pass, you were too angry bud Maybe the MPs saw your angry comments on this board and went on to do the right thing OK, congrats to everyone. The resolution has visited North America now! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Armat Posted April 22, 2004 Report Share Posted April 22, 2004 I share your joys!Another brick has fallen. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MosJan Posted April 22, 2004 Report Share Posted April 22, 2004 CANADA RECOGNIZES ARMENIAN GENOCIDE --NATO member joins growing number of nations officially recognizing Turkey's crime against humanity --ANCA Praises ANC of Canada for success in two Decades-long effort OTTAWA (ANCA)--With an overwhelmingly favorable vote of 153 to 68 in Parliament today, North Atlantic Treaty Organization (NATO) member Canada joined the growing number of nations that have formally recognized the Armenian Genocide, reported the Armenian National Committee of America (ANCA). The motion reads, simply "That this House acknowledges the Armenian genocide of 1915 and condemns this act as a crime against humanity.' "Armenians in America and throughout the world welcome this historic step by Canada," said Aram Hamparian, Executive Director of the ANCA. "The Canadian Parliament, in rejecting intense Turkish government pressure, took an important step in further isolating Turkey for its shameful, international campaign of genocide denial." Today's action, which followed yesterday's second reading of the Armenian Genocide Resolution, Bill M-380, is the culmination of more than twenty years of work by the Armenian National Committee of Canada, (ANCC) in Ottawa, Toronto, Montreal, Vancouver, and throughout the country. An ANCC team has been in the nation's capital for the past several weeks representing the community's views on this matter. Bill M-380 was introduced last year by Madeleine Dalphond-Guiral (Bloc Québecois), seconded by Sarkis Assadurian (Liberal), Alexa McDonogugh (National Democratic Party), Jason Kenney (Conservative Party). On February 21st, the Parliament held its first reading, which included an hour of debate on the measure. Among those speaking in favor of the Resolution during the first reading were Derek Lee (Liberal), Eleni Bakopnaos (Liberal), Francine Lalonde (BQ), Stockwell Day (PC) and the Hon, Lorne Nystrom (NDP). The governing Liberal leadership paved the way for this vote by allowing a "free vote," meaning that individual members are allowed to vote their conscience, without any pressure or negative repercussions from their respective party leaderships. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MosJan Posted April 22, 2004 Report Share Posted April 22, 2004 Commons vote recognizes Armenian genocide as "crime against humanity" ALEXANDER PANETTA Canadian Press OTTAWA (CP) - Canada became one of few countries to formally recognize the genocide of Armenian Turks during the First World War in a strongly worded motion adopted 153-68 in the House of Commons on Wednesday. Government members were discouraged from voting for the motion, which is sure to anger a Turkish government that has never recognized the massacre of 1.5 million Armenians starting in 1915. Following a charged debate at their weekly closed-door caucus meeting, Liberal backbenchers voted massively in favour while the party's cabinet contingent rejected the Bloc Quebecois motion. Prime Minister Paul Martin was absent during the politically sensitive vote but Foreign Affairs Minister Bill Graham defended the government's opposition. The Turkish government has warned that recognizing the genocide could have economic consequences and Graham said he wanted to maintain good relations with Turkey. "Turkey is an important NATO ally in a region where it is a Muslim country with a moderate government," he said. "What we seek to do in our foreign policy is to encourage the forward dimension, we're forward-looking. We'd like our Armenian friends and our Turkish friends to work together to put these issues in the past." The motion read: "That this House acknowledges the Armenian genocide of 1915 and condemns this act as a crime against humanity." The Turkish government rejects the charge of genocide as unfounded and says that while 600,000 Armenians died, 2.5 million Muslims perished in a period of civil unrest. Unlike the Liberal government most opposition MPs - including Conservative Leader Stephen Harper - voted in favour of the motion, which places Canada in a category of only about two dozen countries to have recognized the Armenian genocide. The United Nations has also recognized the massacre, and Armenians have been fighting for decades throughout the world for that sort of acknowledgement. One opposition critic labelled the prime minister "hypocritical" for promising more free votes and then forcing ministers to toe the line on such a matter of deep personal conscience. "It's a terrible double standard for Paul Martin to force his ministers to vote against it and not even show up himself," said Tory foreign affairs critic Stockwell Day. "That is a hypocritical double standard." Liberal Hedy Fry supported the motion but said it's important to note the atrocities were carried out under the Ottoman empire, which has faded into history and was long ago replaced by a modern Turkish state. "I think we need to recognize the past," she said. "I think it doesn't mean we've broken ties with the current regime in Turkey. They are our colleagues, they are our NATO allies. They are a moderate, Muslim government and I think we need to work with them. Recognizing what happened in the Ottoman empire shouldn't affect Canada's diplomatic relations with Turkey, she said. Fry and many other former Liberal cabinet ministers who are now backbenchers also voted in favour, including Martin Cauchon, Stephane Dion, Maurizio Bevilacqua, Lyle Vanclief, Lawrence MacAulay, Herb Dhaliwal and David Kilgour Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gurgen Posted April 22, 2004 Report Share Posted April 22, 2004 (edited) Wonderful news Congratulations to all that made this happen. Another step has been taken towards worldwide recognition. Edited April 22, 2004 by gurgen Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ED Posted April 22, 2004 Report Share Posted April 22, 2004 I was Happy at first when I heard the news, then a my mood turned to somber realizing again what a “joy” it is to hear some advanced country had after 90 years recognized our victims, ironic, some of you may still be enjoying this news, however we still have a long road ahead of us, and I wish in a near future countries in this world can get to know us for our achievements rather then looses we suffered, never less, thank you Canada! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kanted Posted April 22, 2004 Report Share Posted April 22, 2004 Well, this is my first post on this site and I am happy that it concerns the recognition of the Armenian Genocide by Canada. At first, I was sceptic that the motion will not pass again (it was shelved and almost ignored for the pass 20 years) but as soon as the results came in, goosebumps stepped in and I couldn't believe my eyes and ears! Truly one for the books! After driving around town with Armenian flags and a huge smile on everybody's faces, we went and celebrated with whiskey, wine and music... This is truly an important step for us all (I think everybody knows that already) and I hope it will give us extra strength to carry this memoriable torch for all the following upcoming achievements that we will succeed in accomplishing, that I am sure of! All this wouldn't have happened without all the work and the dedication people have done with emails, postcards, campaigning, getting in touch with the MPs... Thank you all! Now, I should stop rambling and get to my point. In two days from now, every Armenian (i hope ) will show their appreciation for the recognition that Canada has given us and most importantly will come to Ottawa for the remembrance of all the victims of the Genocide. Seeing this newly found step has come upon us, I will try to grasp this special moment as much as possible by shooting a short documentary of all the work that has been done for this motion to pass. I will attend a vigil that will take place on the 23rd in Ottawa, starting from 8:30pm until 10am, where my fellow Armenians will light candles for every single victim. Now, the question that I wanted to ask is: does anybody know a way to get their hands on the actual video footage of the hearing that went through in the House of Commons? I tried getting it from the Canadian Parliament's website, thinking they would have some sort of archive, but no luck. If anybody knows a way, it will be greatful! If not... it's all good On a last note... Congratulations to Everyone for the hard work and the end result! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arpa Posted April 22, 2004 Report Share Posted April 22, 2004 Am I too naively optimistic? Is this another beginning of an end? Fifteen years ago we witnessed another beginning of an end when the Berlin Wall came down. It has been 15 years. Are we in another 15 year cycle? Prime Minister Paul Martin was absent during the politically sensitive vote but Foreign Affairs Minister Bill Graham defended the government's opposition. The Turkish government has warned that recognizing the genocide could have economic consequences and Graham said he wanted to maintain good relations with Turkey. "Turkey is an important NATO ally in a region where it is a Muslim country with a moderate government," he said. Once there was the mighty Soviet Empire. It was the last of a series of empires to bite the dust. Since then there are a couple of mighty empires and and few minor ones (Turkey being one of the latter). In the above quote we read how "Turkey is an important NATO ally". Speaking of empires and alliances. Does anyone remember SEATO, South East Asia Treaty Organization or ANZUS, Australia New Zealand US. These were all treaties and alliances created after WWII just as NATO was. For a long time the latter was a small "private club" of mostly westeren European countries Turkey being kind of a distant cousin, mainly because of its geographical advantage. Just recently NATO has grown to twice its original number with the induction of such disparate countries, and whereby diminishing Turkey's strategic importance. Disparate countries indeed, some of them have the same value as Turkey did at one time by their proximity to the Russian Empire, yet disparate they are nevertheless. Many of the new NATO inductees have their own problems and agendas with their own neighbors just as Turkey has with its "brother in NATO" Greece. Has the NATO grown too big too fast for its own good? Will it burts at the seams and fall by its own wait? At this point, the way I see it the US is its biggest proponenent and champion, I don't think the Europeans, specially the more affluent west really care that much. The newer members may benefit at the present but slowly and eventually the EU will take over where NATO has left. Let's consider the above quote again. We have been hearing that cliche ad infinitum and ad nauseam ever since WWII. But look what happened in Ottawa. Remember what happened in Paris and many other world capitals? Just recently the New York Times joined other influential papers and reversed its decades long stance vis a vis the "Genocide". Can we all join in singing; "This is the dawning of the age of...Armenius..." Whatever happened to the "staunch NATO ally"? Whatever happened to Ankara's saber? You mean the NYT is not a subsidiary of Ankara Times? How come it does not rattle and scare Washington anymore? Did Turkey take too much for granted when it declined the US forces pasage to Baghdad? Has Ankara stuck out its tongue and thumbed its nose to the West once too many times? Whatever happened to the "tail that wgged the dog"? Did someone cut that tail? It it is time to hit and hit hard as the iron is hot. Has NATO become another "parap takar"? Is this another beginning of an end? Note. There is talk in Washington to disengage the US forces in Iraq and replace it with NATO. It will be interesting to see what happens. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DominO123 Posted April 22, 2004 Author Report Share Posted April 22, 2004 Now, the question that I wanted to ask is: does anybody know a way to get their hands on the actual video footage of the hearing that went through in the House of Commons? I tried getting it from the Canadian Parliament's website, thinking they would have some sort of archive, but no luck. If anybody knows a way, it will be greatful! If not... it's all good Did you contact the community center? I can not believe they have not record it. If they don't have it, you can contact directly the CPAC etc... and ask for a copy, should not be that hard. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bellthecat Posted April 22, 2004 Report Share Posted April 22, 2004 Get your @ss out of here. I am in good mood so don't make that change, and I have one place where individuals like you are kept out to not polute. You should be thanking Dan for his timely re-appearance. There you were ready to spew outlots of self-righteous bile onto Canada and Canadians. Then suddenly that target became unavailable. All that venom would have had to be retained (a physically dangerous thing to do - rather like stiffling a big sneeze) if Dan had not neatly stepped in as a substitute. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DominO123 Posted April 22, 2004 Author Report Share Posted April 22, 2004 You should be thanking Dan for his timely re-appearance. There you were ready to spew outlots of self-righteous bile onto Canada and Canadians. Then suddenly that target became unavailable. All that venom would have had to be retained (a physically dangerous thing to do - rather like stiffling a big sneeze) if Dan had not neatly stepped in as a substitute. I assume it is your cristal ball that told you so. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bellthecat Posted April 22, 2004 Report Share Posted April 22, 2004 No, your words told me. The kettle was beginning to boil. "COWARDS!!! THAT IS WHAT IT MEANS, THE FKING GOVERNMENT DECIDED TO KILL THE MOTION... COWARDS!!! AT the end they passed to an unofficial voice vote, and it was a clear no! .... So it will be probably defeated tomorrow. .... If you are not a Jew in the world, your voice will never get heard, a MORON from the conservative party has read a blaphemous paper that he obviously did not prepare." Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bellthecat Posted April 22, 2004 Report Share Posted April 22, 2004 The kettle was beginning to boil. Or should that have said - "the donkey was beginning to bray and kick" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gamavor Posted April 22, 2004 Report Share Posted April 22, 2004 Some very good points Arpa. Nato will be dead in 10-15 years, or transformed into something different. The argument made by many in Western political circules about Turkey's military importance are just hollow excuses. What happened with this most "reliable" ally when USA needed them for Iraq? There are some more examples of Western "morality" and Nato B/S but I would rather stop here. As to the last "wall", - I say lets keep it! Culture above all. Hell, we don't need this rotten box opened. They will bag for visas to the West and to the East for looooong time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DominO123 Posted April 22, 2004 Author Report Share Posted April 22, 2004 (edited) No, your words told me. The kettle was beginning to boil. "COWARDS!!! THAT IS WHAT IT MEANS, THE FKING GOVERNMENT DECIDED TO KILL THE MOTION... COWARDS!!! AT the end they passed to an unofficial voice vote, and it was a clear no! .... So it will be probably defeated tomorrow. .... If you are not a Jew in the world, your voice will never get heard, a MORON from the conservative party has read a blaphemous paper that he obviously did not prepare." I was finaly right, it was your cristal ball. I see nowhere in this quote anything supporting what you claimed as I was talking about the government(not the Canadians) trying to block a motion by forcing its deputees to vote against it when the very large majority of them(nearly all) wanted to vote for it. So neither what I said is innacurate, neither your answer had anything to do with reality. The next time the cat should "miaooow" only when it really hear the bell rather than when believing it is hearing it. Edited April 23, 2004 by Fadix Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mx5 Posted April 23, 2004 Report Share Posted April 23, 2004 http://www.canada.com/national/nationalpos...6e-3a6ff96a11a5 i love this.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vigil Posted April 23, 2004 Report Share Posted April 23, 2004 (edited) Though it is not our Parliament's job to point it out, Turkey's refusal to recognize the 1915 Armenian massacre is a stain on the country's international reputation. A stain is a delicate word more like they "$hitted" on any attempt to be identified as as a humanitarian nation. If you are giong to "put the lid on some nicly brewed $hit" than at least do it cleaverly like the Americans and English or do not even start the process of extermination at all. Edited May 31, 2004 by Vigil Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wh00t Posted April 24, 2004 Report Share Posted April 24, 2004 Thanks vava, how are you? BTW, you guys can watch a news report video here: http://www.cbc.ca/clips/mov/ditchburn_armenia0404211.mov , featuring a bunch of Turkish-Canadian crybabies bitching and moaning about how the MPs have "no idea" what they're doing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MJ Posted April 24, 2004 Report Share Posted April 24, 2004 I have been looking for the actual text of the Canadian Parliament resolution and couldn't find it. I came here hoping for the details, and sure it is nowhere to be found. (By the way, I couldn't find the text (at least in English) of the French Resolution either - even through the leading Armenian Genocide Studies institutions when appealing to them personally.) Over the last decade I have noticed an interesting pattern - the actual texts of resolutions of the Parliaments of the countries "recognizing the Genocide" are never presented along with the ovations and exaltations in the aftermath of "recognition." Is this a policy of dummying the Armenians (in Armenian it might sound as “apushatcum”) by the establishment of the Armenian Diaspora or another "opium" for the Armenian masses? Could someone post the actual text of the resolution, please - in English, if it exists? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DominO123 Posted April 24, 2004 Author Report Share Posted April 24, 2004 (edited) I have been looking for the actual text of the Canadian Parliament resolution and couldn't find it. I came here hoping for the details, and sure it is nowhere to be found. (By the way, I couldn't find the text (at least in English) of the French Resolution either - even through the leading Armenian Genocide Studies institutions when appealing to them personally.) Over the last decade I have noticed an interesting pattern - the actual texts of resolutions of the Parliaments of the countries "recognizing the Genocide" are never presented along with the ovations and exaltations in the aftermath of "recognition." Is this a policy of dummying the Armenians (in Armenian it might sound as “apushatcum”) by the establishment of the Armenian Diaspora or another "opium" for the Armenian masses? Could someone post the actual text of the resolution, please - in English, if it exists? Hmmm... sorry for having missed your post. Here it is. M-380(motion 380) That this House acknowledge the Armenian genocide of 1915 and condemn this act as a crime against humanity. As for the French one, it is a lot longer and more like a law rather than a motion, I don't know if I have it in English, just give me some times. Edited April 24, 2004 by Fadix Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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