Dan Posted January 26, 2004 Report Share Posted January 26, 2004 hmm, it seems like i've been having some problems with the forum.. everytime i post something, it takes me back to the main page and the posts don't appear.. ??? i'm not sure if it's a problem with my computer or the forum -- i posted a mssg a coupla minutes before this happened, so i don't think it's from my computer / internet.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anileve Posted January 26, 2004 Report Share Posted January 26, 2004 I sense a conspiracy theory Dan jan... Do this: 1. Tools->Internet Options> Delete Cookies, Files 2. Press Esc 2 times 3. Finally blow on the computer and that should clear the problem Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dan Posted January 26, 2004 Author Report Share Posted January 26, 2004 (edited) I sense a conspiracy theory Dan jan... Do this: 1. Tools->Internet Options> Delete Cookies, Files 2. Press Esc 2 times 3. Finally blow on the computer and that should clear the problem lol, at first I thought I was put on moderation for some odd reason, and in fact sent a PM to a mod about it, pheww, i'm glad it didn't get through (or I hope it didn't..) I can post now because I'm accessing the forum using a proxy.. hmm.. it could be my connection - but i don't know what triggered it.. i tried to log out and log back in, but when i did that, i couldn't log back in, until i used the proxy lol.. it does sound like a conspiracy. >< edit: i hate clearing all the cookies cos i don't remember all my passwords. Edited January 26, 2004 by Dan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Armen Posted January 29, 2004 Report Share Posted January 29, 2004 Moderators, the forum's quality is going down the spiral. This used to be a high calss place. I guess that's why I don't see MJ posting anymore. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
angel4hope Posted January 29, 2004 Report Share Posted January 29, 2004 dude if you think were posting BS..then start threads that u think are valuable...please do so...with seriousness u also have to have some fun and humor... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Azat Posted January 29, 2004 Report Share Posted January 29, 2004 Moderators, the forum's quality is going down the spiral. This used to be a high calss place. I guess that's why I don't see MJ posting anymore. Mods are very aware and concerned about this Armen jan, but we are not sure what we can do. Any suggestions? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Armen Posted January 29, 2004 Report Share Posted January 29, 2004 Mods are very aware and concerned about this Armen jan, but we are not sure what we can do. Any suggestions? Good to know Azat jan. Nothing specific for now but I'll think about it. Regards Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MosJan Posted January 29, 2004 Report Share Posted January 29, 2004 Armen jan wan you do - just send me a PM Thanks MOvses Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Twilight Bark Posted January 29, 2004 Report Share Posted January 29, 2004 (edited) Mods are very aware and concerned about this Armen jan, but we are not sure what we can do. Any suggestions? Suggestion: An easy one is to limit the number of posts an individual can make in a day, say a maximum of three. While curtailing the amount of vulgarity heaped into the forum directly, it would also discourage talentless bores from coming in the first place. There are many "public lavatories" on the internet for depositing verbal feces, this one does not need to serve that function. Lamentation: This forum used to fill a niche for intelligent conversation and exchange of thought. Not anymore. Its signal to noise ratio in that regard has been dismal. In fact, it is not the "forum" per se. The "clientele" has (probably permanently) changed. It is is a different forum now. Perhaps it is time to accept it. This change has been encouraged by a few old-timers; I hope they are happy with the "improvement" (I surmise that is how it should appear to them). I am somewhat pessimistic about the chances of reversing the change. There is a (very) finite supply of people online who are informed and have the time and the will to write intelligent material with no gratification in return. Those few have more or less said all they had to say. Since there are no new, significant issues, there is no compelling reason for continuing the spent topics, however "classy" they may sound. Edited January 29, 2004 by Twilight Bark Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MosJan Posted January 29, 2004 Report Share Posted January 29, 2004 thank you Twilight Bark I will be up till 4am So any more comments please don’t hesitate / and please no BS and this is not a pissing contest. It’s simply me asking you for your opinion… Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Accelerated Posted January 29, 2004 Report Share Posted January 29, 2004 I think Anonymouse should be made moderator with unlimited powers On a more serious note - perhaps a separate Section of the forum should be created for 'trash talk' and 'toilet humour' and moderators should be more strict when a thread is turning 'off-topic'. Also, the people that are complaining should perhaps initiate 'intelligent' discussions.... Thats all for now, will try to think of more..... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MosJan Posted January 29, 2004 Report Share Posted January 29, 2004 Thank you Accelerated who is next ??? It’s the forums anniversary 4 or 5th and I’m welling to take some opinions Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Armen Posted January 29, 2004 Report Share Posted January 29, 2004 Twighlight Bark. "An easy one is to limit the number of posts an individual can make in a day, say a maximum of three". Accelerated. "On a more serious note - perhaps a separate Section of the forum should be created for 'trash talk' and 'toilet humour...". I think these both would be very effective. And I would add one more. There is statistics under the avatar which says: ------------- Group: Posts: Member number: Joined: ------------- I would add "Mosts Posts in:" to that list so that if a member posts too much in "trash talk" or "toilet humor", it becomes a describtion of his character. We could combine all these... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sev-mard Posted January 29, 2004 Report Share Posted January 29, 2004 If where you post the most is the case, why don't people just "hang" out where they are most comfortable. I think the forum is alright, I have read many old posts and the flavor was definately different. I think the ratio of 'old grizzled vets' and 'newer high energy' is good. Things don't get too messy here, and believe me I know we've all seen more crass, back biting, name calling forums elsewhere. I think its cool when an older member comes into a topic as long as they don't just mock everyone it's a welcome addition, I feel all would agree. I'm new, and maybe part of the problem in the eyes of some of the vets, but I don't think Hyeforum is going down the tubes at all. I pick this place to hang out over other forums I used to frequent because people are treated like people here overall, with a mininum of hate, stupidity and like. I believe there are a wealth of intelligent topics, but as someone said, maybe people don't have time to write essays for public consumption. cheers Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dan Posted January 29, 2004 Author Report Share Posted January 29, 2004 (edited) You know, what's next -- having all new posts pass through a queue for moderators to read and approve???? Those who engage in intelligent conversations/discussions already do so, and those who don't, create a trash forum for them to post in, and you're done. ArmenSarq, and what made you say that in THIS post? Is asking a serious technical question about the board not serious enough for your tastes? And for one, I am yet to see an "intelligent" post by you. So why don't you stop b****ing and start posting some of that intelligent stuff for the lack of which you are complaining? Seriously, lighten up. And for the record, if MJ were so intelligent, he wouldn't have made a pastime out of bashing me in every thread. That goes to show his "class"... What's next, allowing only a select few to post because they are the only ones who engage in anthropological and scientific discussions? Why don't you make a password protected category for those few "intelligent" people then? That way us unintelligent folk can have no way of accessing it and ruining it all for you... lol, ArmenSarq, I am unable to comment about your "description" of character suggestion for lack of words... if you want to check out someone's activity on the forum, check their profile. Instead, what I would suggest is a "rating" feature that would enable all members to rate a threadand give reputation points. But that could get too messy and I'm not about to engage in a popularity contest.. Because, well, as some would say, that's too "gay"... I believe there are a wealth of intelligent topics, but as someone said, maybe people don't have time to write essays for public consumption. Exactly, sev-mard jan!! Edited January 29, 2004 by Dan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Azat Posted January 29, 2004 Report Share Posted January 29, 2004 (edited) Dan. come down buddy. Armen wasn't attacking you. Edited January 29, 2004 by MosJan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
THOTH Posted January 29, 2004 Report Share Posted January 29, 2004 TB - I agree and I disagree. Sure I would love to see more posts and involvement (information adn ideas) from folks who have knowledge and interest in wjats goign on in Armenian and in improving the conditions over there - and have ideas to do such, plans for such etc. And we seem to be lacking really knowledgeable and intererested folks in this area at this time...(though I would like to see such I do not fit this profile unfortunatly). I also like to see commentary and input on and about Armenians in the Diaspora - and we are seeing much of this IMO - and some of the changes in our forum are perhaps reflective of changes here as well- and that just is. I also like to see folks expressing (and sharing) their interest in arts and culture and history and life in general - and we have much of this. Overall I don't think that things are so bad - but yes could certainly be improved - and yes I would like to see less of the out and out useless/silly threads and posts...but what is one to do? (and some are fun as well - and I approve...I just said I would personally prefer less...) ...Have to work with what you have - and I don't see that we can't have a bit of both. It seems to me that when interested/knowledgeable folks post ineresting and worthwhile posts that normally they are followed by like discussion. So its up to those who care about such to initiate this sort of thing. And he - this is the internet...you will always have your Anonymouses and such...you just deal with the fact that you can't trust everything you read and that there will be a certain amount of out and out crap.... As for me I have considered leaving this forum recently, and still might..but for personal reasons...though I do admit that I find much (but not all) of the discussions of late much less interesting that they have been in the past. But on the other hand I do think there are some great new posters who have much worthwhile to contribute..even if it may not be along your ideal lines TB. I'm just not sure - for myself - that weeding through the chaff and all the rest is worthwhile for me right now..and perhasp you and others are at similar decision points....but whatever..its what you make of it I guess...and frankly I wouldn't have bothered this posting or any more at all if it wasn't for someone pleading with me not to leave because of the contention that what I post is/has been worthwhile...but perhaps they are mistaken eh? ...I am not so sure myself at times... For what might be valuable and interesting to some might just be total garbage to others...(and I can envision who is nodding their head thinking of my posts right now...)..but who is really to say who is right and who is wrong or better yet if both might be right and wrong... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Armen Posted January 29, 2004 Report Share Posted January 29, 2004 ArmenSarq, and what made you say that in THIS post? Is asking a serious technical question about the board not serious enough for your tastes? Dan, Dan, Dan. As Azat said I was not attacking you. Overall I like your posts and I have nothing against you. In fact I was not attacking anybody. I didn't want to open an almost similar thread that's why I posted it here. Dude, you're supposed to be attentive, sensetive and stuff, aren't you? And for one, I am yet to see an "intelligent" post by you. So why don't you stop b****ing and start posting some of that intelligent stuff for the lack of which you are complaining? It's not the level of intelligency that has gone down. There are many very smart topics being rased. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dan Posted January 29, 2004 Author Report Share Posted January 29, 2004 It's not the level of intelligency that has gone down. There are many very smart topics being rased. well, ok, i agree that there are a lot of silly topics that could all be put in one thread instead of a dozen threads... so maybe people should start doing that and using the search feature before posting something, to see if it has already been posted before.. as for the introduction threads, it could help to have a Sticky (pinned) thread for introductions. Every forum I go to has that sorta thing. Instead of starting new topics for each newcomer, they can just post and say hi in that thread.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Twilight Bark Posted January 29, 2004 Report Share Posted January 29, 2004 TB - I agree and I disagree. Sure I would love to see more posts and involvement (information adn ideas) from folks who have knowledge and interest in wjats goign on in Armenian and in improving the conditions over there - and have ideas to do such, plans for such etc. And we seem to be lacking really knowledgeable and intererested folks in this area at this time...(though I would like to see such I do not fit this profile unfortunatly). I also like to see commentary and input on and about Armenians in the Diaspora - and we are seeing much of this IMO - and some of the changes in our forum are perhaps reflective of changes here as well- and that just is. I also like to see folks expressing (and sharing) their interest in arts and culture and history and life in general - and we have much of this. Overall I don't think that things are so bad - but yes could certainly be improved - and yes I would like to see less of the out and out useless/silly threads and posts...but what is one to do? (and some are fun as well - and I approve...I just said I would personally prefer less...) ...Have to work with what you have - and I don't see that we can't have a bit of both. It seems to me that when interested/knowledgeable folks post ineresting and worthwhile posts that normally they are followed by like discussion. So its up to those who care about such to initiate this sort of thing. And he - this is the internet...you will always have your Anonymouses and such...you just deal with the fact that you can't trust everything you read and that there will be a certain amount of out and out crap.... As for me I have considered leaving this forum recently, and still might..but for personal reasons...though I do admit that I find much (but not all) of the discussions of late much less interesting that they have been in the past. But on the other hand I do think there are some great new posters who have much worthwhile to contribute..even if it may not be along your ideal lines TB. I'm just not sure - for myself - that weeding through the chaff and all the rest is worthwhile for me right now..and perhasp you and others are at similar decision points....but whatever..its what you make of it I guess...and frankly I wouldn't have bothered this posting or any more at all if it wasn't for someone pleading with me not to leave because of the contention that what I post is/has been worthwhile...but perhaps they are mistaken eh? ...I am not so sure myself at times... For what might be valuable and interesting to some might just be total garbage to others...(and I can envision who is nodding their head thinking of my posts right now...)..but who is really to say who is right and who is wrong or better yet if both might be right and wrong... Thoth, It's not so much a matter of being "right" or "wrong", or other pairs. It is about whether this forum will have a distinct character and function, or whether it will be just another chatroom where people come to simply discharge. There are countless Armenian sites where the grownup version of potty humor is the standard fare. In social interactions, including online ones, "like attracts like". Therefore social entitities such as companies, universities, and online forums crystallize into definite "cultures". My preference is for the forum to be as "intellectual" as possible, since the "fun" sites are dime-a-dozen. When I want to "have fun", I generally like to do that with real people, in real life, rather than online. And I see nothing wrong with separating a "fun" site from an "intellectual site". And just as there is a "decorum" to observe in many social situations, there is nothing wrong with (or impossible about) limiting the kind of fun one could have in this forum. I hope things are alright in your real life. Whatever the case may be, I personally do not demand or expect that anyone leave the forum. To the contrary, as many of the "old timers", I am on my way out. It just bothers me to see the only decent discussion forum to lose something it once had, that's all. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dan Posted January 30, 2004 Author Report Share Posted January 30, 2004 Twilight Bark, You're making it sound like it's utter disaster. Relax. If you think this place needs some intelligent discussions, your going away won't help, since you are one of the advocates of "intelligent" or "classy" threads. I don't see what your problem is with the "fun" posts. Just don't read them if you don't like them. In all forums, there is something called "general discussion" and discussions about different topics separated into different categories/sub-forums. Not all people have the time to type 2 pages in reply to a thread, I think we all pretty much have lives outside this forum (school, work, etc.), and most of us can check this board in between classes or during breaks while studying, etc. And while I definitely see a change in this forum from what it was when I first came on here to what it is now, you'd have to accept that to a certain extent. As a forum grows and gets new members, the chances of a lot of people agreeing with a suggestion or opinion diminish. Each new member is a different person with a different set of interests, and you can't force your ideal image of a forum on everyone and expect this place to be "successful" (or otherwise not dead..) That said, I also don't see why anyone should leave unless they really want to due to personal circumstances. Of course, you're free to leave, but it really annoys me when people come here and say they're leaving because there are no intelligent discussions, and in a way (whether intentionally or unintentionally) threatening (indirectly/subtly) for the mods to take an "action." I consider that childish. If you want some grown-up/mature discussions, all you have to do is click on a few buttons and type your message and post it. No one's holding you back. But don't try to force your ideologies on others, because that is a huge turn-off IMO. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Twilight Bark Posted January 30, 2004 Report Share Posted January 30, 2004 Twilight Bark, You're making it sound like it's utter disaster. Relax. If you think this place needs some intelligent discussions, your going away won't help, since you are one of the advocates of "intelligent" or "classy" threads. I don't see what your problem is with the "fun" posts. Just don't read them if you don't like them. In all forums, there is something called "general discussion" and discussions about different topics separated into different categories/sub-forums. Not all people have the time to type 2 pages in reply to a thread, I think we all pretty much have lives outside this forum (school, work, etc.), and most of us can check this board in between classes or during breaks while studying, etc. And while I definitely see a change in this forum from what it was when I first came on here to what it is now, you'd have to accept that to a certain extent. As a forum grows and gets new members, the chances of a lot of people agreeing with a suggestion or opinion diminish. Each new member is a different person with a different set of interests, and you can't force your ideal image of a forum on everyone and expect this place to be "successful" (or otherwise not dead..) That said, I also don't see why anyone should leave unless they really want to due to personal circumstances. Of course, you're free to leave, but it really annoys me when people come here and say they're leaving because there are no intelligent discussions, and in a way (whether intentionally or unintentionally) threatening (indirectly/subtly) for the mods to take an "action." I consider that childish. If you want some grown-up/mature discussions, all you have to do is click on a few buttons and type your message and post it. No one's holding you back. But don't try to force your ideologies on others, because that is a huge turn-off IMO. Dan, I did not say "I am leaving because the forum is an utter disaster". I didn't even say "I am leaving". By "I am on the way out", I am referring to a natural process. People come, contribute their perspective, which seems fresh for a while, and in the absence of compelling events or crises they run out of new things to say, and slowly diffuse away. My mental age is (and somewhat to my frustration it has always been) too old to say "I am leaving unless you do such and such". You are having (or rather trying to start) the wrong argument with the wrong person, at the wrong time, in the wrong topic. In any event, having contributed my bit over time, and being perpetually short of time, I must respectfully decline your invitation to "click on a few buttons and type your message and post it". My purpose in life does not include entertaining bores that don't know what to do with themselves. If you like it the way it is, that is fine. I simply responded to a call for suggestions about improving the forum's quality. And neither turning you on, nor avoiding turning you off has ever crossed my mind as a relevant issue. With all the respect that is due, TB Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dan Posted January 30, 2004 Author Report Share Posted January 30, 2004 Twilight Bark, I am not trying to start an argument. In fact, I don't have time for arguments or negativity, and hence why I adopted this attitude. In any event, having contributed my bit over time, and being perpetually short of time, I must respectfully decline your invitation to "click on a few buttons and type your message and post it". My purpose in life does not include entertaining bores that don't know what to do with themselves. May I suggest that you stop taking what I said so literally? I didn't say that you should make 2 word posts. I said, if what you want to do is start an intelligent topic, all you have to do is POST it. As for your mental age, all I can say is that I hope you'd have fun with it, especially once the process of diffusion away from the forum of bores has been successfully completed.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MosJan Posted January 30, 2004 Report Share Posted January 30, 2004 is this it ??? boys step a side let some of our baleful ladies say something - the day of open doors will end soon sireliner lsum enq dzez MOvses Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dan Posted January 30, 2004 Author Report Share Posted January 30, 2004 the day of open doors will end soon what exactly do you mean by that, MosJan? just curious.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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