Dan Posted January 30, 2004 Report Share Posted January 30, 2004 (edited) Dan-I don't agree with a lot of what you don't support, but you have impressed me with your thinking. I don't know why a person with your personal views "came out' on this board. I was not here when it happened obviously and you clearly do not want to be singled out for it in the "real world" or given extra attention. Well, then again. I never talk much about being a Yid Kid off the posting Boards..so I guess it is a computer thang. Yid Kid Jewish Friend, I have gone through a series of changes w.r.t views on the entire LGBT issue, and while I don't deny what I am, I don't really care if it's obvious, and I don't go around shouting that I'm queer or whatever. At least not anymore (I guess that's the maturity thing lol <_< ). I do make it clear in debates/arguments, but what's the point of telling everyone you're queer when what you're doing is irrelevant to sexuality (workplace, military, university, etc.) I do talk about it on the board, because well, it's inevitable during discussions about equality/marriage/relationships.. lol, and you thought it was impossible to find a gay right-winger, eh? Edited January 30, 2004 by Dan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jewish Friend Posted January 30, 2004 Author Report Share Posted January 30, 2004 Jewish Friend, I have gone through a series of changes w.r.t views on the entire LGBT issue, and while I don't deny what I am, I don't really care if it's obvious, and I don't go around shouting that I'm queer or whatever. At least not anymore (I guess that's the maturity thing lol <_< ). I do make it clear in debates/arguments, but what's the point of telling everyone you're queer when what you're doing is irrelevant to sexuality (workplace, military, university, etc.) I do talk about it on the board, because well, it's inevitable during discussions about equality/marriage/relationships.. lol, and you thought it was impossible to find a gay right-winger, eh? Actually, there are the "Log Cabin" Republicans. They are conservative. In the same party as Falwell, etc. Different strokes for different folks. Yid Kid Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anonymouse Posted January 30, 2004 Report Share Posted January 30, 2004 Jewish Friend, I have gone through a series of changes w.r.t views on the entire LGBT issue, and while I don't deny what I am, I don't really care if it's obvious, and I don't go around shouting that I'm queer or whatever. At least not anymore (I guess that's the maturity thing lol <_< ). I do make it clear in debates/arguments, but what's the point of telling everyone you're queer when what you're doing is irrelevant to sexuality (workplace, military, university, etc.) I do talk about it on the board, because well, it's inevitable during discussions about equality/marriage/relationships.. lol, and you thought it was impossible to find a gay right-winger, eh? A gay right winger? Jesus H. Christ on a f***ing crutch. This surely must be the forum twilight zone. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anonymouse Posted January 31, 2004 Report Share Posted January 31, 2004 An interesting article on Kerry. http://www.hermes-press.com/kerryprez.htm Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dan Posted January 31, 2004 Report Share Posted January 31, 2004 A gay right winger? Jesus H. Christ on a f***ing crutch. This surely must be the forum twilight zone. lol... what do you mean? <_< Unless we have a man of Kerry’s caliber in this race, there may not be any more elections. Kerry's caliber? I thought all the candidates were of the same caliber........... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
America-Hye Posted January 31, 2004 Report Share Posted January 31, 2004 Hey Dan, I did not come out in the workplace, I was outed. Some gays have stated that I deserved this because bisexuals are such a despicable bunch in their eyes. An overweight blonde 22 year old girl had a fatal attraction toward me. I did not reciprocate. She decided to stalk me since she lived only a block away from me in Santa Monica. Meanwhile, I was dating an elegant executive secretary at my workplace, the secretary of one of the top bosses. This fat bitch outed me to the whole workplace. My girlfriend, having found a new job while we were dating, quickly left me, only to meet an older man in the elevator at work in Century City. She eventually married him. He was a famous attorney who sent her through law school. She was later one of Gil Garcetti's top people. My professional career was greatly hampered by this outing. I think that you do not see all the ramifications of your views. I think they will change after you get burned a number of times as you get older. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dan Posted January 31, 2004 Report Share Posted January 31, 2004 A-H, you must realise, though, that by simply dating someone from your workplace, you automatically have that risk of being outed. Workplace dating should not happen, whether it's straight or gay. Because if there is a problem and the relationship is put to an end, even if there is no outing, the workplace will become a living hell for either one of them, especially if the other one is a b****, which could potentially end up in either one of them (or both) being fired, even if they are straight. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anonymouse Posted February 9, 2004 Report Share Posted February 9, 2004 http://www.rense.com/1.imagesF/bkerry.jpg Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
angel4hope Posted February 9, 2004 Report Share Posted February 9, 2004 screw both democrats and republicans...i dont thin kim going to vote anymore...because no matter who wins, theres always the chance that even the so called "democrat" will not act so "democratic" lol this sounds stupid...dont know how else to put it...except that there is no such thing as democracy...only the thought exists Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
den_wolf Posted February 9, 2004 Report Share Posted February 9, 2004 Angel4hope, Sir Thomas More would've argued about it in a similar manner (although that is a bit of an interpretation of his writings on my part), since he satirised the concept of Utopia by putting it in an almost "step-by-step" handbook form, as if to say that it's so easy to achieve. What we live in is a dystopia. And in our constant attempts to create a utopia, we end up creating this dystopia. This is the state USA is in right now. Same goes for any other country in the world. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
America-Hye Posted February 9, 2004 Report Share Posted February 9, 2004 It is stupid not to vote. By not doing so you give up what little say you have. Every person has the right to steer either party in the direction they want. Why don't you get involved and make a difference? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
angel4hope Posted February 9, 2004 Report Share Posted February 9, 2004 sarcasm on** wow thanx america hye....i appreciate the fact that you think my actions are stupid...now im going to go ponder abuot what you said and go cry over it..boo hoo hoo...dude i have my own opinion and views...im not gonna vote..u wanna vote go ahead...cheers...but dont tell me what im doing is stupid... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
den_wolf Posted February 9, 2004 Report Share Posted February 9, 2004 It is stupid not to vote. By not doing so you give up what little say you have. Every person has the right to steer either party in the direction they want. Why don't you get involved and make a difference? Choosing not to vote has very firm philosophical underpinnings. It is the most philosophical position compared to choosing to vote for any other party. It is often interpreted as being "dumb," but it is very ethically driven, although not without its failings. Having the right to vote does not mean that it is the right thing to do, philosophically speaking. This is more about principle than it is about making change. It is about refusing to support one or the other simply because one is put in a fallacious position of false dilemma (dichotomy - either you're with us or against us). It is, an individual response, hence why there is so much disagreement about it. It's about emotivism. I'm assuming you're not a big fan of that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
angel4hope Posted February 9, 2004 Report Share Posted February 9, 2004 jeez wolf thank you...seriously, i respec the fact that you posted the above, because i myself didnt even want to waste the time to explain, since id be talking to a brick wall here...so i sadi you know what...sarcasm might work...heeh Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
den_wolf Posted February 9, 2004 Report Share Posted February 9, 2004 jeez wolf thank you...seriously, i respec the fact that you posted the above, because i myself didnt even want to waste the time to explain, since id be talking to a brick wall here...so i sadi you know what...sarcasm might work...heeh Trust me, it's not so hard to convince people. It's called modes (or techniques) of persuasion. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anonymouse Posted February 9, 2004 Report Share Posted February 9, 2004 It is stupid not to vote. By not doing so you give up what little say you have. Every person has the right to steer either party in the direction they want. Why don't you get involved and make a difference? I do not vote because I do not believe in the concept of voting someone to make choices for me. We all too often are hasty to acknowledge that politicians lie, cheat, and engage in the dirtiest things that we in our everyday lives will not do, yet we unconsciously vote for these morally depraved people to make choices for us - some even have blood on their hands. Another contradiction lies in the fact that the government can lie, cheat, steal, and go across to distant lands, bomb and maim and kill people ( since government is a monopoly of force it is in reality institutionalized violence ), yet we do nothing about it, and in fact support and vote for these people. On the flip side we condemn and criminalize individuals engaging in the same behavior the State engages in. One can argue, and indeed many have, and perhaps it is deserving of a thread of its own, that Democracy is the worst form of government. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vava Posted February 9, 2004 Report Share Posted February 9, 2004 While choosing NOT to vote may have a firm ethical basis - often times it is merely interpreted as apathy. This is unfortunate. I think in this case, and within our respective systems, a protest vote would be far more productive. As opposed to saying, 'I don't like X, and I don't like Y, so I'll vote for neither' it's more like saying, 'I'd rather vote for Z'. Here in Canada, we have a multitude of parties ruinning in almost every given riding/district that represent a plethora of issues/platforms: Environmentalists, Socialists, Libertarians, Pro-Cannabis legalisation etc. etc. etc. Often times, enough protest votes are garnered to make these issues valid political concerns. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anonymouse Posted February 9, 2004 Report Share Posted February 9, 2004 I'm dubbed "libertarian" and/or "anarchist" but those who love living in political labels, but my mere position is just to mind my own business, and you mind yours. Politics is a game of telling people what to do. To quote P.J. O'Rourke, "Authority has always attracted the lowest elements in the human race. All through history mankind has been bullied by scum. Those who lord it over their fellows and toss commands in every direction and would boss the grass in the meadow about which way to bend in the wind are the most depraved kind of prostitutes. They will submit to any indignity, perform any vile act, do anything to achieve power. The worst off-sloughings of the planet are the ingredients of sovereignty. Every government is a parliament of whores. The trouble is, in a democracy the whores are us." Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
den_wolf Posted February 9, 2004 Report Share Posted February 9, 2004 Vava, for me, the problem is not about the lack of good candidates. It is about the nature of human beings and how power hungry they are. Even those who claim to be "good" and not motivated by hunger for money or power (but rather to serve the nation), once voted in or elected, become like the people they were criticising during their campaign. Sure, you could "trust" their campaign platform, but those are only words, and there is no binding contract that makes them keep their word. And this is the basic flaw of political systems. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anonymouse Posted February 9, 2004 Report Share Posted February 9, 2004 Indeed, what the wolf said. I think we should have a mouse/wolf alliance. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
den_wolf Posted February 9, 2004 Report Share Posted February 9, 2004 Indeed, what the wolf said. I think we should have a mouse/wolf alliance. Ohhh, that would be grand, except there's always the danger that us wolves would eat you mice. Maybe we should sign a binding contract for that one too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anonymouse Posted February 9, 2004 Report Share Posted February 9, 2004 Ohhh, that would be grand, except there's always the danger that us wolves would eat you mice. Maybe we should sign a binding contract for that one too. Don't worry, I'm the type of mouse that hog ties cats' legs with their tail, plus I've acquired a costume and have chosen superpowers for me, so I'm safe. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Armat Posted February 9, 2004 Report Share Posted February 9, 2004 It is stupid not to vote. By not doing so you give up what little say you have. Every person has the right to steer either party in the direction they want. Why don't you get involved and make a difference? Best comment from you! To those who don’t believe in voting I like to presents few thoughts. Although voting can be intellectualized, conceptualized (Anon,Wolf) I find, it deals more practical issues such as getting your illegal cousin get a green card or having your pregnant sister have the option of an abortion if she chooses! Having funding for schools, elder Medicare benefits, taxes, economy etc. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
den_wolf Posted February 9, 2004 Report Share Posted February 9, 2004 I find, it deals more practical issues such as getting your illegal cousin get a green card or having your pregnant sister have the option of an abortion if she chooses! Having funding for schools, elder Medicare benefits, taxes, economy etc. INDEED. All those are philosophical issues that would be solved if it weren't for politicians. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anileve Posted February 9, 2004 Report Share Posted February 9, 2004 (edited) Best comment from you! I am so sorry for going off topic here everyone...but Armat jan I've noticed a rather peculiar tendency on your part to choose such "Spread Out" avatars...first the derrier, now the "Tent".... Please don't crucify me for this interruption and carry on, John Kerry is still the best candidate, I would even vote for a rabbit as long as it gets Bush out of the office. Besides I favor Kerry's wives demeanor over the incumbent pickleheaded first lady who may write a book on life in the White House viewed through the eyes of Barney the dog.... Edited February 9, 2004 by anileve Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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