The Mongolian-armenian Connection

[khodja]

Gamavor,

 

You still insist on calling me Moshe or Mehmet. I am as Armenian as you are. You have been imbued with a Soviet mentality. I have been imbued with a JFK liberal American mentality. Just because I do not agree with you does not make me less Armenian. As for money, there are Armenians who are as well off as some Jews. The wealthy American Jews are just greater in number, more politically involved and with more allies that they have nurtured. This is changing as we Armenians are coming out of our shell.

[Sasun]

Sometimes we hear one Armenian calling another Armenian "not Armenian", which practically speaking is pointless and void of any proof or logic whatsoever. I was also told so on a few occasions - and personally for me it was deeply offending as long as I took them seriously.

 

Thoth and Khodja, I can totally understand your feelings of being called not (pure) Armenian and all these racist implications. It is simply shameful... I just don't want to awaken more negative emotions by commenting on such remarks.

[gamavor]

Gamavor,

 

You still insist on calling me Moshe or Mehmet. I am as Armenian as you are. You have been imbued with a Soviet mentality. I have been imbued with a JFK liberal American mentality. Just because I do not agree with you does not make me less Armenian. As for money, there are Armenians who are as well off as some Jews. The wealthy American Jews are just greater in number, more politically involved and with more allies that they have nurtured. This is changing as we Armenians are coming out of our shell.

I was able to think independently in my youth years during communism, and for time to time I have had problems for that.

I have no problems calling you names, but I feel embarrassed when I have to explain to you why I'm calling you names.

Suppose that tomorrow the US Senate votes for the Genocide resolution. Suppose that Washington Post and NYT devote large materials on that event. So what? What will change in you personal life. What good that will bring to Armenia?

 

 

When Ilia Ilf and Eugeni Petrov returned back to Russia from their trip to US, the press asked them how they feel about America. The answer was "Strana napuganiuh idiotov". I'm not going to translate this.

[khodja]

Gamavor,

 

The Turks clearly see the value of all that and are therefore fighting it on all fronts.

 

Your myopia astounds me.

[Harut]

so, did anybody go to the lecture?

[gamavor]

http://arm-military.narod.ru/

 

 

the site contains lots of interesting photos that I personally have never seen. you can find info on Armenian Legion WWII, Armenian - French Legion, Sardarapat, WWI, WWII etc...

[MosJan]

so, did anybody go to the lecture?

Harout jan parz chi

[DominO123]

I just remembered this thread.

 

Why going to that conference?

 

Here is what the Suprem specialist and father of the Turkish histeriography and forgery wrote about the Armenian "race."

 

The Armenians are descended from various elements and from a very mixed race. Their average height varies between 1.63 and 1.69 according to the region. They are almost always short-headed, with skull measurements of 85-78. As a race, they belong to the Indo-Afghan-Assyrian-Turkic family.

 

The Armenians in History and The Armenian Question, Esat Uras, Documentary Publications, Istanbul, 1988, pp. 327-328.

 

This comes allegedly from a French work. Les Races et les Peuples de la Terre, 1929. Since he has not given any pages, I searched in the entire work, and have not found such a thing from the work in question.

Edited August 19, 2003 by Fadix

[gamavor]

I just remembered this thread.

 

Why going to that conference?

 

Here is what the Suprem specialist and father of the Turkish histeriography and forgery wrote about the Armenian "race."

 

The Armenians are descended from various elements and from a very mixed race. Their average height varies between 1.63 and 1.69 according to the region. They are almost always short-headed, with skull measurements of 85-78. As a race, they belong to the Indo-Afghan-Assyrian-Turkic family.

 

The Armenians in History and The Armenian Question, Esat Uras, Documentary Publications, Istanbul, 1988, pp. 327-328.

 

This comes allegedly from a French work. Les Races et les Peuples de la Terre, 1929. Since he has not given any pages, I searched in the entire work, and have not found such a thing from the work in question.

How about those of us who are tall, blue-eyed and handsome?

Aren't we meant and designed to f...... the turks?

[ARARAT KID]

There are no Mongol Armenians or Assyrian Armenians!

 

If someone that claims to be an Armenian has features other than Europoid than he or she is not an Armenian, as far as race is concerned.

 

This is what you are talking about:

http://languageportraits.net/panels/images/Armenian-Photo2.jpg

The man in the picture has very olive dark looking skin and curly black hair. here's a Semitic/Mongoloid mixed so called 'Armenian'. Thats a big difference from even Mediterranean Europoids!

am pretty sure they could identify his race to be some kind of turkic or one of the tons of different ethic groups in the near east. Notice how his eyes are set rather close together, it does serve to indicate middle eastern ancestry.

 

These are Armenians:

http://www.arams.com/Meet_Aram_s/Armenians_of_the_North_Bay/22910023_2002.jpg

http://members.fortunecity.com/whitepride1/whitepride/whitepride/images/154406-1296[1]_jpg.jpg

 

Dinaric, and 100% Armenian, I hope you

can see the difference!

More pictures of Armenians:

http://members.fortunecity.com/whit...ride/whitepride

Arab armies did breiefly surge through Anatolia in the 8th Century AD and for a time even besieged Constantinopel by land and sea.

However the Byzantine Empire not only broke the Arab siege, but decisively defeated the Arabs and ejected them from Anatolia.

It would remain to the Turks to Islamizize Anatolia, and even they would not really begin this process in earnest until the epochal defeat of the Byzantine Armies at Manzikert in far eastern Anatolia in 10 71 AD.

That said some Arabs are present in extreme Southeastern Turkey, and in very small numbers in the Caucascus. Their cultural influence in the Islamicized part of the Caucasus was and is important, however their genetic influence is not.

The Armenians are a mixture of Greeks and the extinct Hittites, both Aryan peoples. Of course, other minior influences cannot entirely be ruled out, but there is no doubt that by any objective standard we Armenians are very much An Aryan people, and have a very old, complex and wonderful culture.

 

One more thing.

Im quite certain then that you will be able to elicuidate the Negroid/Mongoloid/Dravidian characteristics on these people that exclude them from the Armenian classification.

No ones denying that places like Iran have experienced some racial admixture, but how does this prove that everybody there is racially mixed?

The Northern fringes of Central Africa have experienced some admixture at times with Caucasoids, but no rational person would call places like Mail, Niger, anything but Black.

Of course you dont have to accept Iranians, even blatently Aryan ones if you dont want to, thats your right. But its intellectual dishonesty at its worst to put a place like Iran in the same classification as a truly mixed place like the Dominican Republic.

To place Armenians in this classification is even more out there. Apart from everything else Armenians have long been a part of the West culturally.

 

 

I KNOW WHY YOU WOULD SAY THIS AND IT MAKES SENSE..HOWEVER THAT FIRST MAN PROBABLY SPEAKS ARMENIAN AND HAS LIVED IN ARMENIA OR BEEN RAISED BY ARMENIAN CULTURE SO YOU CAN'T COMPLETELY SAY HE IS NOT ARMENIAN.....plUS ARMENIANS TODAY ARE REALLY MIXED, HOW DO YOU KNOW YOUR ARE PURE ARMENIAN???? GETR REAL

 

[Zhakareh]

A lot of these girls are stunning. Question: are all these photos of Armenians in Armenia, or are there also Diaspora Hye? By the way, I am myself half-Armenian, half-Italian.

 

Hey let me know if you ever decide to go to Armenia.

I visit Armenia twice a year where I own a business and meet with nationalist organizations like the Armenian Front, Aryakan Bruntsk and the Armenian Aryan Party.

 

The women are gorgeous and you will remove the word 'boring' from your vocabulary in general.

 

[phantom22]

This equation does not address the Chinese and Hindu colonies in Taron province, who assimilated into the Armenian genepool. The Chinese colony were the entourage of loyalists who travelled with the Han dynasty Emperor's son, Mamgoon, when the Persian King exiled them. They were finally settled in Taron province. The Hindus had a large colony there and were assimilated after their conversion to Christianity.

 

I agree with you that these differences are regional. The Semitic Armenians come mainly from two cities, Van and Diarbekir (wrongly known as Dicranakert as the site of the true Dicranakert is further the East and has not been unearthed). Even In the late 19th century the rural Armenians near Van would refer to the Armenians of Van as Jews. The Asiatic Armenians come mainly from Giligia, whose nobles mixed blood with the Mongols and from other areas where Mongol soldiers impregnated the indigenous Armenian women. However, the question of what happened to the historic Jews of the ROA region is still being researched.

 

There are also Armenians who appear to be very Celtic from regions further west in Anatolia.