The Mongolian-armenian Connection

[Artaxias]

I am not in favor of any State - including Isreal - to exist just for one race (or such). I think Isreal needs to be made more inclusive then it is...etc So dopn't go putting words/concepts in my mouth. Thogh why is it - with people like you - that you are always so quick to jump on Jews this Jews that - etc? Anyway I agree - there is no point to my talking with you - none at all...sweet (delusional) dreams...oh - one last point - I fear you are the distinct minority. Unlike you - if I were to discuss my thoughts and ideas with (most) Armenians - on the internet - or more importantly - in real life - they may or may not agree - but they would tend to respect my viewpoints as at least rational, thought out and meaningful...I'm afraid that most response to you would be just to turn away and shake their head...

Then why don't you go and bash them instead of bashing us?

Are you sure you're not a Turk, you spout the exact same rhetoric the MFA of Turkey or the Grey Wolves do.

It's too late to backpeddal 'Thoth', read a book or two once in a while maybe you'll get out of the box and seek mental help.

I don't need to discuss this with 'most' Armenians as 'most' Armenians know what they are unlike some degenerates.

 

Harutik,

 

My 'attitude' and 'words' are retaliatory and on the same level.

[THOTH]

Are you sure you're not a Turk, you spout the exact same rhetoric the MFA of Turkey or the Grey Wolves do.

It's too late to backpeddal 'Thoth', read a book or two once in a while maybe you'll get out of the box and seek mental help.

Funny - you are making jokes now - or trying to - aren't you. If not please enlighten me as to how any stance of mine is similar in any way to the MFA/Grey Wolves? In fact it is your beliefs - of racial distintion and one group being superior to another and the need to divide/weed out - like the Young Turks did to the Armenians - that exactly dovetails to the kind of thinking exhibited by Grey Wolves...think think..if you can...

[Artaxias]

Are you sure you're not a Turk, you spout the exact same rhetoric the MFA of Turkey or the Grey Wolves do.

It's too late to backpeddal 'Thoth', read a book or two once in a while maybe you'll get out of the box and seek mental help.

Funny - you are making jokes now - or trying to - aren't you. If not please enlighten me as to how any stance of mine is similar in any way to the MFA/Grey Wolves? In fact it is your beliefs - of racial distintion and one group being superior to another and the need to divide/weed out - like the Young Turks did to the Armenians - that exactly dovetails to the kind of thinking exhibited by Grey Wolves...think think..if you can...

Your 'theories' about Armenians are exactly the same as what they advocate!

I will not go and look for such garbage. You know damn well what i'm talking about.

 

When and where did I say anything about one race being superior to another?

Quote me!

[Sip]

When and where did I say anything about one race being superior to another?

Then what's the point of preserving or fighting about something that isn't superior?

[Artaxias]

When and where did I say anything about one race being superior to another?

Then what's the point of preserving or fighting about something that isn't superior?

Everyone is born the same, be it Asian, Negro, White whatever.

 

To suggest that some are born with specific traits (other than physical) is idiotic and only a fool would claim such a thing.

 

However, culture can be superior.

 

I contend that our magnificent European culture, stretching across the North American continent eastward through Europe,Anatolia to the Urals (and incorporating some outlying areas such as Australia and New Zealand), must be preserved.

 

We need only think, too, of the literature of the European peoples – Dante, Shakespeare, Milton, Cervantes, Schiller, Goethe, Dostoyevsky – of the music – Bach, Handel, Mozart, Beethoven, Berlioz, Bruckner, Rachmaninoff – and of the great works of art – Fra Angelico, Titian, Raphael, Michelangelo, Dürer, Rembrandt, Rublev. I mention only a few names from each field. The point is that virtually all of the works of creative genius of the past 5,000 years, all that we admire as monuments of European high culture, all of those things that nurture the spirits of refined men and women, come from our civilization.

 

Culture emcompasses everything that a group of people have done over the course of there evolutionary path to survive, and be happy. The thing is is that different people evolve in different ways according to how their environments dictate.

 

Some examples of culture that evolved from white people are: elective democracy, the idea of harnessing electricity, the industrial revolution, the lightbulb, calculus, classical music, tuxedos, flyfishing, the moral code of chivalry, Italian cuisine, modern science, the automobile, the airplane, Shakesbeare, Goethe, Van Goth, Hemmingway, Thomas Edison, The Mona Lisa, the list goes on and on.

 

 

One must first understand civilization to understand culture. Before history could be recorded, humankind began to collect in various groups. The groups began to realize that as a group the single individual became stronger. The group could protect itself from larger animals. Thus, the group began to find common interest that would bind the group together under common grounds.

 

Each group became a tribe with central beliefs that were the same. Thus, the races of mankind began to evolve. Some races evolved faster than others. Some evolved to certain points and the evolutions began to slow and less progress was made. Thus, the main differences between the various races of mankind.

 

I will understand if you need a more clear explaination or you take time to understand the need of saving the cultures and various races of mankind.

If so I will offer a detailed explanation.

[Sasun]

However, culture can be superior.

 

Culture is a very subjective thing, and so is the superiority feeling attached to the culture. By the way, long time before European culture and science took off, there was striving science and culture in China, India, Arabia that also in part influenced the development of European culture and science.

 

Your selection of names is good but also subjective. Anyone could argue that his culture is superior by listing names.

 

The origin of civilization as commonly known is not Europe, but Mesopotomia.

Edited June 13, 2003 by Sasun

[khodja]

You are dismissing the high cultures of the East and Middle East which preceeded European culture. The East is from whence even the seeds of Chrisitianity sprung. Have you heard of the references to "Saint Issa"? Jesus was in the East during his "lost years" learning they ways of the ancients of the East. These high cultures flourished while Europeans were still living like savages.

[khodja]

Sasun beat me to the punch. I was composing my comments when his excellent post was registered.

[gamavor]

Artaxias is right for the simple reason that the trend of the civilization has been preserved and shaped in Europe and to certain extend that paradigm continues to this day. It was exactly the European civilization which developed the concept of the human rights as divine and unalienable. Not to mention the rest of the philosophical thought, industrial revolution and so forth.

[Artaxias]

Finally some intelligent people and intelligent responses

 

Sasun (great name):

 

I agree with you.

However It is normal that I love my culture and wish to preserve it.

I respect and admire the Chinese culture and it wasn't long time before our...we have been there since history was first recorded.

Arabs never had culture, a civilization and have never created anything good. Only destruction.

Don't speak about math and numbers because that was the Assyrians.

 

The origin of civilization as commonly known is not Europe, but Mesopotomia.

 

I agree again, those people were Caucasoid judging from their art.

 

 

Before the mongrelization of the region, Mesopotamia was inhabited by whites. And I consider Sumerian and Egyptian civilizations White.

There is evidence.

besides that Hellenic civilization was actually the most civilized.

 

I don't consider having slaves to do the job for you like in Egypt and Mesopotamia to be a great thing.

 

These people at that time were Mediterranean Whites.

The Nordic part is a partial myth, though there was a Nordic minority in Ancient Egypt as the physical features on the mummies of some of the Pharaos will attest to.

Nordic? Mostly not. White? Certainly

 

Speaking as someone who has actually been to Egypt and spent weeks in the Valley of the Kings, Queens & artisans, and spent many hours in museums there, I can conculde that they were not black, not negroid. No effing way, pal. You can see representations of dark people. (sorry, "negroids") in Egyptian art, but they are not the norm. They look completely different from actual Egyptians (including the people living there today).

 

Because a few non-Whites can be found represented in Egyptian art, and some even became leaders (what happened to the glory of ancient Egypt? It's a toilet today. Black immigration = end of civilisation; some things never change, eh?), it does not mean that those people were responsible for the creation and magnificence of ancient Egypt.

 

If aliens looking at the West today saw what a multicultural pit it was, they might well conclude that non-Whites had played some role in the creation of the West, but they would be wrong.

 

Besides Greek, Roman, Armenian and Parthian civilizations were far more superior.

 

The answer? Yes. Arabs, Dravids, the white sub-races, Middle Easterners, Chinese, South Asian mongoloids, south American mongoloids, and more - all capable of civilization building; negroes being, as we love to be told by "anti-racist Crusaders/Soviets", the first human race to evolve, but the last to be civilized (compare with so-called "barbarian" North Europeans, who evolved a mere 5000 years ago from northward wandering Mediterreans, but who have created Western civilization).

 

http://www.fikas.no/~sprocket/snpa/index2.htm

 

Assyrian conquest of Egypt, predating Persian conquest from 530BC?

 

http://www.reshafim.org.il/ad/egypt/assyri...an_conquest.htm

http://www.reshafim.org.il/ad/egypt/timeli...ines/index.html

http://www.reshafim.org.il/ad/egypt/histor....htm#xxvdynasty

 

Browse to your heart's delight, my friend.

 

http://www.catchpenny.org/images/seti1a.gif

 

Ancient Egyptians always depicted Nubian Negroids as being racially distinct from their people, in aspects of hair, skin and facial structure. They themselves were a type of Caucasoid just like Sumerians, and the undeniable morphological features on their statues confirm this fact.

 

http://www.mfa.org/exhibitions/images/builder.jpg

 

 

The Egyptians took great care in their art to make sure everyone knew that they were not Negroid or Semitic. Picturesfrom ancient Egypt showing high nose bridges and other distinctly Caucasoid cranio-facial morphology. Most other Egyptian statues display the same morphology. You will not find a Negroid or even a semi-Negroid with a similar face-cast. The Egyptians were Caucasoid, and their statues and art prove it beyond doubt.

 

Here's a little more:

http://www.reshafim.org.il/ad/egypt/portraiture/3d.htm

 

Browse around and tell me how many pre-Nubian era Egyptians you find who look distinctively Negroid.

 

It is clear from the features found in COMMON among all these busts and portraits that the ancient Egyptians were of the Caucasoid race and not of the Negroid race. This is not "Eurocentrism" - it is the truth.

 

It is not silly, and in fact, is incredibly valid when one considers how the ancient Egyptian's viewed racial mixing as a threat to their "high culture." I suggest you pick up History of Egypt by Sir Harry Johnston.

 

If Egypt or Mesopotamia was ruled by blacks or semites, why then did they name the land to the south of them, which had been conquered from Nubia, "Sudan," which is roughly translated into English as "land of the Blacks?" Would this make any sense had they themselves been also black?

 

Notice, however, as they mingled with the Arabs, who came from the East bearing Islam, and the blacks from the South, that theur culture deteriorated steadily. Egypt's greatest feats all came about within a few thousand years of its conception. It was their first Pharaoh, Menses, who established hieroglyphic writing, nearly three thousand years before anyone else. Under the Pharaoh Namar cyclopian stone temples were built. The Great Pyramid was the first, if memory serves, and every one after that was a bit less exact, and a trifle smaller, until the Egyptians lost the art completely and were reduced to burying their dead in caves. The Egyptians that live there are now are little better, technological and intellectual parasites void of any creative drive or ingenuity attempting to live off of past glories.

 

There is a lesson to be learned here, and it testifies to the importance of keeping the white race intact.

[Artaxias]

Please don't forget that we are not simply indigenous to what is known as Europe today. Our ancestors lived across Europe and Asia, mummies, skulls and other artifacts prove this.

 

More on Mesopotamia and Semites...

 

Racially in its original sense Arab defines a non-Aryan Caucasoid tribe of Semetic origin from the Arabian peninsula. As far as anyone can tell they seem to have been there from the stone age, although remmenants of Hametic populations do existon the fringes of The Arabian peninsula, in Yemen and espesically in Hadamrawat.

The Arabs first started to emerge periodically from this homeland in the centuries immediately proceeding the time of Christ, often working on the fringes of the Roman and Byzantine empires as merchants and later mercenaries. No small amount of them converted to Christianity, and occasionally even Judiaism.

However it was not until the rise of Mohammed and his immediate sucessors that the Arabs truly spread their influence beyond the confines of their original homeland in the 7 th Century AD.

They were able to take advantage of the fact that the worlds 2 greatest Aryan Empires, Byzantium and Persia, had been in a state of periodic vicious warfare for several centuries, and this sapped the strength of both nations very greatly.

So much so that by 643 AD the Byzantine territories of Palastine, Egypt and Syria fell,(Lebanon then being considered part of Syria) and by 670 AD The Arabs had marched through Asia minor and besieged Constantinopel by land and sea.

The Byzantines however still had a vast hinterland in Greece, the Balkans, Northwest Africa, and even Italy that was filled with Whites and considerable economic strength. This enabled them to beat back the Arabs, press them back through Asia minor, and even for a brief time eventually regain the immediate coast of Syria. However the remaining Arab conquests remained inviolate.

Persia unlike Byzantium did not do so well. She was so weakened that a mere 18000 Arab soldiers suficed to take the capital of Cestiphon (In Mesopotamia), and soon overspread the entire Empire.

However what must be understood is that the Arabs settled in these territories as a new ruling elite, and by no means totally displaced the existing native populations, which in Syria, Palestine, Lebanon and Mesopotamia consisted of a complicated mixture of Sumerians, Aramaics, Greeks, Romans,Armenians Chaldeans, Phoenecians, Babylonians, Amorites, Assyrians and other Caucasoids. The Sumerians, Phoenecians, Amorites, Assyrians, Armenians Greeks and Romans were Aryan and the other groups were either Semetic or an Aryan Semetic mix These populations were hence mostly White Mediterranean, but obviously with some Semites as well. The Arabs of course added to the Semetic mixture, but did not for the most part racially displace the existing populations.

In Iran, they were too insignificant to have any real racial influence on the population at all, and in a very short period of time a new Persian dynasty co-opted its own version of Islam which it kept, but it got rid of the Arabs.

What did occurr in th other areas, suprisingly slowly, is that the local populations gradually switched to Arabic in tounge and Moslem in religion, though the existence of Christian and more rarely intact ethnic minorities in this area bears testimony to the fact that this process was never fully completed.

The Arabs did not generally force the existing populations to convert, but imposed a 10% tax on those who did not, and maybe even more importantly exempted those who did from taxes.

Some of the Arabic speaking persons may be Brits, Slavs, Armenians and especially French. This mostly dates from the Crusades, and the massive and often very sucessfull use of Slavic immigrants by the Byzantines to reconquor and repopulate lands taken back from the Arabs and later Turks.

However the Slavic element is even more important in Western Turkey, as the Byzantines persued this policy there on a massive scale when they periodically retook parts of Asia Minor from the Turks. The Byzantines appreciated the salutary effects of White immigration and used it to extend the life of their empire by several centuries.

A good portion of the Whites in Iraq are also simply Arabic speaking Islamised Aryans, although in Iraq the Persian, Sumerian element is more important tha the Euro Aryan element, if only because the Romans only controlled northern Mesopotamia on a consistent basis.

Salidin himself (Incidentally A White Aryan Kurd, not an Arab) also removed most of the Black element in Iraq by annihilating in a very ruthless fashion a vicious slave revolt there

The White element is weak in Egypt simply because Aryan Egypt, unlike the rest of the Middle East, was destroyed by its own internal racial decay from admixture with Nubian slaves long before the Islamic age, culminating in the horrific Mulato 25th Dynasty, which was soon heroically destroyed by the Assyrians. In fact the Assyrian, Persian, Greek, Roman, and even the Arab invasions likely re-Whitened Egypt to a degree, but as dysgenic as Black blood is, not to anywhere near enough of a degree to even begin to restore her as a White nation.

Still, some Whites remain among the Copts especially.

Most Whites in the area by far remain in Lebanon and Syria.

Hence it is very dangerous and silly to write off the whole population of this area as "sand Niggers". We should not conclude that some one is racially NW just because they are Arabic speaking. Just as with Latin America, this must be weighed on a case by case basis. If anyone has any questions please ask in this thread or pm me.

[THOTH]

Racist claptrap. You briefly change your tune and talk culture - but you betray yourself and show that you are just racist. Quite funny (though tragic) coming from a Middle Easterner as yourself...one who racist Europeans look down upon as equally as any other non-Nordic European. And your theories on Egypt exactly mirror Hitler's theories about Armenains - where he saw us as "fallen" Persians. In fact there is much evidence of a mixed racial society in Egypt - wth plenty of negroid featured pharohs and Queeens. Likewise Upper Egypt was clearly an African kingdom and in later periods all of Egypt was ruled from there. I have no problem with this concept of respecting Western tradition - in the arts, regarding scientific achievement, and regarding concepts of political, economic and personal liberties that arose out of the West...but what you propose is far beyond this. Any way you may try to disguise it - your beliefs are essentially no different then Hitler's and those like him. Great company...are you proud of this? I suspect that you are - even if you won't admit it...

[gamavor]

Many so - called American- Armenians are in desperate need for more excitement and exotic flavor in their boring lives. For that purpose they seek more excitement and naturally resort to blunt falsifications. I won't be surprised if tomorrow some professor of some university finds additional evidence for the kinship between Armenians and Pygmies.

 

Thoth, as to Armenians being Middle Eastern I say to you Go to hell, together with your Nordic ancestry.

[Artaxias]

The paranoid moron open his hole again.

 

And again all you do is talk out you ass. Why don't you quit embarrassing yourself like a little girl that just pissed her pants and stay out of this thread and let the adults continue their discussion?

 

Middle Easterner?

I have no relation to the Middle East in any shape or form nor does anyone in my family, past or present.

Nordicists have noroom in a White Nationalist society.

 

 

Speaking of Hitler and Armenians.

Hitler was not a White Nationalist, Hitler and the Reich were German Nationalists.

Speaking of Hitler and Armenains.

Hitler loved Armenians.

A book was published in the Reich called Armeniertum-Arivertum by Yohannes Lepsus and Paul Rohrbakh asking for Armenian Aryan roots.

Interior Ministry of the Reich officaly recognized Armenians as Aryan.

Not to mention that there were 40, 000 Armenians in the Nazi army, all of them European and 100% White.

 

http://membres.lycos.fr/armenianlegion/haverj1.jpg

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Looooooooooooooser.

 

The earliest Egyptians before the Old Kingdom Era in Predynasty Egypt were of Kham, and the lands of the West originally from Amenti the Western paradise. The Brains of the 1st caucasian hamite colonization of Mediterranean (geographical-designation) Egypt were the Shemsu Hor, which were a post-Cro Magnon, Nordic Hamitic priesthood of high neolithic level technology which settled from western Europe and North-Northwest Africa (Amenti) to the Eastern Mediterranean from 7000 to 5000 BP, meeting up at some point with an old Mediterranean Caucasian subgroup from The Caucasus Mts. which thus explains the two Caucasian types cited in archaeological and anthropological data.

 

Were there darker Egyptian aboriginals? Yes - were they Negroid? Probably partially Negroid. The other groups were Cro Magnon Whites, and Old Med Whites in the Predynastic Era. There may have been other aboriginal populations in the Eastern Mediterranean including red-skinned Capoid tribesmen, Giants, and Neanderthals...but these groups died out through aggressions by the Shemsu Hor (I think).

 

Both of the Nordic Hamitic and Old Med Caucasian groups were PRE-INDO EUROPEAN and arguably PRE-SEMITIC, i.e. these later language groups were not formed of their ethnic groupings of speakers and spread from their homelands of origin yet when these Caucasian Hamites arrived at the Nile Delta those milennia past.

 

"European"? Arguably yes - as European as the Basques (Old Med-related) and perhaps the surviving Upper Paleothic, Borreby, Falish old Caucasian groupings are in Europe today (although the Caucasian Hamites that settled Mediterranean Egypt were of a subgroup of the then and current UP and related nordic-appearing Caucasian groupings in Europe proper) as well as the surviving White Berbers and Guanches (though mixed with Iberian blood today in the Canary Isles). "White"? Most definately.

 

The White Arabs and Jews you see today are partial descendents of three chronological levels: Paleolithic Nordic Caucasians circa 10000 BP to 7000 BP; Indo European Nordic Caucasians circa 6000 BP to 2000 BP; and Classical Era to Modern European Nordic Caucasians circa 2000 BP to present.

[khodja]

Artaxias,

 

What you are is becoming increasingly clear. There is NO room among Armenians for your kind. As one whose both grandfather's were killed by German-inspired Turkish leaders and one whose aunts and uncles were genocided, I find you very shameful. Many in my nephew's family died in the Jewish holocaust. You are a disgrace to our people and fodder for the Turks to work the Jewish organizations against us. I suspect that you secretly in the employ of Ankara? Perhaps you are really a Turk working for the MIT an disguising yourself as an Armenian. Tezcan just loves people like you. You make his job so much easier.

[Artaxias]

HriyaRAK.

 

What you are is becoming increasingly clear. There is NO room among Armenians for your kind. As one whose both grandfather's were killed by Jewish-inspired Turkish leaders and one whose aunts and uncles were genocided, I find you very shameful. Many in my nephew's family died in the Armenian holocaust. You are a disgrace to our people and fodder for the jews to work the Turkish organizations against us. I suspect that you secretly in the employ of Ankara? Perhaps you are really a Turk working for the MIT an disguising yourself as an Armenian. Tezcan just loves people like you. You make his job so much easier. After all you are advocatin that Armenians are Mongols lol

[gamavor]

Hagarag,

 

Why you are so inclined to tolerate "scientific" researches about Armenians being something else, but you are intolerant to historical facts? What the hell Germans have to do with Armenian Genocide besides the fact that we were enemies in different camps. We, Armenians with the Antante, they- Germans with the Allied forces. An idiot Armenian-American professor of history was digging up this issue of German involvement with the sole and very "practical" purpose. If Turks refuse to pay, then Germans would pay. For them it is habitual.

Many Armenians (sorry to say this), fall in this trap and ridicule themselves. The worst thing is that those "Armenians" are inspired by their Jewish advisors to do so for very transparent reasons.

 

I feel sorry about your nephews who fell victim to the Jewish Holocaust, but let me just remind you that this is ARmenian Forum. Capish!

[khodja]

Gamavor,

 

You consider Dadrian an idiot Armenian-American professor?Have you read his work? You must be smoking the same "hashish" down there in Texas that the "POUS" is.

[Artaxias]

Kamavor, why do you call this clown hakarak lol?

 

Ughegh@ hakarak ughutyamp a ashkhatum?

[gamavor]

Gamavor,

 

You consider Dadrian an idiot Armenian-American professor?Have you read his work? You must be smoking the same "hashish" down there in Texas that the "POUS" is.

Don't remember his name. I feel sorry more and more for the Diasporans and their victimization. Fighting for the truth can be a noble cause only if one is honest to himself. You would never hear such bragging from Armenians from Armenia. Be a man and stop crying.

 

I think your ancestors have had bad luck. Whomever they marry is becoming a victim. Nothing in this world happens by accident.

 

Look at you. Your grandfather was Assory Turkish Khodja, then you had Jewish upbringing and all of your friends were 50% Assory, 50% Armenians, than you marry an Armenian woman who was raised in Jewish environment, than you became a Protestant, and somewhere in between probably you were Catholic and/or Orthodox, and you end up being Zen Buddhist.

 

Now I know for sure that you are Bosnian. They were really experts in that.

[khodja]

Ge ashkadim Democratic Party-en.

[Azat]

Artaxias you have a warning for calling people names. Please reread the forum rules and comply by them. Unlike other forums where name calling is the norm it is not tolerated at HyeForum.

[khodja]

Gamavor,

 

You don't even realize that it is the eminent Armenianologist Vahakn Dadrian that has documented the German complicity in the Armenain Genocide.

 

Sorry, no Khodjas on the side of my family that is 1/4 Assori. The Khodja was 100% Armenian.

 

I became Protestant when I was a small child when my parents left the Catholic Church for reasons that have only recently come into the light. This conversion was before the age of consent.

 

I did not have Jewish upbringing, but was raised in a town with many Jewish families. My ex-wife was raised in a town comprised mainly of Armenian and Jewish elites.

 

You are a typical attorney Gamavor, an expert as twisting the truth and diverting the argument from the facts of the case to issues not related to the facts.

 

And I can't understand the Russa-Hye that you and the Neo-Nazi Artaxias speak.

[gamavor]

I don't doubt Prof. Dadrian's credentials, I doubt his motives. Stop fooling yourselves once for all.

 

 

So, basically what I have said is true about your upbringing except that your grandfather Armenian was khodja, (I doubt that). I'm not Russa-Hye, and I don't divide people on ......hyes. To me they are all the same. The difference comes from their ability to reason.

 

Azat, some people in this forum might be offended when they are called Middle Easterners (some middle easterners are backward). Jews excluded of course.

[khodja]

Gamavor,

 

You are an expert at your craft. In what way does claiming that I don't understand the Russa-Hye dialect constitute dividing Armenians? What you really don't like is my liberal politics, just as I don't like your conservative politics.

 

Little of what you have stated about me is true. I was raised on lahmajun, yalanji dolma, Kufteh, choeregs, madzoon. No gefiltefish, matzo ball soup or Manishevitz wine at our house. We lived alongside Jews as neighbors and friends. The father of our closest Jewish neighbors was a top executive and got me my first job with his company.