Loreley Posted December 14, 2002 Report Share Posted December 14, 2002 Tigrannes:Sexism is "discrimination or prejudice based on a person's sex and/or attitudes or behavior based on traditional stereotypes of sexual roles." I am sure you know what racism is becuase Armenians have experienced it for centuries. Sexism, misogyny, racism, xenophobia, homophobia, are all big deals. They are some of the causes of the existence of so much hatred, crime, injustice, inequality nationally and globally. Attitutes and actions of those kind are a big deal. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Loreley Posted December 14, 2002 Report Share Posted December 14, 2002 Tooth: I agree with you!!!!!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TigrannesIII Posted December 14, 2002 Report Share Posted December 14, 2002 what's so bad about traditional roles?! Women's empowerment in America is one of the biggest reasons that people in America are crap. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TigrannesIII Posted December 14, 2002 Report Share Posted December 14, 2002 quote:Originally posted by Loreley:Being xenophobic and liking to be an Armenian are two things completely different. Being xenophobic is putting yourself as superior to others, it is like any other kind of discrimination-boundary; i.e. being homophobic, sexist, racist. In this country, a lot of people are xenophobic toward immigrants (especially non-White immigrants) and we, Armenias as immigrants, should be the less ones to be xenophobic.If xenophobia is what you call keeping my culture, then fine, I'm xenophobic, which I dont think is that big of a deal. And exactly what is racism and sexism? According to western thinking I'm an extremist on both ends of those spectrums, yet I have friends from different cultures and backgrounds. And homophobia? It's not a phobia if I just dont like them, and it's not that big of a deal to not like them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
QRISTINE Posted December 14, 2002 Report Share Posted December 14, 2002 We like being Armenian and staying Armenian. What's so bad about that?TigranesI personally don't see anything bad instead I am proud of my heritage. My Father a Great Man always made sure we are Armenians never forget where we came from. The tales of the road my grandparents had to travel. The lost they had to deal with.The joy they had after thirteen years apart due to the Turks. They found each other again after those years. Im proud to be Armenian and so proud of my Family,the pain and the lost will never be forgotten.Why are Armenians xenophobic? We Armenians are not xenophobic!!! If we would like to keep our culture alive it does not give you the Right MJ TO CALL US XENOPHOBICS. For many individuals around the world, interracial marriages merely seem as a dishonor to one’s cultural heritage. For others it might not seem as a controversial issue. What many individuals don’t realize is that disapproval of miscegenation isn’t xenophoic, rather a mere act of staying faithful to one’s culture.In order to obtain peace and understanding we must apply the Golden Rule. We mustn’t judge others merely for being them selves. As the Golden Rule states, “do unto others as you would have them do unto you” we must think of how it would affect us if we were perceived as someone or something we are not. Certainly we wouldn’t want to be judged as xenohobics just because we choose to be loyal to our heritage. Furthermore, we must think of the consequences; how it will affect the community and also one’s character growth. Our actions not only affect the one person we choose to judge, but our community and ourselves as well. By judging a group we build walls of segregation, and we deny the truth. We build a misunderstanding and tension in our community.Fabrication towards such nationalities creates a deeper gap between one another. What we must do is immerse ourselves into another culture, learn about their origins and morals, in order to understand them. Eventually by taking such actions we will have respect and understanding for one another. But if we choose not to take such a path, we will be lost. By not showing respect towards certain groups we will eventually get into the habit and become a person who doesn’t care about ethical principles. Furthermore, if we choose to judge a group before we understand them it will become a tendency for us to judge before we know all the facts. As respect is given to people who choose to marry outside of their race, it should also be displayed towards those who choose not to. Some individuals choose to marry within their race simply because they are comfortable with someone who values similar morals. Also for those same individuals life wouldn’t be the same if they chose to marry into another race. For example, for rejecting their own race they would be looked upon by their people as cowards. In addition, they would have to give up their life style, which consequently means having no contact with family and friends. Basically, it would mean abandoning one’s former life in order to commit to an interracial relationship. Furthermore, as stated by Gosier Elijah, in “Not even Cupid brings much racial unity” in the eyes of African American women, “black men are guilty of racial treason, rejection and hatred of their own race.” What people should keep in mind is that it isn’t easy for many individuals to associate with someone outside of their nationality, because of pressure from family members or simply because of discomfort. We shouldn’t assume those who refuse interracial marriage as xenophobic, rather we should be respectful towards the decisions they make.For many nationalities such as Armenians, choosing to marry someone outside of their nationality is a controversial issue. Armenians have survived through gruesome and atrocious wars, therefore marrying outside one’s race would be an utmost disrespect towards their ancestors who fought to keep their heritage alive. Hence, no person has the right to judge such nationalities as xenophobics. Even though many don’t live in their country, that doesn’t mean that they have forsaken their cultural heritage and their upbringings. Armenians like Zionists have a vision of returning to their homeland someday. Many did not choose to leave their country rather they were forced by the Ottoman Empire, and those who willingly left were people whose homes and lives were completely destroyed by the oppression of other countries bordering them. We Should first learn the history of a group before we judge them.Every individual has the right to associate with whomever they please. This doesn’t give the right for others to take advantage of the situation and look upon certain groups who predominantly marry within their own nationality as xwnophobics. We must take into consideration that everyone is different, and by so we must not label a group with the first thought that pop into our heads. Whenever we come across such confusion we must think of the Golden Rule, and how our judgments will affect the person we choose to talk about. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MJ Posted December 14, 2002 Report Share Posted December 14, 2002 quote:Originally posted by QRISTINE: If we would like to keep our culture alive it does not give you the Right MJ TO CALL US XENOPHOBICS. At least I have the right to an attorney and the right to remain silent, I hope... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rubo Posted December 14, 2002 Report Share Posted December 14, 2002 Arpa> Take him home with you whereever that may be. Is Telaviv a good place? I may some day write what I know about the Bible and Hisus. You may be surprised. I know quite a bit. I can quote you chapter and verse, i.e. I have known it since before most of you were born. At the present I only read it for amusement as to how people can belive all that myhological garbage that was plagiarized and stolen from others, including ours. Yes! Noah is Armenian, they stole it from us. I have written about it in length. I can rebroadcast it if need be. Arpa> I don't think I am an atheist, I just don't give it much thought. I have my own concept of God, it may be much diffrent from others' but I'll tell you, it is not that ridiculous caricature pictured in the BOOK.You may address me as Dear Cynic or Sireli Agnostic. Dear Arpa, I respectfully differ with you (notice now if I said disagreed all hell would break lol)I believe your characterization of Christianity is unfair. It is true that Christianity does barrow heavily from Egyptians, Assyrians, nomadic tribes but the gist or the soul of Christianity transcends the “myhological garbage” you referred. Christ consciousness is one of the highest states of mind to achieve and to understand Christianity from fables is to miss the point. For me Christ is Zen, transcendence from duality by loving ones enemies one stops the hate within and after all conquering the demons within is the hardest thing there is.The world as we know it is built upon barrowed ideas-from semiconductors to radio to pyramids, architecture were all based on ideas shared and stolen. You have every freedom to believe anything you like but as a caution your very own beliefs may be by product of all the literature you read hence you are also a “barrowed idea”. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rubo Posted December 14, 2002 Report Share Posted December 14, 2002 Some observation on this thread, the” positive and empowering” massages reflected. We are Xenophobic, we are losers, and we are weak “share them with your kids”. If our intellectuals find nothing good to say about Armenians then I rather hang out and drink beer with our fanatics at least they are not confused as whom they are. Yes I did think about the xenophobic part and if you take The French, Italians, Germans, Jews, and Arabs etc. it can apply as well. Nothing-new here. No R e v e l a t I o n s [ December 14, 2002, 10:00 AM: Message edited by: Rubo ] Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
QRISTINE Posted December 14, 2002 Report Share Posted December 14, 2002 Hi Rubo YOU DEMONSTRATED GREAT POINTS CONSERNING TO XENOPHOBICS I COMPLITLY AGREE WITH YOU. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Loreley Posted December 15, 2002 Report Share Posted December 15, 2002 Tigrannes: You wrote,"Women's empowerment in America is one of the biggest reasons that people in America are crap." Women's empowerment is as important as Armenian's empowerement, as African Americans' empowerement, etc. Any kind of oppression is wrong. You are making a huge generalization about Americans. Based on what? Whad does women's empowerement have to do with Americans? Your statement is sexist and racist. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arpa Posted February 16, 2004 Author Report Share Posted February 16, 2004 Why are Armenians so phobic? Why is the Armenian Church so paranoid? Is it a sign of strength or weakness? Why is it acceptable to deny our own culture even if at times it may come from times before we even knew how to spell "Hisus". Regardless it is still our culture and I see no shame. Danger? Do we have the force and confidence to resist it? The pagan origin of Valentine. One of many such sites. http://www.techdirect.com/valentine/origin.html#st We have seen some of these under various other topics. Lets' see if it will make more sense when gathered under one roof. Terntes; http://www.armenianow.com/2004/february13/...rndez/index.asp St. Sargis; http://www.armenianow.com/2004/february06/features/salt/ ====== Armenia: Church Attacks "Pseudo-Religious" Festivals By Karine Ter-Saakian in Yerevan (CRS No. 218, 13-Feb-04) Jumping over fires, eating salty cakes and sending cards with hearts on them: young Armenian sweethearts are likely to be doing all of these things over the coming days. With three festivals falling within a few days of each other, including the increasingly popular international lovers' date St Valentine's Day, Armenians themselves often mix up old and new customs. To some, this is all part of the country opening up to the outside world; others, especially the church, strongly disapprove. On February 13, fires are lit all over Armenia for pairs of sweethearts and newly married couples to jump over. This original way of celebrating the Candlemas Day in Armenia is over 1700 years old and many people confuse it with St Sargis' Day, commemorating a fourth century martyr and supposed patron of love, a few days earlier. And since the rest of the world celebrates February 14 as St Valentine's Day, Armenia follows suit. "I really love Valentine's Day and always get presents," said Lusine, 20. "And if we don't know what holiday the Armenian [Apostolic] Church is observing on this day, then it is the Church's fault." The Armenian Apostolic Church takes a far from indulgent view of this, seeing it as a sign that Armenians are turning away from religion. "We have an extremely negative attitude towards all these pseudo-religious holidays that came to Armenia from the West," said Father Vahram Melikian press secretary for the Armenian church. "They bring nothing but harm." Fr Vahram said the Armenian church - traditionally said to have been founded in 301 AD - had always been with its people and helped them preserve their identity. He said that priests do take part in many popular rituals that are obviously pre-Christian and pagan, such as animal sacrifices, jumping over a fire on Candlemas Day and blessing the vine grapes on the Day of Blessed Virgin. "But St Valentine's Day should not be observed in Armenia - we have enough of our own holidays that are much more ancient than this obscure story of some lover," said Fr Vahram. St Sargis' Day is always celebrated on the first Friday of February. He was an early Christian warrior who was martyred on January 31, 363. Armenian folk tradition had it that he had abducted his beloved and then married her, making him a patron saint for lovers. On the Friday before St Sargis' Day, young people traditionally eat salty biscuits before going to bed, and whomever they see in their dream bringing them water will marry them. They can also put a plate with flour in it in front of their house, and if in the morning they can find a horseshoe print on a plate that means that St Sargis came over and gave his blessing. The commercial importance of the week between St Sargis' and St Valentine's Day is assured. This week is already seeing a lively trade in the shops for small souvenirs, "Sargis" and Valentine cards and cosmetics. "From February 7 to February 15, we sell more of everything - from expensive cosmetics to postcards," said a shop assistant in Hayastan, one of the largest shops in Yerevan. "Sometimes we even have to close shop later than usual. This year we've had a lot of corporate orders - when large companies and banks purchased gifts for all their staff." The day also gets a large share of weddings and engagement ceremonies because, according to the Armenian church calendar, a week after the Candlemas Day comes the Shrovetide, and then the beginning of Lent. "They say if you get married on February 13 or 14, the marriage will be a happy one," said a young Yerevan resident, Artur. "And you can't get married during Lent as the Church forbids it. Although I doubt that my parents were unhappy - no one observed any church canons during the Soviet times at all, and everything was fine." "Last year, at night I made a horseshoe print by the door of the girl I love, and then she kept telling everyone that she was visited by the saint," said Samvel. "And only then she agreed to go out with me. I did tell her the truth later, though. So all these days are just a tribute to conventions and traditions. I personally don't care whether it's Sargis or Valentine, as long as my beloved is with me." The dispute between church and young people exposes some contradictions about what young Armenians think about their traditions. Although Armenia prides itself on being the "oldest Christian nation in the world", church attendance is relatively low and knowledge of church practices and teachings is patchy after years of communist rule. Most Armenians now go to church for baptisms and weddings, and they appear to be doing so more for the sake of tradition than out of faith. Few couples, as prescribed, come to the altar after a week of fasting and prayer. The Church now considers even such seemingly innocent rituals as sending Valentine cards to be undermining its authority. Father Aram Mailian, who teaches theology, said, "It starts with innocent greetings and cards, then comes joining a sect and that's it - the person is lost for the Armenian church." Even the head of the Church Catholicos Garegin II has expressed his concern. "Overall I think that recently the church has interfered into our lives way too much, and before you know it they'll make us fast and declare you a bad Armenian if you refuse," countered Armine, manager of a Yerevan supermarket. "A holy place is never empty," deputy minister of culture Karine Khodikian told IWPR. "The Armenian church failed to explain in good time which saint should be given preference, and it is to blame for the fact that our young people send each other Valentines instead of Sargises. But I think not all is lost, and the Church can still repair its omission. In any event, I believe that everyone should do what they feel is right. You can't achieve anything by forbidding things - you can only make it worse." Karine Ter-Saakian is a reporter for the Respublika Armeina newspaper in Yerevan. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stormig Posted February 16, 2004 Report Share Posted February 16, 2004 Your statement is sexist and racist. Not to mention moronic. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anonymouse Posted February 16, 2004 Report Share Posted February 16, 2004 Phobia Armeniaca. No it is not a fruit or anything. Prunus Armeniaca is. It is Apricot. Phobia Armeniaca means Armenian Fear, and sometimes depending on the context it may also mean Armenian Hatred. Does that mean we are cowards? You be the judge! There have been many debates about intermarriage, assimilation and alienation on this forum. Nothing new. This debate may as well go all the way to time of Haik and Ara. It has not changed an iota. The outcome is always; Armenians better not marry otars, not get assimilated. FEAR!!! Understandable, if one considers what cowards we are. How we talk from a position of weakness rather than a position of strength. BTW,. there are those among us that claim Armenians created the world and that we make it spin around the sun. Is that why Armenians don't have to screw a light bulb in as they can just stand still and let the spinning globe do the job?!! However, we must also make sure that the world spins clockwise otherwise the light bulb will be unscrewed. smile.gif smile.gif smile.gif I will make this as succinct as possible. Many a correspondent here and since the dawn of the universe has expressed fear and concern about intermarriage and every nuance thereof. They are justified . They have a reason to be afraid. After all they seem to know our history. They know that every time we had contact with foreigners we ended up as the losers. When we had intercouse(please look up the definition, it does not necessarily mean serayin haraberuyun, often just haraberutyun). When we had to do with the Persians no Persian became/converted to Armenian. How many Armenians became Persian? When we had to do with the Greeks no Greek became Armenian. How many Armenians became Greks? When we had intercourse with the Byzantines how of them became Armenian? How many Armenians became Byzantine? (You may find a list of Byzantine Emperors of Armenian ancestry). How many Romans converted to Armenian? How many Arabs thought it was better to be an Armenian? The list goes on. Did I leave anybody out? Oh, yes, I did. How many Turks embraced Armenianism? How many visa versa? WHY??? As promised, I will only pose the questions and let our ethnologists and philosophers furnish the answer. Why is an itremarriage considered a net loss rather than a gain? Have we not heard the old adage when a father of the bride says; "I have not lost a daughter, I have gained a son (in law)? When is the last time an otar spouse of an Armenian became an Armenian, rather than the Armenian spouse pushed out and forced to join the ranks of his/her otar spouse? Why? When is the last time we introduced our otar spouse even after 50 years of marriage as an Armenian and not "meet Sheila/Sean", he/she is Irish? When is the last time our institutions wholeheartedly welcomed an otar spouse as "harazat child"? Why!!! What are we afraid of? Why are we constantly speaking from a position of weakness? Fear of losing a daughter/a son rather than gaining a daughter in law or a son? Why is it always a one way street? I may know some of the answers, the most stupid of which is "An Armenian is born as such, when we examine Armenian blood under the microscope we will see the big letter A , all others please stay out". Speaking of phobia , there may be one other people who may desereve the first prize of xenophobia and neither have they grown exponentially even when they may claim to be as ancient as we are if not more. According to some sources there may have been 4 million of us at the beginning of the Christian Era. World populatio has grown 30 fold since then. That means thare should be at least 120 million of us today. Where did the other 112 million go? (Some may cite massacres and genocides as the reason. My question is why were massacred and genocide and not visa versa?) While in the meantime only a handful of Turks came from Central Asia. How many are they now? How many of them were originally Armenian that intermarried (in the broad sense of the word)? Why do we consider an honor and privilege our ability to speak Turkish while they consider a curse to even refer to us? How many Turks speak Armenian? Why did we learn their language and not visa versa? Od course, Mesrop would turn in his grave if, Aramazt forbid, that we teach our language to our neighbors, after all he composed it to be preserved (as a pickle). And what if that peckle goes bad? Waiting for your analyses I will stop here even though I can write volumes about the subject. The plain truth is that you can trace all of the rise and fall of civilizations to the change in demographics. The reason Armenians fear intermarriage, in my opinion of course, is because they are historically a small people and have always been in some way,shape or form been the losers by the neverending invaders. Every race, people, and culture desires for survival, and it is a natural human tendency, since humans are social creatures, territorial. Armenians being low in numbers, and having faced what they have, naturally regard their assimilation as pretty much the endpoint of their existence and all that "struggle" for pretty much nothing. Then again many civilizations have risen and fallen and many peoples have disappeared. Your question is an innocent one and a good one. It is only logical that if Armenians intermarry others, and mix, they will eventaully assimilate and subside, just like anyone else. This isn't to say that if you want to intermarry you shouldn't, but rather this is just highlighting a process. This rule is simply the rule in history with regard to population shifts, and demographic changes. Take a look at the former Armenian communities in Eastern Europe and the Crimea...they no longer exist. The diaspora will meet the same fate in the course of time and as the world gets more interconnected of what we call "globilazation". That this is something to doubt is not even a question. It simply follows that if a given people who is responsible for a given culture and civilization disappear, or are thoroughly mixed, then they will no longer exist and the character of their civilization will change. The people with fewer numbers such as Armenians are more easily prone to be 'sucked in' the larger groups, than the inverse. In fact, you could look at all of history with this ethnographic model and it'll make more sense than historical materialism. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arpa Posted February 16, 2004 Author Report Share Posted February 16, 2004 (edited) Aneres Muk, :) No I don't mean to be insulting or even scolding. Yes, at the surface in the Armenian "aneres" may mean impertinent, insolent and sassy but here I am using it as a direct translation from "faceless". BTW. "anun" means name and it is of the same derivation as many of the Europen words meaning the same, i.e. name, nom, nome, name etc. I have even heard some Armenians pronounce it as "anoum" , note the last letter M.) Anonymouse: It is only logical that if Armenians intermarry others, and mix, they will eventaully assimilate and subside, just like anyone else. This isn't to say that if you want to intermarry you shouldn't, but rather this is just highlighting a process. This rule is simply the rule in history with regard to population shifts, and demographic changes. Take a look at the former Armenian communities in Eastern Europe and the Crimea...they no longer exist. The diaspora will meet the same fate in the course of time and as the world gets more interconnected of what we call "globilazation". That this is something to doubt is not even a question. It simply follows that if a given people who is responsible for a given culture and civilization disappear, or are thoroughly mixed, then they will no longer exist and the character of their civilization will change. The people with fewer numbers such as Armenians are more easily prone to be 'sucked in' the larger groups, than the inverse. So, Ananum I assume you live in America. We will get back to that. In the above quote you fail to dinstinguish between two terms that invariably pervade debates of the sort. Namely, assimilation and alienation. This subject was discussed at some length sometime ago. You may search for it using "alienation" as the keyword or simply view my posts of yore. Assuming you live in America you will be familiar with the many ethicities that make the nation. Let's consider, among many the Italians. How many are there? How many do actually speak the language? I discovered much to my surprise that I speak(or at least understand) much more Italian than 90% of the so-called Italian American, yet after having lived in this country fo over a hundred years, having lost all mastery of the language, I have yet to see a person with a surname like Romano, Naploitano or Milanese deny their heritage or even hint to shame. They may not spesak the language yet they will fight to the death to protect their "pasta fasule" and their "lasagna". Are they assimilated? How many prominent personalities of American Italian heritage can you cite, be they in arts, sciences, politics, and yes, even the underground. Are they alienated? Do they deny their heritage, or are they ashamed of it? Apply the above to any other ethnicity. As to your "assimilate and subside". I'm sure you know that assimilation is a two way street, some come and others go, it is the net result that counts. It seems in our case it is mainly "go". I read somewhere (I'll have to find where) that at the beginning of the modern era, two thousand years ago Armenians numbered 4 million when the entire world population numbered a mere 200 million. Since then the worlf population has grown 30 fold, 5 fold just during the 20th c. Everything checks! 200 million has grown to 6 billion. Check! The mere 1+ million Armenians after the Big G. have grown to 6-8 million. Check! But by the same logic, 4 million Armenians at the dawn of the modern era if grown 30 fold would have numbered at least 120 million now. Where did the other 112 million go? We know some of the answers. Now let's see the rest. Alright! OK! Some of the above figures may be subject to debate but let us also consider this. When the Turks first set foot on our lands they did not number more than a handful. Some say about 100,000. Look how many there are now. According to this Almanac, about that time, 1000AD world population was 500,000,000 (half a billion), which adds up that since then the world had grown at least 12 times, most of the explosion happened during the 19th and the 20th c. How does that explain the fact that they boast to be 60-70 million today? Where did they come from? How many babies a year can they have? How many odf them are "assimilated" Armenians? Didn't we say that assimilation is a two way street? Edited February 16, 2004 by Arpa Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ggmakhm Posted May 25, 2004 Report Share Posted May 25, 2004 (edited) May be, it's very simple. We like to be comfortable at home. We do not like wage wars there. We have habits and do not need constantly explain everything. Our way of living at home is better. So, why shoud reject it? The culture is for us. It was created by us and for us. We are old and like our habits. What is the problem then? Edited May 25, 2004 by ggmakhm Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Teutonic Knight Posted May 26, 2004 Report Share Posted May 26, 2004 It all depends with whom one intermarries... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anaheet Posted May 27, 2004 Report Share Posted May 27, 2004 quote:Originally posted by Loreley: Being xenophobic and liking to be an Armenian are two things completely different. Being xenophobic is putting yourself as superior to others, it is like any other kind of discrimination-boundary; i.e. being homophobic, sexist, racist. In this country, a lot of people are xenophobic toward immigrants (especially non-White immigrants) and we, Armenias as immigrants, should be the less ones to be xenophobic.this is exactly what i mean- we've been tainted by western thinking. this is exactly what i mean- we've been tainted by western thinking. Oh, that's pure silliness. Of course Armenians have been influenced by Western thinking. Ever since the Crusades we've been influenced by Western thinking. Just look at Armenian religious art for an example of this. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arpa Posted July 2, 2006 Author Report Share Posted July 2, 2006 (edited) Of all the phobias we have spoken about, we may have omitted one big phobia that seems particular to Armenians- Hydro-Phobia. Fear of water. Yes, yes I know, that term is a euphemism to that horrible disease, Rabies/Կատաղութիւն. Usually transmitted by the bite of rabid animals, be they dogs, bats or other wild and domestic mammals. The popular interpretation of the term is that people afflicted with the disease are deathly afraid of water, while the correct one is that the disease paralyzes , among other organs the throat muscles wherby one cannot swallow, not even WATER. Do Armenians suffer from “hydrophobia-fear of water“? Observe the maps below. Except for a relatively brief period of the Kilikian Kingsdom. Even then there is very little precious information about our maritime culture and exploits, escept may be, relations with Cyprus. http://www.armeniapedia.org/index.php?titl...n-Adana1909.gif No other map shows us to touch any big water. This is the closest ever we have come to the Black Sea without touching it. The Caspian does not qualify as it is only a landlocked Lake, much like the Lake Van. http://www.armsite.com/maps/greater.phtml Yet, judging by how Armenians settle in America, mainly on the coasts, be they Atlantic, Pacific or the Great lakes... Doe we really have hydrophobia- fear of water- ՋՐԱՎԱԽ?? Why?? http://images.google.com/imgres?imgurl=htt...=image&cd=1  Edited July 2, 2006 by Arpa Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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