CURIOUS QUISTION

[QRISTINE]

Barev MosJan

 

Yes chgitem mi te hauituinits ktrvats em dra hamar em aidpes sur motenum chgitem. Baits mi komits chisht es asum ete srtumt hairenasirution bar haskatsoxution ka da misht el kpahpanvi. De es arden xosk chunem aselu ain haieri masin voronk nuinisk chen uzum endunen vor irank hai aruin ka mejnere es andsamb drants el hay chem hamarum el ich hai vor uranum es ko azge lezun ev havate. Es el shat angam lsum em enkeruhinerits voronk asum en du Americaum es aistex urish e baits de patasxane trvum e nrants aispisin ete otarutian mej es da kez arit chi talis vor moranas ko naxninerin. DU inds chist haskatsi es dem chem otarnerin inchpes asum en amen tex lav mardik el kan vatn el voch meks 100% chenk. Uxaki iroq vat em zgum ain haieri hamar ovqer angam uzum en jjngel irents mairenin otar aperum hakarake menk petk e pahenk ev sirenk mer mairenin. Baits inchpes du asatsir ainkan haier kan vor der chen poxvel pahpanel el irents lezun havate ev ekexetsin da arden marduts e galis.

 

Urax em tsanotanalu hamar

[MosJan]

QRISTINE jan mi poqer urrum - vor@ bavakanin lurj xndir e inqnin - ches Karror mekin Hye Chanvanel yete chuni mer Qristonya kronq@ - menka Hayers mer kronov che vro Hye enq iyl azgutyamb. KAn Katholike Hayer - kan Hethanos Hayer, kan Azgakron Hyer ~~~~ yev iyspes sharunak

Iynpes vor Hy@ mnum e Hye / chnayats vro yes ktrakanoren dem em Hyeri Kronapox linelun - manavand iys verchin 7-10 tarinerum yerb poxvum darnum en buda - morman - YhoFa. da inchvor ter nuynisk hamarum em "davajanutyun" mer naxnineri handep.

 

MOvses

[THOTH]

I know that this is a difficult question and a controversial issue for most here.

 

Let me say that I am an assimilated 1/2 Armenians (just like Tigrannes BTW - LOL). My mother who is full blood had rejected the Armenian community (long story) pror to my even being born. Though she speaks fluent Armenian and is a wonderful example for all Armenian wives and mothers - she rejects her Armenianism (though is a superb cook of Armenian food! - though growing up she would alwas tell me when I would ask that it was a family recipe and had nothing to do with being Armenia - etc). I "discovered" my "Armenianess" from exposure to other family and my own interests, and though I don't speak or live as an Armenian per se - my presence here, interest in varous Armenian issues and participation in (limited) Armenian events & such, and my "blood" is enough - I think - to at least be considered as one - for what it is worth. I just want to be clear for the new members where I am coming from - becauase I am more or less assimilated (not my choice in a sense - but I have only done so much to become involved in the Armenian community and have never learned Armenian). OK.

 

I think that this concern regarding assimilation/mixing & the like is understandable - but somewhat misplaced. I don't think that it is possible for the majority of Armenians living in the West to resist assimilation. It just isn't going to happen. I do think though - that if there are aspects to being Armenian that are worthwhile that these will continue - though perhaps this will only be some identification with being such and wwith Armenian and perhaps the religion - perhaps and perhaps some family foods, celebrations, dances & such. Of all you Armenian traditionalists I wonder how many of you actually do cook Armenian and prepare Armenian food on a regular basis (and I'll put my shish kebab & pilaf up against anyones!).

 

And this whole marriage issue and mainting Armenian "pureness" - well it may work for some..for a while - but you cannot expect that this will be the riguer for all. Perhaps Armenians will form some sort of Amish community stuck in time - but I doubt that the majority of Armenians will maintina this lifestyle. And while my heart mourns the passing of our traditions etc - to think that we (Armenians in the West) could somehow isolate ourselves and resist assimilation is I think both a highly unlikely pipe dream and just not realistic. Our forefathers who were exposed to or emersed into other cultures did not reject those things that made their lives better. They adopted what suited them and maintained what still worked from their traditional ways. It is the same now - but time has been compressed and is moving more quikly - thus change is more rapid - like we have never seen before. It is both unrealistic and for the most part impossible to remain stuck in time and unaffected by the changes arround us.

 

So - while many Armenians will marry other Armenians - many will not. And some wil maintian soem connection to their roots and some will not. If you really care about your culture and its survival you must make some adaption and move foreword - as stagnation will only have limited appeal. Time doeas not ever stand still - to think that it can is well - unrealistic to put it mildly. But if you do care (and I think this is great) - make being an Armenain something special and desireable - and then doen worry - it will happen...or not...but fretting over lost culture but doing nothing to "save" it (or evolve it) does you no good. You may understand these things better as you age and expose yourself to the world.

[QRISTINE]

Barev MosJan

 

Shnorakalution, kardalov ko tesakete es mets tpavorution statsa.

[Harut]

Qristine, no offense, but if you worry so much about staying pure Armenian, why do you just go back to Armenia, where you'll be safer from this mixture "disease"?

[Harut]

nuyn dzevov karogh enq "davajan" hamarel nayev Trdat III-in yev Grigor Lusavorchin (chnayats vor na iski hay el chi eghel) qristonya darnalu hamar.

[MosJan]

QRISTINE barov es yekel - Welcome to HyeForum

 

QRISTINE - iys hartsi shurj menq "zrutsel" enq bazmits@s angamner - sakayn sa iyn hartserits mek@ che vor menq achq pakenq yev kam achqatorr anenq - xndirn inqnin bard e - naManavad iysor - iyn inch tariner arach tekuz yev musulmanakan yerkirnerum / iran-iraq-libanan- ~~~ shat "heshtutyamb" er pahpanvum - iysor iyster USA shat aveli djvar e - jisht haskatsir zis - iyo iyn jamanak el kayin Hayer vro otarneri het eyin amusnanum - voch Hayamet apreladzev uneyin - yev kam cheyin angam mtatsum Hayeren xosel kam grel sovoretsnel irents zavaknerin - yerel en - sakayn ur en n@ranq? lutsvel halvel gnatsel en -

 

isk iysor da el aveli shat e zgatsvum - chgitem inhcu - shater@ achqator en arel irents yerexaneri Hayetsi dastyarakutyun@, kartses te arden voroshi hamar Hayeren xosel@ KAREVOR che. tsavali e !!! inqnin THAJ - qanzi tsankatsats Hyakakan Hamayqum - kan HAykakan hastatutyuner voronq chnchin gumarov - vorosh depqum nayev dzri Hayeren en usutsanum. isk mardiq aveli lav e shabat kiraki tan@ nsten....

 

Mi lav barekam unem worn asum er - " yerexayin der chtsnvats jamanakits petqe dastirakes yev sovoretsnes" - Arajin hayatsqits tsitsareli e te inchpes sakayn voch jshmarit e - jamank yev janq ches xnayelu yerexayin Mardkayin dastyarakutyun yev Usman talu - isk te da inch ardyunq k@ta - da arden djvar che k@rrahel.

 

inch veraberum e "SER" - Ausnutyun - namanavand otari het

 

mer nor serund@ hajax e katarum iys himmar artahaytutyun@ - ohh yes cheyi uzi vro iamanan yes Hay em - ohh amachum em asem vor Hay eem - ohh mer Hayer@ espes kam enpes en - /

miyayn mek harts iys mer Jahelnerin - isk duq Hye linelu masin inch giteq? dzer inchn e Hye ? te Hye eq tsnvel Hyei @entaniqum yev Hye eq ???

 

n@rantits mets mas@ chunen nuynisk tarrakan Hyakakan k@rtutyun, Hogut Hayastani kam Hayeri katarel en 0%

chem asum te menq S@rber enq - hreshtakner yev Menq enq Kataryal Azg@ Ashxarhum - voch menq el Azg enq yev unenq mer Armatner@ - unenq mer Patmutyun@ - mer Dardn u tsav@ - yev vorqan voroshner@ xusapen yev heruu mnan irents Armatnerits - iydqan aveli arag e lutsvelu en otahi het. iysor Gnchuner vor gnchu en chunen yerkir chunen hayreniq chunen ~~~ sakayn pahpanum en irents sovoruytner@ yev patmutyun@ nuysnisk USA/um el ur mnats menq HAyers chpahenq iyn inch mez e poxantsvel iysqan djvarutyamb -...

 

MOvses

[QRISTINE]

Hi Harut

 

If you really want to stay pure Armenian you can be pure Armenian wherever you are. And first of all I dont need your opinion about staying or going to Armenia.

[Sip]

http://zr2.cs.ucla.edu/Sip/zr2/roflmao.gif

 

YAH, Harut! Why the hell don't you keep your opinions to yourself in a "public" discussion board

[MosJan]

Harout eli et ejananots gni es sksel xmel ???

[MosJan]

[QRISTINE]

Hi sweet Seaphan

 

YOur not young enough to know everything so stay on your own bussiness. It is fine to give opinions on the topics but not in personal decidion making

[QRISTINE]

THank you Harut for making Seaphan so happy I never seen him like that before looooooooooooool

[THOTH]

Question for Qristine: Why would a "pure" Armenian ever bother to learn English?

[QRISTINE]

HI TOOTH

 

TO TEACH YOU MORE ABOUT GRAMMAR LOL

[QRISTINE]

Hi Thoth

 

Do you really want to know why pure Armenians bother to learn English or any other languages? Think for second more languages you know then you have better chance of surviving in this world and it makes you intellegent person. And English is my 3 rd language :0 So I consider myself intellegent and PURE Armenian. And if you think more language you know then you will become a stranger to your own nationality then we all have different level of knowledge.

[THOTH]

Qristine -

 

You have learned English to function in an English speaking world/nation. If you wished to confine yourself to activities only with Armenians - and remain a "pure" Armenian - then I would think that there would be no need to learn English. But then I do not think I understand what your definition of a "pure" Armenian is...

[Varduhi]

hi QRISTINE

 

Welcome to hye forum.

[QRISTINE]

Hi VARDUHI

 

It is pleasure to know that somewhere out there that there are clever Armenian like you.

Thank you

[Harut]

hi Qristine

 

i'm not really sure what you are talking about. purity of what?

 

if lifestyle, then it's radiculous because nobody, i mean nobody, today lives with pure Armenian lifestyle. on the second though, what is pure Armanian, or even American, lifestyle anyways?

 

judging from the topic of the thread, i would guess you are talking about purity of blood.

but that it's radiculous as well, because i'm, for instance, always mistaken for persian, but my sister is more like russian with blue eyes and blond hair. so, i'm not sure what were the kinds of the bloods that are running through my vains, but it's Armenian now. and has been so for many-many generations now. so there isn't any pure Armanian blood really.

on the second thought, if you marry a non-Armanian, you don't lose your "purity", your children do.

 

anyways, i don't want to get carried away. just to say that there isn't anything pure Armenian. there is traditional Armenian.

and you always can stick to those traditions.

but then, traditions change, so even being loyal to traditions don't garantee you "purity".

 

you see, i'm so generous guy, that i give out opinions right and reft.

take it, you might need it some day.

[MosJan]

Ach te dzax ser es sharr talis

Ach te dzax Taray Taray ray ~~~

 

HArout Axchikneri het xoselis Glxark@t hani - Ivercho Kareli e che Qich BarehamPyur yev Jerm Verabermunq tsuyts tal / Na manavand mer Forumi nor "zuygerin" - lsir inchpes Yerkvoryakner linen - Xosq@ mejners - lav el mi hunqert kiti - gone mi Tsarik nvires - nstel politika es anum - heto el uzum es psakves es tary - etpes chi lini / sovats merranq - Azat es trrin mi ban haskatsra -

[Sip]

http://zr2.cs.ucla.edu/hf/harut2.jpg

 

Persian? Harut aveli shut Hendiki es namnum es nkarum! Bayts ed klor achkerov, yerevi xharnurd es im kartsikov.

[gamavor]

Someone who is not Thothy-Fruty, I guess!:-)

[QRISTINE]

Hi GAMAVOR

 

If you are Armenian then you should know perfectly what does mean to be pure Armenian. So do not make it complicated your statements if you have other things to say or argue then go for it I dont have time for it. YOU CANT TEACH PEOPLE HOW TO HAVE LOVE TOWARD YOUR NATION.

[gamavor]

I, I Sir/Madam:-)