Why do girls like black guys?

[Sip]

I already have a couple picked out for you.

 

How's this:

 

http://zr2.cs.ucla.edu/hf/jug.jpg

[Accelerated]

hehehe, thats a good one, but nowhere near as good as Alf ...where do you get these crazy photoes from?

[THOTH]

Funny Tigrannes - you racist SOB - it seems I recently heard some similar things said about Armenians by (nasty close minded) WASPy types.

Consider:

 

Rascist WASP:

 

most Armenian guys i know:

1)have something wrong with their face and smell bad

 

2)cheerful? most are grumpy and ready to start soemthing with you

 

3)open-minded? All their friends are Armenians!

 

...admittedly most of my good friends are white, but I have Asian, Hispanic, White, Russian, Arabic, and even black friends...well sort of, I say Hi to them if they catch my eye when I'm trying to look away - and I would never think of inviting them over the house...

 

4)Create a warm atmosphere? Maybe from drinking Raki )) But a warm atmosphere??? They treat women like $h!t!!!!

 

5)Well built- well, the athletic ones generally are - like boxers, wrestlers and soccer players, but the rest of them are like...nerdy chess players & stuff

 

6)Good at dancing- are you kidding - only those really gay looking line & circle dances...did you know that the guys hold hands?

 

etc

 

You reap what you sow...

[TigrannesIII]

call me what you will, but dont call my mother names. it's funny how you advocate being Armenian by not being Armenian.

[TigrannesIII]

-i never said that Armenians didn't have some negative stereotypes. i'm just saying one post glorifies the sevs waaay beyond what they deserve.

[THOTH]

Are you claiming that being racist is a fundemental factor in being (an) Armenian? Well I disagree.

 

In fact I disagree quite a bit concerning what you consider to be requirements for being Armenian. (In fact I find your views on this to be rather twisted). And I certainly do not believe you have the monopoloy on such.

 

Oh - and most sorry about your mom - I'm sure she is a wonderful (non-Armenian) lady - the SOB comment is directed at racists in general...and not all get their distasteful attitudes from their mothers...and considering that she is not Armenian (and you are implyig that racisim is an Armenian trait) - I wouldn't presume that your rather primative attutudes originate from her..

 

[ September 25, 2002, 05:47 PM: Message edited by: THOTH ]

[THOTH]

For the record I think that Armenian dances are beautiful. In fact I recently (last weekend) went to a performance given by an Armenian youth dance group from Yerevan that showcased some wondeful group as well as individual dances. And many years ago I saw an Armenian troup from Canada perform where the lead dancers pounded out an intense rythym on the wooden stage floor using the knuckles of their feet (anyone familiar with thei dance?) - it was so awesome it left me in tears...and it definatly could not be categorized as "gay" (not that it really matters per se...)

[TigrannesIII]

Originally posted by THOTH:

Are you claiming that being racist is a fundemental factor in being (an) Armenian? Well I disagree.

 

-When did I say that?

 

In fact I disagree quite a bit concerning what you consider to be requirements for being Armenian. (In fact I find your views on this to be rather twisted). And I certainly do not believe you have the monopoloy on such.

 

---Nope, I don't have a monopoly. And for the record, I'm not a racist. Just because I look down on inter-ethnic relationships does not make me a racist. If I hated someone just because of their bloodline or just because of the color of their skin, then yes- I would be racist. But just because I wont allow my sisters to date a black guy doesn't make me a racist. The MTV definition of racism doesn't fit in my world. Hell, I even got along with a few turks!!!

 

Oh - and most sorry about your mom - I'm sure she is a wonderful (non-Armenian) lady - the SOB comment is directed at racists in general...and not all get their distasteful attitudes from their mothers...and considering that she is not Armenian (and you are implyig that racisim is an Armenian trait) - I wouldn't presume that your rather primative attutudes originate from her..

 

---Apology accepted, but next time anything is said about my mother I will react to the fullest possible extent of my abilities. Nobody has ever and will ever be allowed to say one negative thing about her outside of my immediate family. My mother was not born Armenian, but she is now more Armenian than many people who were born Armenian. She cooks Armenian, is confirmed in the Armenian church, and has an Armenian surname. It is possible in rare situations like hers to become Armenian. At least my mother was smart enough to marry an Armenian. In fact she has probably re-inforced my ethnic identity more than my father. So, like I have told you before, that is a moot point. I also don't believe in that 'half-Armenian' crap- either you're Armenian or your not (unless of course you choose to have that other side). So plese stop trying to make a moot point.

[Sip]

Say what now? Of course that makes you a racist That's just like someone saying I have smoked a joint every day for the past 20 years and I am not addicted!

 

[ September 25, 2002, 06:28 PM: Message edited by: Sip ]

[TigrannesIII]

Say what now? Of course that makes you a racist smilies/lol2.gif That's just like someone saying I have smoked a joint every day for the past 20 years and I am not addicted![/QB]

 

--like I said, I don't believe in the MTV liberalism. If I was racist my two favorite professors wouldn't be a Russian Jew and an Islamic Tatar, right?

 

did you figure out who won yet?

[Sip]

I think THOTH pulled it off 62-60

 

I am happy that at least at an intellectual level you do not discriminate between races. However, at any point, if you draw distinctions between two people based on race, that makes you a racist! Note that I for example believe blacks are far superior to whites in sports such as basketball and running. That makes me a racist by this definition:

 

1) Racist: The belief that race accounts for differences in human character or ability and that a particular race is superior to others.

 

It's the second definition that I do not want to be a part of:

 

2) Racist: Discrimination or prejudice based on race.

 

Realizing and making distinctions between races is NOT wrong. The races ARE very different. However, I believe, discriminating, segragating, etc, all in the hopes of keeping the "blood-line" pure is bull crap and totally wrong.

 

[ September 25, 2002, 07:07 PM: Message edited by: Sip ]

[THOTH]

quote:

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Originally posted by Sip:

I think THOTH pulled it off 62-60 <img border="0" alt="[wobble]" title="" src="smilies/wobble.gif" />

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Sorry - better luck next time. Keeping with the theme of this thread I must say that I think I must have won because my team was blacker then yours (LOL - just a poor joke - nothing more...)

 

quote:

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Originally posted by Sip:

I am happy that at least at an intellectual level you do not discriminate between races. However, at any point, if you draw distinctions between two people based on race, that makes you a racist!

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I'm not sure that this is technically correct - but I don't have Websters in fron to me right now...

 

quote:

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Originally posted by Sip:

Note that I for example believe blacks are far superior to whites in sports such as basketball and running.

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Perhaps - in practice (but why?)...though there are exceptions and I question if this is necessarily totally genetic - versus some cultural reason (I mean are Brazilians just natural soccer players by birthright?). And many "whites" run can run faster (or further - whatever) then "blacks" - (we will get to my critique of these categorizations in just a bit...and when you say superior - in what way do you mean? Can you really name a black/African American BBall player who could pass as well as Larry Bird? I also think the rise of European stars in the NBA (and in world competition) is a testement to the cultural factors that play a great part in sucess in this type of a sport. And are Turks better soccer players then Armenians (well, perhaps...but there are more of them playing...well look at all the hoops played in US inner cities - ourtsidfe and in the gyms - who is playing mnore BBall? Just like soccer - can you really tell me the Americans just suck at soccer (genetically)? etc

 

I've been told many times that I am a good basketball player - for a white guy...my response is sometimes - "who says I'm white"...LOL (Its true - I am a good basketbal player...not a great one mind you...but pretty damn good/not too shaby...for a non-ghetto dude! LOL)

 

quote:

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Originally posted by Sip:

That makes me a racist by this definition:

 

1) Racist: The belief that race accounts for differences in human character or ability and that a particular race is superior to others.

 

It's the second definition that I do not want to be a part of:

 

2) Racist: Discrimination or prejudice based on race.

 

Realizing and making distinctions between races is NOT wrong. The races ARE very different. However, I believe, discriminating, segragating, etc, all in the hopes of keeping the "blood-line" pure is bull crap and totally wrong.

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OK - let me say this right here and now - I believe that there is as much variation among individuals within each of the supposed racial classifications as variances to those without. (I mean besides Mugsy Boges do you know of any other Pygmy NBA stars? LOL) - get my point. I challrnge nayone to draw lines between races with distinction because exceptions (and not just ones and twos can and will be found). Our common racial distinctions are focused on characteristics based upon look (primarily skin color...but ale eyelis shape, hair type and other factors) - but this ignores both significant differences among populations who share these outward characteristcs as well as similiarities in seemingly diverse groups. SO we use these racial terms for convienience purposes (and because they correspond roughly to peoples from certain geographic areas who admittedly share certain characteristics) - but these are neither universal nor comprehensive. And the bottom line is that we are all human and we are all individuals - and this matters more then any racial categorization.

 

And I can't help it that Tigrannes lives in a poor neighborhood where people can't afford deoderant or such - he really ought to get out into the world more. I can introduce him to many blackpeople - who if they were of similar self-agrandized aloofnees as Tigrannes would turn their noses up at him for his lowely social status, dress, poor sense of style, lack of proper education and any number of other factors where he would fall beneath them on certain social or otherwise pecking orders - etc (though I find all of this silly and meaningless). People are different from each other - based on where they live/grew up, ethnic influences (food, dress, predominant culture etc), personal preferences, genetics - etc etc - isn't it wonderful? Is the correct ideal that we are all the same - I certainly don't think so....

[TigrannesIII]

And I can't help it that Tigrannes lives in a poor neighborhood where people can't afford deoderant or such - he really ought to get out into the world more.

 

HAHAHAHAAAAAAAAAAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA shad khentalik es!!!!!!!!!!!

[TigrannesIII]

even though i really have nothing to prove to the likes of you, i'm sick of you lowering yourself to personal attacks on anybody who doesn't get in line with your liberal ideologies. For all it matters, my family is middle class, we live in a nice house, I dress nice, and I am one year ahead of where I should be at a top 25 university (not to mention one of the most liberal schools). I am sick how you and liberals in general go on about how everyone has the right to be themselves, except me. I cant think the way I want to, even though your ideology at its heart states I can do whatever I want. So, you villify me, but really we both want the same thing- people to think like us. Only you are a hypocrite, which makes you worse.

[Accelerated]

Tigran,

 

I wouldnt take our friend THOTH too seriously. Latelly it has become apparent to me that much like Hagarag has become the self-appointed prothet of this forum, THOTH has become the self-appointed 'TEACHER' (something he has admitted). And although I dont disagree with anything specific he has stated in this thread, it is his methods that irritate me. He thinks he can 'teach' by ridiculing those that dont agree with him. Frankly, I think he belongs in a straitjacket, and for extra amusement we can throw hagarag into the same cell and watch the unfolding drama.....

 

[ September 26, 2002, 02:58 AM: Message edited by: Accelerated ]

[khodja]

You conservatives disgust me, you are abhorrent. I would like to take Rush Limbaugh, muzzle him and throw him into a lake with stones chained to his feet. He has caused so many people to die that he is worse than Hitler,Talaat or Stalin.

[Accelerated]

LOL!

 

Hagarag jan,

 

what the hell are you on about. I dont even know who this Rush Limbaugh fellow is....

 

But if this is about your demand for the d!ildo and surgical knife (when we throw you in the cell with THOTH), your wish is granted!

 

[ September 26, 2002, 03:07 AM: Message edited by: Accelerated ]

[THOTH]

quote:

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Originally posted by TigrannesIII:

most black guys i know:

1)have something wrong with their face and smell bad

2)cheerful? most are grumpy and ready to start soemthing with you (but only if they got their crew with them. the other night some black guy bumped into me and started talkin $h!t and getting in my face. since i didn't back down and yelled right back, he ran away)

3)open-minded? All their friends are blacks! I'm considered very close-minded by todays standards, and most of my good friends are Armenians, but I have Asian, Hispanic, White, Russian, Arabic, and even black friends.

4)Create a warm atmosphere? Maybe from lighting their joints up. )) But a warm atmosphere??? They treat women like $h!t!!!!

5)Well built- well, the athletic ones generally are, but so was I when I was athletic. Now Sip and Azat are my heroes.

6)Good at dancing- don't know, dont care, i dont like the whole clubbing thing anyways.

 

Rikardo

Well Tigrannes - you are free to believe what you do and free to be so close and nasty minded in your thoughts for as far as I care - but I am equally free to express my opinion that I think you are wrong.

 

I know a great many African Americans and I can't think of any that fit your description. Sure - perhaps in some movie - or like I said in some real poor part of town (which is why I had to assume thats where you hang out - if this is your only exposure).

 

Just for the record (speaking of teaching, Accelerated Juggernaut) - I once had a roomate (in college) who was card caryying (literally) KKK - in fact he headed up his own racist organization at the time. Within a year after living with me he was campaigning for Jesse Jackson and had joined the rainbow coalition (way too far for me even - as I don't support preachers for public office...LOL) - anyway - how, you say could such a transformation be possibel? Well I introduced him to some of my (Black) friends - and he was essentially forced to relate to them as humans (and not carachteratures). With more exposere - and with actually talking to people and seeing how and why they think and act etc as they do - he gained an appreciation - that perhaps different wasn't so bad - and perhaps they weren't even so different - etc - and he also began to see some things from their perspectives. (I imagine he was perhaps your age - so maybe there is still hope...though he wasn't any kind of stubbron/know it all Armenian like us....LOL). Oh and Azat - yes, there was a pretty girl involved...LOL - all true...

[damien]

LAND RIGHTS FOR BLACK GAY WHALES!!!

[damien]

Artt, Maybe it's just because black skin feels like velvet on the tongue, whereas I distinctly remember yours feeling a bit like Ghandi's sandal.

"Why are people so unkind?" - Kamahl.

[THOTH]

quote:

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Originally posted by damien:

LAND RIGHTS FOR BLACK GAY WHALES!!!

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LOL - just about pulls all the recent threads together - eh?

 

So Damien - besides being (very seemingly) gay and (I assume) Armenian (black? ...one never knows...) - could you tell us any more about yourself? Do you live in an Armenian community (in OZ....next door to Accelerated perhaps?) or such - and is the "gay thing" your only issue - or are you involved in the Armenian community at all - artistically/culturally/politically etc...just curious (go ahead and tell me to mind my own business if you wish...)

[Outdoorgirl]

Tigrannes,

 

As far as I understood you spend most of your time with Armenians, so you can’t know the blacks that well.

4)Create a warm atmosphere? Maybe from lighting their joints up. )) But a warm atmosphere??? They treat women like $h!t!!!!

Though I have to admit that the percentage of gentilmen can vary from culture to culture (ex. I think that French guys are gentil, this can apply to Armenians as well), I think it’s for the woman to make her respect. Like a bit rude, but sluts are being treated as sluts in Armenia too. Same with blacks. Many beautiful Armenian girls who are stylishly dressed face inappropriate treatment from the guys in the streets, it’s not always you can hear nice things from them. But don’t you think I don’t like our Armenian guys. I think there are many clever, well mannered, brave and cool Armenian guys who are just wonderful.

2)cheerful? most are grumpy and ready to start something with you (but only if they got their crew with them. the other night some black guy bumped into me and started talkin $h!t and getting in my face. since i didn't back down and yelled right back, he ran away)

 

Here you’re mistaken, not the “ most” , maybe “some”. The blacks I’ve met would never let you get bored. You just need to change your attitude towards them and maybe you’ll get friends with them and avoid that sort of situations.

 

About the dancing and their bodies (even if they get it with hard daily exercises)I have no comments here, everything’s evident. If you don’t like clubbing and don’t care then you should have been silent on this question. Being an Armenian doesn’t disturb you to be in good relations with ppl of other nationalities and having friends among them, it’s natural especially in the case of Armenians who live abroad. You should have to expect that maybe your sister falls in love with a black guy and wants to go out with him. For avoiding this undesirable situation for you and having Armenians all around you there’s one excellent solution. Come to Armenia and live in your motherland. Knowing English, having a University Diploma you’ll sure find a job here and can afford living in your native country. Second, I don’t really understand what you mean by “ being Armenian”. I think everybody here understands it his/her own way but sure you can’t judge who is more/less Armenian just b/c you live with some life standards which only work for You. ( ex. I totally dislike and frankly speaking am ashamed of Rabiz part of our nation, but for them being an Armenian is living a rabiz life which totally doesn’t work in my case). “ being Armenian “ is not smth religious, so in any case there can’t be more/less Armenians, though there can be good/bad one.

Pls, keep in mind that we’re only having discussions here and each one of us has the right to have his own opinion and the others need to respect it, even if they disagree.

 

Take care and stay cool !!!

[THOTH]

Hello Outdoorgirl.

 

I apoligize for not having formally introduced myself earlier. Let me say that I have enjoyed your input in this thread and think that basically you seem to have a good attitude about this issue. I think you will find though - that the more you express your views and reveal yourself - the more possibility that the likes of Tigrannes will start claiming you are no true Armenian or such. Shame really because you seem a fine example to me (of course this exposure has been very superficial - so who knows...maybe you are mean to your mother or something...though somehow I don't think so...) (So welcome & hello there and all that!)

 

Anyway - back to the subject...you are posting from RA - Armenia? How is it that your English is so good (it really is...of course thats a line I give all the gals...LOL) etc...and you go clubbing & such? How is the scene? (I'm just curious - at my age/situation - etc its not my usual thing...though I do video work with bands on occasion, and am into the music scene in general - so I'm not completely out of touch...). Also I was wondering - if you indeed are in Armenia - how is it that you even come across black guys (or hang with or date them?) - or do you? Or are you just admiring from afar - etc...just curious.

 

[ September 26, 2002, 11:53 AM: Message edited by: THOTH ]

[Accelerated]

Oh No!

 

THOTH is trying to pick up again. Actually its a good example for some of our other forum members in the 'art'. Here is a breakdown...

 

A disguised compliment to get things on the boil.

 

Followed by some encouragement...

 

And a more blatant compliment to reinforce the 'feeling'.

 

Followed by a bunch of questions to keep things going.

 

Yes simple, but effective...of course you wont have the girl addmiting how 'in-love' she now is with THOTH, even though I've exposed him....LOL. Sorry mate, I thought I might take the opportunity to teach a little, you know....take some of the burden off your shoulders while chat up the new student

 

[ September 26, 2002, 02:58 PM: Message edited by: Accelerated ]

[THOTH]

Accel - no problem (so what do I care really...) - LOL (I'm old [to/as compared to you & outdoor girl) & married remember? So - if I flirt (and it wasn't really...was it [...obvious I mean...LOL]) well - no big deal eh? - actually I thought - upon seeing the title (of your post) & intro in the todays posts bit - that you were going to accuse me of trying to pick up Damien - LOL!!! (big time) - waasn't I being freindly & personable & encouraging to him as well (and first)? LOL...but no (in both cases...I'm just being friendly/personable...as I am - just by nature...I'm just a really nice friendly guy you know [but sure I like the ladies...I can admit it...speaking of where is that sweety Kazza!]) - but if I were trying to put the make/make a move etc etc - I'm sure I could still learn you yunggins a few...