Armenak Posted April 25, 2007 Report Share Posted April 25, 2007 Observe: http://news.yahoo.com/photo/070424/481/ath10304241330 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lev7 Posted April 25, 2007 Report Share Posted April 25, 2007 I don't think burning the Turkish flag helps our cause, it puts us in the same basket as those Arabs burning American and Israeli flags, lets try to be more civilized Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zartonk Posted April 25, 2007 Report Share Posted April 25, 2007 I agree, but remember that this is in Greece. Anti-Turkish sentiment is thoroughly cemented. I feel the same way when Armenian kids burn and piss on the flag. The fire doesn't REALLY burn Erdogan's ass, you know. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dianjan Posted April 25, 2007 Report Share Posted April 25, 2007 I don't think burning the Turkish flag helps our cause, it puts us in the same basket as those Arabs burning American and Israeli flags, lets try to be more civilized I agree. This should not be the coverage that we should be getting. This doesn't help us at all. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Takoush Posted April 25, 2007 Report Share Posted April 25, 2007 I also agree to Zartonk and dianjan. It's better to stay cool and dignified. We will win far better respect that way and amongst us too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ED Posted April 25, 2007 Report Share Posted April 25, 2007 more civilized would be not to burn a good cloth, i have a better use for it but unfortunately cant say it here I'll leave it to your imaginations every time i got to go i would say, "excuse me I have to use the turkish embassy" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MadArmo Posted April 25, 2007 Report Share Posted April 25, 2007 I also agree to Zartonk and dianjan. It's better to stay cool and dignified. We will win far better respect that way and amongst us too. If your buning a flag it's insulting the entire nation... I think a different method of display must be utilized with a Turkish flag, Carry it side by side with our tricolor during protests to erk them as exiled former Ottoman citizens or subjects, They can't deny we weren't under their rule. It will confuse them a great deal and raise some serious dialogue or debate. I agree to ease our pains, Our martyrs deserve recognition of horiffic acts commited against Armenians during their rule, I said it before amends are long overdue, However pointing the finger at new generation of Turks as butchers is unjust and fuels further mistrust by insulting the entire nation of Turkey. Contiune the struggle and force a change of popular public opinion or perceptions within their ranks, They label Armenians as traitors as it is and doing such acts only validated the infamous Talats and Envers amongs the natinalistic Turds ! If we claim to be smarter then the average Turk... Then lets use our brains to conquer their fears of Armenians. Sure it's a tough sell I understand many Armenians will disagree with me and label me as a traitor also, But I assure you all I'm not ! A game of baseball for example, the pitcher throws a fastball then might switch it to a curve ball to strike out the batter by confusing the competion... Change is good if we use it to our advantage. Btw, I had a sign on my shops bathrooms door with Turkish embassy... Armenians answer the Call ! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arpa Posted April 25, 2007 Report Share Posted April 25, 2007 (edited) Btw, I had a sign on my shops bathrooms door with Turkish embassy... Armenians answer the Call ! Yeah, That reminds us of an old Armenian haneluk/riddle. Այն ինչ է? Վազեմ ձիավոր, նստեմ թագավոր, ելնեմ ուխտավոր: Edited April 25, 2007 by Arpa Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ariane Posted April 25, 2007 Report Share Posted April 25, 2007 we don't have to act like "kurds" as say my mother "kurd chenk", WE have education, we are clever and PROUD, just have to stay unite strong and determinate for to obtain wot we desire, all, recognition and why not OUR SOIL. We are well considered by the rest of the world, not like them !! But really I can understand the anger or some armenians, our story is so hard, they've been so cruel with our blood. Sometimes, I can hate them, specially when I see horribles, without name, terrific pictures of armenians during the war. Sure it could be, some members of our family. At this time I can't explain how strong is the way I hate this b******* Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Error 404 Posted April 26, 2007 Report Share Posted April 26, 2007 Hl@ teseq te ur enq hasel... http://www.azg.am/?lang=EN&num=2007042606 MASONS OF FRENCH "GREAT EAST" LODGE ADVOCATING THE RECOGNITION OF ARMENIAN GENOCIDE As "Azg" has already reported, a delegation of a rather influential Mason lodge has arrived in Armenia recently. Previously it was reported that the delegation’s mission was to establish a Mason organization in Armenia, but on a press conference delegation members Claude Geidan, George Ferre and Guy Akobian assured that their visit was first aimed at expressing their regret about the victims of the Armenian Genocide and condemn the greatest crime of the 20th century. Claude Geidan, Second Grandmaster of the "Great East" lodge, that it was established already in the 18th century and at present has about 50 thousand members. He said the lodge is neither a political nor commercial organization, and its sole mission is to preach the principles of freedom, equity and brotherhood. Third Grandmaster George Ferre assured that the Masons never doubt the fact of the Armenian Genocide. "The events of the beginning of the 20th century was a part of Ottoman Turkey’s policy of extermination of Armenians, and the present policy of denial is the continuation of the Genocide," he said. Moreover, he said that the Masons involved in the perpetration of the Genocide are also worthy of condemnation. He informed that "Great East" lodge calls upon its counterparts in Turkey to recognize the Armenian Genocide. The Mason participants of the press conference said that they had an audience with eth Foreign Minister of Armenia Vardan Oskanian. They declared that they didn’t have a single meeting with any Armenian representative of Mason structures. Claude Geidan added that this is his first visit to Armenia and he does not know well the Armenian politicians and officials. As the "Great East" lodge functions openly, unlike the secret activity of other Mason structures, the delegation members were asked to explain that. The Second Grandmaster said that their lodge is rather modest than secret, although there is a number of Mason organizations in France that are enshrouded with mystery. He added that their lodge has nothing in common with Anglo-Saxon Masons that "thrust their nose" in any business worldwide. It is noteworthy that "Great East" members never visit states ruled by dictatorship, therefore they consider Armenia a democratic state, said the delegation members. Being asked whether their visit is to result in establishment of a Mason structure in Armenia, George Ferre repeated that the aim of their visit was to take part in the ceremony dedicated to the 92nd anniversary of the Armenian Genocide. By A. Haroutiunian Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Takoush Posted April 26, 2007 Report Share Posted April 26, 2007 more civilized would be not to burn a good cloth, i have a better use for it but unfortunately cant say it here I'll leave it to your imaginations every time i got to go i would say, "excuse me I have to use the turkish embassy" I think that's a better way to work it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hyethga Posted April 26, 2007 Report Share Posted April 26, 2007 What a bunch of 'tards. Burning the flag only spits on the names of those Turks who risked their lives to save Armenians and is perhaps the most childish and immature thing to do. Degenerates like these are the first ones who will be unable to answer why April 24 is commemorated. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Error 404 Posted April 26, 2007 Report Share Posted April 26, 2007 Although I am against the burning of the turkish flag but I think you have to watch your language hyetgha. You are calling bunch of turds and degenerates your countrymen and patriots. I think it is against the turkish government which is firecly denying Armenian Genocide as you know. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hyethga Posted April 26, 2007 Report Share Posted April 26, 2007 I'm not generalizing any of them. But a minority of the youth who take part in these activities are Armenian in name only. If you were to question them on the Hamidian massacres, the Adana holocaust, the heroic fighters in Van, how many of them would be able to show any knowledge about them? The people who burn the flag just want to look like they are hayrenasers. After April 24, they go into hibernation and nearly forget about Genocide denial entirely. The burning is used against the Turkish government but how many of these people on the street realize the Ottoman Empire flew the same flag in 1915? that there were people in the Ottoman Empire who were opposed to the orders of the CUP and did their utmost to subvert the triumvirate and that flag represents an entire country? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DominO Posted April 26, 2007 Report Share Posted April 26, 2007 I'm not generalizing any of them. But a minority of the youth who take part in these activities are Armenian in name only. If you were to question them on the Hamidian massacres, the Adana holocaust, the heroic fighters in Van, how many of them would be able to show any knowledge about them? The people who burn the flag just want to look like they are hayrenasers. After April 24, they go into hibernation and nearly forget about Genocide denial entirely. The burning is used against the Turkish government but how many of these people on the street realize the Ottoman Empire flew the same flag in 1915? that there were people in the Ottoman Empire who were opposed to the orders of the CUP and did their utmost to subvert the triumvirate and that flag represents an entire country? Only a minority? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hyethga Posted April 26, 2007 Report Share Posted April 26, 2007 (edited) Well if we're dealing in percentages, I guess 47-53 sounds about right Edited April 26, 2007 by hyethga Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DominO Posted April 26, 2007 Report Share Posted April 26, 2007 Well if we're dealing in percentages, I guess 47-53 sounds about right You're optimistic. Most don't know anything other than "1.5 million Armenians killed", "bloodtursty Turks", "We want Western Armenia back," etc. I don't participate in those April 24 stuff, for many it is just for show and it will be for me distasteful to take part in this. We have here in Montreal a genocide monument and a good place for moorning. I am not throwing everyone in the same bag of course and I believe all those preparation do have a role to get media attention. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Posted April 26, 2007 Report Share Posted April 26, 2007 Yeah, the event in front of the genocide memorial was on CTV on April 24th. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hyethga Posted April 26, 2007 Report Share Posted April 26, 2007 The Hollywood rally is especially disorganized. You're most probably right Dom, I do give them too much credit; the number of "cognizant" Armenians is most probably lower, anywhere between the 10-20%. Chances are, the ones who driving around with the BMW and the Infinity G35s with the half a dozen flags posted on to it, are perhaps the most unknowledgable about Armenian issues. They cannot even name one of the Armenian provinces where deportations took place. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harut Posted April 26, 2007 Report Share Posted April 26, 2007 They cannot even name one of the Armenian provinces where deportations took place. and why should they? why should everyone be concered about all the details of the genocide? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Error 404 Posted April 26, 2007 Report Share Posted April 26, 2007 You guys forget the laws of nature in your comments. It is impossible to expect from all of our contrymen and women to know details about the genocide. I will compare the issue with the army. You have elite forces in army probably less than 10% then you have 20-30% very well trained forces and the rest are just soldiers with rifles which make the quantity not the quality. Every person is unique you can't expect everyone to become a rocket scientist when he grows up. Be optimistic and greatful that you have so many people who offer their presence and support on such issue as Armenian Genocide. Ba inch anein nstein tun@ mi 10 hogov durs gain madik asein tshanacheq mer eghern@? Isn't it better to have millions protesting who only know the year and quantity of killed people than to have 2-3 who kill diplomats to attract attention of humanity? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harut Posted April 26, 2007 Report Share Posted April 26, 2007 I'm not generalizing any of them. But a minority of the youth who take part in these activities are Armenian in name only. If you were to question them on the Hamidian massacres, the Adana holocaust, the heroic fighters in Van, how many of them would be able to show any knowledge about them? The people who burn the flag just want to look like they are hayrenasers. After April 24, they go into hibernation and nearly forget about Genocide denial entirely. The burning is used against the Turkish government but how many of these people on the street realize the Ottoman Empire flew the same flag in 1915? that there were people in the Ottoman Empire who were opposed to the orders of the CUP and did their utmost to subvert the triumvirate and that flag represents an entire country? hmm... i didn't know you have to be a history wizz to be considered a true armenian (whatever the hell that is)... i guess i'm a true uzbek and armenian in name only... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DominO Posted April 27, 2007 Report Share Posted April 27, 2007 hmm... i didn't know you have to be a history wizz to be considered a true armenian (whatever the hell that is)... i guess i'm a true uzbek and armenian in name only... That's not the point. Starting to know what happened in Harput, what happened in the beginning in Zeytoon etc., is not being a history wizz. The survivors moorn, because they have lost their parents, their brothers, sisters, friends etc. They were direct victims. What value does a moorning has, when the subject you moorn you don't know about. If someone has the energy to take the flag and screem all over the place for hours, he should have the energy to read a little bit. It takes less than a day to read a book, it takes a day on April 24 to 'moorn', as much time to know a little about what you moorn. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DominO Posted April 27, 2007 Report Share Posted April 27, 2007 Everyone in the army should know how to hold the gun. No? You guys forget the laws of nature in your comments. It is impossible to expect from all of our contrymen and women to know details about the genocide. I will compare the issue with the army. You have elite forces in army probably less than 10% then you have 20-30% very well trained forces and the rest are just soldiers with rifles which make the quantity not the quality. Every person is unique you can't expect everyone to become a rocket scientist when he grows up. Be optimistic and greatful that you have so many people who offer their presence and support on such issue as Armenian Genocide. Ba inch anein nstein tun@ mi 10 hogov durs gain madik asein tshanacheq mer eghern@? Isn't it better to have millions protesting who only know the year and quantity of killed people than to have 2-3 who kill diplomats to attract attention of humanity? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Error 404 Posted April 27, 2007 Report Share Posted April 27, 2007 That means everyone should be present and know the basic facts why is he there. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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