MosJan Posted October 11, 2007 Report Share Posted October 11, 2007 Turkey recalls ambassador to US BBC breaking news graphic Ankara is recalling its ambassador to Washington for consultations amid anger at a bill in Congress recognising the mass killing of Armenians as genocide. The passing of the bill by a House committee on Wednesday despite appeals by the Bush administration was denounced by President Abdullah Gul. Turkey accepts there were mass killings in 1915-17 but denies genocide. Turkey's foreign ministry said the ambassador would return to Turkey for a stay of "a week or 10 days". "We are not withdrawing our ambassador," said ministry spokesman Levent Bilman. "We have asked him to come to Turkey for some consultations." US President George W Bush had argued against the bill, saying its passage would do "great harm" to relations with "a key ally in Nato and in the global war on terror". Turkey is a regional operational hub for the US military, and some suggest access to Incirlik airbase or other supply lines crucial to US forces in Iraq and Afghanistan, could be affected by the row. The US also fears Turkey may make a military incursion into northern Iraq to neutralise Kurdish separatist guerrillas there, who continue to cross the border to ambush Turkish troops. 'Unacceptable and invalid' The non-binding vote, passed by 27 to 21 votes by members of the congressional House Foreign Affairs Committee, is the first step towards holding a vote in the House of Representatives. It was welcomed by Armenian President Robert Kocharyan who said he hoped for "full [uS] recognition... of the genocide". The influential Armenian diaspora in the US has lobbied for years for a recognition of the killings under the Ottoman Empire as genocide. At least 20 countries at various levels of legislation have passed resolutions on this issue. For Turkey's president, the US vote showed that some US politicians had "closed their ears to calls to be reasonable and once again sought to sacrifice big problems for small domestic political games". "This unacceptable decision of the committee, like similar ones in the past, is not regarded by the Turkish people as valid or of any value," Mr Gul said late on Wednesday. Prime Minister Recep Tayyip Erdogan confirmed that the Turkish parliament would discuss allowing military incursions into northern Iraq, possibly next week. The move comes after an escalation in attacks by the PKK killed almost 30 soldiers and civilians in just over a week. Mr Erdogan said such authorisation, which would be valid for one year, would ensure all options were available to Turkey in its fight against the PKK. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gamavor Posted October 11, 2007 Report Share Posted October 11, 2007 The guy on the picture is such a European looking, well mannered, beautiful turk..ts,ts.ts....I can tell they need sheer dental help in Turkey... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Error 404 Posted October 11, 2007 Report Share Posted October 11, 2007 It looks like the House will vote on resolution in mid November. What are the chances now what do you think after all this hysteria from turks? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yervant1 Posted October 11, 2007 Report Share Posted October 11, 2007 It looks like the House will vote on resolution in mid November. What are the chances now what do you think after all this hysteria from turks? Just like a soda pop little fizz and lots of fuzz from turks. I'd say it's a done deal. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arpa Posted October 11, 2007 Report Share Posted October 11, 2007 (edited) Just for the record. Arpi may be right, but the news have never before created so much awareness when every news agencies are talking about. it 24 hours every day. The priceless publicity created is worth its weight in gold, and placed Armeni on the map.. Remember that Arpi is the daughter of our one time friend, RIP Vartahour, Dr. Hrach Vartanian. I will initiate another thread to talk about "what's next". Speking of which, that idiot pundit Jack Cafferyy(cackerty) on CNN said soemthing like; "How can we alienate our most relaible ally in the rgion for 'something' that happened more than a hundred years ago". That "something"?, "something"? AZG Armenian Daily #186, 12/10/2007 Genocide Recognition RESOLUTION 106 WAS A MORAL VICTORY AND HAS NO POLITICAL OR JURISTIC IMPLICATION "Resolution 106, adopted by the House Commission on Foreign Relations with 27 votes pro and 21 contra, has no political or juristic importance, it is rather a moral victory," said yesterday at "Urbat" club Arpi Vardanian, head of the Armenian and Nagorno-Karabakh Representations of the Armenian Association of Armenia. She also added that October 11 is a remarkable day for all the Armenians. A similar resolution was pending last year, but it did not pass to the House of Representatives. Ms. Vardanian said that the Turkish campaign against Resolution 106 was unprecedented, and its aggression served to the contrary: many senators considered the pressure inappropriate and voted for the Resolution. Taking into consideration’s Turkey’s capabilities and rich financial resources, the support of the US Government and George Bush personally, Armenia must be proud having achieved adoption of the resolution. This victory, Arpi Vardanian said, shall be completed in case of the Resolution’s discussion at the House of Representatives, which supports it for more than 50%. The authority of submitting resolutions to the House of Representatives belongs to Nancy Pelosi, who is a member of the Commission on Armenian Issues and has always supported the recognition of the Armenian Genocide. Ms. Vardanian assured that henceforth the Armenian lobby in the USA shall go on with its activities with even greater enthusiasm. She noticed that the Armenian organizations should also always keep an eye on the activities of the Turkish lobby and expressed hope that the authorities of Turkey will prove sensible enough not to start a campaign against the Armenians of Turkey. According to Arpi Vardanian, the adoption of the Resolution may have both positive and negative influence on the relations between Armenia and Turkey. She said that it may encourage other states to recognize the Armenian Genocide officially. By Nana Petrosian, translated by A.M. © Copyright AZG Edited October 11, 2007 by Arpa Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maral Posted October 11, 2007 Report Share Posted October 11, 2007 I can not believe the news coverage this is creating! Even teenagers who are barely aware of what is going on with the genocide issue are paying attention and are impressed and passing information to their friends...this is fabulous.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gamavor Posted October 11, 2007 Report Share Posted October 11, 2007 Of what I gather sneaking into other Internet outlets (forums, etc..) everybody is in our support, even people that you wouldn't believe they care and some are even taking it as their own victory over something. Quite uplifting. I'm really very, very pleasantly surprised.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MosJan Posted October 11, 2007 Report Share Posted October 11, 2007 mer xndir pid ludzve shudov Hampere Wordis Hampere Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dianjan Posted October 11, 2007 Report Share Posted October 11, 2007 It looks like the House will vote on resolution in mid November. What are the chances now what do you think after all this hysteria from turks? Even if it will pass, I'm pretty sure Bush will veto it. But, the positive thing out of this is all the publicity that this topic is getting. This is truly priceless. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yervant1 Posted October 11, 2007 Report Share Posted October 11, 2007 It seems to me that US had an early Thanksgiving Day (turkey day). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Em Posted October 11, 2007 Report Share Posted October 11, 2007 http://www.reuters.com/news/video?storyId=...077682306a37c19 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maral Posted October 11, 2007 Report Share Posted October 11, 2007 It seems to me that US had an early Thanksgiving Day (turkey day). good one quite clever Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Error 404 Posted October 11, 2007 Report Share Posted October 11, 2007 I must agree that the coverage of the topic is on the headlines of every major or minor news agency. But how are they covering the issue? The best coverage we see is neutral representation of the facts. Alot of reporters already are blaming democrats and foreign affairs committee for the vote because they may loose a "long time ally" turkey. But none of them mentions how turkey refused to help it's "ally" US in 2003 before the Iraq invasion to let to use its teritories as a lunch ground for the northern front. Many Prominent Generals admitted that the fact of refusal contributed in losses of lives of US Service- man/woman. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maral Posted October 11, 2007 Report Share Posted October 11, 2007 I must agree that the coverage of the topic is on the headlines of every major or minor news agency. But how are they covering the issue? The best coverage we see is neutral representation of the facts. Alot of reporters already are blaming democrats and foreign affairs committee for the vote because they may loose a "long time ally" turkey. But none of them mentions how turkey refused to help it's "ally" US in 2003 before the Iraq invasion to let to use its teritories as a lunch ground for the northern front. Many Prominent Generals admitted that the fact of refusal contributed in losses of lives of US Service- man/woman. all this will come out to the public soon...after all turkey needs the U.S. more then the U.S. needs turkey.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AK-47 Posted October 11, 2007 Report Share Posted October 11, 2007 Pelosi just confirmed that the resolution will go to vote in the house. Woohooo http://www.voanews.com/english/2007-10-11-voa71.cfm Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hellektor Posted October 12, 2007 Report Share Posted October 12, 2007 Turkey is worthless garbage and always pretends they are important. The moment their expiry date passes the West will drop them like hot excrement. This slap was delivered right in Turkey's muzzle for their stubborn military build up near northern Iraqi border. I never believed I would see this day and I'm truly happy that Turks will spend some uncomfortable nights. All that pleading for nothing... If it also passes in the full House, the government of RoA has no excuse to delay the demands for Wilsonian Armenia. Who knows? We may live to see Turkey dismembered and their state based on genocide and denial reduced to rubble. Amen. As far as the coverage: the most despicable insults came from BBC. The Turk loving English poufs did it again: I. BBC faggots continue to use double quotes for the Armenian Genocide. II. BBC faggots about Garegin II said something like: "as if the passing of the bill wasn't enough, an Armenian chaplain held a prayer in Armenian". III. BBC faggots said something like "tens of thousands of Armenians suffered during the WWI" with a heavy stress on tens. IV. The same tone "Armenians claim it was genocide", "Armenians claim 1.5 millions died", etc., was also dominating and not only on the BBC, but also on Euronews and CNN. Even the news bar on France 24 read: Armenian 'genocide' which was quite bizarre. On Euronews they showed a map with the despicable term "Eastern Anatolia" for Armenia. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gamavor Posted October 12, 2007 Report Share Posted October 12, 2007 . BBC faggots continue to use double quotes for the Armenian Genocide. II. BBC faggots about Garegin II said something like: "as if the passing of the bill wasn't enough, an Armenian chaplain held a prayer in Armenian". III. BBC faggots said something like "tens of thousands of Armenians suffered during the WWI" with a heavy stress on tens. IV. The same tone "Armenians claim it was genocide", "Armenians claim 1.5 millions died", etc., was also dominating and not only on the BBC, but also on Euronews and CNN. Even the news bar on France 24 read: Armenian 'genocide' which was quite bizarre. On Euronews they showed a map with the despicable term "Eastern Anatolia" for Armenia. Don't worry! Very soon their offspring will be well versed in Turkish, Arabic, Pshto, Frshto, Punjabi, etc... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AVO Posted October 12, 2007 Report Share Posted October 12, 2007 I don't know if this was posted before or not. Voting in support of the measure were Representatives Gary Ackerman (D-NY), Howard Berman (D-CA), Gus Bilirakis (R-FL), Steve Chabot (R-OH), Jim Costa (D-CA), Joseph Crowley (D-NY), William Delahunt (D-MA), Eliot Engel (D-NY), Eni F. H. Faleomavaega (D-SM*), Elton Gallegly (R-CA), Gabrielle Giffords (D-AZ), Gene Green (D-TX), Sheila Jackson Lee (D-TX), Ron Klein (D-FL), Tom Lantos (D-CA), Donald Manzullo (R-IL), Michael McCaul (R-TX), Donald Payne (D-NJ), Dana Rohrabacher (R-CA), Edward Royce (R-CA), Linda Sanchez (D-CA), Brad Sherman (D-CA), Albio Sires (D-NJ), Christopher Smith (R-NJ), Diane Watson (D-CA), Lynn Woolsey (D-CA), and David Wu (D-OR). Voting against the measure Gresham Barrett (R-SC), Roy Blunt (R-MO), John Boozman (R-AR), Dan Burton (R-IN), Russ Carnahan (D-MO), Jeff Flake (R-AZ), Jeff Fortenberry (R-NE), Luis Fortuno (R-PR), Ruben Hinojosa (D-TX), Bob Inglis (R-SC), Connie Mack (R-FL), Gregory Meeks (D-NY), Brad Miller (D-NC), Mike Pence (R-IN), Ted Poe (R-TX), Illeana Ros-Lehtinen (R-FL), David Scott (D-GA), Adam Smith (D-WA), Thomas Tancredo (R-CO), John Tanner (D-TN), and Robert Wexler (D-FL). Representatives Ron Paul (R-TX) and Joe Wilson (R-SC) did not vote. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aratta-Kingdom Posted October 12, 2007 Author Report Share Posted October 12, 2007 Pelosi just confirmed that the resolution will go to vote in the house. Woohooo http://www.voanews.com/english/2007-10-11-voa71.cfm Thanks for the link AK. In case the article is removed from the site..., we'll at least have the cope here- in the open forum. US House Speaker: Armenian Genocide Measure Will Go Forward By Dan Robinson Capitol Hill 11 October 2007 Robinson report - Download (mp3) 634k Listen to Robinson report The speaker of the House of Representatives, Nancy Pelosi, says a resolution approved by a House committee this week characterizing the World War I-era killings of tens of thousands of Armenians by Ottoman Turks as genocide will go to a vote in the House. VOA's Dan Robinson reports from Capitol Hill, President Bush wants the resolution stopped, saying it will harm relations with Turkey and U.S. interests in the region. Nancy Pelosi, 11 Oct 2007 Speaking a day after the 27 to 21 vote in the foreign affairs committee approving the resolution, Pelosi reaffirmed her determination to see the measure come to a vote in the House. Some 224 House lawmakers have signed on in support of the resolution, which Pelosi and House majority leader Steny Hoyer say will be brought up at some point before the House is due to end its current session, likely next month. Pelosi told reporters at her weekly news conference that congressional resolutions on Armenian genocide have been put off, with various justifications, over the past 20 years. There is never a good time to acknowledge that genocide has taken place, Pelosi adds, whether in the distant past or the present. "While that may have been a long time ago, genocide is taking place now in Darfur, it did within recent memory in Rwanda, so as long as there is genocide there is need to speak out against it," said Nancy Pelosi. In the wake of the committee vote, Turkey temporarily recalled its ambassador in Washington for consultations, a traditional method of diplomatic protest. Speaking in Washington, Egemen Bagis, a member of Turkey's governing Justice and Development Party and advisor to Turkey's Prime Minister, called the House committee vote a mistake and warned of consequences. However, Congresswoman Pelosi hopes U.S.-Turkish relations will remain strong: "The U.S. and Turkey have a very strong relationship," she said. "It is based on mutual interest and I with all the respect in the world for the government of Turkey believe that our continued mutual interest will have us grow that relationship. This isn't about the Erdogan government [Prime Minister Recep Tayyip Erdogan], this is about the [former] Ottoman Empire." Pelosi dismissed suggestions of any connection between the House resolution moving forward and Turkish government plans for a possible military incursion into northern Iraq against Kurdish rebels. Wednesday's House committee vote highlighted the divisions across party lines on the resolution, with eight Democrats voting against and eight Republicans voting for the measure. At the White House, spokeswoman Dana Perino reiterated President Bush's hope that the resolution will go no farther in the House. "The president has expressed on behalf of the American people our horror at the tragedy of 1915, but at the same time we have national security concerns, and many of our troops and supplies go through Turkey," said Dana Perino. "They are a very important ally in the war on terror, and we are going to continue to try work with them and we hope that the House does not put forward a full vote." In its reaction, the State Department expressed regret over the House committee vote, saying it may do grave harm to U.S. - Turkish relations and U.S. interest in Europe and the Middle East. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aratta-Kingdom Posted October 12, 2007 Author Report Share Posted October 12, 2007 Turks say - NO to BOEING - YES to DONKEY Turkey May Punish Boeing Over Genocide Vote Brian Wingfield and Matt Swibel 10.11.07, 8:26 PM WASHINGTON - Boeing could lose more than a billion dollars worth of defense contracts with Turkey if the House of Representatives adopts a resolution to label as genocide the killing of Armenians by Ottoman Turks nearly a century ago, a State Department official indicated Thursday. R. Stephen Beecroft, executive assistant to Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice, told reporters traveling to Russia and the Middle East with the secretary that Turkey would consider canceling its Boeing (nyse: BA - news - people ) contracts if the House passes the measure, which could be voted upon as early as next week. The Bush administration has lobbied fervently against the resolution, which has touched a raw nerve for Turkey, a strategic Muslim ally of the United States in both the war on terror and in Iraq. On Thursday, Ankara recalled its ambassador to the U.S. for consultations, though he is expected to be back in Washington within a week to 10 days, the Associated Press reported. Officials from the Turkish Embassy did not return a request for comment, and a spokesman for Boeing Integrated Defense Systems, which builds military equipment, said the company was not aware of any potential retaliatory action from the Turkish government. "Our longstanding relationships with Turkish customers, industry and communities are based on years of experience and mutual respect and benefit," said the spokesman, Paul Lewis. "We are confident in our relationship and remain focused on the business and community interests that have always brought Boeing and Turkey together." Boeing's primary defense contract in Turkey is a $1 billion deal to provide the government with four 737 Airborne and Early Warning Control aircraft and the accompanying ground support. The first test flight for the aircraft was completed last month. The Turkish military also uses Boeing-made guided missiles for its fighter jets. It was not immediately clear whether Turkey's contracts with other U.S.-based military suppliers could be affected. Two years ago, Lockheed Martin (nyse: LMT - news - people ), inked a $67.7 million deal to upgrade Ankara's F-16 fleet, and Northrop Grumman (nyse: NOC - news - people ) has in place a $160 million deal to supply the Turkish Air Force’s Boeing 737s with radar systems. In 1915, amidst the crumbling of the Ottoman Empire and the backdrop of World War I, Ottoman Turks began a campaign to drive Armenians out of what is now modern-day Turkey. About 1.5 million Armenians were killed. The Turkish government maintains that the widely accepted number is an exaggeration, and that what deaths there were came as a result of war. On Wednesday the House Foreign Relations Committee passed a nonbinding—and hence symbolic—resolution to label the killings as genocide. A floor vote on the issue could come as early as next week. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aratta-Kingdom Posted October 12, 2007 Author Report Share Posted October 12, 2007 Haaretz.com Turkey and the Armenians / Today's denial is tomorrow's holocaust By Yossi Sarid Congressman Adam Schiff, who proposed the resolution to name the Armenian massacre a genocide, is Jewish. The Jewish nation should be grateful for Schiff's initiative, for he has saved Jewish honor in America, Israel and everywhere. He restored our humane image, in contrast to the cynics and genocide deniers who are forever demanding payment for being perpetual victims. Congressman Schiff is following in the footsteps of another Jew, Henry Morgenthau, who served as U.S. ambassador in Turkey in those days. He called the massacre "the greatest crime in modern history." Advertisement Schiff is also the student of another Jew, Franz Werfel, who on his way to the Land of Israel stopped in Damascus and was appalled to see "the starving, mutilated and sick Armenian refugee children." He published the novel "The Forty Days of Musa Dagh" (1933), which shocked the world. In 1918 Shmuel Talkovsky, then secretary of Haim Weizmann, wrote with Weizmann's approval: "Is there any nation whose fate is more similar to ours than the Armenians?" But in Israel today there are Jews who are less than Jewish and Zionists who are less than Zionist - including heads of state and heads of government. Denying another nation's Holocaust is no less ugly than denying ours. It is also dangerous. Today's denial is tomorrow's Holocaust. The Armenian genocide wasn't the first in this era. The German imperial army slaughtered 100,000 Namibians in 1904. In 1915, the Armenian genocide began; the Ottomans killed 1.5 million of them in various ways. If the world had risen up in protest against the genocide of the Namibians and Armenians, the Holocaust of the Jews might also have been averted. This is not a mere assumption; it's probably a fact. A week before invading Poland, Hitler addressed his officers (August 24, 1939): "It's a matter of indifference to me what a weak western European civilization will say about me ... I have ordered my Death-Head Formation to kill mercilessly and without compassion men, women and children of Polish derivation and language. Who, after all, speaks today of the annihilation of the Armenians?" Such was Hitler's calming message to his troops. The next time some Israel hater - Mahmoud Ahmadinejad, for example - denies the Jewish Holocaust, and we raise a hue and cry about it, there will be some self-righteous Gentiles ready to say, "You're right, but we have our own Turkeys." As natural and historic victims, we should be the ones to spread the message from one end of the world to another: what happened to us can happen again, to us and to the people of Rwanda, Bosnia, Cambodia, Sudan, Burma. There is no need to compare between holocausts to recognize other nations' suffering. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zartonk Posted October 12, 2007 Report Share Posted October 12, 2007 (edited) Turks burning Barbie and Spiderman dolls Cinemas screening American films are closed in Istanbul. To protest adoption of the Armenian Genocide Resolution by the U.S. House Foreign Affairs Committee dozens of Macdonald’s employees did not appear at work. Besides, Turkey threatens to restrict the U.S. use of Incirlik base and seems to neglect Washington’s warning against intrusion into Northern Iraq. An address of the Turkish authorities to the nation was read in Istanbul streets. Speaking to CNN-Turk, PM Erdogan said “the U.S. Congressmen are not entitled to rewrite history.” “Parliamentarians are called to normalize relations and care about future but not past. Turkey has been a U.S. ally in the region for 50 years. I do not see a reason for undermining these relations,” he said. Students and trade companies’ employees are holding pickets at the U.S. Consulate building in Ankara shouting out anti-American slogans. Turkey is launching a campaign in “defense of national dignity.” Protestors call to break off relations with the U.S., to boycott American goods. Turkish media reports that dozens of American toys, including Barbie and Spiderman dolls, were burnt in a shop in southeast of the country, the RFE/RL reports. (The buffonery...) Edited October 12, 2007 by Zartonk Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zartonk Posted October 12, 2007 Report Share Posted October 12, 2007 If it also passes in the full House, the government of RoA has no excuse to delay the demands for Wilsonian Armenia. Armenia doesn’t have territorial claims to its neighbors European Parliamentarians queried Armenian Foreign Minister Vartan Oskanian whether Armenia would seek territorial and compensation claims along the lines of recognition of the Armenian Genocide. While denying any territorial claims, Minister Oskanian pointed to the Treaty of Kars, which regulates the border between Turkey and Armenia. “Since this treaty has never been renounced or replaced after the fall of the Soviet regime and our independence, the borders are clearly demarcated according to it. Therefore, Turkey has no reason to be concerned,” Oskanian said. He added that since Armenia does not have such pre-conditions to start governmental dialogue, Turkey also has to withdraw its pre-condition of Armenia renouncing ‘genocide claims’ to start dialogue between the two countries. Oskanian added that Turkey’s other pre-condition on the Nagorno Karabakh issue is also unacceptable since this is a bilateral problem between Armenia and Azerbaijan. PanArmenian.net Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aratta-Kingdom Posted October 12, 2007 Author Report Share Posted October 12, 2007 (edited) Likely passage of Armenian genocide resolution reflects White House weakness http://www.iht.com/articles/ap/2007/10/12/...ns-Genocide.php Edited October 12, 2007 by Aratta-Kingdom Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nairi Posted October 12, 2007 Report Share Posted October 12, 2007 I wonder where all those Turks who were shouting "We are all Armenians, we are all Hrant Dink" fled to. I missed them on April 24 as well. Did they know that Dink recognized the genocide? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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