Error 404 Posted October 17, 2007 Report Share Posted October 17, 2007 (edited) Support Wanes in House for Genocide Vote http://www.nytimes.com/2007/10/17/washingt...nd-cong.html?hp I see flip flop... P.S. I thought USA is the only super-power in this world. Bravo turkey, it can now dictate politics to US. Edited October 17, 2007 by Error 404 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yervant1 Posted October 17, 2007 Report Share Posted October 17, 2007 I have one word for them COWARDS!!!!!!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DominO123 Posted October 17, 2007 Report Share Posted October 17, 2007 I have one word for them COWARDS!!!!!!!! Great, isen't it? “I think there was genocide in Turkey, in 1915, but I am gravely concerned about the timing,” said Representative Jane Harman, a California Democrat who said she would l remain a co-sponsor of the resolution but at the moment would oppose it were it to reach the floor. “I see no compelling reason to do this right this minute.” NO, IF YOU OPPOSE IT, YOU THINK THERE WAS NOT GENOCIDE!!! IT IS NON BINDING, YOU SUPPORT, YOU AGREE WITH ITS CONTENT WHICH MEANS THERE WAS ONE, YOU OPPOSE YOU DISAGREE WITH ITS CONTENT, AS SIMPLE AS THAT. YOU OPPOSE YOU ARE A GENOCIDE DENIER. YOU CAN HAVE A FALSE SYMPATHY AND FIND ANY EXCUSES IN THE WORLD, YOU OPPOSE IT, YOU ARE A DENIER!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arpa Posted October 17, 2007 Report Share Posted October 17, 2007 I have one word for them COWARDS!!!!!!!! Oh rats! I mean dirty rats! My only disappointment will be... I was so anxiously waiting for those sonofabitches to invade Iraq. Well, who knows, they may still do, since that issue has very little to do with the Armenian question. It is directed towards a potential Kurdish state. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Error 404 Posted October 17, 2007 Report Share Posted October 17, 2007 I really hope for the full scale invasion from the turks to Iraq before the vote. That may change some flip flop's voices. But turks are not that stupid. Their diplomacy is the second in the world after british's. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aratta-Kingdom Posted October 17, 2007 Author Report Share Posted October 17, 2007 An influential member of the house, Rep. John Murtha of Pennsylvania- with strong ties to pentagon, will have a news conference on Wednesday to explain why he and his followers oppose to the genocide resolution. Earlier, Murtha made the following statement: "From my discussions with our military commanders and foreign policy experts, I believe that this resolution could harm our relations with Turkey and therefore our strategic interests in the region". When the 'elected representatives*' are more concerned about turkey's sensitivity Vs Americas moral values, when they spend more time pimping for turkey instead of listening to the ordinary americans, they break the back bone of america. No wonder the people have lost their faith on the government. America is great because of it's people. America is great because of it's values. When a military general from turkey stand on the american soil and threatens it's citizens,...MAN-WHO WOULD HAVE THOUGHT THIS DAY WOULD COME !?! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yervant1 Posted October 17, 2007 Report Share Posted October 17, 2007 Again as usual the AG is being used by US but this time turkey is using it to their advantage as well. turkey knows very well that US will not let anyone to derail their oil plan in Nothern Iraq. turkey will have some incursions into Iraq just like before and will not have a full scale attack. Both US and turkey got what they wanted, turkey got the resolution failure out of nothing knowing very well that they couldn't attack Iraq and the US got the blessing of turkey in Northern Iraq. We Armenians got the false promises as usual and the saga will go on. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Louise Posted October 17, 2007 Report Share Posted October 17, 2007 [the saga will go on. -----------------------------------------the saga will not go on indefinitely. Have you read the work of Vahakn Dadrian on "Documentation of the Armenian Genocide in TURKISH SOURCES ? and the bibliography, which is so interesting. Nobody can refute that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yervant1 Posted October 17, 2007 Report Share Posted October 17, 2007 [the saga will go on. -----------------------------------------the saga will not go on indefinitely. Have you read the work of Vahakn Dadrian on "Documentation of the Armenian Genocide in TURKISH SOURCES ? and the bibliography, which is so interesting. Nobody can refute that. Dear Louise, The issue here is not about refuting the truth but standing up for it. Almost all congress members who voted down the resolution in the committee accepted the fact that there was a Genocide but shamelessly voted against it. Therefore the saga will continue until the passage of the resolution and their interests coincide, it's about interests and not about facts. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crusader1492 Posted October 17, 2007 Report Share Posted October 17, 2007 Tomorrow the turkey's parliament will give the "license to kill" to Erdogan. What's next? My guess is turkey will not do anything until the Resolution 106 vote in the house then it will proceed accordingly. What is your guess? To be frank, I wouldn't be surprised if HR 106 unravels altogether. US politicians are too gutless to stand up to the Turkish blackmail and the the media that holds water for them. Regardless of that, this round of the Genocide recognition campain has proven successful. I think it has brocken the relationship between Turkey and the US and it has brought A LOT of attention to the Armenian Genocide as historical fact. From now on, the Turks will find it even harder to refute their sordid history...especially now that the USA won't "be there for them" anymore. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Louise Posted October 17, 2007 Report Share Posted October 17, 2007 Dear Louise, The issue here is not about refuting the truth but standing up for it. Almost all congress members who voted down the resolution in the committee accepted the fact that there was a Genocide but shamelessly voted against it. Therefore the saga will continue until the passage of the resolution and their interests coincide, it's about interests and not about facts. --------------------------- I am shocked Louise Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vava Posted October 17, 2007 Report Share Posted October 17, 2007 --------------------------- I am shocked Louise What is so shocking? Politically speaking the AG resolution is a powderkeg for US foreign policy. Especially with their recent spin tactics - ie. Voting for the resolution has "negative consequences" for the troops. No politician of any stripe is going to come out "against" the troops. I'm quite surprised that no one mentions that the "negative consequences" are not the result of the resolution, but actual the result of Turkish threats, blackmail, and disloyalty. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dianjan Posted October 17, 2007 Report Share Posted October 17, 2007 Here's an article about the press conference Bush gave today. Read about the genocide... Bush: Congress dragging feet President urges action on domestic issues, addresses Turkey, Dalai Lama MSNBC News Services Updated: 11:56 a.m. ET Oct 17, 2007 WASHINGTON - President Bush on Wednesday accused Congress of dragging its feet on key pieces of legislation, urging quick action on budget and children's health measures. He also urged the Democratic-controlled Congress to drop efforts to pass a House resolution labeling as genocide the World War I-era killing of up to 1.5 million Armenians in the final years of the Ottoman Empire. With all the pressing responsibilities facing the nation, "One thing Congress should not be doing is sorting out the historical record of the Ottoman Empire," he said. "Congress has little to show for all the time that has gone by" since Democrats gained control in January of both the House and the Senate, Bush said. At a White House news conference, the president also said that Congress needs to act on mortgage relief for homeowners hit by the housing crisis, trade deals that would strengthen allies, legislation expanding U.S. markets and aid to military veterans. Turkey urged not to launch offensive Bush also said that he opposes Turkey's desire to launch a military offensive against Kurdish rebels in Iraq. "We are making it very clear to Turkey that we don't think it is in their interest to send troops into Iraq," Bush said shortly before Turkey's parliament approved a cross-border military offensive against the Kurdish rebels in northern Iraq. "Actually they have troops already stationed in Iraq and they've had troops stationed there for quite a while," he said. "We don't think it's in their interest to send more troops in." Bush said he talked about Turkey with Ryan Crocker, U.S. ambassador to Iraq, and Gen. David Petraeus, the top U.S. commander in Iraq, on Wednesday. He also noted that Tariq al-Hashimi, one of Iraq's vice presidents, was in Istanbul expressing that Iraq shares Turkey's concerns about terrorist activities, but that there's a better way to deal with the issue than having Turkey send additional troops into the country. "What I'm telling you is that there's a lot of dialogue going on and that's positive," he said. Bush used the news conference — his first since Sept. 20 — to prod the Democratic-controlled Congress to approve spending, education and health bills. It came just a day before the House will try to override his veto of a bill expanding a popular children's health program. "It's unlikely that veto override will succeed," Bush said noting that Democratic leaders knew that "when they sent me the bill." 'I admire the Dalai Lama a lot' Bush also defended his decision to attend a ceremony in the Rotunda of the U.S. Capitol later Wednesday to award Congress' highest civilian honor to the Dalai Lama, the exiled spiritual head of Tibet's Buddhists. "One, I admire the Dalai Lama a lot; two, I support religious freedom, he support religious freedom," Bush said. The reception the Dalai Lama was getting in the United States infuriated the Chinese government, which reviles the Buddhist leader. The president's last full news conference — his 40th solo briefing — was Sept. 20 and was also in the Brady Press Briefing Room. © 2007 MSNBC Interactive URL: http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/21342269/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Louise Posted October 17, 2007 Report Share Posted October 17, 2007 What is so shocking? Politically speaking the AG resolution is a powderkeg for US foreign policy. Especially with their recent spin tactics - ie. Voting for the resolution has "negative consequences" for the troops. No politician of any stripe is going to come out "against" the troops. I'm quite surprised that no one mentions that the "negative consequences" are not the result of the resolution, but actual the result of Turkish threats, blackmail, and disloyalty. ----------------------- The turkish threats, and blackmail seem to me so ridiculous. I cannot believe them. They have more to loose than US Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arpa Posted October 17, 2007 Report Share Posted October 17, 2007 (edited) Here's an article about the press conference Bush gave today. Read about the genocide... Bush: Congress dragging feet President urges action on domestic issues, addresses Turkey, Dalai Lama MSNBC News Services Updated: 11:56 a.m. ET Oct 17, 2007 Bush used the news conference — his first since Sept. 20 — to prod the Democratic-controlled Congress to approve spending, education and health bills. It came just a day before the URL: http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/21342269/ Yeah! The genius politician, historian and geographer struck again. Or shall we say struck out again. Aside from the fact that as he spoke the turkish parliament overwhelmingly approved incursion into Iraq. He said, what ever he said about the AG and the HR, that as we speak the Iraqi VP is in Istanbul and that Turkey already has forces in Iraq. Doe he know that Istanbul is not where the turkish parliament and parlimentarians are? Immediately after the press conference a commentatotr came on refuting that there are turkish troops in Iraq, that turkey is not even a part of the colation forces, aside from the fact perodically they cross (illegally)the iraqi border. The genius strikes again!!! In a brighter note. Even today, just as for the past two weeks words like Armenian and Genocide are being repeated a thousand times a day on every media of the world from Kodiak to Korea. Somemday those savage turkeys in Ankara may learn the rel meaning of "shooting oneself in the foot", the harder they kick the deeper they place their feet in their mouths.. If we had to pay for all the coverage and publicity we are getting we would go bankrupt in a minute! Note that none of the newsmen or commentators are using such qualifiers as "alleged", "so called" etc. when referring to the Big G. Of course,in 1915 the video recorder was not yet invented, and neither there were CNN, NBC snfd BBC, et all these testimonials are being recorded and archived. Even that "great historian in the White House" does not refute that there was a "great tragedy", "massacre", "mass killings" but it is not t the "right time" to called by its real designation. Cowrads indeed! Next he will come out and say that "Americans don't succumb to terrorism and blackmail". He shoud go back to kindegarten, or Sunday School as it may be and learn the "inkilisch lankvij", and understand what "terrorism" and "blackmail" mean. And what do you, Mr. Erbokan have to say about it! Edited October 17, 2007 by Arpa Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gamavor Posted October 17, 2007 Report Share Posted October 17, 2007 Aside from the fact that as he spoke the turkish parliament overwhelmingly approved incursion into Iraq. That is really, really good news! Better than approval of the resolution in the Intergalactic congress! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vava Posted October 17, 2007 Report Share Posted October 17, 2007 Doe he know that Istanbul is not where the turkish parliament and parlimentarians are? ... AHAHAHAHA!!! I hadn't even picked up on this slip! Nice catch Arpa jan.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MosJan Posted October 17, 2007 Report Share Posted October 17, 2007 Bush blasts Congress on several fronts WASHINGTON (CNN) -- President Bush attacked Congress on Wednesday, ripping the new Democratic leadership for failing to achieve much in their first nine months of power. art.bush.pool.jpg President Bush speaks at a White House press conference on Wednesday. Bush used his opening statement to list areas where he said "Congress has work to do": health care; security; the budget; education; housing; trade; help for military veterans; law enforcement and the judiciary. He complained about progress on a number of bills before Congress, including children's health insurance, spending plans and internal surveillance legislation, saying Congress has wasted much of the past nine months. "Now the clock is winding down. In some key areas, Congress is just getting started," Bush said. "One of Congress' basic duties is to fund the day-to-day operations of the federal government. Yet Congress has not sent me a single appropriations bill," Bush said. Video Watch Bush scold Congress for inaction » Bush said congressional Democrats are wasting time with proposed legislation calling the actions of Ottoman Turks against Armenians during World War I "genocide." "With all these pressing responsibilities, one thing Congress should not be doing is sorting out the historical record of the Ottoman Empire," Bush said. "The resolution on the mass killings of Armenians beginning in 1915 is counterproductive. ... "Congress has more important work to do than antagonizing a democratic ally in the Muslim world, especially one that's providing vital support for our military every day," Bush said. U.S.-Turkey relations were strained further Wednesday as the Turkish parliament overwhelmingly approved military action against Kurdish separatists based in Iraq. Turkey has massed 60,000 troops along its border with Iraq. Bush said the U.S. is asking the Turkish government for restraint. "We are making it very clear to Turkey that we don't think it is in their interests to send troops into Iraq," he said while acknowledging that some Turkish troops have crossed the border. On the war on terror, Bush said it was important that Congress act on the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act so that progress can continue to be made against al Qaeda. "Al Qaeda's still dangerous. They're dangerous in Iraq. They're dangerous elsewhere. Al Qaeda's not going to go away any time," Bush said. "That's why it's important for us to be listening -- you know, finding out what their intentions are and what are their plans, so we can respond to them." Bush also addressed the issue of private security contractors in Iraq after an Iraqi probe found Blackwater guards randomly shot civilians without provocation in a Baghdad square last month. Seventeen people were killed, Iraqi officials say. The U.S. State Department and the FBI are conducting their own investigation into the September 16 killings, and a joint U.S.-Iraqi commission is reviewing the results of both probes. "A firm like Blackwater provides a valuable service. They protect people's lives. And I appreciate the sacrifice and the service that the Blackwater employees have made," Bush said. But, he said, "I will be anxious to see the analysis of their performance." On his veto this month of legislation that would increase spending for the State Children's Health Insurance Program by $35 billion over five years, Bush said he would support a bill that provided enough money to cover half a million children who aren't covered now. "I want to provide enough money to make sure those 500,000 do get covered. That ought to be the focus of our efforts," Bush said. Bush said raising the income eligibility threshold to $83,000 in the bill "is an attempt by some in Congress to expand the reach of the federal government in medicine." Bush has called for a $5 billion increase in the SCHIP program. Congressional Democrats are trying to gather enough votes to override a veto, with a vote expected Thursday. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gamavor Posted October 17, 2007 Report Share Posted October 17, 2007 Acctually since Mr. Bush will soon be jobless (like his pudel) in order to soften the Turkish government we can offer them to take him as president of Turkey. Sure, he will do a good job. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Takoush Posted October 17, 2007 Report Share Posted October 17, 2007 Acctually since Mr. Bush will soon be jobless (like his pudel) in order to soften the Turkish government we can offer them to take him as president of Turkey. Sure, he will do a good job. Yeah. What do you expect from a C student. How much better is he from Ahmadinjad? I wonder? Some of the Republicans like himself were against the Genocide Resolution. I understand a good many more Democrats were for it. If I am mistaken, someone perhaps could correct me on this. But this was my understanding. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anoushik Posted October 17, 2007 Report Share Posted October 17, 2007 I never really believed that the resolution would pass this year. But I never expected this much media coverage either. Regardless of what happens in the upcoming weeks, this past week was a historic week for us. The pop culture, the masses, got to know about the Armenian Genocide. Some will just watch the news and blindly agree with what the commentators have to say, others will go online and read more about the genocide. So, no matter what, the American public is a bit more educated today than it was last week. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vava Posted October 18, 2007 Report Share Posted October 18, 2007 So, no matter what, the American public is a bit more educated today than it was last week. I like your optimism. Unfortunately, in the long term misinformation on a large scale can have poor repercussions. How many times this week did we hear phrases like "Armenians say...", "Genocide allegations...", "Armenian lobby...", "Turkey, a key ally..." ? If the general public absorbs the tone of the media reports, and believes Bush when he says "It's a matter for historians..." then the denialist stance also get its platform. I wonder if in the years to come we will be able to truly evaluate whether the general impact was positive or negative. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Takoush Posted October 18, 2007 Report Share Posted October 18, 2007 Today I was talking to a few educators and scholars who happen to know the history of the Armenians and the Genocide, and they all agreed that it was loooooong overdue for congressional approval. But unfortunately when people that are at the receiving end of a grandose of negative news as well that aren't educated nor have any knowledge of history; then yes, it can also have a negative impact on them. Simply because they are unaware and don't care or do not give any time to really educate themselves by opening up history books. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DominO123 Posted October 18, 2007 Report Share Posted October 18, 2007 (edited) I like your optimism. Unfortunately, in the long term misinformation on a large scale can have poor repercussions. How many times this week did we hear phrases like "Armenians say...", "Genocide allegations...", "Armenian lobby...", "Turkey, a key ally..." ? If the general public absorbs the tone of the media reports, and believes Bush when he says "It's a matter for historians..." then the denialist stance also get its platform. I wonder if in the years to come we will be able to truly evaluate whether the general impact was positive or negative. I guess it is time for Armenians from the US to pack their bags and come to Canada. Edited October 18, 2007 by Domino Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nairi Posted October 18, 2007 Report Share Posted October 18, 2007 I guess it is time for Armenians from the US to pack their bags and come to Canada. Or to Armenia. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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