ED Posted January 20, 2007 Report Share Posted January 20, 2007 "I do not think this was an individual attack by a fanatical person who was unhappy with Hrant Dink's opinions. It cannot be that simple. There might be some people who could benefit from this terrible act. It is very clear that Turkish people and Turkey will be badly affected by this attack." if not you then you must of known and kept silant, in either case you're an guilty SOB. People, read his comments cerfuly in very plain speaking he admits this is the work of so-called "deep forces" and he is part of it Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yervant1 Posted January 20, 2007 Report Share Posted January 20, 2007 New developpements, there is sufficient evidence to think that it was indeed planned. http://www.ntvmsnbc.com/news/397591.asp The gun was never used before. If indeed this is planned, the suspect will not live too long. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DominO Posted January 20, 2007 Report Share Posted January 20, 2007 If indeed this is planned, the suspect will not live too long. Knowing he is 17 years old is hard to believe he did it alone. Not that it is impossible. A gun is expensive for a 17 years old, at least a gun destinated to be used only once. 'I shut an infidel' in that context is weird too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eurocentric Posted January 20, 2007 Report Share Posted January 20, 2007 Comparing that piece of shit Mutafian to Dink is blasphemous. Dink was not what I would consider a typical Armenian but he had balls and stood up for what he believed in. Mutafian is a rat! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eurocentric Posted January 20, 2007 Report Share Posted January 20, 2007 Knowing he is 17 years old is hard to believe he did it alone. Not that it is impossible. A gun is expensive for a 17 years old, at least a gun destinated to be used only once. 'I shut an infidel' in that context is weird too. I don't know, in the Eastern Black Sea region it should not be that hard to get a gun. If he was money to travel to Polis and back than he sure can buy a gun. The age of the suspect is kind of fishy though, there's no way that this is some lunatic with no ties to any particular group... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yervant1 Posted January 20, 2007 Report Share Posted January 20, 2007 I don't know, in the Eastern Black Sea region it should not be that hard to get a gun. If he was money to travel to Polis and back than he sure can buy a gun. The age of the suspect is kind of fishy though, there's no way that this is some lunatic with no ties to any particular group... Plus he kept the gun all along with him, without any change of clothes. Maybe advised to do it that way? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DominO Posted January 20, 2007 Report Share Posted January 20, 2007 Comparing that piece of shit Mutafian to Dink is blasphemous. Dink was not what I would consider a typical Armenian but he had balls and stood up for what he believed in. Mutafian is a rat! Rude, but I agree. I don't think killing Mutafian would have angered Armenians as much. Mutafian would kiss @ss as long as his saint holy/shit/ church was secured. Mutafian was the same sort of as those coward Armenians in 1915 who've undangered the life of thousands in 1915 while Dink was much like Krikor Zohrab, the analogy is striking. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DominO Posted January 21, 2007 Report Share Posted January 21, 2007 I don't know, in the Eastern Black Sea region it should not be that hard to get a gun. If he was money to travel to Polis and back than he sure can buy a gun. The age of the suspect is kind of fishy though, there's no way that this is some lunatic with no ties to any particular group... That makes it even more suspicious, the guy was catched just too much easily, he shut and then said he killed, the pictures from the cameras don't show any restraint, he didn't even tried to hide anything, not his face. So he didn't care so much to be catched. Why would someone buy a new gun to hide the evidences when he would take no disposition to prevent others to get him? And if indeed it is that easy to get a gun, he should have had a gun previously, why did he use a new one? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DominO Posted January 21, 2007 Report Share Posted January 21, 2007 Rude, but I agree. I don't think killing Mutafian would have angered Armenians as much. Mutafian would kiss @ss as long as his saint holy/shit/ church was secured. Mutafian was the same sort of as those coward Armenians in 1915 who've undangered the life of thousands in 1915 while Dink was much like Krikor Zohrab, the analogy is striking. Hopping that the cases is not handled the same way that the murder of Zohrab was. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aratta-Kingdom Posted January 21, 2007 Report Share Posted January 21, 2007 Freedom of speech threatened in Turkey Timeline of a year of attacks and trials against freedom of expression in Turkey http://www.cnn.com/2007/WORLD/europe/01/19...ch.timeline.ap/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aratta-Kingdom Posted January 21, 2007 Report Share Posted January 21, 2007 Comparing that piece of shit Mutafian to Dink is blasphemous. Dink was not what I would consider a typical Armenian but he had balls and stood up for what he believed in. Mutafian is a rat! Coming this from one who threatened me in private 'with a new genocide' and 'jewish power', I want to know who are the kind you 'would consider a typical armenian'? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aratta-Kingdom Posted January 21, 2007 Report Share Posted January 21, 2007 Comparing that piece of shit Mutafian to Dink is blasphemous. Dink was not what I would consider a typical Armenian but he had balls and stood up for what he believed in. Mutafian is a rat! 1. you compare Mutafian with Dink 2. you say 'Dink was not what i would consider a typical Armenian' 3. you say 'Mutafian is a rat!...'that piece of shit"Mutafian" '. If Dink is not your typical armenian, and if Mutafian is, are you calling Armenians rats' and 'piece of shit'? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DominO Posted January 21, 2007 Report Share Posted January 21, 2007 (edited) 1. you compare Mutafian with Dink 2. you say 'Dink was not what i would consider a typical Armenian' 3. you say 'Mutafian is a rat!...'that piece of shit"Mutafian" '. If Dink is not your typical armenian, and if Mutafian is, are you calling Armenians rats' and 'piece of shit'? Where he equals typical Armenian to Mutafian, but true many Armenians are like Mutafian. I can't believe you are defending that coward. Edited January 21, 2007 by QueBeceR Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Takoush Posted January 21, 2007 Report Share Posted January 21, 2007 (edited) If money was transfered, it would still strongly suggest it was organised. At this point is there no option requesting an independent investigation? It's a very good suggestion; but who will be doing it? RofA + the Diasporan Armenians along with the heads of the European Organizations and the UN? And not just the Turkish government alone. Edited January 21, 2007 by Anahid Takouhi Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Posted January 21, 2007 Report Share Posted January 21, 2007 Here's a video from someone who was in the scene when Hrant was removed from the place. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZTrd76y6sUM...ted&search= Search for other videos about the assassination here too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DominO Posted January 21, 2007 Report Share Posted January 21, 2007 The killer left hight school and was jobless. There is now an article about him on wikipedia which will be upgraded as the informations come in. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Og%C3%BCn_Samast Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eurocentric Posted January 21, 2007 Report Share Posted January 21, 2007 Coming this from one who threatened me in private 'with a new genocide' and 'jewish power', I want to know who are the kind you 'would consider a typical armenian'? All I have to say is: OBIJNIK Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eurocentric Posted January 21, 2007 Report Share Posted January 21, 2007 If Dink is not your typical armenian, and if Mutafian is, are you calling Armenians rats' and 'piece of shit'? Where did I say Mutafian is a typical Armenian? And yes, a good number of Armenians I know are rats and pieces of shit, replying to one now as a matter of fact... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nairi Posted January 21, 2007 Report Share Posted January 21, 2007 Rude, but I agree. I don't think killing Mutafian would have angered Armenians as much. Mutafian would kiss @ss as long as his saint holy/shit/ church was secured. Mutafian was the same sort of as those coward Armenians in 1915 who've undangered the life of thousands in 1915 while Dink was much like Krikor Zohrab, the analogy is striking. Interesting. Didn't Mutafian recently condemn the Turkish government for wanting to open Akhtamar on April 24? Also, don't you think you're being a little too harsh on him? He's only trying to survive in a country that would otherwise devour him alive. Either way, the point that I was trying to make was that I'm fairly sure you'd take all of your words back if Mutafian had been the one to be assassinated. All of a sudden he would become a hero, saint, martyr, and a victim of Turkish oppression. Let's at least try to be honest. Dink received his share of criticism and hatred from the Armenian diaspora when he was still alive. Just a month ago, people were calling him a Turkish ass kissing agent for criticizing the French diaspora into pushing for a certain law that would restrict what he called "freedom of speech" (in other words saying that it's okay to deny genocide). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
neko Posted January 21, 2007 Report Share Posted January 21, 2007 The love affair of the Turks and Anglo-Fagsons and their bizarre fascination for the Turkish phallus is nothing new. I once posted a couple of messages in a thread on their website and none was published. I was as PC as possible and didn't call their country the United Queerdom of the Greatest Turkish C*** Sucking Faggots of Brisatan. If we were to make a character profile of you, and compare it with one done for Dink's assassin, there would be little difference I think. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DominO Posted January 21, 2007 Report Share Posted January 21, 2007 (edited) Interesting. Didn't Mutafian recently condemn the Turkish government for wanting to open Akhtamar on April 24? Also, don't you think you're being a little too harsh on him? He's only trying to survive in a country that would otherwise devour him alive. Either way, the point that I was trying to make was that I'm fairly sure you'd take all of your words back if Mutafian had been the one to be assassinated. All of a sudden he would become a hero, saint, martyr, and a victim of Turkish oppression. Let's at least try to be honest. Dink received his share of criticism and hatred from the Armenian diaspora when he was still alive. Just a month ago, people were calling him a Turkish ass kissing agent for criticizing the French diaspora into pushing for a certain law that would restrict what he called "freedom of speech" (in other words saying that it's okay to deny genocide). I won't take my words back if he ever get assassinated, Mutafian condemnation is only directed at preserving his holy church. I also thought at the beginning that he was simply trying to survive, but he has gone way too far, you can read my comments here and elsewhere about my evolution about him, from 'the poor poor' to 'the sucker.' If he can't take the pressure he could have left the country. As for Dink, he started being loved before he was assassinated, who in his right mind in the Diaspora beside those religious zealouts ever found something intelligent comming from that man(Mutafian). Dink said many things against the Diaspora, but he was saying them because he was believing what he was saying, it was NOT cowardise, he stend by what he said. He was an intellectual, Mutafian is a man of the church, this alone is enough to differenciate them, one defend the church(and would rape and suck as long as his holy church is preserved), the other defended his thoughts. Edited January 21, 2007 by QueBeceR Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
neko Posted January 21, 2007 Report Share Posted January 21, 2007 Interesting. Didn't Mutafian recently condemn the Turkish government for wanting to open Akhtamar on April 24? Also, don't you think you're being a little too harsh on him? He's only trying to survive in a country that would otherwise devour him alive. Either way, the point that I was trying to make was that I'm fairly sure you'd take all of your words back if Mutafian had been the one to be assassinated. All of a sudden he would become a hero, saint, martyr, and a victim of Turkish oppression. Let's at least try to be honest. Dink received his share of criticism and hatred from the Armenian diaspora when he was still alive. Just a month ago, people were calling him a Turkish ass kissing agent for criticizing the French diaspora into pushing for a certain law that would restrict what he called "freedom of speech" (in other words saying that it's okay to deny genocide). I don't see your point? There is a big difference in giving Mutafyan the criticism he rightly deserves, and actually wanting him to be murdered. It is right of anyone to express their sorrow and regret over the death of Hrant Dink as long as those feelings are sincere, even if they were opposed to some of the things Dink said and did during his life. And for those that are not sincere, like that fascist Turkish lawyer, maybe they will be forced to learn the error of their ways and realise that public grandstanding and giving speeches encouraging the mob sometimes have consequences. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aratta-Kingdom Posted January 21, 2007 Report Share Posted January 21, 2007 Eurocentric Today, 05:59 PM Post #142 "QUOTE(ArmoArmeN @ Jan 20 2007, 07:47 PM) Coming this from one who threatened me in private 'with a new genocide' and 'jewish power', I want to know who are the kind you 'would consider a typical armenian'?" All I have to say is: OBIJNIK Just like what you said last time but didn't have guts to meet me in person and say it while looking in my eyes. Do you see which one of us is 'OBIJNIK' right now? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DominO Posted January 21, 2007 Report Share Posted January 21, 2007 (edited) Now, here is a sad possible scenario His father gave him away, it was planned, he is 17 years old, so a minor, so the sentence will be a joke. They pied his family, the little price to pay (he will practically not have any prison sentence, he is a minor) is nothing compared to the financial gains after he get out of this situation. This is why he did not care much of being catched. They gave him the gun, the gun was new because a used one could lead to those who planned it. He shut, and said he shut the Armenian, doing anything to direct the attention on him. It is very lucratif for his age, and given that he is a minor, he had no problem doing it and giving himself away, this was better than runing away for years and hidding. The investigation should continue, as possibly his father is a member of some group, the kid was only used because he was a minor. Edited January 21, 2007 by QueBeceR Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aratta-Kingdom Posted January 21, 2007 Report Share Posted January 21, 2007 Where did I say Mutafian is a typical Armenian? Isn't saying 'comparing that piece of shit Mutafian' to 'Dink...[who]was not what I would consider a typical Armenian' means you call Mutafian 'a typical Armenian'...and Dink someone who is not? "Andyes, a good number of Armenians I know are rats and pieces of shit, replying to one now as a matter of fact... :)and this comes from a rat who hides in a shit hole "QUOTE(Eurocentric @ Jan 20 2007, 03:50 PM) Comparing that piece of shit Mutafian to Dink is blasphemous. Dink was not what I would consider a typical Armenian but he had balls and stood up for what he believed in. Mutafian is a rat!" "QUOTE(ArmoArmeN) 1. you compare Mutafian with Dink 2. you say 'Dink was not what i would consider a typical Armenian' 3. you say 'Mutafian is a rat!...'that piece of shit"Mutafian" '. If Dink is not your typical armenian, and if Mutafian is, are you calling Armenians rats' and 'piece of shit'?" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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