yalpa Posted January 21, 2007 Report Share Posted January 21, 2007 Erdogan finally admitted that they are all responsible for his death. http://www.guardian.co.uk/worldlatest/stor...6361319,00.html Admission doesn't mean anything anymore. This time they need to act. They need to take measures. I really do not care for nice words or promises anymore. And my guess is that they will do nothing this time either. They will find no connections, no links and it will one more time be a fault of a fanatic. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Takoush Posted January 21, 2007 Report Share Posted January 21, 2007 WHO THE HELL CARES ABOUT "DEMOCRACY" IN TURKEY!!! Did we learn that word from GWB's "democracy in Baghdad"? May they all go HELLOCRACY! Let them f*rks worry about it. Has anyone noticed that "turk" is a four letter word and that it rhymes with that other four letter word? Our aim is that there be no Turkey, "democratic" or "f**kotratic". Who assigned us to teach them "democrcy". We are not even over the mission of teachng the world about "Chrsitianity". Oh you express yourself so intelligently!!!!!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Proud EXPAT Posted January 21, 2007 Report Share Posted January 21, 2007 has anyone ever asked it's self what is it takes to be an ARMENIAN PATRIARCH in Turkey ?? i don't; have much of respect for the man / at times it's so obvious that his just a poppet in the hands of turkish politicians - but please ask your self at what cost can you be a ARMENIAN PATRIARCH in ISTAMBUL ??? AT WHAT COST CAN YOU STILL BE A ARMENIAN Christan ? have over a dozen of churches in and close to istanbul ??? Garegin is a chicken shit and puppet living on his own soil with his people, naturally the Patriarch in Turkey would be a mute. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yervant1 Posted January 21, 2007 Report Share Posted January 21, 2007 Admission doesn't mean anything anymore. This time they need to act. They need to take measures. I really do not care for nice words or promises anymore. And my guess is that they will do nothing this time either. They will find no connections, no links and it will one more time be a fault of a fanatic. At the end it might even come to the conclusion that it is not the fault of the assailant but Hrant himself who asked for it, by calling the Turks blood being dirty which we all know that he did not say that. The killer is saying that he got angry over that and influenced by the anger of Turks on internet. There are lots of evidence that this was planned and the killer did not act alone. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Error 404 Posted January 21, 2007 Report Share Posted January 21, 2007 I think everyone already expressed their condolences and opinions on this issue. Now we are getting away from topic. Why don't we think and offer real solutions and actions to prevent this type of incidents for the future? I think it is time for us Armenians to be more united and push the Genocide recognition. Make it number one agenda everywhere. This will be a real punishment for those who hate and discriminate our countrymen in turkey. Something has to be done otherwise it will happen again. What happened after the azeri military officer killed armenian officer in Bulgaria couple of years ago? Please offer constructive solutions. Or if you don't know then follow to what ANCA does and encourages to do. Something has to be done so that next time a turk will be very affreaid of consequences before he raises his hand or aims his gun to armenians. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MosJan Posted January 21, 2007 Report Share Posted January 21, 2007 I had the same feelings when I read it before your post. Do you think (expect) that something positive will come out of this tragic loss of Hrant, specially in Turkey socially towards the Armenians or will it be forgotten after few weeks? it all depends what punishment will the SOB get for killing Hrant Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yervant1 Posted January 21, 2007 Report Share Posted January 21, 2007 New informations. http://www.google.ca/url?q=http://www.iht....grh_vhJWsiOKvA= Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yervant1 Posted January 21, 2007 Report Share Posted January 21, 2007 it all depends what punishment will the SOB get for killing Hrant I'm more curious if the people behind this will be punished, I have no doubt in my mind that this kid was manipulated. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harut Posted January 21, 2007 Report Share Posted January 21, 2007 expected... was bound to happen... sad... life is so predictable... what will come out? nairi hunanian style trial, eu whining, armenians falsely feeling so important, not long after that world will fall at its usual place... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yervant1 Posted January 21, 2007 Report Share Posted January 21, 2007 Look what Turkish Weekly is saying. http://www.turkishweekly.net/news.php?id=42194 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DominO123 Posted January 21, 2007 Report Share Posted January 21, 2007 Look what Turkish Weekly is saying. http://www.turkishweekly.net/news.php?id=42194 And from when anything comming from Sedat Laciner 'newspaper' is credible? Why would the CIA want to distabilise Turkey? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yervant1 Posted January 22, 2007 Report Share Posted January 22, 2007 (edited) And from when anything comming from Sedat Laciner 'newspaper' is credible? Why would the CIA want to distabilise Turkey? They will say and do anything to muddy the waters. He has to be credible (Not) because he got all his evidence from another credible (Not) person Halacaoglu (Hayvanoglu) the one that you respect (Not) very much. Edited January 22, 2007 by Yervant1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Armenak Posted January 22, 2007 Report Share Posted January 22, 2007 (edited) Since it's updated daily and not weekly, they should change the newspaper's name to Turkish Whenever-we-feel-like-spewing-out-bullsh*t-ly.. Edited January 22, 2007 by Armenak Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ED Posted January 22, 2007 Report Share Posted January 22, 2007 (edited) They will say and do anything to muddy the waters. He has to be credible (Not) because he got all his evidence from another credible (Not) person Halacaoglu (Hayvanoglu) the one that you respect (Not) very much. think about it, in what other newspaper the the story woulrd of been cradible? hmmmm perhaps NYT? washington post? le Monte, boston globe, pravda? JTW id choesen for exacly this perpose, for its uncradiblility and prisented to the world I dont se any newspaper or TV news would of had the guts reporting such a huge "THRU" story you just have to fallow the events and I'm 100% sure some day, and in likly event near future this shit would surfece and I/m bigining to suspect who is behind this. another question, why is Isreal so interested in Independent Kurdistan? who are does dog kurds? and why is Isreal so interested in it Edited January 22, 2007 by Edward Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aratta-Kingdom Posted January 22, 2007 Report Share Posted January 22, 2007 AB Haber, Belgium Jan 21 2007 Hrant Dink - Assassination condemned by Joseph Daul, Chairman of the EPP-ED Group in the European Parliament The Chairman of the EPP-ED Group in the European Parliament has condemned the assassination in Istanbul on Friday of Hrant Dink, a Turkish journalist of Armenian origin. For Joseph Daul this act of violence is completely unacceptable. "I strongly condemn and deplore every attack on freedom of expression and on freedom of the press, which are at the heart of the values of our society. On my own behalf and on behalf of the Members of the EPPE-ED Group, I present my sincere condolences to the family of the victim." The Chairman of the largest political group in the European Parliament has asked the Turkish legal authorities to quickly investigate this outrage. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hytga Posted January 22, 2007 Report Share Posted January 22, 2007 http://www.iht.com/articles/2007/01/21/news/suspect.php Hurriyet, another center-right paper, quoted his family saying that Ogun brought lots of cash from Istanbul after a trip more than a week ago. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aratta-Kingdom Posted January 22, 2007 Report Share Posted January 22, 2007 http://www.huntingtonnews.net/editor/070121-ed2.html HNN Huntingtonnews, WV Jan 21 2007 Editorial: Murder of Journalist in Turkey Draws International Condemnation At the risk of sounding politically incorrect, we have to remark that there seems to a recurring theme in many Muslim countries - and countries with a sizable Muslim minority -- that any criticism of the state - and by extension Islam -- should ultimately end in murdering the critic. We say this in sorrow at the shooting death in Istanbul on Friday, Jan. 19, 2007 of an outspoken Turkish-Armenian journalist who repeatedly clashed with Turkish authorities over recognition of the early 20th Century slaughter of Armenians. Amnesty International and many other governments and non-governmental organizations condemned the slaying of Hrant Dink. The genocide of Christian Armenians by Ottoman Muslims during World War I is an historical fact - even if one dismisses as myth a quote attributed to Adolf Hitler in 1939 to the effect that who now remembers the Armenian massacres, supposedly paving the way for the Holocaust of Europe's Jews. News reports said that Dink, who as editor of a Turkish-Armenian newspaper was the leading voice for his ethnic community, died a week after he wrote about threats from unknown forces who he said regarded him "an enemy of the Turks." Hundreds of people marched Friday evening from Istanbul's central Taksim Square to the offices of Dink's Agos weekly newspaper, near the spot on a sidewalk where he was shot in the head. They held candles and posters of him; a somber silence was interrupted periodically with applause and chants for "the brotherhood of peoples." Istanbul Gov. Muammer Guler said late Friday that three people were detained in connection with the shooting, but no additional details were released. The slaying is likely to further darken Turkey's reputation for repressing critics of the government or of the country's tight control on how its turbulent past is portrayed. The murder by Mohammed Bouyen of Theo van Gogh in the Netherlands on Nov. 2, 2004 and the violence following the publication of the Danish cartoons allegedly ridiculing Islam come to mind. Hrant Dink, 52, was part of a group of writers and thinkers, including Nobel Literature laureate Orhan Pamuk and novelist Elif Safak, who have been tried on charges of insulting their country's "Turkishness" under an ambiguous law promoted by hard-line nationalists, according to reports in the L.A. Times. Los Angeles is home to the nation's largest Armenian-American community, so the death of Dink resonates strongly in the region. While most of the defendants, including Pamuk, were cleared, Dink was convicted in 2005 for writing articles that criticized the law and explored questions of Turkish and Armenian identity. He was sentenced to a 6-month prison term, which was suspended, according to the Times account. The contrast to a free nation in the Middle East -- Israel, where a spirited and rambunctious press is free to write about every aspect of Israel and Judaism -- is outlined sharply. Turkey's entry into the European Union has been delayed because of the lack of respect for human rights and free speech in the overwhelmingly Muslim nation. Turkey has diplomatic relations with Israel, but so does Russia, where journalists are also an endangered species. If there is an optimistic note in this barbaric incident, it is in the condemnation by Turkish Prime Minister Recep Tayyip Erdogan of Dink's "traitorous" and "disgraceful" murder. "Bullets have been fired at free thought and our democratic life," Erdogan said at a news conference. He urged calm. Fine words, but they don't bring back a martyred journalist. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aratta-Kingdom Posted January 22, 2007 Report Share Posted January 22, 2007 Euronews.net, France Jan 21 2007 Hrant Dink murder suspect confesses The suspected killer of the Turkish-Armenian journalist Hrant Dink has confessed to the murder. Ogun Samast, 17 years of age, told police he had read on the Internet that Dink had said Turkish blood was dirty so had decided to kill him. He said he did not regret the killing. Samast was identified after his father informed authorities that the suspect shown on television was his son. The police investigation is continuing - six other people are also being held. Prime Minister Tayyip Recep Erdogan said he was pleased the suspect had been brought into police custody in such a short time. The killing has shocked people across the country. One man in Ankara said: "I feel happy the murderer has been captured as much as I feel sad at Hrant Dink's death". A member of Istanbul's small Turkish-Armenian community said: "Our pain is so great because Hrant meant something to us. We Turkish Armenians living here are really scared by the assassination and we don't know how this fear will go away." Flowers and candles now adorn the street in Istanbul where Dink, the editor of a Turkish-Armenian weekly, was gunned down on Friday. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aratta-Kingdom Posted January 22, 2007 Report Share Posted January 22, 2007 In protest of the Assassination of Hrant Dink Candle Light Vigil will be held at Dag Hammarskjold Plaza (East 47th Street and First Avenue, New York City) Tuesday, January 23rd - from 6pm to 8pm Buses to Leave From St. Vartanantz Church, Ridgefield, NJ at 4pm St. Thomas Church, Tenafly, NJ at 4pm Hovnanian School, New Milford, NJ at 4pm Armenian Hye Doun - Palisades Park, NJ at 4pm For further bus information please Call Pauline at 201-803-4640 Organized by Armenian National Committee of New York & New Jersey With the participation of Greater NY/NJ Armenian Organizations Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aratta-Kingdom Posted January 22, 2007 Report Share Posted January 22, 2007 Bloomberg Jan 21 2007 Turkish Police Arrest Suspect in the Murder of Journalist Dink By Ayla Jean Yackley EU Pressure The European Union, which Turkey aspires to join, has said the government must abolish laws curbing free speech to meet European standards on human rights. Several European leaders have also called on Turkey to recognize that the Armenian massacres by Ottoman Turks amounted to genocide. As many as 10,000 people marched to protest Dink's killing, and dozens of people continue to visit the scene of the murder, leaving flowers and portraits of the journalist. About 60,000 Turkish citizens of Armenian descent live in Istanbul, and an estimated 100,000 Armenian nationals reside in Turkey. The suspect's father, Ahmet Samast, alerted police to his son after recognizing him in a security camera picture that authorities distributed to news organizations, Milliyet said. Ogun Samast fled Istanbul on a bus after the slaying and was attempting to return to his hometown of Trabzon when he was apprehended in Samsun, the newspaper said. Samast told police he was given the gun and ordered to kill Dink by a friend who had been convicted for the 2004 bombing of a McDonald's Corp. restaurant in Trabzon that wounded six people, Milliyet said. Police have detained the friend, who served 11 months in prison for the bombing, as well as Ahmet Samast and the relatives with whom Samast stayed in Istanbul, Milliyet said. Trabzon was the site of the murder of Roman Catholic priest Andrea Santoro, an Italian, in February 2006. A 17-year-old male was sentenced to 18 years in prison for that shooting. Only about 100,000 Christians remain in Turkey, whose population of 70 million people is 99.9 percent Muslim. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aratta-Kingdom Posted January 22, 2007 Report Share Posted January 22, 2007 Kurdish Media, UK Jan 21 2007 CHAK condemns the assassination of the Armenian journalist Hrant Dink 1/21/2007 CHAK The Halabja Center against the Anfal campaign and genocide of the Kurds (CHAK) condemns the assassination of the Armenian journalist Hrant Dink. The assassination of Hrant Dink has silenced a different voice and a brave pen. Mr. Dink's death is a loss to humanity and has weakened the struggle to reveal truths from the past. This assassination is a result of Turkey's racist policy towards anyone questioning Turkishness and Turkey's unity. It is clearly a political assassination that shows the depth of hatred contained in Turkism. The Turkish government convicted Hrank Dink of insulting Turkish identity in 2005, which is proof of Turkey's intolerant policy toward freedom of speech and different thinking. Turkey's government was well aware about the threats Mr. Dink received daily, as he frequently informed the authorities. But they did nothing to prevent this crime. Thus Turkey carries a heavy responsibility for this murder. While we send our sympathy and condolence to the family and friends of martyr Hrank Dink, we appeal for further efforts to reveal the dark past in connection with the Armenian genocide and the mass killings of the Kurds committed by Turkey. Without confession of the past unforgotten crimes, real peace can not be achieved. The Halabja Center against the Anfal campaign and genocide of the Kurds (CHAK) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aratta-Kingdom Posted January 22, 2007 Report Share Posted January 22, 2007 ALEXANDER ISKANDARIAN: HRANT DINK WAS ASSASSINED BECAUSE HE WAS AN ARMENIAN YEREVAN, JANUARY 20, NOYAN TAPAN - ARMENIANS TODAY. Hrant Dink was assassined because he was an Armenian. Alexander Iskandarian, Director of Caucasian Media Institute, expressed this opinion at the Urbat Club on January 20. In his words, the image of Hrant Dink was the embodiment of Armenian-Turkish relations from the viewpoint of not so much relations between Armenia and Turkey as relations of Turks and Armenians. And his assassination is symbolic in this sense. According to Iskandarian, Dink was a very courageous man capable of swimming against the flow both in Armenian and Turkish environment. He had his own convictions and was ready to protect them, and even his death showed what kind of reality is now in Turkey. Iskanadarian noted that Dink knew that he would be killed sooner or later and he repeatedly said this in private talks. In Iskandarian's words, when he became acquainted with Dink in the mid 1990s in Istanbul, the latter had no passport and the opportunity to go from Turkey to some other country. Dink told him that he had never been abroad, but when the interlocutor asked him if he had been to Armenia, Dink got angry: he considered Malatia, Van, Erzrum, Kars (NT: these are Western Armenian cities currently in the territory of Turkey) as Armenia. A. Iskandarian said that Hrant Dink considered Turkey as his country, an Armenian land where his ancestors lived and where the crime against his nation was committed. "He struggled not against Turkey but for making this country a better place," A. Iskandarian stated. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aratta-Kingdom Posted January 22, 2007 Report Share Posted January 22, 2007 IN TURKOLOGIST'S OPINION, MURDER OF HRANT DINK RELATED TO ITENSIFIED POLITICAL STRUGGLE IN TURKEY YEREVAN, JANUARY 20, NOYAN TAPAN - ARMENIANS TODAY. Hrant Dink's murder is related to the intensified political struggle in Turkey. Ruben Safrastian, Director of the RA NAS Institute of Oriental Studies, Turkologist, expressed this opinion at the January 20 press conference. According to him, quite a complex political situation has formed in Turkey on the threshold of presidential elections. The current prime minister Recep Erdogan, who heads the pro-Islamic "Justice and Development Party" has a great opportunity to win these elections. He may replace the current president Ahmad Necdet Sezer, who is the last Kemalist in the highest echelons of the Turkish leadership. Hrant Dink's assassination was committed at the time when there are open talks about a military coup in Turkey. Safrastian noted that it can be assumed that this murder was specially prepared for this political moment in order to strain the home political situation even more, at the same time increasing the pressure on Turkey from European circles. R. Safrastian noted that a "deep state" or a state within the state exists in Turkey. This is a group of high-ranking state officials whose name are unknown but they make important state decisions and have the opportunities for their implementation. According to some press reports on the day of the murder, although those who committed it are probably representatives of the Grey Wolves nationalist organization, the decision was taken by this deep state which does everything possible to maintain the Kemalist state in the country. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arpa Posted January 22, 2007 Report Share Posted January 22, 2007 http://www.huntingtonnews.net/editor/070121-ed2.html HNN Huntingtonnews, WV Jan 21 2007 Editorial: Murder of Journalist in Turkey Draws International Condemnation At the risk of sounding politically incorrect, we have to remark that there seems to a recurring theme in many Muslim countries - and countries with a sizable Muslim minority -- that any criticism of the state - and by extension Islam -- should ultimately end in murdering the critic. ======= the condemnation by Turkish Prime Minister Recep Tayyip Erdogan of Dink's "traitorous" and "disgraceful" murder. "Bullets have been fired at free thought and our democratic life," Erdogan said at a news conference. He urged calm. Fine words, but they don't bring back a martyred journalist It is ironic that the above editorial may yet be one of the more forceful and direct, look what Sen. Byrd of the same state of WV did in 1990. From the NYT archives.. “Senate Again Blocks Armenian Resolution REUTERS Published: February 28, 1990 LEAD: The Senate voted today for the second time to block a resolution commemorating the mass death of Armenian civilians during World War I at the hands of the Ottoman Turks. The Senate voted today for the second time to block a resolution commemorating the mass death of Armenian civilians during World War I at the hands of the Ottoman Turks. The resolution, proposed by Senator Bob Dole, Republican of Kansas, the minority leader, has deeply offended the Turkish Government, which says its adoption would be an insult. Senator Dole, who has said his resolution is not directed at modern Turkey, mustered only 48 of the 60 votes needed to cut off a filibuster by Senator Robert C. Byrd, Democrat of West Virginia, and get the resolution formally before the Senate. Fifty-one senators voted against ending debate. A similar vote last week tied at 49-49. The resolution, which is opposed by the Bush Administration, would set April 24, 1990, as ''a national day of remembrance of the 75th anniversary of the Armenian genocide of 1915-1923.'' Senator Dole has threatened to bring up the resolution again and try to attach it to legislation before the Senate. Criticizing efforts to block it, he told the Senate, ''We're going to turn a deaf ear to the anguished cries of the survivors, their children and grandchildren.''“ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aratta-Kingdom Posted January 22, 2007 Report Share Posted January 22, 2007 ALI ERTEM: IT WAS A POLITICAL MURDER ArmRadio.am 20.01.2007 12:08 Hrant Dink's assassination was organized y Turkish authorities. This was how Turkish intellectual Ali Ertem assessed the fact of murder of the editor-in-chief of the Istanbul based Armenian Agos newspaper in an interview with Armenpress. `It was a political murder. Living in the Turkish state, Armenians have no security guarantees, said Ali Ertem. According to him, a country aspiring to join the European Union, cannot act that way. `Turkey should change its policy, the current way of action does not promote the process of EU accession. Turkey's chances to join the EU reduce after Hrant Dink's assassination,' Ali Ertem said. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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