The Bill On Punishment For Denying Armenian Genocide Is Adopted

[irlandahay]

Turkey Former Foreign Minister offered to deport 70 000 Armenians migrants

 

[ 09 Oct. 2006 17:50 ]

 

“Turkey should deport 70 000 Armenian migrants if the bill on punishment for denying Armenian genocide is adopted by France Parliament,” Yashar Yakish, Turkey former Foreign minister and chairman of the Parliament’s Adaptation Commission to the EU said, APA reports.

 

He said 70 000 Armenians work illegally in Armenia.

“They will have problems when Turkey government sends them back to Armenia. Armenians should realize its responsibility,” he said. /APA/

 

http://en.apa.az/news.php?id=15197

 

Can anybody tell me whats wrong with this article?

 

actually, heres wat i suggest. it may sound stupid but think about it.

 

this isnt necessarily a bad thing. if they send them back to armenia, there will be a little problem at first, but the more people, the more work done, the more work done, the more money made...benefits everyone!

im sorry, i may be young, but im completely against people leaving their native homeland, even tho im not there now, im moving there as soon as i have the money and am of age. i am also half irish, but ireland is free,rich and fine. armenia...needs work.

 

and, what if they threaten? it only makes them look stupid, just like "insulting turkishness" law...only makes them look stupid!

 

-cheers

[irlandahay]

And first Turkey and the turks massacred a great many eastern Europeans a while back and as of now the turks want to take over all of Europe.

 

Well well Gams; I'll say Europeans they darn very well deserve it and Europe and Turkey deserve each

other as well.

 

hey anahid

 

long time no...talk...how are you doing? hope everything is well

 

turks massacred europeens all right, in my class this year, i have an armenian, a bulgarian, and a romanian...plus me...the irishmen

 

everytime we hear turks, we all express our hatred.

 

for gods sakes, they are hated bya ll. wherever they go they manage to make enemies...they kill everyone, rape pillage...a civilisation of barbarians

 

actually...a civilisation of barbarians is quite a good oxymoron

nice work patrick

 

cheers

[Takoush]

Hello there IrlandaHay; I'm ok thanks. Thanks for missing me.

 

You know something, although the bloody turks massacred and did a Genocide on our nation; but Talaat was Jewish, so I have heard, and the then Germans were not only assisting Talaat, Gemal and the Ittihadists but they were showing them how to go about killing practically all our nation. And they had all the turkish people to do their dirty job for them.

 

And now I have to hear this freaken lowlife Zurderer to tell Gams that we should be grateful to the Jewish/Turk Ittihadists that killed all our nation except a few of us who survived by miracle that they did us a favor to throw us out of our 4,000 years old homeland. Our beautiful anscestors who lived a sheer and truly a saintly life, a good life, they were productive, inventive, imaginative, resourceful and worthy to bear the name of ultimately the civilized nation of the world. Yet this idiot Zurderer is telling Gams and us that we have to be greateful that they killed our nation in the worst nightmarish horrific unimaginatively torturous ways to our most saintly and civilised people of the world. Our people were all of that and more, much more. It breaks my heart beyond explanations that inhumans as such should have a say in the matter after they have taken our wonderful people's live's in the worst and unimaginabe ways.

 

It just makes my mind go numb when I think and feel the horrifickness of the situation of what happened to my people. It just breaks my heart beyond any words.

Edited October 12, 2006 by Anahid Takouhi

[Sassun]

It doesn't! The French were colonial force in Algeria who were spreading the fruits of the Western civilization (to which Turkey desperately wants to join)) to the aboriginal backward desert arab sheapards. The end result of this highly humane initiative on part of France is that Algeria right now is one of the most developed countries in the African continent!

I disagree, Gamavor. French occupation and colonization of Algeria was brutal, against the wishes of the indegenous population, who were disposessed by the French to make way for settler communities. It is pretty much the same thing happening now in Israel, though on a much smaller scale (in my opinion). The French, it seems, pretty much understood the language of violence much easier than the Israelis are doing.

[MosJan]

French National Assembly Adopts Bill on Armenian Genocide

12.10.2006 15:07 GMT+04:00 Print version Send to mail In Russian In Armenian

/PanARMENIAN.Net/ The French lower house of parliament, the National Assembly, approved a bill on Thursday making it a crime to deny that the Ottoman Turks committed Genocide against Armenians during World War One. A total of 106 deputies voted in favor of the bill while 19 voted against, France Info radio reports. The amendment of former minister Patrick Devedjian, authorizing the debate of the historians on the history of the Genocide, was rejected by the deputies. The bill has still to be ratified by the upper house, the Senate, and the President Jacques Chirac before it becomes law.

 

The bill provides for one year of imprisonment and a fine of 45 thousand Euros for denying the Armenian Genocide in Ottoman Turkey during World War I.

[MosJan]

French National Assembly Adopts Bill on Armenian Genocide

12.10.2006 15:07 GMT+04:00 Print version Send to mail In Russian In Armenian

/PanARMENIAN.Net/ The French lower house of parliament, the National Assembly, approved a bill on Thursday making it a crime to deny that the Ottoman Turks committed Genocide against Armenians during World War One. A total of 106 deputies voted in favor of the bill while 19 voted against, France Info radio reports. The amendment of former minister Patrick Devedjian, authorizing the debate of the historians on the history of the Genocide, was rejected by the deputies. The bill has still to be ratified by the upper house, the Senate, and the President Jacques Chirac before it becomes law.

 

The bill provides for one year of imprisonment and a fine of 45 thousand Euros for denying the Armenian Genocide in Ottoman Turkey during World War I.

[MosJan]

EU Regrets on French Parliament Adopting Armenian Genocide Bill

12.10.2006 17:44 GMT+04:00 Print version Send to mail In Russian In Armenian

/PanARMENIAN.Net/ The EU regretted on the French Parliament adopting in the first reading the bill on the Armenian Genocide in Ottoman Turkey in 1915, stated European Commission official representative Christina Nad. In her words, the law “will hamper reconciliation dialogue” between Turkey and Armenia over the issue. Besides, it will be a serious problem when deciding the matter of Turkey’s preparation to EU accession, as Ankara refuses to recognize the fact of the Armenian Genocide, reports ITAR-TASS.

[MosJan]

Baku Proposed «Strict Steps» against France

12.10.2006 17:05 GMT+04:00 Print version Send to mail In Russian In Armenian

/PanARMENIAN.Net/ Zahid Oruj, an Azeri MP representing Ana Vatan government leaning party, proposed to expel France from co-chairing the OSCE MG for Nagorno Karabakh settlement. He motivated his proposal by repeated French Parliament's consideration of the anti-Turkish legislation on criminalizing denial of the Armenian Genocide. «We should take strict steps against France, as there are no guarantees that the Senate will not adopt similar hostile measures against Azerbaijan. We should adjust our actions with Turkey and pass decisions right up to expelling France from OSCE MG co-chairing,» Oruj said, reports Interfax.

[MosJan]

Turkish MFA Criticizes French Parliament

12.10.2006 17:36 GMT+04:00 Print version Send to mail In Russian In Armenian

/PanARMENIAN.Net/ Ignoring Turkish protests, the French lower house of parliament approved a bill on Thursday making it a crime to deny Armenians suffered a Genocide in 1915 at the hands of the Ottoman Turks. The Turkish Foreign Ministry said the vote would hurt ties between the two NATO allies and analysts warned that it would complicate Turkey's efforts to secure European Union membership. "French-Turkish relations, which have developed over centuries ... have been dealt a blow today as a result of the irresponsible false claims of French politicians who do not see the political consequences of their actions," the Turkish foreign ministry said in a statement, reports Reuters.

[MosJan]

Turkey Says French Bill on Armenian Genocide “Great Injustice”

11.10.2006 16:15 GMT+04:00 Print version Send to mail In Russian In Armenian

/PanARMENIAN.Net/ The adoption of the bill penalizing the Armenian Genocide denial in France is a “great injustice” toward Turkey, Turkish Ambassador to Azerbaijan Turan Morali told reporters October 11. He remarked that France’s move aroused anxiety in Turkey. “The step taken by the French government is very primitive. The adoption of the bill by a country like France arouses regret,” Morali said. The diplomat considers that the recognition of the Armenian Genocide by France will hamper Turkey’s accession to the EU.

 

Morali also remarked that the Turkish government welcomes the Azeri parliament’s stand on the issue. “Yesterday we spoke to the chairman of the state committee on the affairs of Azeris living abroad,” he said and thanked the Azerbaijani government for support, reports Trend news agency.

[MosJan]

French Lower House Approves Armenian Genocide Bill

 

Reuters

 

Ignoring Turkish protests, the French lower house of parliament approved a bill on Thursday making it a crime to deny Armenians suffered genocide in 1915 at the hands of the Ottoman Turks.

 

The bill still needs to be ratified by both the upper house Senate and the French president to become law, but Turkey has already warned that Thursday's vote would damage ties between the two NATO allies.

 

The French government told parliament on Thursday that it did not support the motion, but the ruling Union for a Popular Movement (UMP) has given its lawmakers a free hand in the vote which means it is likely to pass later in the morning.

 

"To deny the Armenian genocide is to help perpetuate it," UMP deputy Philippe Pomezec said during the debate. "I firmly believe that the Armenia question deserves the same judicial treatment as the (holocaust). Does a genocide committed in the World War One have less value than a genocide committed in World War Two. Obviously not."

 

The proposed legislation establishes a one-year prison term and 45,000 euro ($56,570) fine for anyone denying the genocide -- exactly the same sanctions as those imposed for denying the Nazi genocide of Jews.

 

Ankara strongly rejects accusations that some 1.5 million Armenians perished in a systematic genocide in 1915, saying large numbers of both Christian Armenians and Muslim Turks died in a partisan conflict raging at that time. "If this bill is passed, Turkey will not lose anything but France will lose Turkey," Turkish Foreign Minister Abdullah Gul said on Wednesday.

 

France is believed to be home to the largest Armenian immigrant community in western Europe, with up to half a million people of Armenian descent living there. They make up a powerful political lobby which cannot be overlooked just seven months ahead of a presidential election. However, some Turks think French politicians have a broader agenda and are using the bill to try to block Ankara's EU bid.

 

The majority of French people are opposed to Turkey joining the 25-nation bloc and fears over its potential membership was given as one of the reasons why France voted last year to reject the EU constitution. Both outgoing President Chirac and Socialist presidential frontrunner Segolene Royal say Turkey must acknowledge the genocide before joining the EU, while conservative frontrunner Nicolas Sarkozy is opposed to its EU entry under any conditions.

[MosJan]

‘FRENCH BILL IS IDIOCY’

 

Agos Editor-in-Chief Hrant Dink Said to Reuters

In an interview with the Reuters, Hrant Dink, editor-in-chief of Agos newspaper again labeled the French bill penalizing denial of the Armenian Genocide "idiocy". "You are citizens and your state uses this (genocide issue) as a trump for the other party. The other party is trying to make an attempt out of this and judge other people. This is what I call idiocy. We are not obliged to be a pawn for these irrational behaviors of the states toward one another. In order to object to this kind of diplomatic nonsense, I will go to France, oppose that law and commit the crime set by that law if necessary. I want this irrational mentality to compete against one another to put me in prison," Dink was quotes as saying by Turkish Zaman daily.

 

By Hakob Chakrian

[gurgen]

It doesn't! The French were colonial force in Algeria who were spreading the fruits of the Western civilization (to which Turkey desperately wants to join)) to the aboriginal backward desert arab sheapards. The end result of this highly humane initiative on part of France is that Algeria right now is one of the most developed countries in the African continent!

 

Very true gamavor, in fact if the French wanted to destroy the Algerian population then I'd be very surprised if there were any Algerians left today.

 

I don't know who asked but there is a difference between genocide and massacre, the wrong part of the genocide definition was put in bold. The key word is 'intent'.

[MosJan]

Well it as happened even though it's still has long ways to go before it becomes a law in France it's a good start

 

 

 

now what is Armenia going to do w/ 70K+ Armenian that are going to be "returned" to Armenia HAyreniq Sirt@T bats

[Arpa]

We all seem to be eloquently gifted in the art of speech, but do we know how to listen?

Sassun;

I disagree, Gamavor. French occupation and colonization of Algeria was brutal, against the wishes of the indigenous population, who were dispossessed by the French to make way for settler communities. It is pretty much the same thing happening now in Israel, though on a much smaller scale (in my opinion). The French, it seems, pretty much understood the language of violence much easier than the Israelis are doing.

If we would only stop and listen for a moment we would see what really is being said. And, this is not the first time. That “ugly bird” has said it every minute, day after day.

OK, now let us listen and see if it is not an admittance, albeit without an apology and a threat of repeating. What that ugly bird has been saying of late is; “ ‘Physician heal thyself’. Yes we have committed a genocide, and we will do it again, but how is that different from what the French have done in Algeria, the British did in India and other places, the Spanish did in Central and South America (Inca and Aztec), the Yankee did in North America (Native Americans)… and so on. If the so called civilized West can do it and ‘get away with murder‘, so can we. Not only that. Yes, we did it, and we will do it again?”

If we cannot capitalize on the above, then we better SHUT UP and once a again extend our necks to be cut off.

Can we, for one SHUT UP, “wlk slowly and carry a big gun”,stop reacting to provocations from the likes of that turkey-zurd , LISTEN and turn the tables on them so to speak?

Zurd;

Indeed. But you should be grateful to Turks too. If there were not Turks, You would be still live in poorness and stone age at eastern anatolia. but now you are living most advanced countries of world.(France, Usa.)

No need to thanks.We dont deserve it like french.

Hey turkey droppings zurd/zird**, or whatever the ana sikmish/sikishmish your name is. Before you talk about stones and stone age you should reread your own non-existent history/sixty. Before your camel driving and horse manure eating ancestors arrived at our doorsteps, throwing our highly sophisticated, thriving culture back to the “stone ages”, before reducing our joint Byzantine and Armenian culture to “stones”, we have had a world class culture with our own, alphabet, science, literature, architecture, arts and language. Speaking of which. What kind of language and alphabet do your ilk have? What kind of architecture do you your ilk have, aside from that Greek Haja Sophia, which BTW was designed and rebuilt by the Armenian Sinan.? When did your ilk build the likes of Aghtamar, and decorated it with Armenian script? When did your ilk write philosophical treatises and butted heads with the likes of Plato, Aristotle and Homer, read about David the Invincible aka David Anhaght…. and many others. We have had a uniquely Armenian script and language for over 1600 years. Where is your script and language?

In other words. Take your turkey kaka some place else, to the fez headed, shalvar assed brothers of yours . It is your ilk that will believe that kind of kaka, as you are accustomed. We have had that kind of kaka up to here! Now it is your turn to drown in that turkey droppings.

** I have, in the past alluded that in our language, yes language, you should be so fortunate to have one, that zurd/zird ( an onomatopoeic/bnadzayn word, listen to its sound) means bird/turkey kaka.

Edited October 12, 2006 by Arpa

[gmd]

Well it as happened even though it's still has long ways to go before it becomes a law in France it's a good start

now what is Armenia going to do w/ 70K+ Armenian that are going to be "returned" to Armenia HAyreniq Sirt@T bats

 

Is that number accurate or is turkey threatening to deport all Armenians including those who are Turkish citizens?

[Takoush]

All true Arpa and Gamavor jans. But there is one more thing I have to clear with Zurderer zirderer...and here it is.

 

You think that if the two+ millions of Armenians weren't killed from 1895 through l923 our the then Armenian Highlands would have been the same as your dried up stone age Anatolia???? Then Zurderer you are not at all smart and your mind is blocked with mud. Our nation of more than three+ million in the Armenian Highlands not only would have multiplied ten folds; but our rivers would have run through our forests and the gardens and the crops in a much more industrialised and forward ways. By now we would have built huge industrialised cities, buildings, and mostly Armenia would have been so much richer, and we would have flourished beyond explanations; that your backward murderous turkey couldn't and weren't able to do in ninety plus years.

 

Because you people only do know how to take and claim lands that do not belong to you by murdering innocent people, by torturing them then 90 years later after committing a great and the first Genocide of the 19th century do not have the decency to accept their wrongdoings and vast murders. You'll never and couldn't ever equal our highly intellectual, highly industrious, highly scientific brains. We are workers and you are takers.

 

Get all this through your hard head. Our Armenia, yes as you call it, today's Anatolia would have been unrecognizable if ARMENIANS WEREN'T KILLED BY YOUR PEOPLE AND IF ARMENIANS WERE LEFT ALONE IN THEIR FOUR THOUSAND YEAR OLD ARMENIAN HIGHLANDS.

 

Don't go telling us what we know of our people. If we were left alone, our Armenian Highlands would have been one of the best European countries by now and perhaps even better.

 

The only stone age creators were you people the turks.

Edited October 12, 2006 by Anahid Takouhi

[Error 404]

I do not care if France did that for other purposes or not. But the new law is fair and justified.

 

I can imagine Turkey's reaction:) It is in HYSTERIA!!!

 

Altough the mainstream media is kinda complaining about the new law too. It is probably putting the law about denying the holocaust in shadow.

 

Again VIVA LA FRANCE !!!

[zurderer]

Do you even know the historical context of the 1945 events in Algeria? That many were massacred is undeniable, but that it was a genocide, namely, with the intent to destroy a national, ethnic, racial or religious group is utterly unbased.

 

You can same for ittihatist too. Infact They were not racist people. They tought to protect Turkey, They should dismiss others. Their aim was not to kill, but to protect their country.

 

So Ittihatist killed for land, I dont know If this is better or worse than killing for money.(What france did.) Aim was not armenians but land, armenians were hindarence.

 

By the way, since you defined "genocide" for us, why don't you tell us on what bases you are claiming that there was no Armenian Genocide (I prefer the word Holocaust).

 

I dont claim that there was not armenian genocide.I just dont think accepting armenian genocide is beneficial for us.

 

The above is one more proof that Turks are helpless case!

 

Algerians should be forever grateful to the French. If there were not the French Algeria would still be in the stone age.

 

It is interesting that you are so stupid, you did not understand I just used your words, and It is sad, You have no idea about meaning of sarcasm. Infact It looks like you commented about yourself realy fine. You are helpless.

 

Next time think about what are you saying.

 

And now this bastard imbecile turkish giotferen is telling me that I have to be grateful to the turks that I live in America???

 

Of now should I care for your personal problems? It is you who say an algerian who lost his father should be greateful to france. So It is sad, you have no capacity to understand what you are saying.

 

 

I don't know who asked but there is a difference between genocide and massacre, the wrong part of the genocide definition was put in bold. The key word is 'intent'.

 

intent of young turks was not to kill armenians but to protect their land. Infact at first, They had pro-minority ideas, but with balkan wars, This ideas changed to nationalist one. So racist young turk was not a reality.

 

So their intent was to take armenian lands, france intent is to take algerian moneys. Intent is realy a vague word. You cannot say young turk aim was to kill armenians(like nazi germany.) They did not actively followed armenians, and They did not kill and exile all armenians.(some armenians were spared.)

 

Your intent?

 

Your ability to reason allows you to understand that Genocide is something bad when somebody else says it, but you personally doesn't understand, because you don't understand the wrong doing!

 

I think you are more racist than young Turks. Anyway, It looks like It is you who dont care about innocent life algerian lost, and It is you who cannot see wrong doings. It is interesting you have to much common thing with racist Turks.

turks massacred europeens all right, in my class this year, i have an armenian, a bulgarian, and a romanian...plus me...the irishmen

 

everytime we hear turks, we all express our hatred.

 

are you a sufist?

 

Very true gamavor, in fact if the French wanted to destroy the Algerian population then I'd be very surprised if there were any Algerians left today.

 

But you wont become very supprised because there is some armenians left at istanbul.

 

 

I have, in the past alluded that in our language, yes language, you should be so fortunate to have one, that zurd/zird ( an onomatopoeic/bnadzayn word, listen to its sound) means bird/turkey kaka.

Happy to see you again angry child. Infact what you said is almost true.(Almost.)

 

It is true, we did it.(intent is not much important) and It is true, a new genocide is possible too.

 

But It is also true, armenians have hate capacity as much(even more) as us. You can do genocide too, but you had no power, and lets hope you wont have power.

 

It is also true, Our way will meet at future too.(Maybe 100 year later maybe 1000.), so why should I help armenians? because my ancestors were murderers, I wont let my children to be murdered.

 

It is interesting what you armenians only show is hate(also you are proud of that hate.), and you talk about humanity.

 

Sorry but I dont think we will eat that dolma.

 

By the way, It is interesting when you are accusing turks with becoming deniers, now you becomed deniers.

 

If I had power to stop genocide, I will do it, but for you(haters, deniers), I will not even move my finger.(Except at forums.)

 

 

did you like your medicine child?

Don't go telling us what we know of our people. If we were left alone, our Armenian Highlands would have been one of the best European countries by now and perhaps even better.

 

"If" is realy a big word for history. It was not Turks who won wars, It is armenians who lost war. If there were not Turks, you will lost an other war.(again araps, persians, russian,greeks etc.)

 

Turks is not reason for your bad situation. It was your nation(and their inability to cope with other people) which reasoned this.

Edited October 12, 2006 by zurderer

[zurderer]

Infact you are calculating wrong, dont you read newspapers. Now EU is talking like Turkey. History should be discussed by historians not politicians.

 

Weird, the ones who want Turkey in EU will help Turkey to bury armenian genocide. This time it is armenains who shot their foot.

[vava]

It's not law yet - it still has to pass other votes before being fully adopted.

[vava]

Notice that the BBC is still using quotations around the word Genocide.

 

Source: BBC news

 

Turkey condemns 'genocide' vote

 

 

Turkish protests in Ankara

 

Turkey has condemned a French parliamentary vote which would make it a crime to deny that Armenians suffered "genocide" at the hands of the Turks.

 

Turkey called it a "serious blow" to relations and has threatened sanctions. The vote was also criticised by the EU.

 

The bill, tabled by the opposition but opposed by the French government, needs approval from the Senate and president.

 

Armenia says Ottoman Turks killed 1.5 million people systematically in 1915 - a claim strongly denied by Turkey.

 

There are accusations in Turkey that the Armenian diaspora and opponents of Turkey's European Union membership bid are using the issue to stop it joining the 25-member bloc.

 

'Unfounded'

 

Turkey has been warning France for weeks not to pass the bill which was sponsored by the opposition Socialist party.

 

It provides for a year in jail and a 45,000-euro (£30,000) fine - the same punishment that is imposed for denying the Nazi Holocaust.

 

"Turkish-French relations, which have been meticulously developed over the centuries, took a severe blow today through the irresponsible initiatives of some short-sighted French politicians, based on unfounded allegations," the Turkish foreign ministry said.

 

The BBC's Sarah Rainsford in Istanbul says many Turks are angry at what they see as double standards in the EU, where opinions are sharply divided about whether Turkey should be allowed to join.

 

The European Commission has said that if the bill becomes law it will "prohibit dialogue which is necessary for reconciliation" between Turkey and Armenia.

 

The official Turkish position states that many Christian Armenians and Muslim Turks died in fighting during World War I - but that there was no genocide.

 

But public debate on the issue has been stifled in Turkey.

 

The French vote came as controversial Turkish writer Orhan Pamuk won the 2006 Nobel Prize in Literature.

 

He has faced prosecution in Turkey for talking about the murder of hundreds of thousands of Armenians during World War I and thousands of Kurds in subsequent years.

 

The charges have since been dropped.

 

Celebration and concern

 

The French governing Union for a Popular Movement (UMP) did not back the bill, but gave its deputies a free vote.

 

It passed by 106 votes to 19, after most deputies left the chamber in protest against what critics say is an attempt to attract votes of the some 500,000 people of Armenian descent in presidential elections next year.

 

Ethnic Armenians in Paris celebrated the result.

 

"The memory of the victims is finally totally respected," said Alexis Govciyan.

 

But French Prime Minister Dominique de Villepin distanced himself from the bill.

 

It is "not a good thing to legislate on issues of history and of memory," he said.

[zurderer]

It's not law yet - it still has to pass other votes before being fully adopted.

 

Indeed, and most probably It will never become a law.(Infact If It becomes laws, It would be better. Just think what will happen If france jail some Turkish citizens for this.)

 

But this voting, made Armenian genocide problem as another politic problem. When It comes to politics, a lot country will choose Turkey over Armenia.

 

EU will also choose Turkey.Infact EU is a double-edged sword, It may help armenians, or It may help Turkey.(With comdemning laws about Armenian Genocide.)

 

Notice that the BBC is still using quotations around the word Genocide.

indeed. But BBC also say this.

 

The French governing Union for a Popular Movement (UMP) did not back the bill, but gave its deputies a free vote.

 

It passed by 106 votes to 19, after most deputies left the chamber in protest against what critics say is an attempt to attract votes of the some 500,000 people of Armenian descent in presidential elections next year.

 

It also says, Armenian genocide law passed because of armenian minority, not because of genocide itself.(So It is a france inner political issue, not a moral problem.)

 

Lets hope, France will jail some people because of this law(If It realy happens.) I am sure both some armenians and turks like this.

[Sassun]

I don't know who asked but there is a difference between genocide and massacre, the wrong part of the genocide definition was put in bold. The key word is 'intent'.

I was the one who asked, and yes I know what the difference is. I was only waiting for Zurderer to tell us the difference.

[zurderer]

I was the one who asked, and yes I know what the difference is. I was only waiting for Zurderer to tell us the difference.

 

Infact I believe genocide is a big massacre. This intent thing is absolute bullshit. If Intent is only important point, There was only one genocide.(Jewish one) they are killed because they are jews. It was not important where there live, how much loyalty they have against state, ext.

 

It is not same for armenians, sorry again you are shoting your foot. So maybe I should began to think refuse armenian genocide.

 

As I said before, Intent is a vague world.You cannot see intent of anyone.