Arpa Posted September 15, 2006 Report Share Posted September 15, 2006 (edited) http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/ap/world/4189292.html Sept. 15, 2006, 8:12AM Turkish lawmaker compares pope to Hitler By SUZAN FRASER Associated Press Writer © 2006 The Associated Press ANKARA, Turkey — Turkey's ruling Islamic-rooted party joined a wave of criticism of Pope Benedict XVI on Friday, accusing him of trying to revive the spirit of the Crusades with remarks he made about the Muslim faith. A Turkish lawmaker said the pontiff would go down in history "in the same category as leaders such as Hitler and Mussolini" for his words. Muslim leaders elsewhere in the world also expressed dismay, with Pakistan's parliament unanimously condemning the pope. The Vatican said the pope did not intend the remarks _ made in Germany on Tuesday during an address at a university _ to be offensive. Benedict quoted from a book recounting a conversation between 14th century Byzantine Christian Emperor Manuel Paleologos II and a Persian scholar on the truths of Christianity and Islam. "The emperor comes to speak about the issue of jihad, holy war," the pope said. "He said, I quote, 'Show me just what Mohammed brought that was new, and there you will find things only evil and inhuman, such as his command to spread by the sword the faith he preached.'" Benedict did not explicitly agree with the statement nor repudiate it. The comments raised tensions ahead of his planned visit to Turkey in November _ his first pilgrimage to a Muslim country. Salih Kapusuz, a deputy leader of Turkish Prime Minister Recep Tayyip Erdogan's party, said Benedict's remarks were either "the result of pitiful ignorance" about Islam and its prophet, or a deliberate distortion. "He has a dark mentality that comes from the darkness of the Middle Ages. He is a poor thing that has not benefited from the spirit of reform in the Christian world," Kapusuz was quoted as saying by the state-owned Anatolia news agency. "It looks like an effort to revive the mentality of the Crusades." "Benedict, the author of such unfortunate and insolent remarks, is going down in history for his words," he said. "He is going down in history in the same category as leaders such as (Adolf) Hitler and (Benito) Mussolini." Turkey's staunchly secular opposition party also demanded that Benedict apologize to Muslims before his visit to Turkey. "The pope has thrown gasoline onto the fire ... in a world where the risk of a clash between religions is high," said Haluk Koc, deputy head of the Republican People's Party, as a small group of protesters left a black wreath in front of the Vatican's embassy in Ankara. On Thursday, Turkey's top Islamic cleric, Ali Bardakoglu, asked Benedict to apologize for the remarks and unleashed a string of accusations against Christianity. In Beirut, Lebanon's most senior Shiite Muslim cleric denounced the remarks Friday and demanded the pope personally apologize for insulting Islam. "We do not accept the apology through Vatican channels ... and ask him (Benedict) to offer a personal apology _ not through his officials _ to Muslims for this false reading (of Islam)," Grand Ayatollah Mohammed Hussein Fadlallah told worshippers in his Friday prayers sermon. After Benedict returned to Italy on Thursday, Vatican spokesman the Rev. Federico Lombardi said, "It certainly wasn't the intention of the pope to carry out a deep examination of jihad (holy war) and on Muslim thought on it, much less to offend the sensibility of Muslim believers." Lombardi insisted the pope respects Islam. Benedict wants to "cultivate an attitude of respect and dialogue toward the other religions and cultures, obviously also toward Islam," he said. In a significant development Friday, the pope appointed Archbishop Dominique Mamberti, a French prelate with experience in the Muslim world, as the Vatican's new foreign minister. But anger still swept across the Muslim world, with Pakistan's parliament unanimously adopting a resolution condemning the pope for making what it called "derogatory" comments about Islam, and seeking an apology from him. "Anyone who describes Islam as a religion as intolerant encourages violence," Foreign Ministry spokeswoman Tasnim Aslam said. "What he has done is that he has quoted very offensive remarks by some emperor hundreds of years ago," she added. "It is not helpful (because) we have been trying to bridge the gap, calling for dialogue and understanding between religions." Aslam said Muslims had a long history of tolerance, adding that when the Catholic kingdom of Spain expelled its Jewish population in 1492 they were welcomed by Muslim nations such as the Turkish Ottoman Empire. Indonesia, which has more Muslims than any other in the world, had no immediate response to the pope's comments, but religious groups were quick to protest, condemning the words as insensitive and damaging. "A respected religious leader like the pope should not say such things, especially as nations across the globe are struggling to find ways to bridge differences between faiths and build understanding," said Ma'ruf Amin, a member of Indonesia Council of Clerics, the country's highest Islamic body. "Such words hurt Muslims all over the world," he said. The head of Britain's largest Muslim body said it was disturbed by the pope's use of a 14th century passage. The Muslim Council, which represents 400 groups in Britain, said the emperor's views were "ill-informed and frankly bigoted." "One would expect a religious leader such as the pope to act and speak with responsibility and repudiate the Byzantine emperor's views in the interests of truth and harmonious relations between the followers of Islam and Catholicism," said Muhammad Abdul Bari, the council's secretary-general. Elsewhere, Syria's grand mufti, the country's top Sunni Muslim religious authority, sent a letter to the Pope saying he feared the comments would worsen interfaith relations. In Cairo, Egypt, about 100 demonstrators gathered in an anti-Vatican protest outside the al-Azhar mosque, chanting "Oh Crusaders, oh cowards! Down with the pope!" Benedict, who has made the fight against growing secularism in Western society a theme of his pontificate, is expected to visit Turkey in late November. He was invited by the staunchly secularist Turkish President Ahmet Necdet Sezer, who said the invitation was part of an effort to strengthen dialogue between religions. ___ Associated Press writers Benjamin Harvey in Istanbul, Zeina Karam in Beirut, Lebanon, Maggie Michael in Cairo Edited September 15, 2006 by Arpa Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arpa Posted September 15, 2006 Author Report Share Posted September 15, 2006 (edited) And, the entire Muslim world, including Turkey is up in arms. Is it not time they revise their call to jihad/shitad!! That is, before they invade Europe waving their “sword” against the “cross”. About time someone told them where to place their “sword”. "The emperor comes to speak about the issue of jihad, holy war," the pope said. "He said, I quote, 'Show me just what Mohammed brought that was new, and there you will find things only evil and inhuman, such as his command to spread by the sword the faith he preached.'" Yeah, yeah! Don’t go my me. Me, moron. Me not no not’n. Mi stil biliv in Santa Klos and Tuth Ferry. You’re gonna convince me that these people are for peace and love with the emblem of sword on their national flag? Which other nation has the instrument of war and murder on their flag? Is it not time they replace the sword with oil derricks? http://www.usefulwork.com/shark/archives/001285.html How about we place the symbol of Uranium on OUR flag!! And, still the likes of Sevak write essays like Tri Dem rich, The Pen v the Sword. http://hyeforum.com/index.php?showtopic=7471&hl=grich Was Sevak wrong? Should he have written “Grchi dem Tur”? Edited September 15, 2006 by Arpa Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yervant1 Posted September 15, 2006 Report Share Posted September 15, 2006 Man these people don't need much and hell breaks loose. May be lack of confidence in their religion? Or the rest of the religions have become too passive? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aubépine Posted September 16, 2006 Report Share Posted September 16, 2006 http://www.maniacmuslim.com/images/angry.jpg Angry Muslim: "Islam is a religion of Peace" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arpa Posted September 16, 2006 Author Report Share Posted September 16, 2006 (edited) Yeah! Yeah! We hear them telling us how compassionate, tolerant, peacefully loving a religion Islam is. Let us take another look at the emblem of Islam, the flag of Saudi Arabia, the home and birthplace of Islam and see how a sword is a symbol of peace, love, compassion and tolerance it is. Or is it me, once again deficient in the English language? Like I have said so many times before; I also believe in Santa Claus and the Tooth Fairy. Man these people don't need much and hell breaks loose. May be lack of confidence in their religion? Or the rest of the religions have become too passive? Speaking of “confidence” and security, how thin can one’s skin be that will be ruffled at the slightest archaic provocation? To mention the thickness of one’s skin, confidence and security. How thick is our skin? How thick is our skin? They and their brothers in religion have been calling us infidels, kafirs/gavurs, gentiles and goyim all this time. How have we reacted? Have we burned the efiigy of that Mohmammed or whatever the hell he may be in the Hraparak? On another note; Why is it that we Armenians get our feathers so ruffled even at the mention of Christianity and Apostolism? Is it because after 1700+ years we are not quite secure in our choice of faith to replace and obscure our ethnicity? How smug and secure are we? Now that we are not Catholic, Orthodox, Protestant, Buddhist, Moslem, Shinto, Voodoo… what are we? If this Pope, succumbing to pressure, stoops so low as to apologize and kiss the feet of Ayatollah, just as his predecessor did kissing the feet of Moshe, Mea Culpa, Mea Culpa, then it is time to find another symbol of Christianity and a commander in chief. How's the Arian Race!!! Edited September 16, 2006 by Arpa Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sip Posted September 16, 2006 Report Share Posted September 16, 2006 Time to burn down some muslim neighborhoods and riot. How dare they diss a Christian icon Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arpa Posted September 17, 2006 Author Report Share Posted September 17, 2006 What a poop this pope is. Benedict? He should change his name to Ben-Ahmed. With a “commander in chief” and fearless leader of Christendom, the likes of him who needs a pope with a name like Mehmet Turkoghlu? Also see how the Turks are reacting. His impending visit to Turkland (WHY?)is being debated. WHAT A NAZI COWARD!!! Is his Nazi, the Ottoman ally past revisiting on him? “deeply sorry”, like as sorry as the Armenians, victims of the murderous Turko-Muslims? http://today.reuters.co.uk/news/articlenew...toryID=2006-09- 17T103810Z_01_L16121346_RTRUKOC_0_UK-POPE-ISLAM.xml By Stephen Brown VATICAN CITY (Reuters) - Pope Benedict said on Sunday he was "deeply sorry" at the anger caused by his remarks on Islam and said a quote he used from a mediaeval text about holy wars did not reflect his personal thoughts. The Pope had been under pressure to issue a personal apology after his speech last week in Germany sparked fury in the Muslim world. The Vatican issued a statement on Saturday saying he regretted the impact of his comments.  "I am deeply sorry for the reactions in some countries to a few passages of my address at the University of Regensburg, which were considered offensive to the sensibility of Muslims," he told pilgrims at his Castelgandolfo summer residence. "These in fact were a quotation from a mediaeval text, which do not in any way express my personal thought. I hope this serves to appease hearts and to clarify the true meaning of my address, which in its totality was and is an invitation to frank and sincere dialogue, with mutual respect," he said. The comments, part of his regular Sunday Angelus blessing, came at his first public appearance since making the comments on Tuesday. Italian media said security at Castelgandolfo had been tightened. It was not immediately clear if the apology would go far enough for Muslim countries and religious groups who remained angry at what they said portrayed Islam as a religion tainted with violence. The Vatican said on Saturday the Pope was sorry Muslims had been offended and that his comments had been misconstrued. In Iran, theological schools closed on Sunday in protest at the Pope and Etemad-e Melli newspaper said senior clerics demanded an immediate apology. The English-language Tehran Times called his remarks "code words for the start of a new crusade". Continued... < Previous 1 | 2 | 3 Next > © Reuters 2006. All Rights Reserved. | Learn more about Reuters Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aSoldier Posted September 18, 2006 Report Share Posted September 18, 2006 Pope ridiculed them of not being a "religion of peace". So what do they do? Bomb churches and kill a nun. Ironic. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arpa Posted September 18, 2006 Author Report Share Posted September 18, 2006 (edited) Whoever said truth is painless? OUCH! On another note. Why does this kissass poop of a Pope intend to visit Turkey? Is it to renew and reesatablish the murderous Kaiser-Ottoman "friendship"? Edited September 18, 2006 by Arpa Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anoushik Posted September 18, 2006 Report Share Posted September 18, 2006 I don't think he's a poop of a pope He never apologized! He's sticking by his words. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zartonk Posted September 18, 2006 Report Share Posted September 18, 2006 He "apologized" for "causing any offense whatsoever", and the Muslims (surprise, suprise) were not satisfied: They want him to go a step further. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gamavor Posted September 19, 2006 Report Share Posted September 19, 2006 I find the latest verbal squeamish between the Pope and the Moslems very entertaining. Hope the Jews will jump in too to make the picture complete. If the German Pope continues to read the history books he may as well discover the hot water. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aSoldier Posted September 19, 2006 Report Share Posted September 19, 2006 on a different note. http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=397500503034113739 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gamavor Posted September 19, 2006 Report Share Posted September 19, 2006 Propaganda has many faces just like the documentary above. What was the purpose of such documentary? The irrationality of Islamic extremists and fundamentalists? Their religious fanatism and absolutely uncalled hatred for Jews? Is that what objective journalism should be? Ask this same journalist to make a documentary about the Zionist extremists in Lickud party and see what his reaction would be. How about documentary about Sabra and Shatila and the 3000 dead Palestinians? Ask him to make a documentary about the British secret service operatives after WWI in the Middle East. The Arab rebellions against the Ottomans, the Jewish mistreatment of Brits in Jerusalem in the early 1940's. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arpa Posted September 24, 2006 Author Report Share Posted September 24, 2006 (edited) Whoever said truth is painless? OUCH! On another note. Why does this kissass poop of a Pope intend to visit Turkey? Is it to renew and reesatablish the murderous Kaiser-Ottoman "friendship"? Of course. This Pope does not speak English as a native language. He speaks Achtung-ian! If he were an English speaker he would have said; "If it walks like a duck, quacks like a duck, then it is a duck". And those "ducken-jihadist ducks" have once again proven his holiness right. Any culture that cannot take constructive or destructive criticism and improve on it has no right to be called a "culture". After all, we have since learned that the Earth is not flat, like the deserts of Arabia. Edited September 24, 2006 by Arpa Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arpa Posted November 28, 2006 Author Report Share Posted November 28, 2006 (edited) As we speak the world media overflows with pictures of this (gobble-gobble turkey)- “poop”, this born again Nazi brother of other Nazis , the kinds of Ataturk is bending over backward to kiss turk-asses. Speaking of “luck of the Irish”, has anyone heard of the “luck of Mehmet”? Almost exactly five years ago when Pope John Paul II visited Armenia for the commemoration of 1700th anniversary of Armenian Christianity, Sept. 11, 2001 to be exact, the world barely saw five second bites of the event. The media was totally hijacked by Mehmet’s cowardly soul brothers flying their hi-tech weapons onto the World Trade Center. Let that poor excuse for Christianity, that kissass “poop” stoop lower, place wreaths at Mustapha’s rotten grave. But please, please don’t wake me up when Mehmet conquers Rome and renames the St. Peter’s Basilica the St. Suleyman Mosque. Romans and Germans are blood bothers and are made of the same garbage as the Turkomans. According to news reports, a Papal visit has never been so surrounded by security guards, that, according to some reports even the Mossad is participating, and that the Pope may be wearing a bullet proof vest. Yeah. Yeah. Admit Turkey into the EU and watch your Christian symbols and monuments join the fate of Christian Armenian monuments. Does this poop of a Pope know history? Does he know that were it not for his ilk, the Catholic Byzantians' machiavelliian intrigues against the Armenian Apostolics there would be no land known as Turkey today? Edited November 28, 2006 by Arpa Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kakachik77 Posted November 28, 2006 Report Share Posted November 28, 2006 I don't get it...why would this stupid pope visit a muslim country out of all muslim countries where the christian population has been erased to nothing today...perhaps he should also thank them for those killings. I know this is sort of a PR stunt, but it is extremely disrespectful to people like Armenians, thankfully we are NOT the reactionary types to start burning down everything that relates to Vatican or Catholicism. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arpa Posted November 28, 2006 Author Report Share Posted November 28, 2006 That sunshanordi, also known as the Nazi/Ottoman poop/Pope. I don't get it...why would this stupid pope visit a muslim country out of all muslim countries where the christian population has been erased to nothing today...perhaps he should also thank them for those killings. I know this is sort of a PR stunt, but it is extremely disrespectful to people like Armenians, thankfully we are NOT the reactionary types to start burning down everything that relates to Vatican or Catholicism. Yeah, right! "burn down". Do we have enough petrol? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ED Posted November 28, 2006 Report Share Posted November 28, 2006 This is sort of "on you face" additute by this Pope!; I dont know what to make of it. Statment he made back in september and now visit to Turkey. Oh we love Islam and want to be friends, sounds like Bush? This has similar aprouch and fingerprints all over it as most neo-cons express, only with slight defarance! (guess whats that!) but both aiming and generalizing Islam as evil religion, just like Bush and stupid comments I dont see how we Armenians in perticular would be beneficial from such actions, be it Vatican, US, French or EU forighn policy. with almost all news chanals covering Pope's visit, none, none of them so far remotly mantioned the word Armenia or Genocide, and its very important for the Vatican especialy to know, Genocide had very little if nothing to do with religion. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Error 404 Posted November 28, 2006 Report Share Posted November 28, 2006 Pope was for the Armenian Genocide recognition before. Now he tells that turkey's membership for EU is the right thing. Yeah turkey where they vandalize Armenian Churches, cemeteries and other cultural and historical places. As for mentioning Armenian Church and Armenian Genocide. Edo is right. I was listening to the news on radio. All they talk is about Greek Orthodox church which has 3000 members. How about the Armenian Church and it's issues and it's much larger community? Well, Benedict is an old man maybe he forgot... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arpa Posted November 28, 2006 Author Report Share Posted November 28, 2006 (edited) Pope was for the Armenian Genocide recognition before. Now he tells that turkey's membership for EU is the right thing. Yeah turkey where they vandalize == Well, Benedict is an old man maybe he forgot... You may not have seen this item in AZG, where it says the German media has begged of the poop to "Please, please not to mention the word 'Armenian' or even less the 'G' word". What a cowardly piece of "poop"! AZG Armenian Daily #227, 28/11/2006 "ԽՆԴՐԵՄ՝ ՈՉ ՄԻ ԲԱՌ ՀԱՅԵՐԻ ՄԱՍԻՆ" Գերմանական մամուլը, հեռուստատեսությունն ու ռադիոն վերջին օրերին անդրադառնում են Հռոմի պապի՝ Բենեդիկտոս 16-ի՝ նոյեմբերի 28-ին Թուրքիա կատարելիք այցին։ "Խնդրեմ՝ ոչ մի բառ հայերի մասին", այս վերնագրով հոդված է տպագրել գերմանական "Die Welt"-ը նոյեմբերի 25-ի համարում։Հոդվածում Բենեդիկտոս 16-րդի Թուրքիա կատարելիք այցից սպասելիքները մեծ են։ Արդարեւ.Հենց հայկական կողմից պապին խնդրելու են առաջին ցեղասպանությունը թեմա չդարձնել, իրազեկում է Փաուլ Բադդեն իր հրապարակման մեջ ու շարունակում. Ստամբուլի հայ եպիսկոպոսը, ում ազգն ու եկեղեցին առաջին համաշխարհային պատերազմի ժամանակ Թուրքիայում առաջին ցեղասպանության կրողը դարձավ, Հռոմից հեռուստատեսային մի լրագրողի խնդրել է այդ թեմայի մասին որեւէ բառով չհիշատակել եւ պապին էլ նմանապես խնդրել իր այցի ընթացքում նույնն անել։ "Հայերի մասին՝ ոչ մի բառ։ Ցեղասպանության մասին՝ ոչինչ", գրում է "Die Welt"-ը։ Ան. Հ. ,Գերմանիա © Copyright AZG Edited November 28, 2006 by Arpa Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aubépine Posted November 28, 2006 Report Share Posted November 28, 2006 No wonder he is not wanted here. Just look at him! I'll make sure to shut my windows tonight. http://members.aol.com/rawrsaysi/santapope.jpg Boris Karloff meets Santa. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Error 404 Posted November 28, 2006 Report Share Posted November 28, 2006 What's his name Mutafyan? Then he is the initiator of the tabu. &^%$^in traitor!!! Or in Stalin's words "Vrag Naroda" azgi tshnami yev davatshan hayvan!!! I won't be surprized if I hear that one day he bcame a muslim and preaching other armenians to do so. Well religion doesn't really matter on this case. What really matters is that he does this crap to his own nation using his power. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arpa Posted November 28, 2006 Author Report Share Posted November 28, 2006 (edited) What's his name Mutafyan? Then he is the initiator of the tabu. &^%$^in traitor!!! Have you not heard of the phrase "loyal subject"? Meaning "kissass". Is that a variation of the Turkish word for pirest- "keshish"? Yeah! Can anyone tell my why that turkoghlu-mutaphoghlu still looks like a satanic pagan priest with his mile long beard when both the Pope and the Imam of all Turks are both clean shaven? Shall we buy him a package of disposables razors? Edited November 28, 2006 by Arpa Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ED Posted November 28, 2006 Report Share Posted November 28, 2006 When Raffi Hovanisian made a blunt comment in Kostantinapol way back in 1992 or 3 wile as a foreign Minister of ROA, glorifying the very same building distinguished guests were having a dinner for the fact one of the very magnificent structures was designed by an Armenian, and yet no one knew about it!! He was ousted by LTP and next move by LPT was to attend Ozals funeral when Ozal, the very same pig made threatening comments just months before his death "we should bomb Armenian a little, scare Armenians" And now we cry all over is to why the world is silent? How long and how much "history" does one Nation needs to wake up? Wile I see everyone is crying AG AG AG...etc...No one actually is paying an attention to what LPT did and what Raffi said. This is just one example, patriarch of Polis is another, qefchi bout from NY to Mediterranean with rich Armenians is another (costs 25k for each passenger! 400 people) 14million collected on Thanksgiving? Oh forgot to mention next to turkey there was, that other Armenian delicacy BASTERMA! I don’t know but, have you noticed how many positive excuses one can bring for enjoying a Turkish made tsitsak and equally many pessimistic excuses for NOT baying the same Armenian product MADE in Armenia. Which in fact is very great? Wow, I’m speechless; at list we broke last year’s record, what a shame really! And we have no one to blame but ourselves.. First, lets clean up out kitchen, then sit down and start a fresh page, understand one another, present a power, significance, invest in our economy, Culture, buy some commercial time on CNN and around the networks, show to the world, what we have and NOT what we had, only then, and I hope its very soon, only then we can sit as equals and push our demands on the BIG Table ourselves, and only we can make a deference, not pope, not France (doesn’t matter how many laws they pass) not US.....NOONE Its shaken time and it’s about time we wake up Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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