Turkish Lawmaker Compares Pope To Hitler

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This pope when he was newly reelected was so favorable to me. First he was a supporter of Armenian Genocide then he was against the turkey's membership in EU and then maybe because he was a German.

 

But now.

 

Before he said "it will be a big mistake to accept turkeys membership in EU.."

Now "Turkey has to be a member of EU''

 

Before condemned Islam

Now praises it.

 

Before was openly talking about Armenian Genocide

Now didn't even mention it in his trip.

 

Chants brotherhood when in Turkey, shakes turkish flag in the air (under which millions of innocent people were butchered), kisses asses of people who are openly condemning him.

 

As a pope he can't be wrong he can't do wrong staff. He suppose to be a godlike. But look what is he doing? What is wrong with him?

 

It reminds me an old street word in armenian: Vori Papi !

 

(I appologize)

[Arpa]

Վախկոտ Լակոտ

 

Meaning Pu*sy Pup.

Edited December 1, 2006 by Arpa

[Yervant1]

I don't have much hope unfortunately. People like me are a drop in the ocean maybe even less than that. I haven't come across anyone in Turkey who thinks even remotely like I do. I'm still hesitant to send out feelers to my friends and colleagues about the Armenians not to mention the Genocide. Who knows maybe they exist out there, but I don't count the bleeding heart liberals and other insincere folk who have ulterior motives. I'm not a proselytiser or am about out to preach to ordinary Turks. For me it's moral issue first and foremost. Some people just don't get it. They can't grasp that it's downright criminal and repulsive to send a whole nation to the desert to be butchered. You should see the pathetic excuses they give. And I don't mean the fanatics, but the depoliticised common folk. As if massacre and expulsion is something perfectly acceptable. Placing oneself in someone else's shoes is a concept that is completely alien here. Even that wouldn't work on them. Maybe that's the dividing line what makes a human, human.

Dear Aubepine, I'm sure there are more of you out there but like yourself are hesitant to send their feelers for obvious reasons that I truly understand.

People like you who have high morals will choose friends alike who will defend truth over propaganda. Maybe they are also hesitant to discuss the issue for the same reasons that you are avoiding it.

In my opinion once the subject is freely discussed people will come forward and call a spade a spade and afterward will feel free that this burden is finnally done with and their conscience is clear.

I might be an optimist but I still believe in humanity of all peoples.

[zurderer]

Placing oneself in someone else's shoes is a concept that is completely alien here. Even that wouldn't work on them. Maybe that's the dividing line what makes a human, human.

 

Infact Young turks saw armenians as unhuman. What they are doing is not much different than yours.

 

Most people have no knowledge about armenian genocide, they did not search it. so like standart people, They believe what they heard most. They let others think instead of them. This does not make them unhuman.

 

Also I should add, they have a lot other problems. Like headscarf problem, kurdish(Infact Turkish nationalism) problem, their family, poorness ext. Calling them unhuman do make you more human?

 

Also I should add, noone care turkish sufference, so you can call all people as unhuman.

 

I might be an optimist but I still believe in humanity of all peoples.

 

All people have humanity, and should be treated as human. Politics dont change this, except fasist politic.

[Yervant1]

All people have humanity, and should be treated as human. Politics dont change this, except fasist politic.

Is there an echo in here?

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Infact Young turks saw armenians as unhuman. What they are doing is not much different than yours.

 

Most people have no knowledge about armenian genocide, they did not search it. so like standart people, They believe what they heard most. They let others think instead of them. This does not make them unhuman.

 

 

Are you saying they are incapable of thinking for them self’s? Have some kind of a deformity, medical problem?

 

if yes then these are not the ordinary, standard humans we are talking about, I can only conclude by saying in the absence of an any medical problems they are quit capble of thinking for them self, or above statement of yours makes no séance.

[Takoush]

Infact Young turks saw armenians as unhuman. What they are doing is not much different than yours.

 

You say a lot of crap! What the ars name you're talking about???? Your nationality don't know the difference between a human and an inhuman if it jumps on their face.

 

More than a million and a half of people were annihilated and through the years no one is supposed to talk about it in your backward undemocratic controlling country for almost a century and you're gabbing about humanity????

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All people have humanity, and should be treated as human. Politics dont change this, except fasist politic.

 

Zurderer I consider turks as Untermenschen (subhumans in german). Tribes originally from Altai and Mongolia became the owners of our historical land. Their history is full of blood that they have spilled. And now they pretending to be westernized and civilized, but they are refusing to recognizes the crimes they commited in the past. US partially admited it's crimes against native americans in the past and against black population. Germans admited their crimes during WWII. Now 99% of turks and I mean the population and the government are fiercely denying the Armenian Genocide. How can I consider them as humans and civilized people? If they had a chance they will commit the same crime over and over just to get rid of us. Remember turkey's plan to open the second front during the WWII when Stalingrad was going to fall.

 

No sorry man as long as turks deny the genocide they can't be considered as humans by me.

[zurderer]

It is interesting I met an objection about humanity of turkish people.

 

Are you saying they are incapable of thinking for them self’s? Have some kind of a deformity, medical problem?

 

Yes my friend, like armenians, Turks dont think about armenian issue much too. They accept what goverment/diaspora say them.

 

if yes then these are not the ordinary, standard humans we are talking about, I can only conclude by saying in the absence of an any medical problems they are quit capble of thinking for them self, or above statement of yours makes no séance.

 

They are capable of thinking, but They dont think armenian genocide much. They have other problems.

 

You say a lot of crap! What the ars name you're talking about???? Your nationality don't know the difference between a human and an inhuman if it jumps on their face.

 

Yeah my nation have only criminal ogres. No human.

 

No sorry man as long as turks deny the genocide they can't be considered as humans by me.

 

That is your problem not us. If you are fasist, you should help yourself.

[Takoush]

Yeah my nation have only criminal ogres. No human.

 

Yes, it was very unfortunate for my beutiful and my civilised nation of the world; but history proved itself to the truth and the reality of this statement time and time again.

 

You cannot rewrite nor remake history with your attempts of empty justifications.

 

(From Zurderer)

That is your problem not us. If you are fasist, you should help yourself.

My friend said {No sorry man as long as turks deny the genocide they can't be considered humans by me}. And just the above was your quote.

 

Who is the fascist here? Heh??????

 

Your nationality who committed the first heinous GENOCIDE of the twentieth century and doesn't want to admit their carnal acts for almost 100 years is not fascist, and you are calling unrealistically to my friend that???????

 

You go put your head in the mud for your unrealistic, unhuministic and gibberish talks.

Edited December 2, 2006 by Anahid Takouhi

[irlandahay]

Are you saying they are incapable of thinking for them self’s? Have some kind of a deformity, medical problem?

 

if yes then these are not the ordinary, standard humans we are talking about, I can only conclude by saying in the absence of an any medical problems they are quit capble of thinking for them self, or above statement of yours makes no séance.

 

 

 

as much as i hate to admit it, i agree with zerderer. the origins of the problem of a people or a whole, is always the government. the people firmly and strongly believe this only because they have been poisonned by the government, their children have been poisonned by the government, and their childrens children...and so on.

theiv had 90 years to clean up...theyr good at it now.

 

also, the information is not available to them. a good example: watch videos of north korean millitary parades, note the false snese of happyness in the civilians faces. they proudly hoist the red flag and cheer their demi-god kim jong il. they have civilians dying in the streets but they praise the false gods of communism. they cheer this stupid and monstrous system that gets rich at their expense.

 

another good one: remember a while back there was this guy on the forum..i think its iran forever or something like that, he would never miss a chance to praise iran and how free and equal it is, and how every minority is respected and how everyone abides by the law. the guy doesnt know anybetter.

 

the government has told the turks they have committed no such genocide. they made them believe it. once we get recognition, the government will make them believe they did commit genocide...its as simple as that.

[zurderer]

Yes, it was very unfortunate for my beutiful and my civilised nation of the world; but history proved itself to the truth and the reality of this statement time and time again.

 

Ask it to azeris. By the way, I am not aware that armenians have a special genes about beauty. About your civilized nation, Yeah just look at ROA, you can see civilization at that. Sorry but your nationalist ideas are not supported by reality.

 

You cannot rewrite nor remake history with your attempts of empty justifications.

 

I can, or anyone can rewrite history. History is not a real thing, every people have their history. You have your genocide, and we have our deaths.

 

You are not aware of our deaths, and we are not aware of your genocide. So both of us rewrite history, as our political aims.

 

My friend said {No sorry man as long as turks deny the genocide they can't be considered humans by me}. And just the above was your quote.

 

So this make him more democratic? I am aware of what he said, and I think he is fasist. Not knowing history, or not interesting with history is not a big crime. Not believing a genocide is not a big crime, that make someone unhuman.

 

is armenian genocide think is a religion? If I dont believe it, do I become kafir? Sorry, This is fasism.

 

Who is the fascist here? Heh??????

 

I am not, I am not a humanist, but absolutely not fasist too. I dont care If someone is armenian or Turk, but I care for Turkey.

 

Your nationality who committed the first heinous GENOCIDE of the twentieth century and doesn't want to admit their carnal acts for almost 100 years is not fascist, and you are calling unrealistically to my friend that???????

 

Well, I have no idea about importance of twentieth century, and absolutely we are not only nation, that genocided others.

 

Also We have no benefit If we accept genocide, Infact It harms us. So I can understand my goverment.

 

Why should we harm ourself? For you, your half nationalist-half racist nation? Sorry, I dont think you deserve this sacrificy.

 

Just ask yourself, why dont you find a lot turks who say armenians are not human, but you can find a lot armenians who say, Turks are unhuman.

 

Sorry, even your ancestors are guilty, I will not help and my goverment should not help, hateful sons.

 

You go put your head in the mud for your unrealistic, unhuministic and gibberish talks.

 

I cannot answer this argument, Infact this is not an argument which deserve and answer.

 

the government has told the turks they have committed no such genocide. they made them believe it. once we get recognition, the government will make them believe they did commit genocide...its as simple as that.

 

Well, I hate to admit it too but you are right.

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zurderer I am not a fascist I am a patriot with far left political orientation. I would rather be a fascist than a crap like you.

 

You do care about Turkey as you have siad, well I do not. Beacuse they undestand everything and they still are denying it. There is no justification of their criminal behaviour.

 

I have no respect also to the ones who support turks in their denial of Armenian Genocide. Especially the ones who consider themselves armenians. You are one of them (form Mutafyan & Co).

 

 

Your village has called...

[Takoush]

Ask it to azeris. By the way, I am not aware that armenians have a special genes about beauty. About your civilized nation, Yeah just look at ROA, you can see civilization at that. Sorry but your nationalist ideas are not supported by reality.

I can, or anyone can rewrite history. History is not a real thing, every people have their history. You have your genocide, and we have our deaths.

 

How would you have felt if Armenians came to your anscestral Mongolian lands where your anscestors originally came from, not only took over your country; but taxed you very heavily and killed all your family on your mother's side and all your family on your father's side. So that only your father survived by chance and your grandparents survived by chance on your mother's side, and you were pushed out from your 4,000 years old anscestral lands. Heh? Heh? Heh? How would you have felt? Would you have said but we were killed too? When only measly few of you died out of hunger and out of the bad higene care of your own government's doing?

 

You don't have to answer; because I know already that you don't give a darn about anything and about nothing. But I just wanted you to feel how we felt and how we feel as a nationality and as human beings. Not that you care much or seem to have any feelings nor you have any conscience about it either.

 

 

we are not aware of your genocide. I dont care If someone is armenian or Turk, but I care for Turkey.

 

Go care for your turkey. A bashebozoog country with thousands of miles along with a history of crimes and with bloodsucking bloody deniers.

Edited December 3, 2006 by Anahid Takouhi

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Lol Anahit jan, well said. Mi jghaynaci lav.

 

One stupid question: Is zurderer a turk?

[zurderer]

zurderer I am not a fascist I am a patriot with far left political orientation. I would rather be a fascist than a crap like you.

 

My friend, I am living in Turkey. We have every bullshit here, including leftist fasist. Sorry I wont eat this dolma.

 

By the way,I did not meet with much fasist, who call himself as fasist.

 

You do care about Turkey as you have siad, well I do not.

 

Understandable, My care for ROA is not much too.

Beacuse they undestand everything and they still are denying it.

 

well majority of people, dont understand it. I think this accusation is ok for me, (I know there is a genocide, but I dont support armenian genocide law) but not majority of people. I am sure, you never came to Turkey, so your ideas about Turkish people is totally absurd. You dont know them

 

There is no justification of their criminal behaviour.

 

Bla, bla. Not believing a crime is not a crime.

 

I have no respect also to the ones who support turks in their denial of Armenian Genocide. Especially the ones who consider themselves armenians. You are one of them (form Mutafyan & Co).

 

err, I am Turk, not armenian. I should also say, bolsohays and your american armenian have different priority. Their first priority is survival, not Armenian genocide.

 

Infact all people think survival is more important.

 

Your village has called...

 

New name, Ormancık. Old name, macdenos. A greek village, not armenian one.

 

How would you have felt if Armenians came to your anscestral Mongolian lands where your anscestors originally came from, not only took over your country; but taxed you very heavily and killed all your family on your mother's side and all your family on your father's side. So that only your father survived by chance and your grandparents survived by chance on your mother's side, and you were pushed out from your 4,000 years old anscestral lands. Heh? Heh? Heh? How would you have felt? Would you have said but we were killed too? When only measly few of you died out of hunger and out of the bad higene care of your own government's doing?

 

well, people who killed your people are already death. Absolutely I will not seek revenge from their children or grandchildren. I should add that I will seek revenge from them..

 

By the way, much died hunger and bad higene, most probably more than armenians.

 

But fews were killed by armenians, or do you think, your beatiful people is not capabla of killing?

 

We have a word says that fire burn where It fall. It looks like this word is true, isnt it?

 

By the way, you dont see much mongolian Turk in Turkey, majority of Turkish people have root at this land.

 

Most of them are, asimilated armenian, greek, arabs, kurd, or other anatolian people. So this mongolian thing is bullshit. We have our right at this land, as much as you.

 

You don't have to answer; because I know already that you don't give a darn about anything and about nothing.

 

Why do you think, my compassion for your ancestors should include their children too?

 

 

Not that you care much or seem to have any feelings nor you have any conscience about it either.

 

I care for feeling, that is why I dislike armenian genocide thing.

 

I will not support to give weapon to a nation that hate or even aimed to harm us.

 

Without ethnic cleansing you may have not chance to claim your older lands, but this ethnic cleansing possibility(or must) is not stoping you.

 

 

Why should I help or care for these people? Because my ancestor killed your one, why should I help your children to kill my children?

 

Go care for your turkey. A bashebozoog country with thousands of miles along with a history of crimes and with bloodsucking bloody deniers.

 

did you come turkey? I did not see any blood sucking criminals, but standart people. People who help me, love me and I love.

 

Sorry, You can hate Turkey, I can understand this, but It is absurd, you are angry me because I hate my own people and country. dont you agree with me? Should I hate my people because of armenians?

One stupid question: Is zurderer a turk?

 

Of course, I dont know much armenians who protect Turk and If there are some, I am sure you would call her as unarmenian.

[Takoush]

On this note I have one thing to say to you Z.

 

There is no good turk only a dead turk.

[zurderer]

Than at least, every Turk will become good turk at one day. I am not sure about every armenians.(Including you.)

[Takoush]

Error jan shenorhagal em. Ayo ge gardsem as marte turk eh. Iravounk ounis.

 

Yes Yervanti xoske bedke mdig eneyi yev aylyevs asor hede chi xoseyi. Aveli lav gella, payts yerpemn anang sxal paner gese vor gouzem deghe tnel.

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Zurderer! Dude!

 

you are not only waste of time and nerves, you are also waste of sperms. Are you trying to be a good turk here? Good turks are like Anahit already said. Unless they admit their criminal past then maybe a good turk will be a turk alive.

 

I appologize for my filthy language but like I said I have no respect to anyone who knowingly denies Armenian Genocide and anyone who supports deniers.

 

For the armenians whoever is beeing harrassed by state sponsored terror because of their nationality like in turkey I don't see a reason them to stay in that country. They can always go back to Armenia or any other country instead of surviving in an environment full of potential enemies.

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Who really knows the reason they chose to stay? I don't think that there is a clear-cut answer for this and it's not right to criticise them for it. Maybe they feel a sense of duty to maintain the last functioning Armenian churches and schools despite the enormous hardships they face. There used to be the last of Armenian of Kayseri, the last Armenian of Diyarbakır maybe that's why they are still hanging on. Maybe they feel a responsibility to their ancestors to preserve what's left of the Armenian presence in Turkey.

[zurderer]

Are you trying to be a good turk here?

 

I am not, I dont want to be death at least until I see son of my grandson.

Unless they admit their criminal past then maybe a good turk will be a turk alive.

 

Absurd, why should they admit something, they did not believe. Because of your senses? I dont see you care otherones emotion much, why should they do?

 

I appologize for my filthy language but like I said I have no respect to anyone who knowingly denies Armenian Genocide and anyone who supports deniers.

 

No need to apologize, I can understand your motives. what I cannot understand is, why are you angry to Turks? we are barbarian, criminal, unhuman but you wait us something that no nation would ever do. Harm our benefits for an enemy nation. It is ironic to wait such sacrify from barbarian, criminal people. Why are you angry to us?

For the armenians whoever is beeing harrassed by state sponsored terror because of their nationality like in turkey I don't see a reason them to stay in that country. They can always go back to Armenia or any other country instead of surviving in an environment full of potential enemies.

 

Maybe their reason is same with their ancestors reason, They dont want to left their lands.Anyway dont become much sorry, most of armenians are old generation, and armenian population is decreasing.

 

By the way, do you understand why some armenians from ROA immigrate Turkey?

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I am not, I dont want to be death at least until I see son of my grandson.

Absurd, why should they admit something, they did not believe. Because of your senses? I dont see you care otherones emotion much, why should they do?

No need to apologize, I can understand your motives. what I cannot understand is, why are you angry to Turks? we are barbarian, criminal, unhuman but you wait us something that no nation would ever do. Harm our benefits for an enemy nation. It is ironic to wait such sacrify from barbarian, criminal people. Why are you angry to us?

 

Noone? I mentioned in my previous posts that Germany and US did. Especially Germany which is originating from real barbaric roots...

 

Maybe their reason is same with their ancestors reason, They dont want to left their lands.Anyway dont become much sorry, most of armenians are old generation, and armenian population is decreasing.

I still do not see a reason. If you guys want to destroy the remaining churches or monuments(as you did in the past) you will do that despite their presence. You already stole our prechristian (Urartian) cultural values. Christianity and turks are completely opposite things there is something you can't assign to your national identity.

By the way, do you understand why some armenians from ROA immigrate Turkey?

I do not know any Armenian immigrating from Armenia to Turkey permanently. I know some people coming over for business.

[zurderer]

Noone? I mentioned in my previous posts that Germany and US did. Especially Germany which is originating from real barbaric roots...

 

Germany did not, she is forced. She did not only killed jews, but poles or others too.

 

what US did is also different than what germany did. Only germany accepted his past crimes, and this decision is not taken by germany, and I am sure we are agree about that, we have a lot nation that made a lot crime. So,what you want is not done by anyone. I dont think we turks have more ethic value than others.(I know some of our nationalist think like this, but they are wrong.)

 

I still do not see a reason.

 

Absolutely they see, I think I respect them much. They are not leaving their land for better life. How can you built a nation with leaving your lands?

 

If you guys want to destroy the remaining churches or monuments(as you did in the past) you will do that despite their presence.

 

Err , we had not a politic to destroy churches or monuments, after armenians left, they are neglected.

 

You already stole our prechristian (Urartian) cultural values.

 

how can we steal it?

 

Christianity and turks are completely opposite things there is something you can't assign to your national identity.

 

Indeed, but dont mind turks much, acording to last pool, less than 20% of Turkey people call themself firstly Turks, and more than 40% call themself firstly muslim. Anyway, gagavuz are accepted as turk, and they are mainly christian.

 

I should also say, this is not much different for armenian or greeks. You are complately opposite to islam. So we are even.

 

I do not know any Armenian immigrating from Armenia to Turkey permanently. I know some people coming over for business.

 

I did not know, childs also come Turkey for business. I am sure, If someone get his family with himself, that means, he decided to live new country. At this situation, this new country is Turkey.

 

Infact I think bolsohays are happy with new immigration, they found a new blood, then never produce by themself.

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Germany did not, she is forced. She did not only killed jews, but poles or others too.

 

what US did is also different than what germany did. Only germany accepted his past crimes, and this decision is not taken by germany, and I am sure we are agree about that, we have a lot nation that made a lot crime. So,what you want is not done by anyone. I dont think we turks have more ethic value than others.(I know some of our nationalist think like this, but they are wrong.)

 

 

 

Absolutely they see, I think I respect them much. They are not leaving their land for better life. How can you built a nation with leaving your lands?

 

 

 

Err , we had not a politic to destroy churches or monuments, after armenians left, they are neglected.

how can we steal it?

 

 

 

Indeed, but dont mind turks much, acording to last pool, less than 20% of Turkey people call themself firstly Turks, and more than 40% call themself firstly muslim. Anyway, gagavuz are accepted as turk, and they are mainly christian.

 

I should also say, this is not much different for armenian or greeks. You are complately opposite to islam. So we are even.

I did not know, childs also come Turkey for business. I am sure, If someone get his family with himself, that means, he decided to live new country. At this situation, this new country is Turkey.

 

Infact I think bolsohays are happy with new immigration, they found a new blood, then never produce by themself.

 

Every German I met in my life (and I have met many) was real sorry for their Nazi past unlike the turks. Americans admit their brutality against the Native Indians and blacks in the past. Other nations suffered from nazis too but it was more like collateral damage or direct result of combat activities. Nazis gathered and killed jews and gipsys. Now they are sorry about that, turks are not. Nazis did that in their own land, turks did it in our own homeland. Maybe that's why Nazis admited their criminal past you guys don't want to. Because you may lose alot. In some point your denial makes sense but it is still wrong.

Crime must be punished !

 

I see NO reason of them to stay with turks. I bet you like the fact that some of them are kissasses and are denying the genocide like you do. You would like people like them to be more and more.

 

No official politics to destroy our cultural heritage. But unofficially you do, you have to admit it. So does azerbaijan.

 

How can you steal our prechristian heritage? Turkish historians claim now that turks are of urartian origin.

 

If someone is visiting his relatives with his children in another country does not necessary mean he immigrated. Or he may be in a short term business stay in there.