Yervant1 Posted March 3, 2006 Report Share Posted March 3, 2006 No, no! I protest! With that 10% you are redusing me to an Hollywood talent agent. On second thought, I would settle for 5 %. After all Mr. 5%, aka Galust Gubenkian did not make out so badly. Since you didn't come out greedy, let's make it a 15% how about that? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sasun Posted March 3, 2006 Report Share Posted March 3, 2006 Speaking of the “message”, read the Bible, no not that trashy book of HATE, but the New Testament, where Jesus said this; Matt.5 [17] Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil. http://www.hti.umich.edu/cgi/k/kjv/kjv-idx...V2&byte=4393272 What he actually meant was that He had come to amend the message from that of hate, destruction, war and pestilence by a jealous, unforgiving , vindictively biased Jewhovah to a God for all the people, a God of love, peace and forgiveness for ALL of mankind. Why would anyone need more idle talk!!?? In fact Jesus was a revolutionary (against Roman oppression of the time) in the true sense of the word, yet, knowing that He could not break it with physical force, he chose non-violent confrontation in the model of Gandhi and M.L. King. . They came much later. There are different ways to look at the "kind" God and the "vindictive" God. If you put your hand in the fire, you will be in anguish? Who created fire? God. Who created your hand in a way that it can be hurt? God. Can God make it so that the fire does not burn your hand? Yes, God could if he wanted, He is omnipotent. Why does he not do that? Because God is vindictive, He would like you to follow his physical laws, or else you will be severly punished. There are no exceptions. The same goes with spiritual laws. God would like you to follow His spiritual laws (do not steal, do not kill, do not phornicate, etc.), or else you will be hurt in hell. Worship matter (as another form of god) instead of the only God, and you will be hurt in hell, because God is jealous. So the same compassionate God maybe viewed as vindictive and cruel, if one is inclined to think this way. In ancient times people were very much like brutes, therefore preaching love and mercy would not have been understood, a different language must have been used. The word "punishment" was much more appealing and much more understood than a philosophical discource of the dual and relative nature of this world, that God indeed is loving and compassionate if you are wise enough to see that. I talk that we are responsible for our acts, that we shape our future by building good or bad karma, yet many people on this board fail to realize its truth. It is much easier to say, you know, God has rules, you follow them he will love you, if not he will punish you. The same thing happens in either case, but explanations are different. It is a function of the level of consciousness. Ancient people had a lower level of consciousness. In the future our consciousness maybe viewed low and even ridiculous. But this is who we are, and that is who we used to be... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arpa Posted March 3, 2006 Report Share Posted March 3, 2006 (edited) There are different ways to look at the "kind" God and the "vindictive" God. If you put your hand in the fire, you will be in anguish? Who created fire? God. Who created your hand in a way that it can be hurt? God. Can God make it so that the fire does not burn your hand? Yes, God could if he wanted, He is omnipotent. Why does he not do that? Because God is vindictive, He would like you to follow his physical laws, or else you will be severly punished. There are no exceptions. No! YOU will be punished! I am punished enough when I park my car past the parking meter time limit. Why is it "OK" to break the laws of our government and a "sin/crime" to break the laws of Jewhovah? Edited March 3, 2006 by Arpa Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aSoldier Posted March 3, 2006 Report Share Posted March 3, 2006 Why is it "OK" to break the laws of our government and a "sin/crime" to break the laws of Jewhovah? God does not want you to "sin" because it will only destroy you. When people say "God is punishing me for my sin" it is actually the sin that punishes you. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arpa Posted March 3, 2006 Report Share Posted March 3, 2006 (edited) Error! Edited March 3, 2006 by Arpa Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arpa Posted March 3, 2006 Report Share Posted March 3, 2006 (edited) There are different ways to look at the "kind" God and the "vindictive" God. If you put your hand in the fire ==== God has rules, === re, and that is who we used to be... I am glad that you have been to the judicial court of God and you know his "rules". Could you tell us where his "judicial court" of "rules" is? Is it at the intersection of State and Main Streets? Edited March 3, 2006 by Arpa Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arpa Posted March 3, 2006 Report Share Posted March 3, 2006 (edited) God does not want you to "sin" because it will only destroy you. When people say "God is punishing me for my sin" it is actually the sin that punishes you. Yeah! Yeah! Whatever!! I am not intelligent enough to comprehend all that "chicken feed". But, as you can see I have enough sense/intellect to respond both in the "Kings" English and Mesrop's "Armenian" Now, let's see your non-jewhovaic intellect!. Edited March 3, 2006 by Arpa Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aSoldier Posted March 3, 2006 Report Share Posted March 3, 2006 Yeah! Yeah! Whatever!! I am not intelligent enough to comprehend all that "chicken feed". But, as you can see I have enough sense/intellect to respond both in the "Kings" English and Mesrop's "Armenian" Now, let's see your intellect!. Have some respect, please. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arpa Posted March 3, 2006 Report Share Posted March 3, 2006 (edited) Have some respect, please. Respect to what? That we are subject and subservient slaves to that blasted/bloody Jewhovah of the Jews? What does "Armenian" mean? Is it "the lost tribe of the 'chosen people'"? May they ever be LOST! Dear Seb, may I urge you to stop reading that heap of BULLSHIT aka, Bible!!?? And start reading Armenian history and literature instead for achange? Edited March 3, 2006 by Arpa Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aSoldier Posted March 3, 2006 Report Share Posted March 3, 2006 Respect to what? That we are subject and subservient slaves to that blasted/bloody Jewhovah of the Jews? What does "Armenian" mean? Is it "the lost tribe of the 'chosen people'"? May they ever be LOST! How old are you? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sasun Posted March 3, 2006 Report Share Posted March 3, 2006 Could you tell us where his "judicial court" of "rules" is? Is it at the intersection of State and Main Streets? Maybe I could, but you would not understand it! You lack that dimension. Sometimes it is very easy to figure out a person's level of consciousness. What? You are going to say something cynical? Ohh ohh, I am very impressed... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arpa Posted March 3, 2006 Report Share Posted March 3, 2006 Maybe I could, but you would not understand it! You lack that dimension. Sometimes it is very easy to figure out a person's level of consciousness. What? You are going to say something cynical? Ohh ohh, I am very impressed... Yeah, Yeah, I would not understand since I cannot read English or Armenian, for that matter. What other language must I learn? How is Turkish? I know that too! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arpa Posted March 3, 2006 Report Share Posted March 3, 2006 (edited) How old are you? How old am I? Perhaps old enough to be your father. Yet, let us not lose sight that that this is HyeForum, not HryaForum, i.e what Isiah/Jeremiah/Avram and Moshe said, and that we are here to promote Armenian culture, not the culture of bloody/blasted/bastard Jew-Hovah. And, as you can see, I know more about that book of "bullshit" known as the Bible than you'll ever know. Edited March 3, 2006 by Arpa Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vava Posted March 3, 2006 Report Share Posted March 3, 2006 How old am I? Perhaps old enough to be your father. Yet, let us not lose sight that that this is HyeForum, not HryaForum, i.e what Isiah/Jeremiah/Avram and Moshe said, and that we are here to promote Armenian culture, not the culture of bloody/blasted/bastard Jew-Hovah. And, as you can see, I know more about that book of "bullshit" known as the Bible than you'll ever know. Arpa jan, could you please leave the other people out of this. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aSoldier Posted March 3, 2006 Report Share Posted March 3, 2006 And, as you can see, I know more about that book of "bullshit" known as the Bible than you'll ever know. A little defensive, aren't we? You can insult me, God, and every living Christian all you want, but I doubt you'll get anywhere positive. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shaunt Posted March 7, 2006 Report Share Posted March 7, 2006 In order to live happily, I must be in agreement with the world. And this is what being happy means. I am then, so to speak, in agreement with that alien will on which I appear dependent. That is to say: 'I am doing the will of God" (Italics are mine). -Wittgenstein, Notebooks Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Takoush Posted March 8, 2006 Report Share Posted March 8, 2006 (edited) In order to live happily one must be good in the eyes of God; know and adhere to the good rules of the world and society; love thy family, friends, parents, neighbors and continue to know thyself amidst chaos. Edited March 8, 2006 by Anahid Takouhi Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
voghormatz Posted March 13, 2006 Report Share Posted March 13, 2006 The following articles provide proof that everything in the Christian religion and in the bible has been STOLEN from other religions that predated it from all around the world. Christianity is a tool for removing vital knowledge from the populace. Whenever Christianity or its cohorts took control of a country or region, the ancient texts and records were removed and/or destroyed. This took out of circulation the very knowledge those in power have used and still use to manipulate the ignorant population. This allowed an alternative invented "history" to be written which has disconnected humanity from its true origins. Controlling history is important because if one manipulates how people see what we call the past, this influences the present and the future. There are vacuum sealed vaults in the Vatican library containing thousands upon thousands of ancient esoteric books from around the world that have been stolen and hoarded over the years and kept out of public circulation. The Catholic Church which is the root of the Christian religion is controlled by a secret society that has abused occult power to enslave the masses. The end goal is the total enslavement of humanity, which they have worked towards relentlessly and ruthlessly. These people have advanced astrological knowledge that assists their works in regards to timing. These are secrets that have survived the ages from Ancient Babylon and other ancient civilizations that were highly advanced both spiritually, intellectually and technologically. All of this has directly affected each and every one of us. Humanity has suffered unnecessarily because of the denial of this knowledge. People have been coerced over the centuries into paying for their own damnation to the tune of billions and billions of dollars to keep this lie prospering and continuing strong. The survival and prosperity of this vicious hoax on humanity requires only ONE thing- A LACK OF KNOWLEDGE! Contrary to what most people have been indoctrinated with, Judaism, Christianity and Islam are realitively new religions. Humanity goes back tens of thousands of years. These three have worked relentlessly to keep us from this knowledge. They are built upon murder, torture and lies and the only way any lie of this magnitude can survive is to create more and more lies and destroy the peoples who know the truth. This is why Jehova sent the Israelites on a campaign of mass murder and genocide. Christianity is nothing more than a program. There is nothing religious or spiritual about it. Millions of people suffer depression, hopelessness and confusion about life. The soul needs light and very few know this or actively practice the power meditation that will literally "save" their own souls. Because of a lack of knowledge and ignorance of the occult, humanity has been placed under a powerful spell of delusion concerning these three religions. The truth does not need to be incessantly and forcefully pushed. It can be seen everywhere. Humanity as a whole has been indoctrinated not to look. Armena This guy has definitely drunk the kool-aid... I was agreeing with everything he said but he had to pop that "secret society" conspiracy crap. Damn it, we know religion is bullshit... You just had to keep that kooky shit under wraps... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aSoldier Posted March 13, 2006 Report Share Posted March 13, 2006 welcome to the forum ^^ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ludwig9 Posted March 13, 2006 Report Share Posted March 13, 2006 Here is an excerpt from an article that was written a couple of years ago. Armenia2020 Church, State and Religion in Armenia Issue Paper prepared by the Arak-29 Foundation (Yerevan) Research Team Leader: Thomas J. Samuelian, J.D., Ph.D. Fr. Mesrop Aramian Fr. Dajad Davidian Manuk Hergnyan, Ph.D. Tamar Hajian, J.D., LL.M. Jason Demirchian, M.Div. "In virtually every sphere of Armenian life from the 4th through the 18th century, the church and clergy, led the nation, creating the alphabet, language, literature, translations from foreign languages, scholarship (e.g., science, history, philosophy, theology, music, art, architecture), and social services institutions (hospitals, schools, universities, orphanages, old age homes). In the 19th century, parallel to the Church, a significant non-ecclesiastic scholarly and literary life developed. As the creator and heir to Armenia’s large cultural inheritance, the Church continues to be the protector and purveyor of Armenian culture, in Armenia and to Armenians dispersed throughout the world and in particular the Mid-East. " So as I have said before, for those who criticize Christianity and the Armenian Church, please feel free to use another language, history, music and culture that the Church has fought to preserve. Again, no one is forcing anybody to be Armenian or Christian. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sip Posted March 13, 2006 Report Share Posted March 13, 2006 So as I have said before, for those who criticize Christianity and the Armenian Church, please feel free to use another language, history, music and culture that the Church has fought to preserve. Again, no one is forcing anybody to be Armenian or Christian. Following that logic, should I still be living in a cave, drawing on walls? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Takoush Posted March 14, 2006 Report Share Posted March 14, 2006 Following that logic, should I still be living in a cave, drawing on walls? This really is very little of my business; but since you did post it publically in open Forum; I think you should follow that said logic and you could still be living in a cave, very well drawing on walls; such as a caveman. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sip Posted March 14, 2006 Report Share Posted March 14, 2006 Obviously, I couldn't disagree more. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yervant1 Posted March 14, 2006 Report Share Posted March 14, 2006 Obviously, I couldn't disagree more. Please Sip can you post the directions to your CAVE, I like drawing on walls too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anoushik Posted March 14, 2006 Report Share Posted March 14, 2006 Obviously, I couldn't disagree more. Sip, this is too funny! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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