Takoush Posted September 26, 2005 Report Share Posted September 26, 2005 (edited) Anahid, Hearts have gotten us NOWHERE but getting butchered, numerous times. style_images/master/snapback.png OK phantom 22, but what I am trying to say is that the president who rules should: a. be knowledgeable about the people's needs and his people b. yes, he should be a very good politican, cool, smart and a calculating mind c. should also be sympathetic and loving the country he/she is ruling d. have done some heroic act for the country he is ruling, preferable but not compulsory or a must. c. be very knowledgeable about foreign politics, foreign affairs and know how to deal effectively with foreign heads of states. e. know how to form his effective cabinet and be able to delegate work, etc. f. be ethical and moral as much as possible, helpful g. work well with other political parties within the country and to have them help both him and the country .....and the list goes on..... Edited September 26, 2005 by Anahid Takouhi Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
karakash Posted September 26, 2005 Report Share Posted September 26, 2005 This generalization sucks. I know many diaspora Armenians who are not in any way involved in politics who run these kinds of businesses. karakash you mentioned something about a diasporan not being elected but someone close to kocharian such as oskanian or sargsian. ah, isn't oskanian a diasporan? second if sargsian became president, completely completely impossible if there were fair elections, but believe me NO ONE will vote for that idiot. if he became with unfair elections the only thing that will lead to is another revolution in eastern europe. style_images/master/snapback.png You are right, Vartan is not from Armenia, but he has basically become an insider. The person who "wins" the next election is going to be from the same group as Kocharian's core of supporters. Serge will agree not to run, Vartan will win. Serge will keep his current job. Robert will sail off into the sunset. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phantom22 Posted September 26, 2005 Report Share Posted September 26, 2005 Anahid, I agree. It is sad what is transpiring in Armenia at present-unrestrained Capitalism at the expense of the weak and unconnected. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Proud EXPAT Posted September 27, 2005 Report Share Posted September 27, 2005 You are right, Vartan is not from Armenia, but he has basically become an insider. The person who "wins" the next election is going to be from the same group as Kocharian's core of supporters. Serge will agree not to run, Vartan will win. Serge will keep his current job. Robert will sail off into the sunset. style_images/master/snapback.png I have nothing against Vardan being president. I don't see anyone else who deserves that position yet. Not to say Vardan is perfect but honestly who else is there? Although I can't stand Serge I think his position in the Defence Ministry is perfect for him. Who else could be a better Defence Minister? I would just like to see some changes in the way our soldiers are treated by other soldiers as well as their commanders. It's sad to hear so many negative stories about what goes on in the military. I would like to see the day when kids will love to join the army instead of finding a way to avoid the service. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Proud EXPAT Posted September 27, 2005 Report Share Posted September 27, 2005 Another candidate for the next pres elections? The head of personnel of the RA President Artashes Tumanian affirmed yesterday the information that he was going to form a party in the coming future. He informed that now the issues with the adherents are being discussed; “If we succeed and the party is formed then we’ll take part in the parliamentary elections in 2007,”- he said. And how the new-formed party will be called is still secret but according to the official it will have “a beautiful and harmonious name». Mr. Tumanian also promised that bright and new political figures would appear in the new-formed structure. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harut Posted September 27, 2005 Report Share Posted September 27, 2005 EXPAT, what do you think of Tigran Karapetyan? what's the general feeling towards him in the country? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Proud EXPAT Posted September 27, 2005 Report Share Posted September 27, 2005 EXPAT, what do you think of Tigran Karapetyan? what's the general feeling towards him in the country? style_images/master/snapback.png Personal opinion no way he is a joke, but he has a BIG BIG following of a different class. I'm sure he would collect alot of votes because he does pay attention to people from the regions. Who else does right? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
karakash Posted September 27, 2005 Report Share Posted September 27, 2005 Isn't it all about the people counting the ballots instead of the people actually going to the polls. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aaron Posted September 29, 2005 Report Share Posted September 29, 2005 (edited) Vardan Oskanian will not be president and will not even run for it. He is not the appropriate person to run a caucasian country (although he has many qualities). In my view, the main candidates are Serge Sarkissian (not as bad as he seems, by the way!), Arthur Baghdassarian, Aghvan Hovsepian, from today's ruling side and: Raffi Hovanissian, Demirdjian, Aram sarkissian, and artashes geghamian from the opposition. If the vote was held today, I would vote for Serge! He is by far the most hated man in Armenia ... but he knows what he is doing, his previous actions prove that he is smart/foxy, dirty (perhaps not physically) at his times, and a quite daring politician with a very long experience as a statesman and military commander as well. The only big problem is that no one will vote for him because he is the most powerful man in the country ..... we have a tendency to hate the strongest among us (although in his case he has done some nasty things... elections 2003)! Also, I don't know if he has a vision for all the armenians, if he has the cultural and intellectual opening required from a president. If it's not Serge, then I would vote for Raffi Hovanissian. What do you mean he is disconnected from Armenia and does not relate to its problems? These are some of my thoughts A. Edited September 29, 2005 by Aaron Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
karakash Posted September 29, 2005 Report Share Posted September 29, 2005 Vardan Oskanian will not be president and will not even run for it. He is not the appropriate person to run a caucasian country (although he has many qualities). In my view, the main candidates are Serge Sarkissian (not as bad as he seems, by the way!), Arthur Baghdassarian, Aghvan Hovsepian, from today's ruling side and: Raffi Hovanissian, Demirdjian, Aram sarkissian, and artashes geghamian from the opposition. If the vote was held today, I would vote for Serge! He is by far the most hated man in Armenia ... but he knows what he is doing, his previous actions prove that he is smart/foxy, dirty (perhaps not physically) at his times, and a quite daring politician with a very long experience as a statesman and military commander as well. The only big problem is that no one will vote for him because he is the most powerful man in the country ..... we have a tendency to hate the strongest among us (although in his case he has done some nasty things... elections 2003)! Also, I don't know if he has a vision for all the armenians, if he has the cultural and intellectual opening required from a president. If it's not Serge, then I would vote for Raffi Hovanissian. What do you mean he is disconnected from Armenia and does not relate to its problems? These are some of my thoughts A. style_images/master/snapback.png Serge will agree not to run and will back Vartan for president. Serge will keep his current job. Serge is not good at public speaking - he is more of a behind the scenes type of guy. That is why they loathed Vazken Sargisian and were allegedly the ones who ordered his assassination. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nazarian Posted September 30, 2005 Report Share Posted September 30, 2005 Who's Vartan? Is it Vardan Oskanian? He can't run for presidency because he hasn't been an Armenian citizen for 10 years. Plus, he is too nice of a guy. I think Serge Sargsian is the most competent person for the position although I suspect he has been involved in some way in the 1997 killings. If there is going to be a rose revolution style thingie in Armenia then Arthur Baghdasarian is the most probable person to win. The opposition leaders are still too green for the job. The ALM Tigran Karapetian is a charlatan and has no way of getting elected. As for Aghvan Hovsepian, he is from ARF and ARF is not popular in Armenia. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Artsakh Posted October 1, 2005 Report Share Posted October 1, 2005 Another candidate for the next pres elections? The head of personnel of the RA President Artashes Tumanian affirmed yesterday the information that he was going to form a party in the coming future. style_images/master/snapback.png Is this the same Artashes Tumanian who was a member of the dashnak party? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nazarian Posted October 1, 2005 Report Share Posted October 1, 2005 Is this the same Artashes Tumanian who was a member of the dashnak party? style_images/master/snapback.png Yes. I think he was HHSh before, and Communist before that. He basically is either an opportunist or is good at being a mid level government official. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Proud EXPAT Posted October 1, 2005 Report Share Posted October 1, 2005 Yes. I think he was HHSh before, and Communist before that. He basically is either an opportunist or is good at being a mid level government official. style_images/master/snapback.png a wishy washy idiot Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Artsakh Posted October 1, 2005 Report Share Posted October 1, 2005 What do you guys think of Manuk Gasparian? http://www.parliament.am/hdoc/Members/en/024.htm Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aaron Posted October 1, 2005 Report Share Posted October 1, 2005 We would have the funniest pres. in the world... it could actually be positive, lol! A. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kakachik77 Posted October 1, 2005 Report Share Posted October 1, 2005 Artur Bagdassarian is the best candidate in my opinion. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Proud EXPAT Posted October 1, 2005 Report Share Posted October 1, 2005 What do you guys think of Manuk Gasparian? http://www.parliament.am/hdoc/Members/en/024.htm style_images/master/snapback.png Manuk looks like an old school fedayi with that mustache. By the way I cant see many people voting for Baghdassarian, he's just a kid in the eyes of most local Armenians. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kakachik77 Posted October 1, 2005 Report Share Posted October 1, 2005 Manuk looks like an old school fedayi with that mustache. By the way I cant see many people voting for Baghdassarian, he's just a kid in the eyes of most local Armenians. style_images/master/snapback.png more like Talaat ***** Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Artsakh Posted October 2, 2005 Report Share Posted October 2, 2005 Artur Bagdassarian is the best candidate in my opinion. style_images/master/snapback.png How did this child get into office in the first place? Perhaps his "masonic" connections explains it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Artsakh Posted October 2, 2005 Report Share Posted October 2, 2005 Manuk looks like an old school fedayi with that mustache. style_images/master/snapback.png I know. Nonetheless, he remains one of favorite politicians. I think he is one of the few who speaks the truth. I also think that Viktor Dalakyan would make a good president and politician. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Artsakh Posted October 2, 2005 Report Share Posted October 2, 2005 more like Talaat ***** style_images/master/snapback.png Not only is that NOT funny, but its an insult to every Armenian to bring up the name of that genocidal DOG in an Armenian forum. Please keep that in mind for future posts! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Artsakh Posted October 2, 2005 Report Share Posted October 2, 2005 Who's Vartan? Is it Vardan Oskanian? I think Serge Sargsian is the most competent person for the position although I suspect he has been involved in some way in the 1997 killings. style_images/master/snapback.png You mean 1999, and I too think he was in on it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MosJan Posted October 2, 2005 Report Share Posted October 2, 2005 http://www.parliament.am/hdoc/Members/img/024.jpg es yerkri prezident enq @entrum te Xashi Seghani Tamada lseq iskapes mer Qaraqakan gortsichnrits qcher@ normal tesq unen mnatsats@ kam Heroyin / Plan qashogi tesq unen deghin atamnerov, heroyinits mashvats Aytoskrner, shateri achqeri tak mshtapes mug guyni urrats - kartses mi 30 or chen qnel..... gone lava hiam stsel en Spar@vel - et che miyan@shanak bolor@ xachik stambutsyani k@rknorinak@ klineyin http://www.armchess.am/gifs/p25.jpg iy yete Tamada enq nshanakelu - im Kartsiqov iharke - Andron amenalav teknatsun e !!! http://www.a1plus.am/files/issue/31198.jpg Tetev Katakov - MOvses Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arpa Posted October 2, 2005 Report Share Posted October 2, 2005 Not only is that NOT funny, but its an insult to every Armenian to bring up the name of that genocidal DOG in an Armenian forum. Please keep that in mind for future posts! style_images/master/snapback.png Yes indeed Artsakh. Why do we feel oblgated to call those genocidal SSO's *****/prince? On another note. I also think that it is an insult to refer to Zoravar Andranik as "*****" too. Here is what I wrote some time ago, but it seems old habits are hard to break. QUOTE(Artaxias @ Jan 11 2005, 02:27 PM) Primitive peasants use animalistic words like "fedayi", those are the same turkified/arabic lower caste peasants that call Andranik "*****" not Zoravar. ====== Dear Artaxias, I am deeply indebted to you for bringing up this subject. I have been biting my tongue for so long that it is virtually torn into shreds. Andranik *****? Do we speak Armenian or that damn language? Ever since I saw this my blood has been boiling. http://janfedayi.com/Andranik/ *****? Whatever happened to Ishkhan? How long should it take us to de-toxify and de-Turkify? Shall we call our president sultan? A friend of mine had named her pet dog *****. Not so much out of cynicism but beacause of her love of it. She is not that deep into Armeniaca, to her naming her beloved pet was a sort of act of love. Even then "*****", despite her is a suitable name for a dog. We call Boghos Nubar a ***** as well, rightfully so, since he was an officer of the Ottoman Empire, and a prince in his own right. Was Andranik a Turk or an officer of the Empire? Another thing that gets me everytime is, when refer to those dogs Talaat and Enver as "*****s". Maybe my friend had the right idea naming her dog *****!!! Brings to mind the following song; Talaat *****n pakhav Berlin, Tehlirian@ hasav hetin, Zarkets jaktin, prets getin, Gini lits, akhber jan, gini lits!! -------------------- Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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