aSoldier Posted December 8, 2005 Report Share Posted December 8, 2005 (edited) How dare you? He is just giving a scenario with a simple answer.. Can i remind you that you just judged someone over a "simple" scenario and just answered "He is going to Hell" ? How dare you?! Now you see what we have been talking about? what just vava reminded? Christians feel they have the right to make judgments, to say anything because "it's the word of God"... but atheists don't have any rights do they? Let them all burn in hell poor people Read carefully. He wasn't asking me a question, like you were, so your accusation is invalid. I feel no right to judge and I don't see any judgement in my post, can you point it out for me? Edited December 8, 2005 by sSebB Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vava Posted December 8, 2005 Report Share Posted December 8, 2005 If only poor Jesus could know what things are being said in his name and in ignorance of his teaching, and under poor Buddha, at that. LOL Sad yes, but funny.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anoushik Posted December 8, 2005 Report Share Posted December 8, 2005 Yeah, but I also said that between lives you stay for some time in the astral world, and in that world there are bad planets and good planets. So by "Hell" I meant one of the bad planets. Reminds of the wonderful book called The Brothers Lionheart by Astrid Lindgren Of course, the boys are good people when they die and transform to another planet where people go after death. I read this in Russian when we were staying in Sweden... Has anyone read it? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anoushik Posted December 8, 2005 Report Share Posted December 8, 2005 Armat, that means all of us have some degree of faith in God. Faith is actually an intuitive knowledge of God. We are so ungrateful that we only remember God when we need him, while God remembers us always yet he does not have a need to do so. It is just absolute, pure and permanent divine love. How do you know that God remembers us always? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sasun Posted December 8, 2005 Report Share Posted December 8, 2005 Reminds of the wonderful book called The Brothers Lionheart by Astrid Lindgren Of course, the boys are good people when they die and transform to another planet where people go after death. I read this in Russian when we were staying in Sweden... Has anyone read it? Interesting Anoushik, I have not read it. Why don't you tell us about it? We must go further and further away from the topic! Oh, BTW, where are those God-damn moderators to split the topic? Oh wait I remember myself being one in my previous life Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sasun Posted December 8, 2005 Report Share Posted December 8, 2005 How do you know that God remembers us always? I don't know anything Anoushik, I just make up things to raise controversy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aSoldier Posted December 8, 2005 Report Share Posted December 8, 2005 How do you know that God remembers us always? Of course he does. It says so in the Bible. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sasun Posted December 8, 2005 Report Share Posted December 8, 2005 (edited) If only poor Jesus could know what things are being said in his name and in ignorance of his teaching, and under poor Buddha, at that. Let's not forget that this whole judgemental, law oriented and stamp-giving Christianity is only an enterprise of the apostles. The very reason for Jesus' importance is that he denounced secterianism and dogmatic intolerance. Enough criticizing and damning each other to hell, man. It's much too "Unchristian". Good point Zartonk, every once in a while a sane word is needed But we can't help it, Sip wishes to go to Hell Edited December 8, 2005 by Sasun Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anoushik Posted December 8, 2005 Report Share Posted December 8, 2005 Wait till you encounter a few tragedies, Արամազտ Մի Արասցէ and realize that God is NOT OMNIPOTENT in averting tragedies. Today is December 7th. It's the 17th anniversary of the Gyumri-Spitak earthquake. They showed a woman on the Armenian news who lost thirty-eight members of her family. For the past seventeen years she's lived in the Erebuni hotel alone. She's only fifty-three years old. I'm grateful that my immediate family (and the majority of my extended family) didn't suffer any losses. It's truly a miracle. But I'll never, never say that I was blessed. The earthquake was an unnecessary evil that a supposed God could prevent. Natural disasters on such a large scale are not necessary to demonstrate the opposites of good and evil. We already have enough evil in human characteristics to contribute to that. ...there is no God. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anoushik Posted December 8, 2005 Report Share Posted December 8, 2005 Of course he does. It says so in the Bible. What is the Bible? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anoushik Posted December 8, 2005 Report Share Posted December 8, 2005 I don't know anything Anoushik, I just make up things to raise controversy Tsk, tsk Sasun Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anoushik Posted December 8, 2005 Report Share Posted December 8, 2005 Interesting Anoushik, I have not read it. Why don't you tell us about it? We must go further and further away from the topic! Oh, BTW, where are those God-damn moderators to split the topic? Oh wait I remember myself being one in my previous life Why don't you read it? Astrid Lindgren was one of the best children's author. She wrote Pippi Longstocking, Emil, and Karlson. Oh, and she's Swedish The book is so humane. It is a comfort for children who have had loved ones die or are terminally ill and know that they will soon die. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sasun Posted December 8, 2005 Report Share Posted December 8, 2005 Why don't you read it? Astrid Lindgren was one of the best children's author. Anoushik jan, I think I have passed that age to read children's book Do you read children's book? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anoushik Posted December 8, 2005 Report Share Posted December 8, 2005 (edited) Anoushik jan, I think I have passed that age to read children's book Do you read children's book? Not anymore But since you seemed interested Actually, now it's on to such grown-up books as Faulkner's Edited December 8, 2005 by anoushik Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aSoldier Posted December 8, 2005 Report Share Posted December 8, 2005 I'm grateful that my immediate family (and the majority of my extended family) didn't suffer any losses. It's truly a miracle. But I'll never, never say that I was blessed. The earthquake was an unnecessary evil that a supposed God could prevent. Natural disasters on such a large scale are not necessary to demonstrate the opposites of good and evil. We already have enough evil in human characteristics to contribute to that. ...there is no God. It seems you will never learn or grow to love God. That's a shame. Life is just so hard, I wish God would keep my whole family alive until they die of age, I wish I never had any problems in my life so I would believe that there is a God. GOD IF YOU REALLY EXIST, YOU WON'T LET ANYTHING BAD HAPPEN TO ME! I DON'T BELIEVE IN YOU, IF YOU DON'T PREVENT NATURAL DISASTERS! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anoushik Posted December 8, 2005 Report Share Posted December 8, 2005 Life is just so hard, I wish God would keep my whole family alive until they die of age, I wish I never had any problems in my life so I would believe that there is a God. GOD IF YOU REALLY EXIST, YOU WON'T LET ANYTHING BAD HAPPEN TO ME! I DON'T BELIEVE IN YOU, IF YOU DON'T PREVENT NATURAL DISASTERS! Are you serious here? If you are the above is an immature thing to say, isn't it? Isn't your love of God supposed to be pure, without any bribes? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anoushik Posted December 8, 2005 Report Share Posted December 8, 2005 It seems you will never learn or grow to love God. That's a shame. God has done nothing for me. Where I am today, my success in life, is because of my parents' goodness, and yes, because of my own goodness. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aSoldier Posted December 8, 2005 Report Share Posted December 8, 2005 Are you serious here? If you are the above is an immature thing to say, isn't it? Isn't your love of God supposed to be pure, without any bribes? It's a joke. Don't worry. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eloren Posted December 8, 2005 Report Share Posted December 8, 2005 It seems you will never learn or grow to love God. That's a shame. And now you still are not judging? Still it's just a "simple answer"? You are doing this all along, making us look like stupid sinners who don't understand anything from this high sirituality only the Christian elite can have.. It is a bit annoying. You look young, by your profile i see that you are just 18.. so you've still seen nothing from the "real world". Still in a cocoon. You will start (like it or not) to ask some questions yourself when you begin living alone or else.. Look at Sasun, he is also a good christian, but in my opinion, his "theories" are completely different than what you hear anywhere (planets, karma etc..). He still follows God but has a different interpretation.. I have mine too... We will see yours in a few years. But please, stop being so agressive and judge like that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aSoldier Posted December 8, 2005 Report Share Posted December 8, 2005 (edited) Before you throw around words like "immature", first look at yourself. God has to constantly intervene into your life 24 hours a day to stop all bad things happening for you to believe he exists. Is that a mature attitude towards God? Edited December 8, 2005 by sSebB Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aSoldier Posted December 8, 2005 Report Share Posted December 8, 2005 And now you still are not judging? Still it's just a "simple answer"? You are doing this all along, making us look like stupid sinners who don't understand anything from this high sirituality only the Christian elite can have.. It is a bit annoying. You look young, by your profile i see that you are just 18.. so you've still seen nothing from the "real world". Still in a cocoon. You will start (like it or not) to ask some questions yourself when you begin living alone or else.. Look at Sasun, he is also a good christian, but in my opinion, his "theories" are completely different than what you hear anywhere (planets, karma etc..). He still follows God but has a different interpretation.. I have mine too... We will see yours in a few years. But please, stop being so agressive and judge like that. Interesting. Everytime you have said that I'm judging, I ask you to prove it. Surely enough, you can never give me a straight answer. Make you look like stupid sinners? All I'm doing is expressing my opinion. It is not my fault if you feel convicted, it happens all the time in the church and is only a misunderstanding. I can guarantee you, in 10 years, my faith will not change. Age has nothing to do with it, believe it or not. Everyone is different & I have already asked all my questions. Once again I ask that you post every judgmental thing I have said, and with that, an explanation for each one. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eloren Posted December 8, 2005 Report Share Posted December 8, 2005 For me it's absolutely obvious, i don't need to bring proofs. "How dare you", "You'll never find blabla, a shame", "You will go to Hell".. all these are judgments for me, you are judging instead of saying "God knows, God will judge.." Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aSoldier Posted December 8, 2005 Report Share Posted December 8, 2005 (edited) For me it's absolutely obvious, i don't need to bring proofs. "How dare you", "You'll never find blabla, a shame", "You will go to Hell".. all these are judgments for me, you are judging instead of saying "God knows, God will judge.." How dare you is a question.. "It seems you will never learn or grow to love God. That's a shame" meaning she has rejected the existence of God. Therefore she will never learn or grown to love God. It's a shame in my eyes. Where's the judgement here? I said "he is going to hell" in response the question "If he lives a good life but rejects God, where is he going?" Stop paraphrasing and twisting my words around please. Edited December 8, 2005 by sSebB Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sip Posted December 8, 2005 Report Share Posted December 8, 2005 (edited) sSebB, what sucks for you religious people is that us non religious types can't pray for you to one day hopefully see the light and realize the truth So that's why I believe you that you'll probably be stuck in your mindset forever. All I can do is hope that one day you'll wake up and see what's going on but that's all it is ... hope. On a related note (to add to what Zartonk said earlier), anyone notice how Christianity has become the "me" religion? It's all about me, me, me, my salvation my eternity ... I, I, I want to know God and end up in Heaven. It kind of seems to go against a lot of what Jesus was probably trying to convey. Edited December 8, 2005 by Sip Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aSoldier Posted December 8, 2005 Report Share Posted December 8, 2005 (edited) sSebB, what sucks for you religious people is that us non religious types can't pray for you to one day hopefully see the light and realize the truth So that's why I believe you that you'll probably be stuck in your mindset forever. The truth is something you must seek. You believe you have found it in something. I believe I have found it in Jesus Christ. The truth will be revealed when we die, so until then, I'll live my life in accordance with God. You live your life in accordance with your realization. Sound good? No, Christianity has but not even one spec of selfishness to it. Edited December 8, 2005 by sSebB Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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