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This article is significant piece I read about Armenia’s economy. I highly recommend to read and comment. I advise to start from page five since it is rather lengthy. Note his observations on Armenian Diaspora, very interesting. http://www.panarmenian.net/stickers/?diasporas_eng Lev Freinkman is a senior country economist in the World Bank, where he has been working on economies in transition since 1992. He has been covering Armenia since 1998. Before joining the World Bank he held positions with several academic institutions in Moscow, Russia. He has a degree in economics from the Moscow State University. The earlier draft of this paper was presented at the 11th annual meeting of the Association for the Study of the Cuban Economy (ASCE) in Coral Gables, August 2-4, 2001. The views presented in this paper are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect those of the World Bank".

http://www.lib.rpi.edu/dept/library/html/ArmArch/ http://www.armenianhighland.com/architectu...ronicle412.html Alla few here that are worthy. Regards

Harout jan I know you given it up but I think these are great examples (better be! I spend one hour researching on your behalf despite of my kids screaming) Harout Armavis Harout Askanaz Harout Varaz Harout Sarian

Great News! Come to think about it I am low on Kotaik and Jams manavand moshi u popoki Seriously hopfully those eighty become eight thousand very soon.If chinese can do it we can too. ES Where is my Ararat brandy!

Dear ES I think I have to define what I mean reactive. I am not using the word in traditional sense as to reacting to outside elements but using it as reacting to outside world as excuses for personal failures, inactions etc. It is no accident that top 5% in US population owns 95% of the countries wealth and if you study their habits you will see that they are mostly proactive people. You are right this may be a slow process for our people to act but we cannot afford to wait too long. Armenia is literary empting itself out. Since independence more then a million people left the country and majority of them never to come back. I must also mention that I am not suggesting altruistic sacrifices but simple greed for personal success, which in turn would make Armenians and Armenia successful. Healthy greed can be highly effective since few of us are motivated by altruism. Regards.

Solutions and problems Human beings tend to fall in two categories reactive and proactive and how they see the reality greatly influences their behavior. Reactive people tend to project outward their insecurities and inadequateness such as blaming their failures on their childhood, parents, family genes, environment, the boss and everything and everyone except themselves. Their justification of doing nothing about these issues reflect their lock of understanding the basic human values that which one is primarily responsible for their condition. This phenomenon was prevalent during Soviet times in Armenia since the system stifled human creativity to take initiative. Everything was government’s fault. After the independence this attitude still is present among our people. Not a week passes before I read another story about the government didn’t do this or that. Proactive people see the life as their primary responsibility. They approach the problems to find solutions no matter what the condition. For them talking about problems that is outside of there realm of influence is waste of time. Have you notice most reactive people always talk about the environment, political situations knowing well that they are not going to do anything about it but it does give them the illusion that they do matter. It is a self-deception. I can spend my whole life talking about Armenian’s problems but so what, those problems are going to be solved by proactive people not reactive. You can notice this very well in businesses or leaders in corporations where most proactive people are hired to find solutions. What am I saying? Lot of Diaspora Armenians for the most part does display reactive approach to Armenia’s problems instead of proactive approach. They wait until conditions are just right for business and investments then they may act. I suggest they should be proactive and be part of the process of creating those conditions for investment. I live in a major American town and the biggest cab company in my town is owned by an Armenian whom I had the displeasure of meeting. Needless to say he is multimillionaire. He owns real state from Florida to Chili. During some business project I asked him why he does not invest in Armenia but chooses to invest in Chili. He told me conditions were not right for Armenia for investments. He told me few horror stories needless to say I was visibly upset, here is this guy with money dripping from his shoes and he talks about conditions! I told him he should at least visit the homeland so he can assess the situation on personal level instead of finding excuses. I’ll stop here. Regards and please share your views

Gapo said to the sun Today I will find a job His nakedness during interviews Only made things worst The barrage of stupid questions Were horrendously coming Like a recurring nightmare Why you? What can you contribute? What did you do last fifty years? Why did you kick the dog? Why did you punch your manager on the face? I believe Mr. Asaderian you have a temper disorder and I suggest you to see a shrink. What a gull you have to even want to apply as a dishwasher Mr. Gapo I suggest my cousin Reubenstein He came up with this new therapy Called “take it up your ass” Now do not get angry, I only try to be helpful Ok easy now, eeeaaasssy, breath sssslowly, one, two, THREE Wham, bang and he violently threw the bitch Out the window… Another interview gone wrong… Ruben S.

Ebonics for Blacks, Chinonics for Chinese, Los Amigos el englasias for Chicanos,Armonics for Armenians, Vudonics for Haitians, Mambonics for Cubans etc. Please these are just excuses for incompetence plain and simple. This not an issue between liberals or republicans but kids getting a proper education. Blacks having the race issue against them they don’t need more ammunition like slang when going to higher education or looking for a job.

I think that is a great idea! The only thing I am not sure about is whether those two things necessarily have to be mutually exclusive (maybe they have been till now). In other words, does drive for success (economical and cultural) come at the expense of abandoning the "seeking of revenge" for AG. Dear Sip and Azat Turkey is a major key for Armenia’s economical prosperity and we cannot have the AG hammering on them and at the same time have open borders and free trade. I am not suggesting abandoning the AG but suggesting perhaps finding better opportune time to deal with this after both nations builds trust and normalizes relations. Instead of wasting tremendous resources on AG both American Assembly and ANCA and others, we can redirect those resources and energies for business enterprises, training management, setting up IT technologies etc. Certainly I recommend studying Peru’s, Chili’s, Ireland’s economical turn around experiences. I am a big believer of acquiring knowledge wherever necessary to do the job. Regards for kind words

After spending good two hours serving the net on Ebonics I have come to realize the ignorance of my remark (slang) Ebonics is not a slang but phonic fusion of west African languages. Its use among African Americans is wide and in some instances the white teachers really have hard time understanding Black students. The issue was training none black teachers Ebonics so they can better understand the black students and from the kids perspective Standard English sounded like a foreign language to them according to some articles I read. This point is slightly add that considering how much inner city kids spend time watching TV which is mainly standard English. I am no way close to be knowledgeable on this subject and I suspect strong dislike Sip and others felt about the poem may have been lock of familiarity of Ebonics since they viewed the poem from a standard English perspective. I personally like the poem, it sounded like a song or a drum rhythm.

Nairi jan, I am not against Ebonics for what it is folk dialect however no studies proved that Ebonics helped the kids to perform better at schools. Please read this article. Ebonics, math scores, and the way children learn Richard "Doc" Rioux I am the product of private and public schools. I was taught by nuns, priests and brothers through high school before going on to California State University, Northridge and then to the University of Southern California. It's been well over ten years since I taught school part-time and over twenty years since I taught full-time. When I taught high school, I taught mostly history but did teach an occasional math section or two. I also taught in a junior college and a university. These experiences, in addition to raising four children of my own while married to a woman who is a marriage and family counselor and who talks about education a lot, have allowed me to reflect on how children really learn. The current debate over Ebonics in Oakland and the continuing discussion over why U.S. math scores among high school students compare so poorly to those of students in other industrialized nations of the world have raised some core issues that we should all be reviewing. It is clear by now that children are able to learn different subjects at different times in large measure as a result of their genetic propensities, biological age and social environment. As their bodies and minds develop from birth through their teen-age years, kids go through stages of growth that make them more or less receptive to certain subjects and ways of learning. Three- and four-year-olds find it far easier to learn new languages than 15- and 16-year-olds. Fifteen- and 16-year-olds in high school are far more likely to understand word problems in math than most of their younger counterparts in elementary schools. Older kids reason better than younger kids, and younger kids have better memories for detail than older kids. Younger children tend to be more physical and visual, while older children tend to be less physical and given to more reasoned argument. As a rule of thumb, therefore, the more rote memorization there is in the earlier grades, the better children will learn. The so-called "reformists" in modern education who forced the introduction of reason too early in the teaching of math and other subjects in American schools have met with disaster. The results of the so-called "New Math" and "Fantasy Lunch" have been deplorable. Parents don't know what's going on, can't help their kids, and find most teachers frustrated by the stupidity of the textbooks they're forced to use. Young children learn best by being required to memorize poems and work out math problems with a pencil, paper and eraser. Take the calculators out of junior and senior high school. We must allow kids to use their brains to reason out problems, and give them problems to work out every night. It really bothers me when my children come home with math problems and don't have to show their work nor how they arrived at the answers. You learn math by doing problems again, again, and yet again. You can't learn Standard American English well unless you diagram sentences, know the parts of speech, read great authors, write a lot and commit poems to memory. You can't learn American history unless you know the names of the presidents, analyze the Declaration of Independence and the Constitution, and memorize the dates of major events. You can't paint a Rembrandt if you haven't mastered the skill of drawing faces. You can't get to the moon unless you can calculate the area of a triangle. This brings me to the matter of Ebonics -- a word derived from the marriage of "ebony" with "phonics" -- which members of the Oakland School Board recently used to describe the speech dialect of some Americans of African descent. No matter how I've tried to understand the logic of declaring Ebonics a language, I can't escape the view that the effort is demeaning to American children of African descent. It is one thing to "get down to it" with friends and with family members in the privacy of your own group and speak in the familial and folksy matter that permits you to identify with the cultural roots of a treasured historical past. It is quite another thing to try to elevate the folksy dialect to the level of a language because you think you are better able to reach and educate the children who use it or to justify getting federal money for doing it. I think the move for Ebonics underscores the gross misunderstanding that many politically correct professional educators have acquired regarding how children learn. The success of a child must be modeled after the best and the brightest this nation has produced, not the dumbest and dullest. American education must get back to basics and stop experimenting with every educational fad that appears on the scene. Phonics is far better than the "whole language" approach in teaching children how to read. Memorizing times tables is far more productive for an eight-year-old to do than having him try to reason why people conceived of triangles. American education is in trouble today because it has sought to substitute concern for building self-esteem in children for the basic educational skills that must be acquired in order to achieve true success in the workplace and beyond. Education remains the most important key to equal opportunity and to ultimate freedom in this country. Reaching for the highest standards of literacy must be the goal of every school-aged child. And this goal cannot be reached unless our children leave elementary and secondary school with their MEMORIES filled with math formulas, the order of the planets in the solar system, the names of all 50 states, and poems by Walt Whitman and Maya Angelou.

Nice passage Nairi Fiction and its revelance in life One can say that everything we hear, smell, feel is in the orbit of fiction processed in our minds. Between the object and the observer there is the mental process which takes place and I am certain that it is not what is exactly out there since I am a human being and therefore process the data in specific human way .For example color and sound are far more dynamic and complex and the range of their potential to hear and see is extremely limiting for humans therefore what we see is fictionalize idea of what sound, color is. Ok let’s go back to literature and the value of fiction. Dry data is extremely limiting to understand reality and its power has largely exaggerated. For example there are hundreds of books written about the Armenian Genocide and yet they have failed in large part to convey sense of empathy or understanding what took place. Dry facts like 1.5 million Armenians killed does not by itself say much but in fictionalized form, if a writer can depict and bring real life like characters caught in the times and lived the horror of it then it may be more effective in bringing the gaps between people closer. Another fictionalized work is “Shindler’s list” (the book form originally) which was lot more effective in its portrayal of the Holocaust experience then dry bare none fiction works. In generally literature fills the emotional intellectual content, which brings the bare facts to life, and without fiction the reality would become staid dry place and without poetry, fiction, understanding, empathy life would become monotonous existence. Regards to all

Zorba the Greek by Nikos Kazantzakis Great book, I read this three times at different periods in my life and still didn't bore me. I specially like the passages when Zorba talks about his contempt for nationalism. Thanks Nairi for mentioning. Sip I promise this book "Tropic of Cancer" by Henry Miller Is hilarious (I know you like to laugh) and thought provoking and is loaded with sex. What can be more entertaining?

Hi guys I am back and took all my teeth out So what do you think? Are you one of those people that claim to have a "great time" reading books? Do you read books for entertainment? Yes I do enjoy reading books. Some perspectives. 1. How did you (plural) learned to read in the first place? -Books 2. If programming is your chosen profession, didn’t you learn the codes from a book? 3. When you bought your first PC, electronic gadgets, didn’t you read the manual the little booklet? 4. Watching TV is generally considered a main stream past time and book readers generally are the minority hence not the main streamers. 5. Personally looking back at my life everything that greatly impressed me were the results of reading a great book. This process is still going on. I am reading at the present “the seven habits of highly effective people” by Stephen R.Covey and highly recommend it. Regards

To All Armenians have all the moral and legitimate rights to ask justice. To seek justice is inherited in our deepest souls and happens to be one of the highest values one can poses, and it is embedded among all religions. Having said this AG issue does have uniqueness that which its resolution may need creative or unorthodox approaches. So far Armenian drive has been focused on Turkeys denial of AG but in this process, it has become clear that our institutions are spending tremendous amount of resources and energy kicking the dead horse and in the process even further draining resources where it most needed. As a novel idea I was thinking what is the best revenge? What can we do that would transcend the pain of AG? Success! Economical, cultural success, that would empower our people to create dynamic, vibrant republic instead of standing in line in front of US embassy. ] If we only shift the radar from the Turkey’s admission of guilt to our drive for success then what can be sweeter revenge? This approach is proactive, empowering and in our control whereas AG recognition depends on Turkey. That is the major issue should we be depended on Turkeys admission? [/b No, in my view, in time Turkey will recognize the AG but not when this agenda is forcing on their throats. It is always the case weather in individuals or countries when an outside force is pushing an agenda the natural reaction is to be defensive regardless of its merits. AS long as we forcefully push Turkey on AG then it will equally deny in a similar way. Understanding Turkish history one can easily say that Turks are very coutious about any country telling them what to do even if it is in their best interests i.e. EU membership and cypress issues. Shifting the radar on our social economical problems does not mean selling out the AG but it means taking proactive self-empwerinng approach towards a difficult problem rather stagnating it for another fifty years. Sincerely Ruben

There is not a bad account of the abandonment of Kars by the Prime Minister of the Republic of Armenia of the time, Simon Vratsian (an ARF member), in his “Republic of Armenia.” True, he blames the Armenian Communists for this shameful treason – as if there was any difference, other than organizational, between the Armenian Communists and the ARF – now and then… To MJ's of this world Your personal gross comments only reflect your ignorance such as statement like Dashnak policies were the cause of Kemalist attack on Armenia. Only a total ignorant “scholar” would say such baseless inflammatory remarks without any facts to support it. I am not one of your “yes” MJ types. Show up with facts about your stupid statements or shut up! Your have not proved your statement and your half ass attempt was not adequate . There is much more difference between Bolsheviks and dashnaks then mere organizational.(only an idiot would say this) On 29 November 1920, the Russian communist army entered Armenia and took over power. As the Prime Minister of Armenia at that time, Simon Vratsian, said: "Nothing remains for the Armenians to do but choose the lesser of two evils." But if the hope of an independent Armenia was dashed, at least the coming of the Bolsheviks in Yerevan meant that Armenia would no longer suffer the dreadful shortages, and the terrible uncertainty and political instability that had racked the whole region since 1917 would be over. Few Armenians had any real idea what Communism entailed - yet most were prepared, in December 1920, to give it a try. 1921 October 13- Soviet Armenia and Turkey sign the Kars Treaty, which also entitles Naxichevan to Azerbaijan The main point is your reckless comments on ARF do not have bases but serve as a personal vendetta stem from ignorance to serve interests not of Armenians but her enemies. Do you have a bone towards ANCA? They do a mighty job of lobbing in Washington on Armenian issues. The question is what have you done to our nation other then bushing our organizations.

MJ>There has not been a battle at Kars. The city was abandoned without a single shot. That is a treason committed by the ARF against the history of the Armenian Nation. Kars was last not due to Dashnaks policies or conspiracy but because of the treaty of Brest-Litovsk orchestrated and executed by the Bolsheviks! 3 March, 1918: The Peace Treaty of Brest-Litovsk Article III. The territories lying to the west of the line agreed upon by the contracting parties which formerly belonged to Russia, will no longer be subject to Russian sovereignty; the line agreed upon is traced on the map submitted as an essential part of this treaty of peace. The exact fixation of the line will be established by a Russo-German commission. No obligations whatever toward Russia shall devolve upon the territories referred to, arising from the fact that they formerly belonged to Russia. Russia refrains from all interference in the internal relations of these territories. Germany and Austria-Hungary purpose to determine the future status of these territories in agreement with their population. Article IV. As soon as a general peace is concluded and Russian demobilization is carried out completely Germany will evacuate the territory lying to the east of the line designated in paragraph 1 of Article III, in so far as Article IV does not determine otherwise. Russia will do all within her power to insure the immediate evacuation of the provinces of eastern Anatolia and their lawful return to Turkey. The districts of Erdehan, Kars, and Batum will likewise and without delay be cleared of the russian troops. Russia will not interfere in the reorganization of the national and international relations of these districts, but leave it to the population of these districts, to carry out this reorganization in agreement with the neighboring States, especially with Turkey. March 12- By Chekhengel’s orders, Kars is given to the Turks. Policies of Transcaucasian Federation's government resulted in loss of Kars. The chairman of Transcaucasian Federative Democratic Republic's government Mr. Chkhenkeli ordered Lieutenant-General Nazarbekov, commander of the Armenian corps, hand over the city to the Turks without fight for all that the general himself was categorically against that decision as his armies had a real opportunity to repel Turks' attack and to keep Kars fortress area for more than a month. The objections of the commander of the corps were rejected, and the city and the fortress of Kars that had all resources to stand against the enemy at least for a month was given up with almost no resistance. MJ I do question your loyality!

Some general perspective is desperately needed. Some Armenians continuous bushing of ARF fail to understand the obvious that no Armenian organization was mistake free!!! All of them played one against the other and the ultimate victim became our homeland. Same attitudes now, trashing ARF and then talking about unity is equitable wolves talking about protectors of sheep. What is the deference of ARF bushing Turks or Armenians? They both work against Armenian interests. One has to question the motivation of MJ for his inflammatory comments. Why would an Armenian want to divide our people unless he may not serve Armenian interests to begin with? MJ you are full of prejudice and you remind me of a horse with blinders and only see the front. Take your lectures on ARF elsewhere! You do nothing but divide our people further. I suggest you to join the Grey wolves; they hate ARF also with a passion.

Definitely, just like before the Genocide, in our days, too, there is a generation of well-educated young Turks of new quality, to assume the role of the saviors of their contemporary empire. The question is how different are these young Turks from the Young Turks. While some may be different, others manifest themselves as not being different at all - the some speeches of brotherhood and civility, human rights and high morals. However, the same arrogance and the same fundamental half-heartedness in their attitudes towards the others - the non-recognition of their rights. I stand by what I wrote. After you establish the young Turks thinking pattern then you clearly link them to present Turks. Another point, stop vomiting on ARF. Saying Kemalists attacked Armenia because of ARF policies was the stupidest thing I read on this forum then you continue your tradition of bushing the ARF. First of all can you prove to this forum your Kemalist theory? FACTS?! (At this time I careless about your opinions.) PS you must amnesiac after vomiting on this thread then you call for civility? How about apology?

The point was raised that Georgia and Azerbaijan have full diplomatic and business relations with Turkey and this factors did not contribute to the economical prosperity in these countries. Both of these countries did not succeed yet economically because of civil wars and extremely high level of corruption therefore Turkey’s absence to this equation would have made these countries even more economically despaired. Turkey is one component to Armenian economical prosperity but one that hold the key for smooth integration to global economy.

Your basic argument that young Turks betrayed their principals of brotherhood, social equality etc. and turned against Armenians in the beginning of last century hold true for the present as well has serious flaws. This hypothesis does not take consideration of many factors, which I will bring forth. · Turkey has made strides to westernize it however short it falls from western principals nevertheless it is no way even remotely close to the mentality of young Turks. Kurdish civil rights should be looked from the activities of PKK as well. I do not justify the Turkish measures to suppress the Kurdish culture and rights however Turkey is moving towards lifting those restrictions. In perspective it is noteworthy to mention US treatment of its Arab citizens by profiling and jailing them for mouths without a trial. · Turkey is a NATO member and as such it’s continued reliance on US and other NATO members does significantly cut it’s national ambitions of expansionism hence Armenia has nothing to fear from Turkey as far as a military threat is concerned. · Turkey’s continued financial difficulties only reinforces the fact that IMF and Banks do have a significant influence on Turkey’s ambitions furthermore global economy dictates peaceful coexistence of countries in specific regions hence the leading economists have successfully demonstrated that to become a viable and economically self efficient the countries must open up their markets and this can not be done between conflicting nations. Regards to all

Dear Sas,I agree Ter Petrosian did try to open the gates but the timing was not on his side. Turkey now desperately wants to join EU and her economy is in shambles. I believe with EU pressure including IMF would give the Turks opportunity to reconsider their rigid stance. It is no secret that Turkey is much more concern about the international recognition efforts since the latest successes in this area does make Turkey to act very defensively. I believe we at some point must prioritize our issues. Do we want capital investments and strong viable country or we want to see longer lines in front of US embassy. This is a critical issue. Do we continue our default policies indefinitely without any positive change(at the risk of white genocide) or we do shock therapy. I believe we need shock therapy .

Nairi Jan, open trade with Turkey is not just my opinion but the aim of our government as well. There are serious talks going on at this time in this regards. ARMENIAN, TURKISH TRADE MAY RISE TO $1 BLN The restoration of transportation routes between Armenia and Turkey will enable trade to rise to as much as $1 billion a year, Aram Vardanyan, president of Armenia's Union of Industrialists and Entrepreneurs, told Interfax. Based on official statistics, trade between Armenia and Turkey did not exceed $50 million - $60 million a year in 1998-1999, although the actual figure is probable closer to $150 million. Much of the trade between the two countries is shipped through Iran and Georgia and is classified as trade with those two countries. Reopening auto and rail links with Turkey will make Armenia a transit country and open up convenient new routes to the Mediterranean and Black seas, particularly a direct route for high-tonnage items, such as output from Armenia's mining and chemical sector. The next step would be to unblock the rail link between Azerbaijan and Armenia, which would revive transportation links between Armenia and the Caspian and Persian Gulf regions. It will substantially increase Armenia's role in international transportation programs, particularly TRACECA. Armenia’s trade policy Armenia has reiterated that its main target in foreign policy is "progressive integration into EU models and standards". A high-level inter-ministerial commission on PCA implementation, under the aegis of the Ministry of Industry and Trade, has been established and meets regularly. The work of this commission is supported by technical assistance provided by TACIS. A member of the Council of Europe since January 2001, Armenia is formally committed to democracy and the respect of human rights. Internally, Armenia adopted two main priorities to guide the development of the country: resolution of the conflict with Azerbaijan over NK and the economic and social transformation of the country within the framework of the conflict. Armenia also wants to play a greater role in regional transport and energy corridors, an ambition which is frustrated by the unresolved conflict and by the fact that, as consequence, its borders with Azerbaijan and Turkey remain closed. Recent studies suggest that a reopening of Armenia's borders with Turkey and Azerbaijan would result in a potential reduction in transport costs of 30-50% with total benefits of up to more than € 300 million. Armenia must prepare itself by adopting appropriate measures. In this respect, for example, the fact that Armenia recently joined the TIR convention will facilitate transport and trade The iPRSP confirms the existence of widespread poverty: 55% of the population are below the poverty line, of which 23% are the extreme poor; an additional 13.5% are only marginally above the poverty line. The strategy paper indicates that Armenia will have to embark on a long-term and concentrated effort to resolve these problems. The Armenian Ambassador in Brussels is Mr. Viguen Tchitechian

Originally posted by gamavor: MJ, As usual you are absolutely right. But after all who cares about turks? We should build our own house... MJ>This has been my underlying thesis throughout the two years of my presence in this forum. Gentlemen the house which you want to build needs materials and the biggest potential trading partner is Turkey and also that AG issue does relate Turkey as well? So you two perhaps don’t care about the Turks but Armenia should care if we want to “build our house”. PS I am not iterested to read crap on personnal level,stick with your themes!

Dear Ali, I suspect that you are correct on your ascertains that Armenian revolutionaries provocations were intended to get the allies involved on our behalf thus regain our independence. I also do believe that Hamidian Massacres set an ugly precedence to young Turks that Armenian problems can be addressed by eliminating the source, the Armenians. I believe something deeper is at play here that which simply transcends the Turks into the realm of human animism, which does manifest itself in times of extreme stress. Knowing what happened to Jews in Germany confirms this even more since Germans were highly cultured produced some of the best music and philosophers therefore barbarian Turks are also product of our own brand of stereotypes. It is noteworthy to mention that Armenians prospered much more under Ottoman rule then under Byzantine rule. We should not dismiss this but understand that Armenians did achieve considerable status in Ottoman Turkey and this could not happened under “barbarians”. I do not want to get into details of Armenian genocide since the picture is not complete on both directions therefore Ali should not have to defend his position and we do not have to assert ours. Ali in respect to Nairi I think you should keep the doors open for communication. If we do not air out our frustrations and grievances then we would not get anywhere. Nairi jan I believe good intentions produce good results. If we continue chastising Turkey indefinitely without any real results then we should change our outlook. There were some cultural exchanges between Turkish and Armenian journalists and Armenian classical orchestra was received very well there with standing ovations. I am sure there are many more examples but there needs to be much more done. Situation is very similar between Jews and Palestinians and without reduced hostilities nothing would bare fruit. The Armenian genocide is not an easy issue to tackle therefore I am in the frame mind that its value to our future should be assessed objectively and not emotionally. Regards