MJ

I don't understand why was the German miitary anti-Armenian? What was Armenians' weight or importance for the German military to be "anti-Armenian?"

Indeed, Arpa. Margaryan was/is(?) one of the most regarded astrophysicists of the last century - well known outside Armenia, and less known in Armenia - guess why... he is almost like a legend in astrophysics. Few words about Rouben Hambartsumian: He has been a relatively well regarded Probability Theory specialist in USSR. However, in Armenia his credentials have always been questioned, and it has been considered that he has gotten free ride on daddy's shoulders - especially, when he became Candidate of the Academy of Sciences of Armenia (Tghtakgits Andam). I think he still should have joint appointment at Yerevan State University and the Institute of Mathematics of Academy of Sciences in Yerevan. Edit: Forgot to say that Rouben is Voctor's son. [ January 03, 2003, 02:32 PM: Message edited by: MJ ]

quote:Originally posted by MosJan:--- MJ jan same way our Armenians are abusing the Armenian national flag – You can find many products - that have our Armenian flag on it. Do any of this manufacturers pay royalties to Armenia ??? Movses, Isn't it time that they do?

quote:Originally posted by Sip:The way I look at it, just by putting that symbol, he IS referencing Armenians ... so I really don't see the problem here... and I guess a lot of Armenians would just buy the product based on that fact alone ... that the symbol is on there. Oh, and they got good yoghurt smilies/drool.gif By the way, MJ, how can you possibly sue for copyright infringement? Who owns the copyright for sansuntsi davit? It's so old that I guess that law doesn't apply to it ... does it? Sip, Not surprisingly, you fail to understand it yet another time. I am not trying to win the case. I am pointing at a way for Hamid to "lose it." BTW, he claims that he had bought the store from an Armenian, and the image on the can was already there. (Might you know who he was?) As far as the 'wisdom' of the turkey is concerned, as the Russian proverb goes, "if a man is an idiot, it is for long time."

quote:Originally posted by THOTH:Don Q - out to save the world! LOL. Actually all kidding aside - get the Bastard! For his nasty attitude alone. One question though - just who owns the copyright (in the U.S.)? - I have this on my wall at home as a poster - I wonder if the Church bookstore where I bought it (or where they got it) has any copyright etc? In any event you should call him back and ask him if he has ever heard of ASALA - Armenians may be nice & friendly & all - but you do not wish to occur their wrath ...tell him that you could make trouble for him...funy - he threatened to kill you - LOL. And who would you be, Thoth? Sancho P. ? I don't know who owns the copyright of the image in US. I will find out from an attorney what is the procedure. As far as ASALA is concerned, I think by know you should have known what do I think about THOSE clowns.

We have bought Sour Cream from a distribution company called Golchin. HTe product is called Golchin Plain Yogurt. It has about 10 flags on it, including Iranian, Lebanese, Israeli, etc. No Armenian flag or reference. However, It is using the image of Sasuntsi David monument in Yerevan. I called the owner (see info below) and I very politely requested that he either removes the symbol or properly references it. He said he will not do it, and I should be happy that he is using our symbol. He says he has bought the store from an Armenian and the symbol was already on it. I asked him to remove it nevertheless, or to properly reference it. He refused. Then I said I will sue him for copyright violation, to which he replied, "Go ahead, I will double sue you, and I am Muslim, my name is Hamid, and I will kill you." I am thinking to filing complain with the police department in Glendale, unless he agrees to remove the symbol. Anyone wants to join? Iranian shopping, dating, business services, voice chat, music ... - ... 6030. Overseas Food Distribution, Inc - (Golchin) Sylmar , CA 818-896-6127. Q. MARKET & PRODUCE, INC. - Q. MARKET & PRODUCE, INC. ... http://www.irnol.com/subpage.php3?SID=1105

Thoth, I am not motivated enough to argue about it. Whatever is relevant in the New Testament, more or less everyone agrees on. What people argue about is on things which have no relevance or are conveyed through the oral tradition and outside the scripture.

Elly, "Qnqush" is best conveyed by the word "tender," I think.

quote:Originally posted by EZ: By the way, MJ, why don't I get offered a job in your new government? I hope you're not discriminating this Dutch girl. Dear Elly, I had you in my mind. You would be perfectly suitable for the position of Ambassador of Armenia in the Netherlands. But since I didn't garner enough support for my campaign, I decided not to make my plans for you public.

quote:Originally posted by alpha: Vazgen Manukyan split from the rest of HHSH in early 90s and is backed mainly by Soviet era intellectuals. Since he doesn’t have significant financial resources I think his campaign will falter in early stages. Dear Alpha, I would like to think that you are kidding, here.

quote:Originally posted by THOTH: quote:Originally posted by MJ: quote:Originally posted by THOTH:Well to me even the belief is extreme. The following is from Fadii's first link: Five Points of Fundamentalism Formulated by the 1895 Niagra Bible Conference as necessary standards of belief: 1. Inerrancy of Scripture 2. Virgin Birth of Jesus Christ 3. Substitutionary theory of the atonement 4. Physical resurrection of Christ 5. Christ's imminent bodily return to earth I admit my ignorance as to what #3 is - but I certainly consider all of the rest to be extreme (and fundemnetally (!) irrational) belief... I am not surprised. However, speaking of Christianity, that is what Christianity means and not wearing a khackar on one's chest. One either believes in Christ as a Savior or doesn't. There is no such thing as believing a little bit. And if one says he is Christian but doesn’t mean all of the above, he/she is cheating himself/herself. Yeah - and I guess thats what #3 means - OK maybe not extreme - but certainly worthless (IMO) - LOL...IMO it assumes that God is evil - bent on punishing etc and should be opposed. (so I'm glad he doesn't exist). Anyway - aside from perhaps #3 - I don't see why any of the others are necessary per se - and I think are (again) fundemental (!) points of disagreement among various sects. And in fact your perporting that these are necessary prooves my point...[/QB]I don't know what you are referring to. My comments had not been focused at #3, and I wouldn't like to argue about it unless you can precisely formulate your argument. Nor I wanted to make an argument out of the rest of the statements. What I am trying to convey is that any religion, if properly resonating with people, is a form of fundamentalism - by definition. Either you believe in it or not. Religions also imply cultural following. One may be associated with one or another religious culture, but it wouldn't make them believers.

quote:Originally posted by THOTH:Well to me even the belief is extreme. The following is from Fadii's first link: Five Points of Fundamentalism Formulated by the 1895 Niagra Bible Conference as necessary standards of belief: 1. Inerrancy of Scripture 2. Virgin Birth of Jesus Christ 3. Substitutionary theory of the atonement 4. Physical resurrection of Christ 5. Christ's imminent bodily return to earth I admit my ignorance as to what #3 is - but I certainly consider all of the rest to be extreme (and fundemnetally (!) irrational) belief...[/QB] I am not surprised. However, speaking of Christianity, that is what Christianity means and not wearing a khackar on one's chest. One either believes in Christ as a Savior or doesn't. There is no such thing as believing a little bit. And if one says he is Christian but doesn’t mean all of the above, he/she is cheating himself/herself.

quote:Originally posted by THOTH:Wrong. Fundementalism is (IMO) a version of extremeism. [/QB] Fundamentalism is not necessarily a form of extremism. Additionally, the extremism, on its own, is not necessarily a bad thing. The belief is not ever extremist. The conduct may be, however. It is similar to saying, "being pregnant is bad, but being a little bit pregnant may be OK." There is no such thing as being "a little bit pregnant."

Speaking of PhilArmenia, I must say again: Nice silence.

quote:Originally posted by THOTH: So you strike out again...sorry to burst your bubble there... I think not. My point was (which I understand was not well taken) that some of the Christian fundamentalist who you compared with Tigraness, were some of the most beautiful and tolerant persons that I know. Your reposnse to me, above, does recognize it to a large degree, however you drift at it again, later. Their bastardization is a manifestation dishonesty - by the political functionaries or the people who have no clue what they are talking about. BTW, why have you developed such a defensive syndrome, lately?

That's OK, Elly. I have decided to remove my candidacy in the upcoming elections. BUt I will be back.

Thoth, Have you ever met Christian fundamentalists in real life?

I just found that the package of 100% whole wheat stone ground sesame crackers I have bought today is produced by the Ak-mak Bakeries of Soojian family of Sanger, CA (apparently it has been established in 1893). It refers to the crackers as "Original Armenian Cracker Bread." It even has the Mt. Ararat on the package. So, "ac-mak" it is - original Armenian bread.

I found the material below, which has some [indirect] relevance, I think, to the subject of this thread: " Eurasia Insight: ARMENIAN EX-OFFICIAL ON TRIAL FOR "SPYING FOR TURKEY" Emil Danielyan: 11/05/02 An Armenian scholar and former diplomat is standing trial on the unprecedented charge of spying for Turkey. Although the trial has exposed many previously unknown facts concerning the suspect’s activities, it has produced no evidence of treason. Murad Bojolian, 52, who once held a senior post at the Armenian Foreign Ministry, is the first Armenian to face such an espionage charge. Bojolian categorically denies engaging in espionage. His lawyer, Hovannes Arsenian, has dismissed his prosecution as a "farce." Bojolian's trial opened in Yerevan on October 24. The official indictment alleges that the defendant provided the Turkish intelligence service, MIT, with a broad range of information about Armenia and Nagorno-Artsax. "Since 1998, Murad Bojolian has collaborated with that organization's network of agents, most of whom operated under the guise of journalists," state prosecutor Avag Avagian said. According to the prosecution case, a Turkish agent posing as a Moscow correspondent for the official Turkish Anadolu news agency recruited Bojolian. The state also alleges that Mehmet Ali Birand, a prominent Turkish television commentator who has visited Armenia on several occasions over the past decade, is also an MIT operative. Birand interviewed Armenian President Robert Kocharian in January 2001, during his last trip to the Caucasus state. Whether Kocharian knew that he is talking to a person seen by his special services as a Turkish spy is not known. Bojolian, who was born in Turkey and immigrated to Armenia with his family in 1963, argues that there was nothing illegal or unpatriotic in his contacts with Turkish journalists. He began dealing with them in 1992, in his capacity as head of the Turkey desk at the Foreign Ministry in Yerevan. Later on, after his resignation from the ministry, Bojolian would occasionally work as a fixer for Turkish correspondents that traveled to Armenia on assignment. In 1996, for example, he translated then-President Levon Ter-Petrosian's interview with Birand. Shortly afterwards, Bojolian, who holds a doctoral degree in Turkish affairs, obtained a part-time consultative job in the presidential administration. At the same time, he wrote analytical articles about Turkey for Armenian newspapers. In a court testimony November 4, the defendant said that he became a freelance correspondent for the Anadolu agency in June 1998 after being fired from the presidential staff and becoming mired in debt. He said he stopped writing for Anadolu in January 1999 because the latter declined his request for a $100 pay increase. Bojolian later worked with the private Turkish television network NTV. During this period he occasionally earned extra income by selling goods in a Yerevan market, and periodically traveling to Istanbul to buy cheap clothing for resale. Friends and acquaintances say Bojolian, his wife and three children lived modestly in recent years. In trying to prove that Bojolian engaged in espionage, prosecutors presented evidence that he received training from Soviet military intelligence, or GRU, in the 1970s for possible war-time operations on Turkish territory. Bojolian confirmed that he joined the GRU "on patriotic grounds." In addition, he declared that between 1995 and 1996 he secretly cooperated with the Armenian Ministry of National Security, which is now backing the prosecution against Bojolian. His chief duty for the ministry, he said, was writing analytical reports on Turkey and about specific Turkish journalists and entrepreneurs who visited Armenia. In an October 30 report by the Noyan Tapan news agency, Bojolian suggested the espionage case is motivated in part by jealousy over his ability, while a diplomat, to establish good working relations with his Turkish counterparts. Bojolian claimed that on several occasions he was instrumental in achieving diplomatic breakthroughs, including a 1992 deal in which Turkey provided grain to Armenia on credit. “According to the defendant, many times when he managed to successfully resolve issues with Turkey, some employees at the Foreign Ministry did not like that,” the Noyan Tapan report said. Soon thereafter, rumors began spreading that Bojolian was spying, and in August 1993 he was asked to resign from the diplomatic service, the report said. Some observers suggest that the Bojolian case may have a connection to domestic political maneuvering in advance of the upcoming presidential elections in February. One theory holds that the incumbent president, Robert Kocharian, is trying to discredit his predecessor and potential 2003 rival, Levon Ter-Petrosian, as Bojolian served as the former president’s translator. The state has so far called only five witnesses in the case. None of the witnesses has provided testimony to substantiate the charge against Bojolian. Three of the witnesses are Turkish nationals identified as exiled members of the Kurdistan Workers' Party (PKK), a rebel group outlawed in Turkey. The three Kurds are said to have lived in Yerevan until recently. Their written testimony, read out in the court, did not endorse official claims that Bojolian had also been instructed by MIT to report on possible PKK presence in Armenia. So far the prosecution has not presented any documentary evidence substantiating its accusations. Arsenian, Bojolian's lawyer, believes the state does not have any. But, he adds, in a country where courts rarely rule against the state, a lack of evidence does not necessarily assure the acquittal of his client. Editor’s Note: Emil Danielyan is a Yerevan-based journalist and political analyst."

quote:Originally posted by sen_vahan:MJ... Dorogoi Jack-in-the-box, Nadeyus' chto so vremenem naidiesh' svoe mesto v zhisni. Do pasmotrish', i chelovekom stanesh' - zhizn' polna neohizdannostiami.

quote:Originally posted by sen_vahan: MJ, Xvatit vipendrivat'sya, kagdiy raz oshibki dopuskaesh'. Luchshe pereydi na armyanski i ne muchay sebya i ne mozol' mne glaza svoey negramotnost'yu. A za zabotu o moem sostoyanii spasibo, vse ge ne budu golosovat' za tebya Dorogoi, Vipendrezh mogu preostanovit' pri uslovii chto moim redaktorom stanesh' - vsegda budesh' chistkoi moikh textov zanimat'sia pered tem kak predstavliu ikh pko vnimaniu publiki - sort of "mj's jack in the box." A kanditaturu svaiu ya naverno snimu - mi staboi ne takie eshche vershini budem pokarat' - me and my jack-in-the-box..

quote:Originally posted by Twilight Bark:

TB, I don't know what you are saying and have very little time for nonsense. You were saying...?

Dear TB, I don't know what you were saying above, but whoever is interested in whatever debates, I may propose you holding their hand and taking them to their high school debate club.

I just came home. HAd a long day. I am really tired tonight.