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Those were great !!! Here's another one: An Engineer, a mathematician, and a computer scientist were riding on a train through England. At some point they were all looking at a field full of sheep, one of which was black and caught the attention of all three ... All of a sudden, the Engineer said: "Oh look, they have black sheep in England!" The mathematician paused for a second and responded: "No, There exists at least one sheep in England with one side that is black." ... at the same time the computer science guy jumped in the middle of the conversation screaming: "Look, a Special Case, a Special Case!!!!"

Wow! Domino's prediction comes true !!! I am trully impressed (note he didn't say what genocide in the beginning) ... Hey Domino, do you have any tips for me for the next California Super Lotto? Turkish PM accuses Israel of 'genocide'

Well, it looks like the Turks aren't so buddy buddy with the Jews anymore !!! Turkish PM accuses Israel of 'genocide'

I think he guy probably says "I pick the one that's in the bag" and takes out one ball ... ---- Harut, if the other 2 people were me and Azat, we would not say anything even if there was a black ball on your head. Then it would be really funny to see what happens to your "very smart" head after you guess wrong !!!

We Americans think that NBA basketball play-offs are around the corner, gas (fuel) is at a pretty stable price, people who went to Oscars wore very nice dresses, and it's time to do the taxes. Unfortunately, we don't think untill it's too late. The "news" here sucks! Of course they always show the shocking images of a palestenian who blew himself up killing innocent people ... oh how horrible ... how can they do this ... But they never show or talk about the FULL story

Yah, I've heard men talk about their "carrots". But they all usually agree what a "carrot" really means. Doesn't matter where you go ... they always talk about the size, shape, color of their "carrots". It never stops. But in my experience, they always understand each other and there is NEVER any argument on what "the carrot" is. PS: I deeply appologize for this amazingly dumb comment but I had to get it out of my system. But in all seriousness, that is one subject that all men understand, doesn't matter where you go. LALA jan, ko angleren e miankamits shat lavatsav!

quote:Originally posted by Harut:sorry for posting too many times in a row, and off the topic... but it seems that now we can post hyperlikes without using the URL feature. you just type it like this: http://www.armenians.com/forum We also have this feature called "EDIT" ... feel free to click above your post to edit it.

Twilight: I have to admit it is a quite interesting way of looking at things. After all, I am here to see and learn those perspectives otherwise, I wouldn't be here... wondering what is trully "valuable" in life. You actually hit the nail on the head with usefulness of technical papers and professional contributions especially in this field which I am in. Things become obsolete in days and months rather than in years and centuries as in other sciences! It is very exciting times for sure and it is easy to get caught up in the frenzy as I have been ... although I don't consider myself in the mainstream of anything as you claim ... but I admit that forgetting/ignoring things that have existed and matured for ages is not necessarily very smart (i.e. looking only ahead).

Sounds excellent! Just watch those French people ... hope they won't be on a strike as usual (your bags may decide to stay a few extra days in Paris so have the really important stuff in your carry-ons) Bon Voyage and have a great time.

quote:Originally posted by Lala:I am first time in Hye forum. And I have some questions about Love... (Sorry for my mistakes, I don't know English well). 1. Who beleve in suddenly love? 2. Is here somebody who know what is it love? 3. Did you ever love someone by really love? I am looking for your answers...Thanks This is my first time in Hye forum and I have some questions about Love... (Sorry for my mistakes, I don't know English well). 1. Who believes in sudden love? 2. Is there someone here who knows what love is? 3. Did you ever really love someone? I am looking for your answers...Thanks. Explanations: "I am ..." Ko asatse chisht er ... bayts aveli chisht e vor ases "This is my ..." Yete "and" es ghortsatsum, naxadasutiune chi verjanum. Who believes in sudden love ... Anglerenov padahum e vor asen "Do you believe in Love at first sight?" (im kartsikov, neun hartsen e). Kam: "Who believes in love at first sight?" Ed "is there someone here" mikitch djvar harts e! Anglerenum, shad jamank "is there" ov en harts dalis. yete ays deghi masin es uzum imanal, hartsnum is "is there ??? here" Yerb vor "who" es ghortsasum, bidi "knows" gres (3-rd person). (I know, you know, he knows). Who-n he-i nman e. Hartsi jamank, "is" e grvum a naxadasutian verjin. Orinak: "Do you know what time it is?" "It is 5 pm". (Harts, padasxhan). Ed 3-rd hartse, mikitch djvar er sarkel. Lev chem karoghanum haskanal inch er ko midke. [ April 03, 2002, 03:17 AM: Message edited by: Sip ]

quote:Originally posted by Twilight Bark:... I would like to invite you to observe your "individuality" and see how much of it is really "yours", and how much of it is actually worthwhile.... Ok, let me tell you some examples of my individuality in order to be clear. The current CD which is in my truck's CD player has 4 songs by Harout Pamboukjian, 3 songs by Garth Brooks (very famous US Country singer for those who don't know), several Euro/techno tracks, a couple of German Rock songs (RAMSTEIN), and a few SOAD tracks (I just love that CD). I am currently a fairly active member on 2 discussion boards ... this one and www.zr2.com which is purely a mechanical/4x4/offroading board. Many of the people there are as American as you can get! I am truely enjoying my time spent in both places and definitely think it's 100% worth while (otherwise, I wouldn't do it!). I go to many offroading trips with some of these people that are extremely nice individuals. Some of the people there are probably the most friendly, enlightened, and knowledgable people I have ever met. Some of my "Armenian" friends, would never consider hanging out with those people ... calling them rednecks, outsiders, whatever. They make fun of me for listening to country music and enjoying off-roading. But I also hang out with my Armenian friends going to different trips because I also find a lot of value in spending my time that way. So what collective am I a part of (or in danger of becoming a part of)? The way I see it, I am defining my "individuality" as I go on, without trying to fit in a certain mold passed down from my supposed ancestors who lived in a completely different time than I. Yes, I agree that I am in danger of losing my "Armenian" identity. But as I said above, I don't think I will lose my individuality or become a member of the "Borg" as you claim. So far, no one has been able to explain it to me, why is it important to keep that specific identity ... why is it so wrong to change, adapt, and go on with the times?

Yes shat urax klinem vor oknem anglereni hartserov ... yete harts unes asa! Yete kuzes, mib ban gri yev menk ke ughenk ... (im kartsikov, amenits lav tzeven e lesu sovorelu hamar)

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quote:Originally posted by Domino:The only true love is the fealing you have for your computer. Which one? I have 4 computers at home and 3 at UCLA. Sometimes they get jealous of each other ... But I can only spend time with one of them at a time. They almost all get very jealous when I spend too much time with the PDA though.

Ok I think we are slowly getting to the root of the argument. I understand what you are saying Thoth. I have heard that eskimos have several different words for ice. I fully appreciate "local" needs for language variations due to environment, specific ways of life, etc. The AI language you are thinking of is LISP which can (and is) programmed in C (the compiler)!!! Yes, a specific language may have a certain word to describe a complex situation that would require pages to explain in the other language (so there is definitely the efficiency/practicality argument). However, I think the argument I am trying to make is that "... also serve purposes - if only to remind us of our families and heritage ...": I don't see much value in that at the moment. Why do I have to remind myself of my families and heritage? Isn't it just enough to have the basic morals and values that are enough to lead a meaningful life? Have I become too Americanized, or computerized? Maybe

quote:Originally posted by Twilight Bark:... "Should" is too strong a word. You preserve your language and the elements of the culture relevant and important to you, wherever you are. If you don't care, you don't. I want to hand over the most beautiful aspects of my ancestral culture to my offsprings. . I completely respect that. Not saying what you should do (I hope I was clear above). What I meant with that statement is that preserving things in Diaspora is not very easy nor likely (except in little Armenia type places) ... unless there is a huge effort made (but then you have to think what is the benefit and what is the cost). Some claim loosing "tribal identity" is an amazingly huge cost ... I don't necessarily agree. quote:Originally posted by Twilight Bark:If you don't have such a desire, you don't need to. Please feel free to join the Borg collective. It is not so much of a collective I want to join as it is having "my own" values, culture (As Vahan pointed out), etc etc. I am not saying I want to abandon individuality (completely the opposite). I am just saying that I don't personally care much for roots, tribal identity, history, where I come from, what happened hundreds of years ago, etc. I only care about what is ahead. I realize it is considered wrong to think this way according to traditional views ... but never-the-less, at the moment, I think this way!

quote:Originally posted by THOTH:... Think about it. (perhaps even use an analogy with computer languages - can all things be (practically) programed in only one computer language? Might there not be a need for specialized "languages" or applications...etc? Amazingly enough no! All current computer languages fall in the category of "context free" grammars. This means that they are all equivalent. Anything that can be done (expressed) with one language , can be done (expressed) in any other in this class (context free). ... of course some implementations put specific restrictions on things you can and cannot do, but I am talking about languages themselves (what can and cannot be expressed). Now with context sensitive and more complex forms of languages (such as English, Armenian, etc) things are more complicated. To explain context sensitive ... just imagine when I say: "It's cold" ... you usually understand what I am saying since the context is usually weather. But a computer would not understand that language unless it had a very specific definition of "it". Anyway ... So far I have been exposed to several human languages. I am fairly fluent in Farsi, Armenian, English, and used to be in German. I don't believe that I "think" in a particular language. But I totally agree that inability to communicate severely hinders the inability to think. Right now, I am most fluent in Enligh. I have not encountered a situation where I can express something in one of the other languages and not in the other (the only times it has happened has been due to my knowledge of the language). Maybe that shows some limits on my side but at this moment, I don't think that's the case. I think most modern languages are complex enough for most human communication needs. Maybe we can't express every single detail in our mind but I don't think that is too important. [ April 02, 2002, 04:57 PM: Message edited by: Sip ]

quote:Originally posted by sen_vahan:...Sure. Once we got an agreement in something with each other i am not going to argue any more. I'm melted. And I like your Armenian way of thinking:) Wait wait wait ... how can we agree on something if we both have Armenian way of thinking? I thought all Armenians disagree with each other ALL the time! quote:Originally posted by sen_vahan:Sometimes I do not realise why people try to globalise everything? Where this cosmopolitism comes from? Chem haskanum... Good question. I really see things headed in that direction. It is very scary to some to lose "tribal identity" but I would trully want to see a single global identity at some point (probably it is very far in the future). I think the communication revolution which we haven't seen yet (but it's comming, believe me!) will really change things drastically. Just look at what happened to computers in the past 20 years ... they only doubled in performance every 18 months and we have such amazing revolution. Well, communication and fiber optics have continued to improve with a factor of 10 in the same periods ... we still have no idea what we should expect in 50 years! It is going to be trully amazing.

quote:Originally posted by Twilight Bark:Well, in that case I suggest Turkish for you. It is a very structured, predictable language, almost mathematical in its structure. To really make you ecstatic, I would say that it is modular, and with a little effort can be made object oriented I don't know much about turkish. But it definitely sounds like it has the right attributes. The only problem is that I know a whole bunch of Armenians, Greeks, Kurds, and Germans would kill themselves if that language was chosen as THE ONE! Not me though quote:Originally posted by Twilight Bark:P.S. Warning: Being immersed in computers for too long can put the right side of your brain into a comfortable slumber. Granted ... I like to simplify things to the greatest extent to be able to understand them which is not always the right thing. I know it sounds like I am saying we should have one car, one software company, one type of animal, etc as you pointed out which sound completely absurd (I agree)! But that's not what I am saying. I don't see much value from one language over another. They are all basically the same in my opinon (which probably shows how little I know about languages but I don't think the average human is, or will be, a linguist) I think there should be a universal language used purely for communication. Now if there are other languages for programming, for poetry, for theater, etc, that's fine. If people want to buy different sports cars, 4x4 trucks, etc that's fine. But they should all be be aware of that single common language. By the way, have you noticed that all cars are operated the same way? I see great benefit in that ... if a person can drive a car, that person can drive basically any car on the planet! The cars and trucks certainly "look" different ... but in many ways they are the same. Maybe having a steering wheel and pedals is not the best way ... but it is basically a global agreement that all car makers have and they stick to it. Just imagine 10 billion people that can communicate ... directly ... without any "middle-ware". That would be really cool I think So basically, I don't think Diaspora is where Armenian "culture" (language, etc etc) should be preserved. Armenian (and the associated ways of life) should be (and will be )preserved in Armenia. [ April 02, 2002, 04:24 PM: Message edited by: Sip ]

quote:Originally posted by sen_vahan:... Because you are living in a CULTURE where you can feel free to do that. Thus becoming a part of that culture. Then I really like this culture! I stand corrected quote:Originally posted by sen_vahan:... paying taxes on time (sorry for that trivial example) is also a part of the culture. But I don't care much for paying taxes. Except for the part of getting money back which so far has happened every year. So, yes, I actually enjoy doing taxes at the "end of the year". But it is not one of those things that I identify with or something I would pass down from generation to generation as a means of keeping my identity. It's just one of those things I have to do to keep my current level of luxury (small price to pay) quote:Originally posted by sen_vahan:... Yes, right, the absense of the style is also a kind of style... Ok now I am confused. So how can one have NO style? How can one have NO culture? Are you saying it is impossible? quote:Originally posted by sen_vahan:... What if he just says to accept his way of life otherwise everything will be exterminated (but in a very diplomatic way)? Will you switch? That is a tough question. Normally, I would only switch if I see a benefit in switching to his way of life ... only if his way of life is in some sense better than my way of life. The problem here is that if I don't switch, I face extermination ... I don't know what I would do Vahan jan. It is very hard for me to imagine a situation like that in this day and age where I would have no other options diplomatic or otherwise. About the language thing: I know this is a very unpopular stance but I really think the whole world should just pick a single universal language and stick with it. I mean enough with all the different stuff. I don't care which language it is. I even think it should be a completely new language so no one thinks they were cheated! But never-the-less, I think it's about time to start ... (I know how much trouble it was to get the Euro going ... but we have to start at some point!) oh, and it better be an easy language to learn and remember. No more strange spellings, strange grammar rules, strange words. A very simple language ... maybe even a subset of English. (Ok, start flaming me now for not picking Armenian ... but you have to admit it is a very difficult language compared to modern English). Ok now to make up for my amazingly "dumb" statements above (especially on a 'hye' forum ... I think it is a great idea to have an Armenian language section. I am NEVER against learning new things and as much as possible. I would love to know as much as I can about ANYTHING. However, all I am saying is that it should be up to me to decide which language, culture, style (or lack there-of ) I want to have in life ... but of course subject to the contraints (rules, regulations, and customs) of the country I live in.

quote:Originally posted by MosJan:...Sip jan inch asir ? lav garapara che ? http://zr2.cs.ucla.edu/Sip/zr2/bigs.gifShat hoyakap midk e Mos Jan!!!!!

Wow ... everything solved already! Von Neumann was a really cool guy ... one of the founding fathers of today's computer architectures (your PC basically follows the Von Neumann Architecture) But I think the original problem had trains and a fly or a bee if I remember correctly. It is pretty funny how he summed the series in his head.

quote:Originally posted by Azat:... Don't worry about your English. Is is fine. Yes, welcome to the board! And your english definitely IS IS fine >>1. Who beleve in suddenly love? Not me. I completely agree with Azat. >>2. Is here somebody who know what is it love? Many claim to know. No one so far has been able to explain it ... this leads me to believe they don't know. They almost always start to explain it like this: "Well, love is kinda like ..." or "Well, I can't really expalin it but ..." >>3. Did you ever love someone by really love? Well, since I don't have a definition for love, this question is invalid By the way, since you are a fellow computer person, I recently had a "core dump" on the subject IN HERE (click). Keep in mind that at the time, I hadn't slept for 36 hours and the day before I only had 2 hours of sleep. I feel much better now. But you get the general idea.

quote:Originally posted by Twilight Bark:... A "preserved culture" will be as alive as a pickled cucumber. ... I was going to say something really smart but that statement made me very hungry. I am going to eat some pickles right now ... ok ... typing while munching on crunchy pickels (they are Kosher by the way) I don't care much about art, poetry, history, theater, "books", tradition, and all the other artsy-fartsy stuff which is usually associated with culture. Therefore, at this point, I also really don't care about the Armenian culture ... actually, I don't really care much about any culture. If I see something that I like, I look at it. If I hear music that I like, I listen to it. If I see food that I like, I eat it. I don't care if it is Armenian, Jewish, Irish, Chinese, or whatever. I have friends that will not listen to music they think is too "turkish" or "rabiz" or whatever other stupid reason. Basically, it comes down to I like what I like and I dislike what I dislike. Those things may or may not be Armenian (or anything else) in nature but I couldn't care less So many people have lost their lives to preserve things that is NOT funny anymore. Religion, culture, language, traditions, nationalism, are irrelevant in my opinion! Of course the above is true until some other idiot comes along and tries to force his way of life on you ... and worst of all, starts killing your family and stealing your stuff [ April 01, 2002, 09:36 PM: Message edited by: Sip ]

Technically yes. If it is a program that runs, pretending to do one thing but actually doing another, usually destructive thing, then it is called a Trojan Horse. A virus copies itself and sometimes mutates (changed its own program). But as far as sending information back, any one of those (virus, worm, or trojan) can send info back as far as I know... worm is basically same as a virus ... they used to be classified differently depending on how they existed and "reproduced" but I think the terms are being used interchangably now.