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Harut jan, the more you know the better! Down the road, it is good to concentrate on one but learn a bit of everything to get a good idea of how things work. Later on, you'll realize that VB, C++, Pascal, Java, Eifel, blah, blah, are basically the same! They all fall into the realm of "context free" languages that work great for "programming" the type of computers we have. The way you write each will seem different at first, and they all have some specific differences but basically they are the same. So I'd say learn a bit of both (or others like Java as well) and then decide which one you like. VB is great for making business like applications. C/C++ on the other hand, is more general purpose and can be used for anything, especially if you want speed. It also gives the programmer much more control (over everything) than VB. Java was geared more towards the web but now it is becomming a very general purpose language. I don't like Java much and I don't believe in it. The initial commercials sounded great but it just adds too much overhead compared to C/C++. Also, industry backing (like Microsoft) will have a big impact on what will happen to Java but the way Microsoft is pushing C# (C-sharp) and C/C++, I think they are here to stay for a while ... also remember that almost all of UNIX/Linux/Windows is written in C, so C will be here for a long long time. [ February 21, 2002: Message edited by: Sip ]

quote:Originally posted by henry: Is it worth fighting over girl, why or why not? I think it comes down to what you mean by "fighting"... it could have many meanings ... do you mean physical fight, verbal fight, on-going aggressive behavior, etc? I would think that in some instances you have to "fight" for a girl which in my mind means to try hard to win her affection and trust... this could mean many things but it does not mean to go in a direct conflict with the competition (physical or verbal). That would not work too well in my opinion and is not worth it. But to "fight" as in try hard to impress a girl by being overly nice, considerate, and sometimes aggressively pursuing a girl maybe a good thing ... I am no expert though

WOW That's got to be the coolest freaking think I have ever seen !!!! Well, maybe an armenian pocket translator could be cooler but a LEGO CUBE SOLVING machine ... think of all the fun

Go to: http://www.eboom.com/index1.htm At the top right, click on the "customer service" link. You should now see a "search bar uninstall" link. Try that If that doesn't work, in your Internet Explorer try: Tools->Internet Options->Programs tab->Reset Web Settings.

Granted, VB is not trully OOP but it follows the same philosophy. You basically deal with objects each having properties (data), methods (functions) ... on top of that you have event-based control. In my experience, people who know VB can grasp OOP much much easier than people who start off (and spend years) with pure functional languages such as C. In any case, I am not a big fan of pure OOP

At UCLA CS, they have 2 main courses: CS 31 and 32. 31 starts with basic programming with C/C++ (much like what you would do with BASIC) and then CS 32 does the OOP stuff. You won't have much trouble understanding OOP since Visual Basic is all object oriented !!! (as opposed to BASIC, QuickBasic, GWBasic, and all the older ones).

http://zr2.cs.ucla.edu/Sip/zr2/roflmao.gif That was a good one! Now that's how you're supposed to procrastinate

quote:Originally posted by Harut: i was just watching men's figur skating. Harut I am really starting to worry about you. Does ANYONE really care anything about Winter Olympics? (well, except for Harut )

quote:Originally posted by henry: ... P.S. I am into computer and I really don't think most people who're into it are ugly, actually they are smart (earn lots of money) and just for FYI: it's people who complain all the time are the ones to watch out from... "Ugly" and "smart"/"rich" are very different things! The good thing is that smart and/or rich can make even the ugliest guy very desirable (just look at good old Bill Gates). When I compare how people dress, behave, socialize, and interact, I can really see an amazing difference between the true computer science types and others... this is not counting the new crop of kids coming in because their mommy and daddy told them CS is a good way to make money and have a life (like all those kids that start off wanting to go to med school but 99% of them don't) ... I am talking about the real CS types that stick around to finish their BS and maybe even do MS. PS: I am proud to be one of them so no complaints here ... just an observation based on first hand experience (although there are always exceptions to any rule, we are trully an ugly group as a bunch ... especially at the graduate level!) ... in any case, this has very little to do with the original topic so I'll shut up now. ... well, it does help by saying where NOT to look

quote:Originally posted by LISA: Understood. It is great to know we are amongst people who can think with an unbias mind. Wait, wait, wait ... are we talking about Arthur here? I am completely confused now! Maybe this is a different Arthur that from HERE Arthur: Amazingly enough, I fully agree with you on what you said here!

Ah that makes sense. Thanks. The reason I was confused is that all other UBB boards I have been on before had the delete feature and I didn't know it was something that can be disabled.

Thanks. I just thought maybe I am missing something.

I searched and couldn't find any info on this. Is there any way to delete a post (own post)? When you edit, the top says: "Only forum leaders or the person that posted this message may edit this message (and only registered users may edit/delete posts)" ... but I couldn't find any delete option anywhere.

quote:Originally posted by nellie: 3)take her somewhere she's probably never been before. (forget the boring old dinner and coffee).... Ooooh, I can help with that one. Just refer to my original post above

It's pretty strange starting with OOP and C++ without C Maybe they'll start with the C part first. Just make sure it's an intro class and you'll be fine. [ February 11, 2002: Message edited by: Sip ]

Harut jan in CS at UCLA, I think I saw a girl back in October of 1997. Maybe there was one more after that but I can't be sure. To be totally honest, there are about 10 or 20 people that I am not sure if they are girl or guy. It is hard to tell especially when they are all chinese. It's my 8-th year here now and the best time is when the quarter just starts ... we get a few female types wondering around the halls so all CS guys are walking around and being all helpful (to direct them to the buildings that they are looking for ...) But I have to say, in general, computer science students are the ugliest, most boring bunch I've ever seen. Then again, I can't imagine being in any other major than the good old 1's and 0's

quote:Originally posted by Nvard: Lol...... I think it's vice versa No Jews no America Very true ... at least not the kind of America we know today. I was referring more to the "state" of Israel ... The jews would still find a way to survive.

quote:Originally posted by Azat: ... Lv mi qich el Sip, bayts inq@ PhD hesa stanalu, shat anushig, qaghtsrig, qnqushig, nunushig, pupushiq baner gnan ira mot dranits heto. Mi qich? Mi qich? De asa desnenk inch anushig, qaghtsrig, qnqushig, nunushig, pupushiq baneri masin es xhosum? Esa kamats kamats mazeres ke sksen tapel burris mej , por@es el kamats kamats pdi sksi metzanal , achkeres el kamats kamats pdi tuilanan ... PhDov parav mard@ inch pdi ani anushig, qaghtsrig, qnqushig, nunushig, pupushiq banneri hed ????

quote:Originally posted by LISA: Where are the questions? Most of what you stated anyone with common sense would be able to conclude, though some of it subjective where revenge and driving above the speed limit is concerned. A mother and father disciplining their child is not evil and likewise taking them for vaccine is not evil. On the flip side, a father and mother *abusing* their child where their is no ground for such is evil. Hence the term *child abuse*. I did not find anything to misconstrue. Hmmm, yeah, prisons are usually packed with evil people who are often given a chance to redeem themselves in society. Again obvious, unless someone innocent got thrown in their as a result of 'being in the wrong place at the wrong time.' Big ouch! The law says you can't drive 65 mph. Obviously speeding is not immoral. Go for it but don't cry the blues if you get nailed with a ticket. *Irresponsible*. Drinking and driving. Again employ some common sense. Not evil but irresponsible. Should your irresponsibility cause you hurt an an innocent victim you will be dealt with just punishment. Retribution of a raped family victim. There is something you will find many different opinions on. Did you guys see that movie "A time to Kill" with Samuel L.Jackson?Excellent Movie. Its based on just that. Retribution is not evil but driven by hate/hurt/pain. What I concluded from Henry's post is to esteem to be around good people with good values. I completely agree! That was exactly my point. Common sense and rational thought can almost always do a better job than simple "rules" written in some book! I am saying that people should THINK as opposed to following simple rules because they were written at some point!!! Henry says: "... anything that causes physical pain, anything that's illegal, and immoral [is evil]." As you clearly observed, it is NOT as simple as that and sometimes causing physical pain IS NOT evil (like parents disciplining kids) ... the problem is with the people that can't think clearly ... some of them are in prison, some of them are not (the prison thing is just an example)

No No No! First learn to walk then learn to run, then go for the marathon. Visual Basic is great to start. That's how I started ... actually it was the BASIC on Commodore 64 and then GWBasic and Quick Basic in Dos then Visual Basic. Those things will come later down the road. For some faster than for others ...

quote:Originally posted by henry: U want me to spell our what's evil? LOL.. emm okay let me put it this way - P.S. Use ur judgement, don't ask me any more questions. OK once again, I am using my judgement, Arthur is using his judgement, and we both come up with completely different things. I am not asking you to tell me what's evil. I am trying to tell you that I don't think it's as simple as that. quote:Originally posted by henry: anything that causes physical pain, anything that's illegal, and immoral. I may slap my child on the wrist if he did something bad. Does that make me evil? I caused him and me physical pain. I take my child to get a polio vaccine. I caused him physical pain, am I evil? The law says I can't assult or kill anyone. There is a guy who was raping my mom. I pull him off and punch him. He falls, hits his head on a rock and dies. Am I evil? The law says I can't drive faster than 65 MPH. I have a dying person in my car that has to get to the hospital so I speed. Am I evil? I won't touch the moral thing since that is a whole another thread on it's own quote:Originally posted by henry: I can't believe some people can't tell what is evil and what's not. Have you heard of prisons? Most of the people there are like that (I know, I can't believe it either but it's a fact of life) NOTE: I am not asking those questions directly to you in the hope of an answer. There is NO good answer to those questions. They are just a way to get my point accross so don't worry (and they are not directed to anyone in specific)!!!

quote:Originally posted by henry: ... everyone knows whats evil and what's not... No hug from me (yet)! Everyone will not agree on what's evil and what's not. Arthur for example says homosexuals are evil, women who have sex before marriage are evil, and Thoth is evil. He says that the Bible has all the answers and everyone should live by it. I say, pressuring people to live like me because I think I am perfect is evil. I don't think Bible has all the answers and I certainly would not stone a woman for having sex before marriage (or even for the funniest sin of all: adultery). I also don't think Thoth is evil and I find his thinking to be very logical and reasonable. So do you see the problem? We both "KNOW" what's evil and what's not but at the end of the day, we don't know $hit since we can't agree on anything. Which one of us is right?

Wow ... just fascinating! That AIDS one sent chills down my spine ... what a horrible set of messages (much like the terrorist attack ones).

Yah sorry Harut I really got carried away there! Don't worry about my blabbering too much. Main point being be patient and try and explore many things on your own ... best way to learn programming.

quote:Originally posted by Juggernaut: ... the funniest momments in my life have happened while under the influence (note: funniest, NOT happiest), and we only live once... Yah, me too. Some of the funniest moments have been when my friends get drunk and start talking (fortunately, no one is into drugs)!!! I personally don't see why people drink alcohol. I've tried it and it's nothing special. Don't get me wrong, I enjoy the occasional beer and some of those drinks that taste really good once in a while but I don't drink it for the alcohol ... just the taste or as a refreshment (cold beer on a hot LA day). I have heard people say it makes you feel good and happy! Well, I usually do feel good and happy ... and before Arthur jumps in here and calls me Gay, NO, I don't mean that kind of happy One thing that really bothers me about our "Armenian" culture is the drinking. You go to someone's house, they expect you to drink ... and not any drink .. they expect that you drink pure vodka and Kenats after Kenats that get more rediculous as time goes on! Don't get me wrong, I think it is a great tradition to sit around, eat, and toast the people we love and care about. But I think it works the same with Pepsi or Orange Juice!!! Worst of all, if you decide NOT to drink (like me), they get mad at you and try to force it in you ... they say things like "oh, what's wrong" and start taking it personally ... as if I have refused their hospitality. Anyway, sorry for the bitching but it really bothers me. The good thing now (at least in the US) is that I always have the "I have to drive" excuse! It works very well and I am glad it exists (<--- once again, no reason for that smilie but it's my favorite).