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I think Nairi was asking why is "abusive" only viewed one way? Why not just make a page with 60+ million "I am sorry" messagse on it ... one for each Turk? I'm sure that will make things better. Of all the dumb-ass things I have seen, this changing "abusive" messges from Turks to "I am sorry" has got to be the dumbest. Isn't the whole idea of this rememberance to HIGHLIGHT Turkish stupidity? What the hell is the point if we are just going to brush their comments under the carpet and cover it up?

By the way, in case it wasn't clear from what I said, obviously I don't think "self-awareness" has anything to do with "soul". What is self-awareness and where it comes from is a very different discussion IMO.

All the fighting aside, I also don't subscribe to the abstract concept of "soul". Much like a lot of other creatures on Earth, we start from some microscopic mating of different parts, grow and develop into whatever our dna has programmed for our physical development as a species, and then die. There is never any real indication that there is any such thing as "soul" that would transcend this physical existence or any magical force that enter and leave the body. The only reason the concept of "soul" has come to be around seems to be our own superstitions and the desire to tell ourselves that we don't stop to exist at death. Some have even gone as far as claiming we reincarnate and come back to life All this, without a SINGLE shred of real evidence or proof. So again, is such a thing possible? Sure. Is it probable? Of course not. Why? Well for one thing, how often has our unproven imagination later at some point proven to have been correct about anything? Just those sheer probabilities alone should be enough to convince anyone that without scientific proof, our imaginations can get VERY wild and take us to some very stupid conclusions about the world and the realities surrounding us.

I think when I joined this forum many years ago, it was something like on page 10 of a long discussion about bread (in the religion section)

I can't comprehend why it is so difficult for some to see past their own self-interests and realize that in the big picture, it makes absolutely no sense for the US to deliberately try to piss off Turkey. This is not to say that Condoleezza is not a dumb ass ... but at least in this case I think the US is fairly justified in pushing the microscopic Armenian issue (in the current global scale) under the carpet.

vay vay vay .. Urpat gisher a ... Mos e xhorovats u konyakits heto galu a anun poxi !!!! This is going to be FUNNNNNY I can guarantee it.

By the way, I might need some help writing my Salvation testimony ... anyone have any experience who is willing to help?

WOW!!! I think I'm going to apply for a new job!!!! :lol2: :lol2: :lol2: :lol2:

Arpa, to be fair though, we get a lot more of the "I believe in God because it makes me feel good" kind compared to the "I believe in God because the Bible says so" kind. I can, to some degree respect the first group since who am I to argue what makes them feel good? But I am still not convinced Rog is serious. Actually I have yet to meet anyone who has been absolutely serious about such a literall stance on the Bible but it seems they do exist in large numbers.

Of course one explanation is God put those sedimentations there ... just like God put 1.3 million year old human fossil in Europe. Similarly, maybe it was God that 6000 years ago made Hawaii islands close to what they are now as opposed to them having developed over 70 millions years of volcanic erruptions. Rog, the problem with your stance is you are entirely biased since you start assuming the Bible is correct while the thousands and thousands of independent scientists that have come up with these dates and conclusions about the Earth were not doing it to discredit the Bible ... so you can't claim their findings are biased simply to discredit your views.

Yah of course if your last name is FROST

This is ABSOLUTE NONSENSE ... This is exactly what you sound like: "There are many that claim the Earth is round and there are many that claim the Earth is flat. Who is to judge the truth here?" or our favorite: "Many Armenians killed Turks and many Turks killed Armenians. It was civil war. Who is to judge what really happened?" Who is to judge????? How about letting THE EVIDENCE speak for itself instead of just guessing one way or another?

Where are your good answers? I have asked you several questions where you fail to provide any answers. "The Earth is 6000 years old" is NOT a good answer to any question if you are unwilling to address all the loose ends (a few I have brought up). I am more than willing to give you the benefit of the doubt and let you defend your so far absolutely unsubstantiated claim. FYI, the discussion is about the infallibility of the Bible (not whether God exists or not) and so far, you have done 0 to back up your claim about the Earth being 6000 years old or address any of my questions about dinosaurs. The one who is insulting here is YOU. How dare you dismiss these important questions as insults under the umbrella of speaking Truth?

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I think they should strap some 0.5 watt continuous RF emitters on some mice and let them run around for a couple years to see if any of them develop any unusual tumors. For the heck of it, maybe they can even cranck up the output to 1 Watt.

Ashot jan, I agree with you that feelings we have inside are different. But, we should not be "tolerant" of stupidity. At this day and age, in the 21 century, I can't think of any other way to characterize someone who will stand up and say "The Earth is 6000 years old" or "Humans and Dinosaurs existed at the same time". If such statements and the people who make them are not "stupid", then what is stupid? Is there anything that is stupid or is EVERYTHING ok when it has to do with someone's religion?

One more thing ... other than the Bible, which for being so authoritative never actually seems to mention anything about dinosaurs, how come there is not a SINGLE shred of evidence that man and dinosaurs ever co-existed? 1. Are you saying dinosaurs never existed? 2. Are you saying dinosaurs co-existed with man but perished in the flood? 3. Are you saying there were dinosaurs in the boat but somehow perished after the flood? I hope you are not going to go with #1. For the case #2, why is there no mention of such a thing ANYWHERE ... not in any folklore, any story, the Bible itself anything? Seems like it would have been a rather significant point as many dinosaurs were predatory and of course many were extremely large and rather difficult to dismiss as minor details in our environments. For case #3, where did the dinosaurs go after the flood?

I can now see how you think the Bible is infallible. If you are stupid enough to still think the Earth and humans are only 6000 years old, then yah, good luck with the Truth you find with the Bible. But don't be surprised if I call you a complete moron. Based on this, I really see no point in trying to discuss anything with you as of course you will dismiss EVERY evidence I bring forth as "teachings of science" Ashot, at least I hope you are not stupid enough to agree with Rog on this idiotic nonsense. Rog, you attribute all fossils to "the flood"? How do you explain fossils that are millions of years old? Are you seriously going to try to convince me that we are sooooooo wrong about the age of these fossils that are in fact millions of years old and that the Bible is True? Ashot, now I have a question for you ... do you think the Earth is 6000 years old? Do you think I am out of line for calling Rog an idiot, or do you think there are some statements that are soooooo stupid, that it warrants labeling those who make such statements as idiots?

Does anyone have any credible study results regarding things like "don't use your phone near your head while charging" or that "it gives brain cancer"? Or are these just myth's people like to tell each other?

Ok Rog, I think it's fair to start at kind of a high level before delving into the nitty gritty details. Since you seem to be well versed in the Bible, let me start with a few questions where I think the Word of the Lord should be fairly authoritative, accurate, and complete. So why not start on a few points on creation and move on from there: 1. When did God create humans? Is this something supported in the Bible if yes, what is it, if no, do you have a personal belief on when this might have been and why? 2. What is the Bible's stance on other creatures that have come and gone long before humans (assuming you actually believe fossil evidence). 3. Does the Bible claim God created man in his image and if so, exactly which "man" did God create in his image? Are we talking about Homo Sapien or something all the way back to Homo Habilis? Seems God shouldn't have much trouble being rather exact on this point if He in fact created it all and has passed down his word. 4. In order to get a better idea of what your beliefs about the Bible are, are you suggesting the Bible is literally the Word of God or are you allowing yourself some room for interpretation? For example the good old Noah story ... are you one of those that insist that God crammed a pair of EVERY animal in the boat or do you take that to be somewhat of a symbolizm by some rather imaginative story telling on the part of God? And if you are one of those Bible interpreters that is going to insist the Earth is 6000 years old, I think you know what my next line of posts are going to be. Hopefully you are not entirely blind to all the evidence we have of a much much older Earth with a far richer history than what is even hinted in the Bible.

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Now that's what I call a complete answer ... Good job Ahost.

Rog. first you tell me which version of the Lord's Word you believe ... like V1.0 The Old Testament. V2.0 The New Testament, V2.1 The King James Version, etc etc

And if the Bible is not the Word of God, which it obviously isn't, then I really don't have much of a problem in my life. So now we are left with the basic question: Is the Bible the word of God or not? I don't know about you but I for one would expect a MUCH higher standard for "word of God" than something as flawed as the Bible. Before we go into more in depth discussions, Rog, are you one of those that is convinced the Earth is about 6000 years old because the Bible says so? Because that is usually a good place to start analyzing this infallable Bible.