Arpa

Այո, նաեւ էդ հաւը նայում է սագին եւ փորձում նոյնքան մեծ ձու ածել,եւ ոռն է պատռում

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LgthakFtZQY&feature=related Related. When will ever learn. When will we learn. Are we BLOWING IN THE WIND- ՄԻԹԷ ՔԱՄԻ ԵՆՔ ՓՉՈՒՄ? I saw Kumayri when it was a virtual ghost city with those buildings crumbled like houses of card. http://www.huffingtonpost.com/theblog/archive/house%20of%20cards.jpg http://www.armenianow.com/sites/default/files/img/imagecache/600x400/yerevan_bulidings_earthqauke.jpg http://www.armenianow.com/news/26318/spitak_earthquake_architects http://news.am/eng/news/40692.html

Before we proceed, let us observe a moment of silence in memory of Dec. 7, 1988. That terrible and tragic day of the BIG EARTQUAKE The Article below From ArmeniaNow is quite exhaustive and very informational as to how the original name Kumayri was turkified to “kumri” and why. With one omission about the origin of the name from Cimmeria/Kimmeria/Cimmerian. Look above Post # 22. Also see who and what the Cimmerians/Kimmerians were; http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cimmerians === http://www.armenianow.com/sites/default/files/img/imagecache/600x400/gyumri-square.jpg ----- http://www.armenianow.com/commentary/analysis/26316/kumayri_alexandrapol_gyumri_renaming

Anyone know the cliche's "spin the bottle", "spin doctor" and "passing the buck"? Pres. Truman pointing to himself said - “The buck stops here” Was his family name Truman meant to mean “TRUE MAN”? Was Pres. Truman's real family name "trumian" or "tarumian? Obviously not.He was a TRUE Christian, unlike those who claim to be the "FIRST". It is easy to “pass the buck” and blame all the ills on the “soviet era”. Those days were a whole generation ago, babies born on that day are now adults with beard, moustache,having their own babies,some are soldiers at the frontlines. When we survey the statistics below , we will notice that the most corrupt societies, be they easteren Europe of western Asia , they all fall within a big circle around the Middles East. Not to forget that Armenia and Armenians are middle easterners. I have said this before, I will repeat. When a middle easterner, an Arab preface their statement by invoking and swearing in the name of god- “wallahi/and my god“, and “billahi/by my god”, you know the next sentence will be a lie. The most immediate reason I left those ME lands and migrated to these lands was I was sick and tired of having to pay "under the counter" for even a simple procedure as to obtain a student pass or a movie ticket. We compare ourselves with peoples and countries like Switzerland an Sweden. OH YEAH!!! Neither of which are middle eastern, Muslim or predominantly Catholic, not even close. We don’t even have an Armenian word for “corruption”. Is it beacuse it comes in the "same package", a fact of life that does not deserve a separate definition? Of course, we can always blame lenin/stalin and that mumbo jumbo "ras-Putin" for our ills. http://www.alexanderpalace.com/2006rasputin/p/rasputin22.jpg http://hyeforum.com/index.php?showtopic=9835&st=0&p=111432&hl=corruption&fromsearch=1entry111432 Putin turned a bankrupt country to once again a world power. Where are our "putins"? ===== My apologies for the length of the article, but I could not decide where to draw the line. http://hetq.am/en/

Yes!! I have too much time to kill. And yes I do KILL many a useless MYHTH. Was Rosemary Clooney Armenian? How is Clooney an Armenian surname? Is there a family named "klunian"? To once and for all to set the record straight about her being of Armenian heritage, just because she sang the Armenian song Come on-a My House by Wm Saroyan and Ross Baghdasarian, and that by association that her present day nephew George Clooney is also Armenian, not unlike the likes of Gregory Peck. See her biography, that she was born in an Irish-German Catholic family. Come on-a Rosie and George. Fess up and tell us that you are of Armenian heritage. Was she of Italian Heritage just because she also sang Mambo Italiano? ==== ------ One of many of her rendition of Come on a My House. Here the lyrics are clearer. ---- I had never quite deciphered the lyrics. Observe how many Armenian themes there are, like figs, dates and grapes , pomegranate, apricot, and “easta egg”. ---

Remember that the Chipmunks was created by Ross Baghdasarian. Chipmunks Christmas, a classic that is aired this time every year; http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2dnrosVyamY Another silly Chipmunk classic-Witch doctor. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xBMEZvZSWFQ&feature=related

Just in case that site expires, here is the main parts. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Ross_Bagdasarian_aka_David_Seville.JPG http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ross_Bagdasarian,_Sr.

Very few of us know much about this FAMOUS ARMENIAN ===== ++++++ ++++ The details I didn’t know. See how many times he has appeared in well known movie classics, even if often in cameo. To cite a few, Rear Window, Zapata, Stalag 17 and more. See the rest here; http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ross_Bagdasarian,_Sr. PS. Why did I even think about him? We will see under another topic about his most memorable creation- Alvin and the Chipmunks. i.e Chipmunks Christmas. PPS. Hey Sip! Were you named so after him- Rostom Sipan?

ՓԱԿ ՓԱԿԵԼ ՓԱԿԱՆ No. It is not ԲԱԿ-courtyard/”bak”, as some WA’s will Latinize as “pag”.* This whole thing was prompted to me when reading Ruben Sevak’s biography. We know that his family name was Chilingirian, and that he adopted his penname based on the fact that he had a dark complexion with black hair and BLACK EYES. His original surname came from the fact that his ancestors, his father was a relatively prosperous ironsmith who in time had become a merchant of iron object. Why was his family not named “/ՓԱԿԱՆԵԱՆpakanian” (Eeven if some of us would translate “locksmith” as “pakanagorts-ian”. Why so long? I had assumed and suspected that “chilingir” had to with iron or steel. I was almost right. Upon further research I learned that the word actually means “locksmith”. It is assumed to be of furkish origin, even my Persian dictionary says so, but I must question.** Some pictures of Lock-Փական; Antique; http://www.fotosearch.com/bigcomp.asp?path=PSK/PSK005/1574R-22360.jpg Modern; http://www.payless-locksmith.com/pictures/deadbolt/yale/yale_deadbolt_lock_nt840.jpg Bolt/latch- Սողնակ/Սղնաք, here we will see that Armenian word is based on Սողալ- to crawl, to slide; http://www.efanlock.com/files/Door_Bolt.jpg Is the Armenian “door@ pakeh/փակէ, door@ gotseh,/ գոցէ, door@ koghpeh/կղպէ/կողպէ” all mean the same? Are the English words- “shut, close and lock “ the same? We will see. The family name “chilingIrian” is quite prevalent even today. Some spell it as “chilingArian”. The reason why I suspect it is of furkish origin. This is how the Persians write it “chlngr“, چلنگر With no diacritical marks. Is it “chilingir” or “chilingar”? We know that in the Persian “gar/kar” means “trade/professon”. *In time we will come to the real meaning, origin and etymology of those words, like “pak, gots/ban“. In the meantime think about the Good Friday practice of the Armenian church of “trnpak” and the Easter Sunday practice of “trnbats”. ** I have said this before, please allow me to repeat. My two volume Eng-Pers and Pers-Eng dictionary is attributed to have been compiled and published by a certain S. Haim, which, I suspect was not an ethnic Persian but a Persian-hrya. The reason why he invokes Arabic, furkish and Hebrew as the origin of many words. What we need here is a scientifically unbiased etymological dictionaries of Arabic and REAL PERSIAN. Never mind that farcical “Farsi”.

Yes Zartonk, a big BS This is even more hilarious; "tries to change the historical names of occupied towns and villages, organizes illegal civilian settlements". After all this is Comedistan!!

TREATY??? of GUMRI Alexandropol Was it, is it legal and binding? Also below see the “legalities”?? of Kars and Moscow “treaties”. ===== NINETY YEARS OF DELUSION OR, HOW IT CAME TO PASS By Ara Papyan Times.am Dec 2 2010 Armenia On December 3 it is the 90th anniversary of the Aleksandrapol agreement. The head of the "Modus Vivendi" Apa Paryan presents articles, where it is shown the agreement was illegal. Times.am-Armenian news publishes the three articles by turn. Here is the first one. The study of history, particularly of the history of international relations, is not an end in itself. In studying history, man tries to learn from the past, so as to avoid making the same mistakes in the future. It seems, then, that we are continually rejecting the lessons of history and directing ourselves with the delusion of perceiving what is desirable instead of what is real. If this were not the case, then we would not have signed the humiliating Armenia-Turkey protocols in Zurich, protocols which provided a temporary sense of relief, but which remained fruitless and barren, thereby rendering themselves exemplars of political onanism. During these very days ninety years ago, the Armenians and Turks were carrying out negotiations in the ill-fated city of Alexandropol (now Gyumri), perhaps the most difficult negotiations in our brief political history. The negotiations ended with the signing of that most burdensome Treaty of Alexandropol, on the 3rd of December, 1920. I shall relate a comparative analysis of the negotiations process, the legal status of the treaty itself and its contents in a future article. At present, a few words on what lead up to the treaty. Of course, the signing of the Treaty of Alexandropol was not some isolated incident. It was a consequence, in particular, of the military and political situation in Armenia after the havoc caused by the May, 1920 uprising, the ever-increasing Bolshevik-Kemalist co-operation, as well as the immense gap that had been formed between the authorities of Armenia and the people. As the current state of Armenia mirrors the Armenia of May-November, 1920 in many ways, I thought it helpful to discuss certain key points. One question has always bothered me, as I am sure, it has others. How did it come to pass that, in almost the absence of an army, the Armenian people managed to defeat or at least provide an adequate defence to the Ottoman forces in open battle in May of 1918, and just two and a half years later, in September-November, 1920, with more weapons, ammunitions and soldiers than in 1918, it suffered ignominious defeat at the hands of the remnants of the very same Ottoman army in the well-bastioned fortress of Kars? When one studies the documents, press and memoirs of the time, one thing becomes clear: the roots of the defeat rested more on morale than on the military or the political. Yes, costly mistakes were allowed in organising the defence; yes, there were many unfavourable circumstances, even accidental ones. And, what, were there none in May of 1918? Of course there were! But in May of 1918, the Armenian man and soldier was certain that the Ottoman army was advancing towards the southern Caucasus to finish what it had started with the Armenian Genocide. Therefore, there were no alternatives to facing and struggling against the enemy; the willingness to fight was borne by the entire people. And also, the real reason for the victory of the first battle over Artsakh (Karabakh) was its own characteristic of being national, aimed at liberation and the fact that its essence was shared among the people. But when one casts a glance at the circumstances in September-November, 1920, then it becomes clear that the Armenian soldier had simply given up on fighting, and the Armenian man, on showcasing any resistance. The most revealing testimony to that fact are the Turkish casualties. According to Kazim Karabekir, commander of the eastern front of the Kemalist forces, in the course of three days of battle (from the 31st of October to the 2nd of November, 1920), including the taking of Kars, the Turks lost only nine and had 42 wounded. This served as a realisation of the Bolshevik calls of "the times have changed", "these are different Turks". And upon the withdrawal of "the Turks new and made anew", the local authorities had to bury 4,386 bodies - 90% of which were women and children - in but three villages of Shirak (Ghaltaghchi, Aghboulagh and Barapol, as they were then called). This, too, was a manifestation of the policy of brotherhood towards "the new and made anew" Turks. Most unfortunately, it is the same song being sung today, the same old story; only the Bolsheviks getting assistance from abroad have been replaced by numerous grant-gulping organisations and so-called political scientists. As the Bolsheviks were unsure whether or not it would be possible "to destroy Imperialist Armenia" solely by deluding the Armenians and breaking their spirit of resistance, they combined other steps with that of propaganda. Starting in May-June, 1919, when Semyon Budyonny met with Mustafa Kemal, the Bolsheviks provided immense military and material support to the Kemalists under the sway of the dream of a global revolution. And those relations were particularly deepened with the signing of a secret treaty of co-operation between the Kemalists and Bolsheviks on the 24th of August, 1920. As a matter of fact, one of the signatories to the treaty on behalf of the Turkish party was that war criminal, former Minister of War for the Ottoman Empire, Enver *****, something which testifies to the following: although Kemal and Enver despised one another for years, all Turks found common ground in their efforts against the Armenians. Immediately following the secret treaty of the 24th of August, 1920, the Bolsheviks transferred over 200 kilogrammes of gold and much arms and ammunition to the Kemalists. The provision of military assistance is a relatively well-known fact, but few are aware that the Bolsheviks supported the Kemalists by directly fighting within their ranks against "Armenian Imperialists". At the end of August, 1920, the first detachment of Bolsheviks, 7,000 soldiers, arrived in Karin (Erzurum). Some time later, another detachment of 10,000 arrived in aid of the Kemalists. Whereas the orders of the first detachment were to participate in the military actions against Armenia, the second was to be involved in maintaining the Mesopotamian front, so that the British forces stationed there would not be able to strike at the Kemalists from the rear and come to the assistance of Armenia in that way. And so, under these circumstances - deserted by allies Britain and France, betrayed by ally Russia, internally weakened and militarily brought to her knees - the delegation of the Republic of Armenia arrived at Alexandropol (Gyumri) on the 24th of November, 1920, in order to commence negotiations with the so-called new, self-declared revolutionary Turkey. Ara Papyan "Modus Vivendi" center www.wilsonforarmenia.org

Placido Domingo, Peaceful Sunday, Խաղաղ Կիրակի The King-Pavarotti is dead, long live the King- Domingo Placido arrives at Yerevan. Will we see and hear him? http://news.am/eng/news/40242.html See the slide show here. Why are the singers in wheelchairs? Is it some kind of a message? To once again emphasize the handicapped inaccessibility of public buildings? http://news.am/eng/photos/sessions/placido-domingo-in-yerevan/ And a bonus at this this Peace and Goodwill Christmas Season; http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4gemjzIzsek Edit: See where the slogan comes from;

Dear Armat, we love you. Could you please list the sources of these news just so we know they are not emanating from boku, ankaga or telavrim. Thank you.

To shave or not to shave? "That is the question" as Old Billy would say. First a joke. No offense, I heard this from an Italian; -Why do Italian men grow moustaches? -They want to look like their mothers. ---- Let’s rewrite that. ---- -Why do Armenian men shave their faces? -They want to look like their mothers. Yet, there still are societies where facial hair is a symbol of masculine machismo. I have had classmates from certain counties who could hardly grow a beard would not shave the fuzz under their noses even if one had to took at it under a microscope. Compare that where in those same societies women hve to hide their cranial hair, a symbol of feminine eroticism? while the men flaunt theirs' as a similar symbol. Note that all three top clowns of furkey have moustaches. http://scrapetv.com/News/News%20Pages/Everyone%20Else/images-3/Ayatollah-Khomeini.jpg For those who were not here when this went on; http://hyeforum.com/index.php?showtopic=1597&pid=109813&st=40entry109813 ---- http://articles.cnn.com/2009-08-17/living/mf.shaving_1_king-camp-gillette-razors-blades?_s=PM:LIVING Razors; http://inventors.about.com/library/inventors/blrazor.htm PS.Sorry! I could not resist. And all this talk about “trashvel” Hey Nairi is that an English/Norwegian word?** Yes, yes. We have been “trashed” so many times and we still are as we speak. In another thread we spoke about the native Armenian word for “shave”- “ածիլւելatsilvel” with the negative prefix “ԱA” to mean “de-sprouting/eradication” from the Armenian “ծիլtsil” ԾԻԼ= ընձիւղ(tendril), բոշբոջ(bud), ծղոտ? The four years of kindergarten are known as -Ծիլ, բողբոջ, կոկոն, ծաղիկ ** Trash; In addition;

\We know that agriculture was invented in Armenia, wheat/ցորեն (bread) and barley գարի/ գարեջուր (beer) cultivation as attested by third parties, the likes of Xenophon. And how and when it was introduced to Europe. Of course, many sources who may not have heard the word “Armenia” will attribute it to Mesopotamia, Assyria , Syria and Egypt. Speaking of horses, did the Europeans learn the word “cow” from the Armenian “կով/kov/kow’? Below an article from Azdak; http://www.aztagdaily.com/getpic.php?ID=42246&num=1 Beside agriculture and horticulture animal husbandry was also invented in Armenia. We know that horse breeding was developed in Armenia. Why is this beautiful species called an Arabian Horse”? Where did they learn to breed horses? http://www.akfentertainment.com/akfpic/akfhors2.jpg Is not their main specialty breeding camels? http://camelphotos.com/GraphicsP6/race_camel1.jpg See what some idiot wrote here, what was “present day furkey “ known 10,000 years ago?; http://www.historylink101.com/lessons/farm-city/story-of-farming.htm ========

Another shoon has gone to that canine/canaan heaven. May he “rest in piss“. Ee varin yerusaghem/urushalim!! He is mentioned here at HF on several occasions, mostly under the topic of Genocide. Edit: Arpa, please do not insult dogs. ( )

YES VIRGINIA, NO MIRIAM Sadly, as we approach Christmas,that sacred Christian date we will see more of misapproriated garbage of the kind. America is a Christian Country. A country of Christmas Carols. Who invited her to this Christan country? At this season of Christmas we are singing Christmas carols. The following is from one of our local papers. Oddly enough it refers to this, from another of our papers from over a century ago.. http://www.newseum.org/yesvirginia/ I am glad to see that we are returning to wish one another MERRY CHRISTMAS, rather than the 60s-70s “happy holidaySSSS” nonsense. That our school children are once again singing Christmas Carols instead of “happy holidays”. See below how the writer says-"In school, I helped decorate a tree with the colored lights, borrowed from my father's electric store on Remsen Street in Cohoes. I sang Christmas carols, editing the obviously religious words, but not skipping "E-man-uel" in the hymn since that was my brother's name.". This is tantamount to entering an Armenian Christian church and scratching one's crotch when it is time to Cross one's face. In other words. If one will not respect the Christian traditions of the Christian “church”, what the … business do they have entering it? We are waiting NOT!!! for the day when Ramadan becomes an American national holiday. Jingle bagels to you too!!! ** We will come to this under another topic, when she skipped all the Christian words until it came to her brother's name "emanuel".

HyeGirl welcome indeed. You raise a very vital question. What Yervant said above is true, yet I would have put it such; You are what you say and feel you are. It is no one else’s business. I will never forget what Prof. Hovanissian said when I advanced the adage that more then 50% of today’s turks are in fact Armenian. He answered thus; “ We cannot speak for them. It is not what we say they are, but WHAT THEY SAY”.

They’re coming out of the woodwork. SOS- Save Our Souls!! They're crying for HELP!! Where will that HELP come from? Remember that both Hrant and Rakel Dink were from that region rescued by Hrant Guzelian. See Hrant Dink at the right in this picture. Is Rakel there too? And their "savior" Hrant Guzelian in front center. http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2283/2104098808_072b6c6a0d_o.jpg Also see; http://hyeforum.com/index.php?showtopic=10672&st=0&p=132839&hl=kurdified&fromsearch=1entry132839 http://www.armenianow.com/features/26102/islamized_hidden_armenians_turkey Berdak aka Dersim/tuncheli Historical; http://hayland.am/imageloader/loadimage.ashx?type=TinyMceImage&size=Normal&photoId=1588 Modern; http://lurer.do.am/Nkarner/03.05.2010_02.jpg

Ah!!! That clown again!! Who the hell does this clown think he is? He should concern himself to covering his own behind rather than meddle with the internal affairs of Armenia. He is still dwelling on that shameful piece of rag dead letter known as the proctocols”. He must read the news again and see why Yerevan did not ratify it. The reason is, after our fearless leaders scribbled their names on the dotted line, just because they did not understand a word of it since it was not written in russky, they finally read the final draft of the so called“"with no preconditions"” and saw those 3 preconditions, all 3 of them inserted by you know who, with no“preconditions”from our side. What a clown? What an hypocritical liar who heaps such cynical words like “Armenian President'’s steps as a leader and statesman crowned with success”. Above I placed this is because he is just a clown, a laughing** stock. ** We all assume that his surname “gul” means “flower/rose”, yes, maybe. In their non-language “gul” also means to LAUGH. He may blow dust in the eyes of those idiots in Switzerland. We have seen such “dusts” many times before. Read Armeno-ottoman relations and see what tanzimat/(an Arabic word)/reforms” means. http://news.am/eng/news/39481.html In an earlier new item we read this; http://news.am/eng/news/39475.html

WATER WATER ՋՈՒՐ ՏՈՒՐ Is the battle cry of today’s telethon. Artsakh seems to be one the world's most watery/ՋՐԱՐԲԻ Water, water, everywhere, Nor any drop to drink. Is this why “there is not a drop to drink“? And, after all those zillions of dollars is this how those waterways will be maintained? http://www.armenianow.com/sites/default/files/img/imagecache/600x400/toxic-dump.jpg http://www.armenianow.com/social/environment/26019/armenia_nubarashen_waste_dump ---- See where the below cliche comes from. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Rime_of_the_Ancient_Mariner Water, water, everywhere, Nor any drop to drink. The old mariner returns home after a long journey on the water/sea and recites the following; Day after day, day after day, We stuck, nor breath nor motion; As idle as a painted ship Upon a painted ocean. Water, water, everywhere, And all the boards did shrink; Water, water, everywhere, Nor any drop to drink.

Above we saw the magic of garlic, now it is the turn of the onion. http://www.armenianow.com/sites/default/files/img/imagecache/600x400/onion_weather.jpg Who knows this nursery rhyme? Տանձ ու խնձոր, կեռաս սալոր Կլոր մլոր կ'երթան իմ փոր Let’s rewrite it. Տանձ ու խնձոր, սոխ ու սխտոր Կլոր մլոր կ'երթան իմ փոր Step aside all you meteorologists weathermen and your Doppler mopplers. At one time this was our weatherman, the sign of spring; http://www.thekidswindow.co.uk/images/CMScontent/Image/caterpillar.jpg http://www.armenianow.com/features/26029/weather_armenia_winter Speaking of Սոխ Գլոխ/Onion Head http://comps.fotosearch.com/bigcomps/PXT/PXT019/WE091579.jpg

ՍՈՒՐԲ ՍԱՏԱՆԱՅ SAINT SATAN HOLY HELL? See what I had said some time ago. One of many times; Post #13 here; http://hyeforum.com/index.php?showtopic=6660&st=0 ----- And now let’s see what our friend Eddie says . As always an excellent article. I will quote only the part relevant to this theme. Please read the entire article to see that it is not all doom and gloom, see also the bright and glorious side of it all, as how they saved and preserved our history and heritage. http://groong.usc.edu/news/msg348553.html --- Does anyone know which Toumanian and Charents works mentioned above are? We will get back about the origin and etymology of “saint/սուրբ-satan/սատանայ”.

That piece of rag known as the Hanragitaran is so useless. It will make a good source of heat during cold winter nights in the Ararat Plain. I have been searching to see what the Armenian name of Dersim is/has been. All that that piece of garbage “hanragitaran says, that it is a part of the Armenian Highlands, no history, geography…. What were they afraid of? That mehmet will attack us and Ivan will not save us? ----- Here is what I found , that it was known as Berdak before. i.e “small castle/fort“; http://hayland.am/imageloader/loadimage.ashx?type=TinyMceImage&size=Normal&photoId=1588

LIARS’ CLUB New and improved? http://www.azg.am/AM/2010111803 The homepage of ankara’s foreign ministry has been amended, and some changes particularly about Armenia, where as some info has been removed, others have been inserted, particularly the part in question has been reduced from a full page to half. Note that the “proctocols” is mentioned, yet being the “liars’ club” they “lie” even about the date. In addition to the below, let's see how many more lies we can see. In addition. Let's see what the MFA of Armenia doing about it. Are we still at that dreamy stupor of "yeghbayr dardzan Hayastan- mehmetistan"?? -------