Berj

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quote:Originally posted by naira: now you're trying to teach me what is typical to Armenian "public culture". I don't see here any analytic mind. Sorry! Name me any Armenia movie with foul language. quote: True! It is important to have some language skills to be able to concretise one's thoughts. But the choice of words is a part of freedom. According to you, if Vladimir Visotski, Snoop Doggy Dog or Leo Ferré did use some amount of censored words, they did not have a colorful language. That's why Snoop Doogy Dog's CDs come with "Paternal Advisory Explicit Content" stamp, Vladimir Visotski's "blatnoi" songs are in circulation on home-recorded cassettes (don't know Leo Ferre). You're again putting words in my mouth. I never said the use of foul language is not colorful. I said we're trying to avoid it here on this forum. quote: I prefer their "foul" language then the "refined" language, which contains nothing but a "collection" of impressive words without any logical or emotional context. If you prefer foul language there are other forums which do not use censoring mode. You're welcomed to chose them. If my English is "refined" for you, sorry, that's my level of Engish which is not my first, second or third language. Speeking of logic, what I've read until now is a huge waterfall of emotions... quote: Foul language? Who are you trying to fool? Did you read some ara baliozian's thoughts? Do you think that the word "bitch" he used, because he is a vulgar writer? Don't you think some of those jokes in "Humour" section are less vulgar and nonsense, because you can't find any bad word in them? What a primitive speculation you foul language argument? When you become a renowned writer I'll let you know. Thanks for the info on foul language in the "Humor" section. I'll let the administrator know. quote: Don't worry for readers, they are ripe enough to figure out what they read. Let them judge on their own, ok! Again you can write your thoughts in other numerous forums. If the readers prefer, they'll follow your writing there. quote: Talking about cheap and garbage! May be one should have a "precise" and careful look on his own messages, before trying to make any classification. It is arrogant to consider what one dislikes to be cheap and garbage. Do you know many cheap and garbage messages in this forum? So ... Go and tell this to them who have posted. And wait their reaction, please! By saying garbage I did not mean your posts. The garbage has already been deleted before your arrival to the forum. That's why you enjoy the composition of threads I guess. quote: I'm saying again. If by foul language you mean "bad" words like Jerk, ****, Shit, Whore, Bitch, then try to see in which context they have been used. Somehow, all the moderators agree the p.e. Ara uses them in the right context. Try to achieve the same. quote: Try to prevent, gently! But again, I would rather ignore this type of messages, or ban the systematic violator to access this forum. And it would be easier for me to handle my moderator duties! Am I not doing it gently with you? quote: Have fun BTW, which you seems to be missing in HyeForum! If you will spare my time by reviwing the Code of Conduct again that would give me an opportunity to have some fun. Please, do so [ June 04, 2001: Message edited by: Berj ] [ June 04, 2001: Message edited by: Berj ]

quote:Originally posted by circassian: Yes . I would also advise charm offensive - but that is another subject. Thank you. Armenia can't afford it now. We need to develop our economy first, deal with the regional crisis and collect some population. When it'll be 10-15 mln. we will surely think about it. Regarding the another subject - I surrender the dimond to you, enjoy.

quote:Originally posted by circassian: I meant to say that in a global world the definition of the population which is based upon defensive nationalistic aspirations is bit old fashion. Those who say armenian for armenians are exactly same of those who say turkey is only for turks.(most MHP supporters by the way) Would you say the same thing if Turkey's population was 5 mln ?

Everybody, It was a false alert. God do not exist! So calm down and return to your daily routine. Please leave (or fly out of in some cases) the thread in an orderly manner. Thank you.

Azat jan, thanks for the valuable info. I start shaving beginning from tomorrow.

This is an Armenian Forum and foul language is not typical to Armenian public culture. If someone is not able to present his thoughts in colorful way without using foul language, that already tells a lot. If we do not use censorship, the forum is being filled in with kilometers of garbage (to make it look cheap). Actually it was not being censored before and the decission to censor it was ment to improve the level of discussions. You must understand that the level of the participants is not always in agreement with simple standarts of communication and the use of foul language by one may bring others to conclusion that they also can do what they think is OK.

quote:Originally posted by naira: Berj, You asked me what is rabiz culture. You never read my previous posts in this thread or may be you din't pay attention to them before starting our dialogue. I'm pasting here, what I wrote previously: Rabiz are mostly men who stood for "patriarchaism" and wiped out women issues from their family agenda's. Women was a possibility for them to be reproduced and take care of their well-being during their existence. I would say rabiz men are sort of "fundamentalist" armenian patriots, who beleive that being armenian stands for "being an armenian man" first of all and keep reproducing by all means. That's why for them actually the importance of male child is crucial. They areextremely unhappy when during their life, they didn't succeed to have a "son". I can't explain you what does mean "rabiz" for me, better than with this example of their "reproduction" dilema. I can't see a man giving so much importance to the birth of its "male child", be able to love a woman for what she is. I'd add just the women who are under this cultural despotism can be caught by "rabizism" as well. I've seen many women who were as desperate in their vision of family and social values as their men. The children issued from those families or environments are often get out with many wounds, which they care along their lives. It has a dramatic impact on our nation's culture and development. You tried to make a theory based on "castes", then your theory on "rabiz" became to a social class definition. You tried to explain me that only the poor and uneducated people are rabiz and you assured me that they will disapear soon or late. And that after all, I was unfait to them, so I had to leave them alone. Don't you think that limiting "rabiz" culture only to poor and uneducated is a kind of rightist position? It's social extremism to define 'rabiz' a social class. No it isn't a social class, sorry! I will never agree! --- Berj, I do not look for violent dicours please, understand me. It's true that I'm very direct in my purposes, but I'm not violent, at all. I'm for peace on earth! I've read your previous posts but they defined "rabiz" only from the view of man-woman-family relationship(as presented in your quoting of one of your previous posts) which is not true. I didn't say the "rabiz"-es are poor, do not put words in my mouth, but yes mostly they're uneducated or undereducated. I didn't assure you that they'll disappear. I said they'll find their right place, or they will be made to find it by natural development of the society. When Armenia's culture was on the rise in 1960-1970s the "rabiz" "culture" (as you call it) existed as well in its full capascity. I think that the problem is that you don't like the Armenian culture in general and you're trying to replace it with something you have handy at present. I believe that as soon as the region gets to its normal course of development, regardless of what direction it will chose, everything will fall in its place. The saying "If you don't like your motherland, then you don't have one" is true for all times.

quote:Originally posted by naira: So let's drop POWER pressure.I still wait your answer on what did hurt your "gentle" mind from all I've said in this thread? Can you reply without emotions? Yes I can. This forum has a Code of Conduct which advises not to use foul language. And that's what I've said to you. Don't use foul language.

No I don't Naira, Why are women trying to win on both fronts?

quote:Originally posted by naira: Ok, then! What is your verdict? Are you happy with this question. It should be easy to reply as far as you cannot reply to other questions! I have no verdicts whatsoever. What makes you think I cannot reply them?

quote:Originally posted by naira: And as moderator, you have absolutely no right to judge my thoughts. You steped in conversation with me you broke your moderator's seal. You are a regular member and I'm a regular member. And we are trying to promote our convictions and beliefs. Your behaviour as member is not judged by me only but by the council of the moderators.

quote:Originally posted by naira: Berj, I think Russia's today's cataclisms are due to the presence of that "dead body" in the Mausoleum. They should remove him from their. If they are bad cowards , they can turn Lenin's Mausoleum in a public museum and let some western companies like Macdonalds, Virgin become cultural sponsors. Imagine Macdonalds inside mausoleum? Not bad heh? Naira, Suppose they remove the body tomorrow and replace it with Ivan the Terrible's or Peter the Great's. Do you see any difference? As I have said they're waiting to repalce it with the alive body of economic success. And they want to open a "Traktir Fast Food" or "U Maxima" or "U Khachika" insead of McDonnalds. Actually, I didn't expect you to be a fast food fan, madmuaselle (or whatever the spelling is).

quote:Originally posted by naira: Berj, Actually, I start liking you. You do not seem to be that opponent who was contradicting his arguments between two sentencies. You got some sort sense of familiar humour. Which do have those guys who belong completely to rabiz culture, and those who have a bit of gray substance in their brains, which makes them funny somehow. Naira, In the quote above you're using the famous "female talk" while saying: "I like you now but you were a square-head, you have a sence of humor but only a bit of gray substance". This a "female talk" beacause you do not present any arguments on my contradiction of myself. I can use the "female talk" too but somehow it's agaist my essence, and it makes me nervous. Where are your proufs? You're using "the stick and carrot" hoping that the one in front is a donkey. You're all in emotions (now as I know you live in France that makes sence). I think after some posts you'll write something like: "Berj, you have this familiar sence of humor, and the information and the education and the phylosophical evaluation of the universe and etc. like all the rabiz guys". quote: You have a very weird logic. Your points which are sometimes "logicaly" argumented have nothing to do with what I'm trying to say. It is like I'm talking to a hyely designed sophisticated product of Armenian robotics industry. And I feel like I'm talking to a mess of bleeding emotions. quote: You invented an issue and you are trying to go deeper and deeper inside it, whithout trying to really conversate. Each time I respond to your messages I spent some time to make explain things that I normally do not do with western men. Because they have some bizarre education, which tells them. You are a man. You are the best man. You have a huge DICK, but you can also be wrong. Talk about yo problems to yourself. And you'll see that's not bad all. It's not bad at all to say that You're a jerk! Autocritisism can be positive! What do you want me to do? To have a cafe talk with you. If you do not want deep conversations I have no problem. Let's talk about sex on the level of "Whome did you have sex with today, Frasouase". I'm not a western man, Naira. Can you immagine that some man are not western on this planet. In the end of this quote you're persuading or asking me to accept that I was wrong, like for the fun of it. OK, I was wrong, and I'm wrong now. Give me the proufs, please. quote: I think I had enough men like you, who are programmed by nature to be ignored. Same attitude towards women like you. quote: We're not talking about a class. We are talking about culture, which has fans in all categories of armenian society's social life. Rabiz culture, I'm stressing again on the world "culture", has its subscribers in almost any profession (doctors, workers, teachers, polititians) and in evry class (working, intellectual, political, cultural). Naira, please, define the exact "rabiz" culture. Beacuse, now I think that for you everything that's not ""French"" is "rabiz". And I smell this self-calming explanations about why did you leave Armenia (because of the "rabizes").

Eduardk, You sound too extreamist for an Armenian. Armenians usualy don't go into exteams when it's not needed. We're calm people. I think you're out as soon as the administrator is online.

quote:Originally posted by MJ: As a note of informationa character... Any curious person who visits the ruins of Dvin (some 70 km South of Yerevan) would be able to identify items of explicit character, which come to certify that in ancient Armenia there has been a cult of phallus and its antipode. I assume that implies existed atmosphere of discovery and games. MJ, The temple of Anahit near Ani-Kumakh (no relation to Ani the capital of the Bagratid kingdom)on Euphrates in the legendary Sosiats woods, which once was the center of Armenian hellenistic culture and the residence of chief pagan clergy must have had more display of explicit itmes. However these items, being of same charcter as in Dvin, constituted ritual information rather then explanations of sexual techniques, as in similar findings in India, Rome, Greece etc.

quote:Originally posted by naira: Don't you think that "rabiz" culture is an ideological arm for brutalization of armenian society? If we place them in the system of Today's Democratic Armenia. They will be citizens of that country and they can occupy different positions in every domain... Isn't it enough to have square-heads with "Shvonder" mentality, who dictate and impose a general way of living for the whole society without leaving any alternative way of coexistence? Armenian citizens who refused to join "rabiz" majority found themselves often in isolation. They were sort of 'strikers'. Those who sympathised 'strikers' were often the target of humiliation as well. Don't you think that "rabiz" culture doesn't let to breath and move forward. It's a way to regression, 'covered' by so-called patriotic sentiments. It is a very general culture, Berj. They are evrywhere. In Evrywhere domain .... Don't you think that this "feudal" culture is so much inside of you, that you didn't realize actually, you are trying to explain it in positive manner and in some cases approve it? I think you do not realize of what you are stand for. If you think that you convienced me. And I'll leave them alone, you are wrong. The contrary you just scared more than I was. I see that Armenian society didn't change since its independence. It is regressing. And I'll do all I can to fight that injected into our society "rabiz" bullshit by armenian Shvonders. Naira, Your fight against the whole class of "rabiz"-es or Shvoders will lead you to nowhere. You can't fight a class and remove it from the society. In fact it will cause MORE HARM because you'll unite them against you. As I already said the problem is to remove the "cook". If you alienate the whole class they'll support "the cook" with eveything they can. You must explain to them that "the cook" is a good cook, but nothing more, and that's why they're poor. I'm suggesting negotiations instead of war against our own son-of-bitches. Let me give you another example. Suppose a mechanizm of your car is broken, an important mechanizm. What are your actions? You remove it and install a new good working one, right? But you don't remove all mechanizms of similar class, because each one of them has its place and functions, without which the car (society) will not move. quote: Can you, please, reformule your point simply? I didn't understand a word from it: sexual relationships has been fixed during the course of history What does this useless bla-bla have to do with sexual games and with the subject we were discussing here? No, I can't refomule it. However, you missed the most important phrase "the AMOUNT OF KNOWLEDGE...has been fixed" in your quoting of my statement. That means all the possible information about "how, where, in what different ways etc... one can get an orgasm" was there in the whole course of history. quote: I don't care about Roman matrona, as you called her. I care less about your sexual experience. We were talking about sexual games. Personal sexual games. Sorry! Actually, you're begnning to sound like a hidden-"rabiz". That's when you give freedom to a "rabiz", he/she will get to all the possible extremes becoming a SLAVE OF FREEDOM. In Armenian it sounds "chtes". quote: Are you an archivist? Why the hell you want to categorise so badly something that you even do not have slightest idea? Oh sorry, I was so rude in my categorising of this most important, the most unknown and secret, the most eternal and devine arena of human activity. quote: If all sexual games were discovered human race would be already dead, Berj! I suggest you not to discover them to all possible ends, and keep yourself a little bit hungry not to die from over-feeding. quote: All we do in our life is based on our way of playing sexual games. We quit, we're dead! For me sexual game is a fantasy. Some of those fantasies do become materialised some do not and won't ever be. If you got a limit of stocks join me in private talk, since further discussing on sexual games can kill this thread. Which I do not really wish. But don't hope me to be your sex therapist!!! I don't want to discuss any kind of sexual relationship which can't be discussed here in this thread. Be sure that being a moderator I can guarantee you to keep this thread alive and block any pathetic intrusions, in case you don't kill it yourself. I don't need a sex therapist. quote: We can discuss openly the things that I in the name of peace would avoid do openly? Discuss whatever you want, but please, do not use "d..k" instead of pennis. quote: Do not pull it out of its original context. It was a suggestion to women actually, not to men. Though I'd suggest the same thing to the male readers of this thread as well. Do the same thing, gentlemen. Explore your sexual potential before marrying a "rabiz" woman. Sleep with black, yellow, white, red, blue women or men, if you there is enough curiosity for that. More you explore, better you feel. Well, I'm not going to forget about self protection. Well, the topic was the attractions of black men. You widened it to other ethnic groups, then to sexual freedom, the to "rabiz"-es... What do you expect...? quote: Use condoms, please! Which brand do you suggest? quote: Do you feel manipulated, Berj! As soon as you're out of control, its OK.

For your info: we have 3 female moderators. [ June 03, 2001: Message edited by: Berj ]

quote:Originally posted by naira: Is this your only contrargument? I sincerely doubted in the beginning your capacity to cintinue talk on such a "bity" issue as appears to be the "sex issue". But you overcome all my worst diagnosys. You are simply the "weakest link", body. Do not try to scare me. If I'll stop coming here. You will be the first to complain of unfairly re-instored boredom in your "sensual" life. I'll be very happy to constantly see you in this forum and I really enjoy talking to you with some reservations on you behaviour. And, actually, if you and some others give us time to read the topics I would have answered to you already.

Naira and Dragon, This forum has a very convenient service called "Private messaging system". Please, use it as much as you can for private talks (like personal sexual experience etc.).

Dragon, Your general behaviour, contibutions to the forum are also being taken into account. Don't try to walk on the blade's edge.

Naira, If you use that word (and similar) again you'll have a warning. This thread will be discussed by the moderators.

For your "poem" about Amsterdam.

Dragon - 1st warning.

MJ, I think you're not following the present developments in Russia close enough, and whatever reasons there may be, their justified. I'm not trying to prove you anything. I'm just exchanging info with you. Boshevism was born in Russia but it was an illegal child. Russia will give the political assesment to the Bolshevism if the neo-Bolsheviks do not bring it back. Lenin remains in Mausoleum because Russia still do not have the idea of economic success in possession to replace the idea of the superpower which is connected with Bolshevism in the minds of the elderly, who are a significant portion of the population to create a social cataclism if disturbed. Russia needs some 5-10 years to change the generation and get the first results of economic success. If that happens nobody will keep that body there. The most radical force in Russia is Zhirinovski's LDP. Communists were too week to gain anything because their leader Zuganov is a very smart person (actually doctor of mathematics). You can't lead the masses to communism if you're smart, you need some charisma (read: foolishness). He failed to do that. Putin's base is the Edinstvo party, middle right, who formes the current govt. Yes, Czarist Generals, Toukhachevski, Bloukher some others did pledge loyalty to the Bolsheviks, but were almost all shot by Stalin, alonge with Trotski, Zinoviev, Kamenyev, Radek etc. The mid and low ranks of millitary often pledged loyalty regardless of who's in power. If the Bolsheviks had the same aspirations as the Russian Empire they would have never signed the Kars treaty.