Dave

Quebecer, Even though most of the massacres took place in 1895-96, sporadic massacres took place against the Armenians. The Ottoman Bank raid might not have scared the ''Red Sultan'', but after Tashnags tried to assassinate Abdul Hamid at the Hamidiye mosque (which was built by an Armenian, by the way), the massacres stopped.

Phantom22, most Turks don't accept that notion. They still relate themselves with the Turks of Central Asia. Pan-Turkism is still very popular, even though Turks have a lot of non-Turkish ancestors. If they lllove their Central Asian mongoloid ''brothers'' that much, why don't they go live with them? Compare them to the Arabs, who abandoned Arabism a long time ago.

He always mentions that we are different from the rest. Menk darper enk!

You really think we Armenians would be legally allowed to visit Nakhichevan? I remember that last year, a Bulgarian-Armenian tried to go to Baku to comment on a soccer match between the Bulgarian and Azerbaijani teams. The airport guards stopped him and he was questioned as if he was a terrorist, even though he, his parents, and his grand-parents weren't born in Armenia. He had to return to Bulgaria... I'm sure he would have been executed on the spot, if he hadn't been a popular sports reporter in Bulgaria.

If all the Anatolian Armenian churches are destroyed, Turkish surnames would be proof that there existed Armenians in Eastern Turkey.

Do they have anything to do with the Kazakhs?

He will be in Montreal this weekend. http://www.armenianprelacy.ca/home.htm

ISTANBUL - Labor Party (IP) leader Dogu Perincek left for Switzerland on Saturday to give testimony in Lausanne Prosecutor's Office. Prior to his departure, Perincek told reporters, ''I will give testimony at 9.00 a.m. on September 20th.'' Perincek reminded, ''when an investigation was opened against Turkish Institute of History (TTK) Chairman Prof. Dr. Yusuf Halacoglu, I went to Switzerland and told reporters that so-called Armenian genocide allegations are nothing but lie. Accusation about me stems from this statement.'' ''I am very pleased that such investigations are opened because the opportunities to show realities increase,'' he added. ''Our struggle will continue until Swiss Parliament abolishes the resolution which recognizes so-called Armenian genocide. We will violate this inquisition decision again. Tomorrow we will give a conference in Switzerland about Armenian issue. We are establishing a defense line for Turkey in Europe,'' he said. Perincek said, ''I am taking English, German and French publications with me which show realities about Armenian issue. I will show these documents during my meetings there. Also I will put them in court files. I will submit them to prosecutor's office because they do not know realities. This is a prejudice and we will destroy it.'' I can only laugh at this guy's comments. Funny how these people are accepted as Turkish politicians.

I agree with you, Arvestaked, but if deniers of other genocides are punished, I don't see why the denial of the Armenian genocide should be tolerated.

Turkey would have to pay billions if it accepts its' responsability in the genocide. Ever single piece of land, every single uncultivated apples and cucumbers count. Every single cow counts. It would be easier for them to give us the amount of land equivalant to what Armenians owned prior to 1915. Gamavor, Turkey knows very well what Armenians owned before the Genocide. Proof? Erdogan just gave the papers (which date from the 1600s) to Israelis and Palestinians, in order to help them stop their land disputes.

Persians might have used them because most of the fighting was done in Mesopotamia which was a flat region. Romans used them during parades, but not in the battlefield. Infantry was much more popular back then. Cavalry was used a lot too, but it became more effective with the invention of the stirrup.

Here's another one from Google Earth: http://img90.imageshack.us/img90/1571/armenia5ee.jpg

Archakhper, I'm fairly sure that Armenians never used chariots because of Armenia's mountainous landscape which renders chariots almost useless. I'm sure you're right, but Armenian military outfits changed during the Medieval age, after the arrival of Arabs, Turks, (Bagratuni Kingdom) and Crusaders (Kilikian Kingdom). The Armenian military of Kilikia had European influences.

She was a goddess in the Persian, Armenian, and Indian pantheons. I think the Iranians and Indians use the name ''Shiraz'' too.

The attitude of Jewish lobbies on the Armenian genocide might be bad, but the Armenian attitude on the Assyrian genocide isn't any different. We hardly even mention them in our websites... There are even some Armenians who don't know that Assyrians were killed alongside Armenians. The only difference on the two lobbies' attitudes is that the Jewish lobbies have assisted Turkey in its' denial of the genocide, and the Armenian lobbies don't deny the Assyrian genocide.

Beirut bomb injures crowd Sep 17, 2005 At least one person is dead and 22 wounded after a bomb attack in a Christian section of the Lebanese capital Beirut, police and rescue services say. The blast occurred on Saturday in a building near a bank and hospital on a small side street in the Jeitaoui quarter to the south of Achrafieh hill just before midnight local time, a rescue worker says. Security services says a 10-20 kilogram bomb exploded in the stairwell of a building. Earlier reports had spoken of a car bomb. The facade of a four-storey apartment building was completely destroyed, balconies collapsed, and cars parked nearby were burned out. The explosion, heard several kilometres away, blew out all the windows in buildings in the neighbourhood and caused numerous fires, which were visible from vantage points in the city. The man killed was a Lebanese citizen of Armenian origin, and one of the wounded was in serious condition, police say. Lebanese troops and police sealed off the area as ambulance and fire trucks arrived and residents evacuated their apartments. It was the 12th bomb attack in Lebanon since the February assassination of ex-prime minister Rafik Hariri in a massive blast in Beirut in which 20 other people died.

Armenia sent 200 000$ to help.

I don't think Hastert will be a problem here. He knows about the accusations about him being paid thousands of dollars to pull the genocide bills in 2000. Maybe this time. he'll try to prove Sibel Edmonds (and her supporters) wrong by supporting the genocide motions.

More information here: http://www.anca.org/press_releases/press_r...es.php?prid=813

Panel passes resolutions calling Armenian killings 'genocide' Over the strong objections of President George W. Bush's administration, a congressional panel Thursday endorsed two resolutions denouncing the deaths of Armenians early last century as genocide — a sensitive issue in relations with Turkey. The House of Representatives' International Relations Committee voted 35-11 to approve a resolution calling on Turkey to acknowledge the culpability of its predecessor state, the Ottoman empire in the 1915-1923 killings. A second resolution passed 40-7, calling for U.S. foreign policy to reflect an understanding of the Armenian genocide and for the president to recognize the deaths as genocide. It is not clear if or when the resolutions will be brought before the full House of Representatives. Armenians say that Ottoman Turks caused the deaths of 1.5 million in a planned genocide. Turkey said the toll is wildly inflated and Armenians were killed or displaced in civil unrest during the collapse of the Ottoman Empire. The Turks also fear that Armenia will use the genocide claims to make territorial demands against Turkey. The State Department sent a letter to committee members saying the debate "could damage U.S.-Turkish relations and could undermine progress by Ankara and Yerevan as they begin quiet talks to address the issue and look to the future." Turkey is an important strategic U.S. ally. It is a democratic, secular Muslim state bordering on Iraq and a NATO member. The relationship, though, has been strained since Ankara refused to allow U.S. troops in the country for the Iraq war. The State Department said the "resolutions could undermine efforts to rebuild a partnership between the United States and Turkey in pursuit of America's broad national security interests in the eastern Mediterranean, Caucasus, Central Asia and the Middle East." The sponsor of the first resolution, Democratic Rep. Adam Schiff, said he was sensitive to Turkey's importance and that he considers it an ally of the United States. But "that alliance cannot be used as a tool to escape from the past no matter how uncomfortable that past is," said Schiff, whose California district includes tens of thousands of Armenians. Rep. Tom Lantos, D-Calif., the panel's top Democrat, said he was reversing his own position in supporting the resolution. He said though Turkey was a good friend, it needed to show more solidarity with the United States on important matters, noting the issue of U.S. troops, among others. The committee's Republican Chairman, Rep. Henry Hyde, said he doubted the relationship with Turkey would be harmed and stressed the resolutions do not hold Turkey or the Turkish people accountable for the killings. He said the resolutions "merely recognize the fact that the authorities of the Ottoman Empire deliberately slaughtered the majority of the Armenian community in their empire." "Denial of that fact cannot be justified on the basis of expediency or fear that speaking the truth will do us harm," he said. http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?.../n144003D45.DTL

Six weeks ago, the Switzerland-Armenia Association (SAA) sent a letter of protest to TIME magazine expressing its "shock and disappointment" that TIME included in its European Edition (June 6, 2005 issue), as a paid ad, a Turkish DVD that denied the Armenian Genocide. As the denial of the Armenian Genocide is a criminal offense under Swiss laws, the SAA threatened TIME with legal action, unless the magazine took nine corrective steps ranging from publishing a formal apology to disseminating, at TIME’s expense, a factual DVD on the Armenian Genocide, in the same seven languages as the Turkish DVD. James Kelly, the Managing Editor of TIME, responded last week to SAA’s letter by stating: "We regret distributing the [Turkish] DVD as part of TIME’s European edition and are very sorry for the offense it has caused. The so-called ‘documentary’ portion of the DVD presents a one-sided view of history that does not meet our standards for fairness and accuracy, and we would not have distributed it had we been aware of its content. Unfortunately the DVD was not adequately reviewed by anyone at TIME because it was believed to be a benign promotion piece. I can assure you that we have changed our review process and will be much more vigilant in the future. We apologize to the Armenian community, and to our readers." This is a fine letter that makes several very important points: -- It expresses regret three times in the space of a few short lines; -- It challenges the credibility of the Turkish DVD by referring to it as a "so-called ‘documentary’" that is "one-sided" and not meeting TIME’s "standards for fairness and accuracy"; -- It acknowledges that TIME would not have distributed the Turkish DVD had it been "aware of its content"; -- It accepts TIME’s negligence by admitting that the DVD "was not adequately reviewed by anyone at TIME"; -- It pledges to be "much more vigilant," should the Turks attempt a similar ploy in the future. Clearly, this letter is an improvement over TIME’s initial wholly inadequate reaction to Armenian complaints. James Geary, the editor of TIME Europe, had callously responded that the magazine was "not endorsing any political organization or cause." Mr. Kelly’s letter, on the other hand, reinforces the e-mail Norman Pearlstine, the Editor-in-Chief of TIME, sent to a reader admitting that the contents of the DVD were "different from what we had been led to believe." In other words, Mr. Pearlstine acknowledged that TIME was tricked by the Turks. Despite Mr. Kelly’s more understanding letter that included profuse apologies, the most critical element is still missing from his response to the Switzerland-Armenia Association. He expresses regret for TIME’s dissemination of the offensive DVD; acknowledges that the Turkish DVD was one-sided, unfair and inaccurate; admits that the magazine was negligent in not reviewing the DVD; and accepts that the DVD should not have been distributed by TIME. Acknowledging its error and apologizing for it does not, however, go far enough in redressing the harm done to the psyche of the survivors of the Armenian Genocide. The Turkish DVD also tarnished the memory of the Armenian martyrs by casting doubt on the truthfulness of their agonizing eyewitness accounts. Mr. Kelly and his superiors at TIME now have an obligation to undo the damage they have caused by their negligence. They need to take the nine steps suggested by the SAA. The least TIME could do is agree to disseminate free of charge, to the same 500,000 readers that received the Turkish DVD, a new DVD that accurately portrays the facts of the Armenian Genocide. Otherwise, TIME’s admission of mistakes and expression of regrets remain simply empty words devoid of any meaning and sincerity. It is too easy for TIME executives to pocket the one million dollars for circulating the Turkish hit piece and then simply tell the Armenians, "we apologize." A true apology has to be accompanied by concrete steps that include making amends to the aggrieved party -- the Armenians. Until then, Armenians worldwide should continue their boycott of TIME magazine and resort to all possible legal measures accorded to them under European genocide denial laws to seek adequate redress. Kind words alone do not compensate for the damage caused by TIME’s negligent, insensitive and offensive act. By Harut Sassounian; Publisher, The California Courier

Wasn't this bill started by Hastert, the one who accepted 200 000$ in order to drop the genocide bill in the year 2000?

I'm sure Europe is only interested in extending its' borders to Syria, Iran, and Iraq. What is located in between isn't of European interest.

The trial of Orhan Pamuk and this ''movement'' are contradictory. I though freedom of speech was supposed to be improved in Turkey.

Nice video! Here's another one. http://www.jdemirdjian.com/2005-7Armenian%...tzakh_video.wmv