Dave

I heard in on TV. It's a false alert. They just said that it was a fire extinguisher which exploded in the boat...

It is reported that a Canadian boat has been hit by Israel, but it's not certain.

He did actually. He never condemned Israel for its excessive use of force, and for the death of a large Canadian family of 9. However, he precipitated to condemn Hezballah, that killed only around 15 civilians (the rest of the victims being soldiers) and only wanted to liberate the hundreds of Lebanese prisonners who were mostly innocent.

This forum isn't very active though.

I'm already a member in that forum, however it's been some time that I haven't posted there.

It's obvious where the inspiration comes from.

In Armenian, it's "madzoun". Very similar. Armenian didn't have the "f" letter either. It was added later during the Middle ages in the Cilician period when closer contact was established with Europeans and their languages.

Hellektor you misunderstood. I didn't mean to insult tashnags or fedayis. I just wrote it in quotes because it isn't really an English word. I've been to an Armenian school, taken Armenian history classes and am one myself... Trust me, I know what I'm talking about. Of course, if it wasn't for tashnagtsoutioun, we wouldn't have had an independent republic in the first place.

If you're talking about the first republic, then yes.

Kakachik77, Armenia is a young 14 year old republic and has no outlet to the sea, etc... Just give it some time. Israel shouldn't be a role model though.

I didn't know about this. Havlabar is the area of Tiflis populated by Armenians, is that correct?

This CIA director wants the US to invade Syria. Watch the clip here: http://informationclearinghouse.info/article14041.htm Found it here: http://angryarab.blogspot.com/

Politics Georgian Traces in “Armenian” Temple Quite recently I was told that ethnic Armenian population living in the village of Vale, Southern part of Georgia, built an Armenian temple on the remains of an ancient Georgian church. However, none of the Georgian journalists who traveled to Vale have managed to record the church on their camera and returned empty-handed without any evidence. Van Baiburt, an MP for the region, dismissed the report and labelless those people disseminating the news as provokers of conflict between Georgian and Armenian people. To my regret, I found that there was some truth in the news: an Armenian temple has been built but not in the village of Vale but 3 kms away from the village of Tskaltbila, formerly called Kudra. Professor Tina Ivelashvili, Doctor of Historic Science at Tbilisi State University, studied the case and told the details to GT. Tina Ivelashviili: “None of the Georgian journalists have found the temple because those who arrived in the village of Tskaltbila were asking the local population about where the Georgian temple was located. Tskaltbila is a village densely populated by ethnic Armenian people. Journalists did not spare efforts to find the temple but having found nothing they used to come back empty-handed. Had they asked about the temple to ethnic Georgians, they would have been more successful. As for Vale, you can still find there a Georgian temple dating back to the 10th -11th centuries, also a Catholic church built in 1838 and some remains of Mosque. The people of Tskaltbila are conducting religious services in an Armenian church which was erected on the ruins of ancient Georgian temple. Q: How have you tracked down to this temple? A: This problem popped up when I was working on the Mardi church, one of those six churches on which Armenian Patriarchy is laying a claim. We were five when we arrived in the village of Tskaltbila and recorded everything. The site is closer to the Georgian-Turkish border than to the village of Tskaltbila. Q: How did you learn that Georgian population had lived in the village before? A: According to Great Record of Gurjistani Vilaiety, the village was home to about 10 Christian households who, according to the document, used to pay taxes for breeding pigs and for getting married. According to the Turkish laws, only Christian population paid the taxes. The names mentioned in the tax documentations are purely Georgian. I don’t know the history how this village was ruined but the church survived. In the Soviet era this zone was guarded with utmost vigilance [since it was the border of the Soviet empire] but none of the Russian soldiers ever damaged the church. After the USSR collapsed and the Soviet troops started to leave, the Armenian population acquired the territory. They began to cultivate the land on the area and in consequent years built an Armenian temple on the Georgian church. Q: If you look at the temple from far corner no one will discern the remnants of the Georgian church. A: Yes, I agree. Nothing can be seen from the roadside. They have maintained the front wall and the Southern wall of the Georgian temple while the wall in its West is ruined and there is a cross a cross of stones with Armenian inscriptions erected inside [see the photos]. They did everything in violation of Georgian laws. Unfortunately, neither regional department of Monument Protection Department nor the Ministry of Culture, Monument Protection and Sports have reacted to the illegality. The Armenian Church should be demolished because it is quite recent and damages the historic treasury, and those who did it should be brought to justice. No matter whether it is a mosque, a Catholic church, a Synagogue or a Georgian Orthodox Church, the state should protect a historical monument – it should not be ruined, damaged or even repaired without the official permission. Saint George Temple where the Armenian cross was erected dates back to the 9th -10th centuries. If we do not have money to repair it, we should at least maintain the way it has survived. Even the Communists in the Soviet epoch did not touch the temple and why are they so careless now? Without the state permission not a single stone should be removed on such sites. This is what the laws are stating. The fact is that Georgian cultural monuments are being misappropriated. Some people are doing so deliberately, step by step to make everyone think that these monuments and this land is Armenian. Hundreds of years later the rest of the world will believe that this soil is really an Armenian one. The ethnic Armenian population of the village does have a church where they can chant liturgies and offer other religious services. A big Armenian church is standing in the center of the village. They now built a temple 3 kms away from the village. This suggests that this is a deliberate misappropriation of the Georgian monuments and attempt to Armenianize them. There is a Toki Georgian Monastery in the village of Aspinda. The restoration work of the monastery complex was ostensibly financed by the head of the local forest department whose name was Tedoradze. However, as I explored further Tedoradze did not pay the money but the money was coming from a Russia-based Armenian citizen. When requested documentation from Tedoradze about permission on the reconstruction work he could not show be anything. I contacted Nika Vacheishvili, Deputy Minister of Culture who found out that the restoration work was conducted without any official permission. He sent his representatives to study the situation on the spot. Finally, the repair work has been stalled. I think it’s high time we stood up and be counted. It is high time people reacted to such actions. This all need serious attention. Q: How does the Armenian population comment on it? A: They were hiding and would not say anything. Then I told Tedoradze he could sue me if I was wrong, and I promised to publicly apologize him if the court said I was wrong. But nobody responded. I don’t want to insult the ethnic Armenian population. I just respect their culture and monuments and I do want them to respond in the same way. http://www.geotimes.ge/index.php?m=home&newsid=904 _______________ Funny that they're trusting Ottoman sources (Great Record of Gurjistani Vilaiet) in order to lay claims on that specific Armenian church and many other churches in the region. This is only one of the ways used by certain Georgian agents to de-armenianize Javakhk. "Re"settling Metskhetian Turks to the Armenian-inhabited districts of Georgia is another way. Their goal is to strengthen Georgian-Turkish relations. ALL the churches of Georgia, whether they was used by Armenians or Georgians, are 100% copies of Armenian churches and they should be treated so. Does anyone here see this as being a Georgian church? http://www.stonegardenproductions.com/images/georgia_church3.JPG

Strange. I've never heard of "Bah" even though it seems so popular. Does anybody here know the "Ohooooo" tsaynargoutioun?

Aliyev is a vile coward who tends to take advantage from the existing situation in the Middle East. He would never show sympathy to their Shiite "brothers" of Lebanon even though he complained that Iran isn't doing enough for its Shiite "brothers" in the north. We can never ever trust Azerbaijan in the future because the likes of Aliyev are in power.

Lebanon Evacuees Arrive In Armenia http://www.armenialiberty.org/armeniarepor...A07B845ECAC.ASP

Nicosia - Cyprus, itself a victim of war more than three decades ago, has once again opened its ports and airports to help evacuate thousands of Lebanese and foreign nationals from the war- torn neighbouring country. As Israeli gunships and aircraft pounded Beirut's airport and seaport along with major highways out of the Lebanese capital, the Cyprus government pledged to provide every assistance to foreign and Lebanese nationals seeking shelter on the island. A senior government spokesman said that visa applications for Lebanese living in Europe and wishing to travel to Cyprus would be relaxed, reminiscent of the days during Lebanon's 15-year civil war, when the port towns of Limassol and Larnaca were dubbed Little Lebanon. Gone are the days when high street boutiques would have signs in Arabic, and every restaurant waiter would utter the occasional greeting of Salaam al-Aykum and recite the day's menu in Arabic or French, while offering free servings of Arak, the aniseed spirit similar to the Greek ouzo. Some of the few who stayed or married locally rushed to help Cyprus authorities with translations, while foreign governments are seeking bilingual or even trilingual speakers to assist at the ports and airports. The sleepy port of Larnaca, where the occasional cargo ship would anchor once a week, has come back to life. It is bustling with military and commercial ships and now has docked an Italian navy ship, which brought 483 Italians, Cypriots and others late Monday night, most of whom were bussed to nearby Larnaca airport to catch relief flights home. Anchored in the next berth is a Greek navy ship, its captain monitoring Olympic Airways flights from the Syrian cities of Damascus and Latakia to Larnaca and on to Athens. The nearby airport has a few stranded Middle East Airlines jets parked just off the runway as the area starts to be crowded by civilian and camouflage carriers emblazoned with government seals, almost like a mini-NATO convention. The French government chartered the 1,200-passenger Greek ferry Iera Petra, which is scheduled to arrive Tuesday morning in Larnaca with French and Swiss nationals on board and later return to Beirut to shuttle more stranded Europeans. Nayiri Mouradian - originally from Lebanon but married in Cyprus for two decades - was quoted by the local website Gibrahayer as saying: 'We were contacted by the Cypriot consul, who arranged for us to gather at the Greek Embassy on Thursday evening. From then on it was a long drive to the Syrian border, and everyone was scared because the Israeli bombing had not stopped.' 'For people who have not gone through this kind of experience it was very scary. My sons did not stop asking questions throughout the journey. They were frightened but relieved on arrival,' she said after arriving at Larnaca airport on board a Cyprus Airways flight. An 80-member Australian folk dance group of the Hamazkayin Armenian society opted to drive over the mountains and through Syria to Jordan to catch a rescue flight from Amman. Others sought to escape over land, but seven Canadian nationals and tens of other Lebanese lost their lives despite driving clearly marked mini-buses. The United States airlifted non-essential citizens Sunday from Beirut to Larnaca using a squadron of Marine CH-53 helicopters, while a commercial cruise ship will help evacuate more US citizens. Even the British Royal Navy has dispatched its aircraft carrier HMS Illustrious from Gibraltar to help evacuate British citizens, while the amphibious assault ship HMS Bulwark is reported to be on its way to the area as a precaution. The European Union has urged Israel to guarantee the safety of its citizens in Lebanon, as many crowded outside their embassies in Beirut, desperately looking for a way home. But that is all Brussels can do, stopping short of telling Israel to stop its shelling. For now the, EU is evacuating its citizens to Cyprus, the closest it can call home and a safe destination, despite being just 240 kilometres off Lebanon's bombed coastline. With many roads impassable and the airport disabled, European and other governments are resorting to chartering ships to pull their nationals out of the Lebanese capital and off to Cyprus to get final transport home. Once on Cyprus soil, the island's people are determined to repeat their warm hospitality and assistance, which brought Lebanese and Cypriots closer together in the last two decades. © 2006 dpa - Deutsche Presse-Agentur from: http://news.monstersandcritics.com/europe/...ar-torn_Lebanon

Hezballah might not have done much for the Republic of Armenia, but its Iranian ally has certainly done plenty. The predecessor of Hezballah, the PLO (formerly based in southern Lebanon) was close with ASALA. Furthermore, I wouldn't be surprised if relations between Hezballah and the Armenians of Lebanon (more specifically the Tashnags) were cordial during the Civil War. The pro-Israel Maronite militia was one of the groups that the Armenians had to face simply because Armenians desired to be neutral throughout the conflict. Thus Hezballah became a natural ally...

The difference is that some Muslim mercenaries from Central Asia (not necessarily Arabs) aided Azerbaijan, while at the same time, the Israeli government aided Azerbaijan.

If so, then how did Hezballah shoot that plane down? Or was it the Lebanese army that saw the plane and shot it?

The reason why these "fedayi"s went to fight in Iran is because the ARF (Tashnags) at first trusted the new Young Turk government of 1908 which had overthrown Sultan Abdul Hamid, the massacrer of Armenians. That way they also secured some Iranian support for the Armenian cause. However in the following years the Armenians would find out the true nature of the Young Turks, first in 1909 with the massacre at Adana, and then in 1915.

Yes that's what he said... Israel apparently would accept a ceasefire provided that Hezballah retreats north and releases the 2 captured Israeli soldiers. But at first, Israel was aiming to remove Hezballah from Lebanon for good. I wonder what made Israel change its stance. Is it because they care for the Lebanese people and the civilian casualties? No, I doubt it. It's because they are suffering greatly.

Didn't know about those protests... Good for them. Obviously, Hezballah exists to organize the Lebanese resistance against Israel. So they must be very well prepared. I'm sure there's more of Hezballah than we think.

They're all officially called Arabs now, as both Eastern and Western Armenians are called Armenians regardless of the differences. This is unlike the different "types" of Turks. Officially, distinctions do exist in their case, as, for example, an inhabitant of Kazakhstan is called Kazakh and not Turk. Regardless, Israel is alien to the Middle East and is at the root of most problems that exist there, including the Lebanese Civil War, etc.

There should also be some solidarity among all Arabs, not only Lebanese and Palestinian. Arab countries aren't helping Lebanon at all. Arabs inhabiting Iraq, Kuwait, Bahrain, Egypt aren't even organizing protests against Israel. A shame... As Hassan Nasrallah said: "Hezbullah is not fighting a battle for Hezbullah or even for Lebanon. We are now fighting a battle for the (Islamic and Arab) nation. Where does the nation stand on this battle?"