Sip Posted October 1, 2004 Report Share Posted October 1, 2004 Anyone watching the debate? Man Kerry is seriously kicking some ass!!!! Bush just keeps repeating himself and not even getting close on answering back to Kerry's attacks! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Azat Posted October 1, 2004 Report Share Posted October 1, 2004 agree 100%. Pretty good debate. It is pretty amazing how Bush does not answer the questions. Its like he has memorized things and is just saying them instead of answering the question. Sometimes the answers never even touch the qurestion Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DominO123 Posted October 1, 2004 Report Share Posted October 1, 2004 (edited) I don't believe I have watched an American presidential debate... that is a first for me. I still think that Kerry could have done a lot better with all the occasions he had. This debate was the best chance Bush had... the others will be of content... The next time I will prepare some pop corn and watch Bush fall. Edited October 1, 2004 by Fadix Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sip Posted October 1, 2004 Author Report Share Posted October 1, 2004 (edited) I think the biggest mistake Bush made was to imply that he doesn't see the difference between Iraq and Osama (9/11). He actually said "they attacked us" ... even if he didn't mean it, Kerry was very smart to pick up on that. But surprisingly enough, neither made any huge mistakes or screwed up on anything too obvious. It was just on the sheer substance of what they were saying that Kerry came off waaay on top I thought. I think the "flip flop" issue basically came down to this: Bush saying Kerry is not clear on his position and you can't say things like what he is saying about being in Iraq and be a good leader... ... and Kerry pointing out that it's downright stupid to keep sticking to a mistake in order to be a strong leader. There is nothing wrong with saying I made a mistake and trying to correct it. Heck if the intelligence was wrong, it wasn't even maybe Bush's fault. Edited October 1, 2004 by Seapahn Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shaunt Posted October 1, 2004 Report Share Posted October 1, 2004 They kept on repeating the same things over and over again. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vava Posted October 1, 2004 Report Share Posted October 1, 2004 I feel bad for you yanks. You really don't have much in the way of choice. Of course, it's the same story up here, except we get to watch a few more fools during the 'debates' Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ED Posted October 1, 2004 Report Share Posted October 1, 2004 I seriously thought Bush had a ear peace on, like a radio transmition some sort, someone was dictating him what to say, a poppet, he would look confused at times then keep on repeating himself. Kerry did great, on fox the argument was the split screen made Kerry look much bigger then Bush. What a joke!! They argued shot should have held both to a head level so they look equally tall. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anileve Posted October 1, 2004 Report Share Posted October 1, 2004 Pretty intense stuff. I have to agree with Domino and with shaunt, Kerry could have done better and both kept saying the same things over and over again, nothing dynamic. I am simply amazed at Bushes lack of eloquence, he is just a stack of hey when it comes to intelligence or smartness for that matter. He did make the mistake of continuously pointing out how Saddam and Osama attacked the US. But some of the things he said were outright ridiculous. For example in reference to how tragic the situation in Iraq is Bush responded, “I know how hard it is; I get casualty reports every day and I see how hard it is on TV screens.” Or, I think we can see the major difference between us, we “disagree efficiently,” can people disagree inefficiently? Doesn’t it call for a “duh!”? Also how he repeated the “Grand Diversion,” every time he got a chance as if it’s a new phrase he learned and was eager to abuse. His “folks,” “hatred in their hearts,” “wrong war, wrong time, wrong place,” and finally when he responded to the Korea question, what do you have to say to the truth and does it raise hackles, he answered “About Korea I’ve said everything I think about it, and I am a pretty calm guy.” Those statements made my bowels move with irritation. The guy is a completely unintelligible buffoon. Also did you notice how fidgety he was and how much water he downed? I guess his alcoholic tendencies were calling at that debate. I honestly wasn’t that impressed with Kerry either, however his only 2 winning cards were his articulateness (or lack of Bushes) and that he attacked Bushes strategy and judgment. Also it’s absolutely amazing how both of them mentioned Israel. Bush said the most moronic thing ever, and it seems as if no one picked up on it. “Iraq will set a great example and help to secure Israel.” If that it is not a sure way to hand a gun over to the Arabs and Middle East and say now you can blow my head of because I clearly expressed my real agenda, than I don’t know what is. All in all, as a conclusion to stop this nonsense and clear our reputation we need a penisless president in the White House. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maral Posted October 1, 2004 Report Share Posted October 1, 2004 At the very least this debate will make those who were unsure take a good second look at Kerry. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harut Posted October 1, 2004 Report Share Posted October 1, 2004 even though Bush clearly lacks the intelligence, Kerry is a professional politician and sometimes does very bad job hiding it. plus, unfortunately, Bush's short, abstract, dogmatic statements, such as "we are doing a good job", "it's a tough thing to do", "we have strong coalition", will be more appealing to the most of the Americans. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anileve Posted October 1, 2004 Report Share Posted October 1, 2004 Also that wonderful statement by Bush which completely blew me away. "Believe me, I know how this world is!" Ahem... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sip Posted October 1, 2004 Author Report Share Posted October 1, 2004 (edited) Also that wonderful statement by Bush which completely blew me away. "Believe me, I know how this world is!" Ahem... style_images/master/snapback.png Yah I busted out laughing at that A few years ago he couldn't even name most of the countries ... but he seems to have gotten better at that ... at least he seems to get the names of the foreign leaders right! Edited October 1, 2004 by Seapahn Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DominO123 Posted October 1, 2004 Report Share Posted October 1, 2004 Also that wonderful statement by Bush which completely blew me away. "Believe me, I know how this world is!" Ahem... style_images/master/snapback.png Yeh, he knew it so well that just after the elections 4 years ago, he didn't knew whom was Canadas prime minister... (I'm not kidding, a Canadian TV crew exposed him ignoring it) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anileve Posted October 1, 2004 Report Share Posted October 1, 2004 (edited) Yah I busted out laughing at that A few years ago he couldn't even name most of the countries ... but he seems to have gotten better at that ... at least he seems to get the names of the foreign leaders right! style_images/master/snapback.png Yeah his speech therapist and his 3rd grade geography teacher are finally making progress...after 3 years. Domino, as if anyone was surprised! But he didn't forget about POLAND!!!!! That also made me laugh; he said it with such triumph, what is the actual number of Polish soldiers in Iraq, 100? Edited October 1, 2004 by anileve Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Accelerated Posted October 1, 2004 Report Share Posted October 1, 2004 I saw the whole thing, it didnt come around to me as news that Bush was a baffoon, but I wasnt particularly impressed with Kerry either, might be because he was trying to appeal to the 'Bush crowd'. After all, no sane person would vote for Bush after hearing him utter a single sentence. you guys better get out there and vote for Kerry! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gamavor Posted October 1, 2004 Report Share Posted October 1, 2004 Accel you don't understand Amarrocans! I won't be surprised if Bush wins! It would be logical and reasonable. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sip Posted October 1, 2004 Author Report Share Posted October 1, 2004 Accel you don't understand Amarrocans! I won't be surprised if Bush wins! It would be logical and reasonable. style_images/master/snapback.png Yah because he said "God bless this country" and Kerry said "stem cel research" ... for a lot of people, that's enough to make the decision!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Armen Posted October 1, 2004 Report Share Posted October 1, 2004 Th most stupid thing Bush said was about International Criminal Court. The guy pracically admitted that the U.S. is an international criminal...and that's why it is afraid of being tried in foreign courts. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Armat Posted October 1, 2004 Report Share Posted October 1, 2004 Kerry,Kerry,Kerry all the way.I was suprised how unintelegent Bush was.He does not even know the numbers and facts such as when he said 100K Iraqi troops being trained and later reporters checked that figure which is 50K.Not even close.He tried his stupid tactic of calling Kerry flip flap by saying he changed positions which Kerry answeared brillently that being stand fast on a wrong track is hardly an asset.Overall Kerry did great. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
THOTH Posted October 1, 2004 Report Share Posted October 1, 2004 Kerry absolutely needed to win this debate - to score a home run (using American baseball coloquilism) - and he didn't IMO. For the most part he failed to distinguish himself from Bush at all...I mostly hear "stay the course" from both of them. It is also clear to me that neither truly understands the stakes in Iraq and the utter failure it is/will be. Though I could agree more with Kerry's critique (of the Bush approach/actions) and of course i agree with his call for international participation/ (and true leadership) and the falure of this administration to do such - etc etc and so on and so forth - his delivery of these messages wasn't nearly crisp enough - and he didn't at all take off the gloves and call this administration for what it is and call them on the carpet for their deceptions. And neither candidate at all understands the terror issue and the root of it (and the fact that not all wars are won by force of arms...)...none will go there of course - and we all - I assume know what I am talking about...the Israel -Palestinian issue...etc....in the end I was impressed with neither - and the result is my longing for a 3rd party alternative - any alternative....(and in fact I have been an advocate of the "3rd party" - to be called the "3rd party" and have no platform other then representative democracy...) - and perhaps I could explain my ideas on this sometime if any might be interested.......and I also think we could do better by randomly picking a name out of a hat....so sad...but basically true...(and same is true for Congress/House of reps as well..) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Armat Posted October 1, 2004 Report Share Posted October 1, 2004 even though Bush clearly lacks the intelligence, Kerry is a professional politician and sometimes does very bad job hiding it. plus, unfortunately, Bush's short, abstract, dogmatic statements, such as "we are doing a good job", "it's a tough thing to do", "we have strong coalition", will be more appealing to the most of the Americans. style_images/master/snapback.png Harut why you assume most Americans are stupid!Majority voted for Gore to begin with and half the country is opposed to his policies.These debates will only shift the undecided voters. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
THOTH Posted October 1, 2004 Report Share Posted October 1, 2004 Kerry,Kerry,Kerry all the way.I was suprised how unintelegent Bush was.He does not even know the numbers and facts such as when he said 100K Iraqi troops being trained and later reporters checked that figure which is 50K.Not even close.He tried his stupid tactic of calling Kerry flip flap by saying he changed positions which Kerry answeared brillently that being stand fast on a wrong track is hardly an asset.Overall Kerry did great. style_images/master/snapback.png I disagree - Kerry did not do great - he didn't look into the camera - he didn't clearly articulate himself (even if peppered throughout his talk he made some good points - they were not at all tied together and emphasised strong enough)...and Bush - well the US likes a simple leader - someone who they think they are smarter then - I am convinced of this - and the typical yahoo American voter just gets confused by all the fancy talk...they want it simple, stong and reassuing - and Bush gives them this....besides Kerry is a loser... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
THOTH Posted October 1, 2004 Report Share Posted October 1, 2004 Harut why you assume most Americans are stupid!Majority voted for Gore to begin with and half the country is opposed to his policies.These debates will only shift the undecided voters. style_images/master/snapback.png I agree with harut. Gore's loss was just atrocious. It was the Democrats election to lose...and they lost - pure and simple (raw votes just don't really matter BTW)..and OK - so he got roughly 50% of the votes - so what - 50% voted for "W"...thats just appauling IMO....Democrats - with everything going for them could not win against ________! I don't see Kerry getting any additional support form this debate. Does anyone honestly think that anyone who supported (was not against) Bush prior to this debate would suddenly "see the light" and say - "my god - what an idiot?" - no - there is a substansial percentage of the population that wants this sort of reassuring no-brain(er) leadership...and Kerry - he's just another Ivy league New England egghead to many of these people. And as much as Bush has galvinized his own opposition (like with terrorist in Iraq) - and as much as he has polorized the country (the opposite of what he was claiming he would do when he got elcted...the first of many...misdirections etc) - well - I just don't think Kerry has distinguished himself as enough of an alternative and he certainly hasn't inspired anyone....loser...IMO... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Armen Posted October 1, 2004 Report Share Posted October 1, 2004 I can't understand why did Bush bring up foreign policy (he was the one who picked it) for the biggest debate. Is it because otherwise everyone would think he is failing in that area? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arpa Posted October 1, 2004 Report Share Posted October 1, 2004 (edited) Yeah his speech therapist and his 3rd grade geography teacher are finally making progress...after 3 years. Domino, as if anyone was surprised! But he didn't forget about POLAND!!!!! That also made me laugh; he said it with such triumph, what is the actual number of Polish soldiers in Iraq, 100? style_images/master/snapback.png Some of his coaches, or at least one of hem may have remembered how Gerald Ford blew his chances when in 1976 he debated that Poland was not under the influence of the Soviet Union. He never corrected himself, i.e. to mean that Poland was not part of the SU, only a sattelite. However he lost the election on that one slip. He may not have known better. But, it is curious that GWB made a point to mention Poland. I did no see th edebate. Did he pronounce the name of the country correctly? Or did he apply his "nukular" brain and call the country "Pooland" or some such? I also remember his father who addressed the president of the Czech Republic "Vaklav" (Vatslav Havel), and his every other word was "saaa-dum, saa-dum"". I guess now we know who the "sad..dum" is. I wonder if he knows that Armenia is not next to Albania or Namibia!! It is amazing how the almighty "greenback" keeps some peoples's backsides covered!!! Edited October 1, 2004 by Arpa Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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