Accelerated Posted September 4, 2004 Report Share Posted September 4, 2004 ok, granted I wasnt alive 30-40 years ago so I might be wrong about the overall standard of living being the same, I also dont think it was as bad 'capitalist propaganda' had you believe then and now..... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sasun Posted September 4, 2004 Report Share Posted September 4, 2004 I recently heard ridiculous stories, one of them was that Switzerland has moved the production of all its watches to Armenia and from now on all Swiss watches are made in Armenia. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vigil Posted September 4, 2004 Report Share Posted September 4, 2004 (edited) Yeah, Armenians need to stop bragging about themselves. They are subhuman, thus, are a marginalized group of people who have been slaves for Greeks, Persians, and Turks. The rest of the world can inflate their egos, but yet Armenians are supposed to be the “vetses”. IN fact now fellow Armenians are promoting the “victim” and “slave mentality” like Nairi. I.E. “oh Armenians need to stop pretending like they are important”. Well, if this is the attitude then to be honest why need enemies? I mean might as well just agree with western historians and just state that Armenians were a primitive group of people. Again, notice the castration of Armenian nationalism and nationalists. Edited September 4, 2004 by Vigil Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shiner Posted September 4, 2004 Report Share Posted September 4, 2004 Yeah, Armenians need to stop bragging about themselves. They are subhuman, thus, are a marginalized group of people who have been slaves for Greeks, Persians, and Turks. The rest of the world can inflate their egos, but yet Armenians are supposed to be the “vetses”. IN fact now fellow Armenians are promoting the “victim” and “slave mentality” like Nairi. I.E. “oh Armenians need to stop pretending like they are important”. Well, if this is the attitude then to be honest why need enemies? I mean might as well just agree with western historians and just state that Armenians were a primitive group of people. Again, notice the castration of Armenian nationalism and nationalists. style_images/master/snapback.png No Vigil, We should not do what you suggested in terms of being humble. We should become delusional and pretend that Yerevan was equivalent to New York, Los Angeles, and Chicago in the '60s and '70s Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vigil Posted September 4, 2004 Report Share Posted September 4, 2004 (edited) No Vigil, We should not do what you suggested in terms of being humble. We should become delusional and pretend that Yerevan was equivalent to New York, Los Angeles, and Chicago in the '60s and '70s style_images/master/snapback.png HAHA...behing humble is that what your "vets" friends are calling it now? Please, this entire topic is the reason why Armenians through time have always gotten the short end of the stick. It was not because of the invading armies that Armenia fell, it was because Armenains canabalize their own and sold them out for otars. Yeah, anything Armenian is primative. In fact in Armenia they have no idea what the "modern world" is about. Edited September 4, 2004 by Vigil Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shiner Posted September 4, 2004 Report Share Posted September 4, 2004 We should continue acting like each of us is the center of the Universe. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vigil Posted September 4, 2004 Report Share Posted September 4, 2004 (edited) We should continue acting like each of us is the center of the Universe. style_images/master/snapback.png Yeah, your right shiner it is the worlds most primitive country. Edited September 4, 2004 by Vigil Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shiner Posted September 4, 2004 Report Share Posted September 4, 2004 I think Sudan and a few others are more primitive. But when such a talented people have to compare their country to Sudan to make themselves feel better, there is something wrong. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vigil Posted September 4, 2004 Report Share Posted September 4, 2004 (edited) I think Sudan and a few others are more primitive. But when such a talented people have to compare their country to Sudan to make themselves feel better, there is something wrong. style_images/master/snapback.png When did I say it has to do with Sudan or the genocide? I have said many times and am against "helping" Sudan. Shiner, by your logic Americans are trying to make themselves "feel good" by continueally bragging about how they "saved the French"? Are you honestly going to sit here and tell me that America is the most of "modern" in their ideology? Yes, technologicaly they are "modern", but outside of that they are more primitive. They use 3 times as much resources as China and have the worlds largest obessity rate. If you think this is what "modernity" is about then your as ignorant as I thought. Anyways, why bother, I will most likly be banned or somthing. Edited September 4, 2004 by Vigil Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bellthecat Posted September 4, 2004 Report Share Posted September 4, 2004 (edited) Yeah, Armenians need to stop bragging about themselves. They are subhuman, thus, are a marginalized group of people who have been slaves for Greeks, Persians, and Turks. The rest of the world can inflate their egos, but yet Armenians are supposed to be the “vetses”. IN fact now fellow Armenians are promoting the “victim” and “slave mentality” like Nairi. I.E. “oh Armenians need to stop pretending like they are important”. Well, if this is the attitude then to be honest why need enemies? I mean might as well just agree with western historians and just state that Armenians were a primitive group of people. Again, notice the castration of Armenian nationalism and nationalists. style_images/master/snapback.png You are loosing it, Virgil. Nairi has always been just about the most consistantly intelligent and sincere person here. Can't you see that it is you that is displaying a typical "victim and slave mentality". Edited September 4, 2004 by bellthecat Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vigil Posted September 4, 2004 Report Share Posted September 4, 2004 (edited) You are loosing it, Virgil. Nairi has always been just about the most consistantly intelligent and sincere person here. It is you that is displaying a typical "victim and slave mentality", and, I'd say, Armenia's real enemies will be toasting any success you have. style_images/master/snapback.png No, Bellthecat, there are studies that show the reason African Americans are in the lower socio-economic bracket is because in their history they are slaves, thus, will always amount to being slaves. If you would like I will give you the link to a PBS speical on this. Furthermore, if Armenia's enemies wanted success they were routing for the Armenains like yourself that were against the Karabagh war because they did not think Armenains could win against Azeris. It is because of intellectual and worthless Armenians like yourself that we have become a mere shadow of ourselves. IN order to save yourselves you will sell out your country and that is exactly what has happend to Armenians. Anyways, my point is that if Armenains think they are inferior and losers then that is what they will be. Why is it that the German people can rise up from the ashes of WW1 and WW2, but yet Armenians are still stuck in this limbo? The only reason is that Germans are nationalistic and have self respect. Just recently my friend went to Germany and because he looked like a Turk he was not allowed to enter nightclubs, but if it was Armenia the Turk would have entered the nightclub and most likly would have walked out with a Armenian girl. Nationalism is what fuels the hunger of a nation and its people. Edited September 4, 2004 by Vigil Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vigil Posted September 4, 2004 Report Share Posted September 4, 2004 By the way, my friend was Persian. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mx5 Posted September 5, 2004 Report Share Posted September 5, 2004 (edited) For a while now I've noticed this thing among many "fresh-off-the boat"-ers and it's really beginning to tick me off. I'm talking about parskahays and hayastancis in particular because they're the ones I mostly meet. It's petty things, but I don't understand why they have to lie and brag about practically everything. Some of them are very modest and honest, don't get me wrong. But the majority that I've met so far can't stop themselves somehow. Little things! Petty things! Things that you don't need to lie about and even when you do we can tell you're lying!! Here's an example. You come to their house on your bike and they say something like "I used to have exactly the same bike in Armenia/Persia. I was even invited to participate in the national biking contest because I was so good, but I declined". What?????? Another one. You want to play Monopoly and you hear: "Oh yes, I remember that game. We used to play it in Armenia all the time when we were kids." What???????? Last one. You're talking about ATM (pin) machines, and your uncle says something like: "Ooh la, Shahi zhamanak Parskastanum patits pogh eink hanum." What???????? Why????????? Nairy I dont see what is wrong in that,if we are not going to be tolerant with each other for such insignifcant things then what is the point...Ive recently been in yerevan and havent seen many bikes ..but than who cares.I myself would ask what kind of bike they had and start a conversation rather than make a fuss about it...but then thats just me!!! *** Fixed the quote Edited September 10, 2004 by ExtraHye Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vigil Posted September 6, 2004 Report Share Posted September 6, 2004 Nairy I dont see what is wrong in that,if we are not going to be tolerant with each other for such insignifcant things then what is the point...Ive recently been in yerevan and havent seen many bikes ..but than who cares.I myself would ask what kind of bike they had and start a conversation rather than make a fuss about it...but then thats just me!!! style_images/master/snapback.png MX% don't you know? Armenians in Armenia and Iran still live in caves. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
anon. Posted September 8, 2004 Report Share Posted September 8, 2004 VIgil, African Americans are in a lower socio economic class because that is where they were FORCED to exist, with no access to education, employement, etc. Their suppression over hundreds of years results in the situation Black america is in today. And Im not sure if you know what year this is, but African Americans are no longer slaves, and THUS will not continue to be. Regarding your comment about the Turkish looking Armenian barred from entering a club in Germany... In North America we call that DISCRIMINATION, not Nationalism. Whoever said earlier, that your losing it... I agree. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
anon. Posted September 8, 2004 Report Share Posted September 8, 2004 (edited) By the way, my friend was Persian. YOU totally threw your argument off. Your Turkish looking friend who was barred from a club in Germany... but who was really Persian..... ... and you uplift this kind of what you call nationalist society, who in essence harbours racial hatred toward certain groups of people. Let me ask you something... do you have a bit of a darker complexion there Vigil, maybe next time you go into a German club, they'll ban you cause you look like a Turk,... Oh but you're really an Armenian, you say. Whatever. *** Fixed a quote Edited September 10, 2004 by ExtraHye Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Armen Posted September 8, 2004 Report Share Posted September 8, 2004 Armen, my parental house was built was in 1965. They bought it in 1976. I have yet to see a house like that in Armenia. And it's nothing more than a regular family home. I'm sure if Yerevan looked like any city in the US (or West I assume), my parents would have moved there without a doubt. But even they were smart enough to know that they had it MUCH better in Europe. After all, my dad graduated from Moscow University late 60s as a fervent communist. But then why did he make a definite move to Europe after his degree? Because the SU was on an equal footing with Europe? Don't think so. He realized himself that he was fooling himself and no one else. If he really believed in the communism of the SU, he would've stayed there and I wouldn't have been born. I'm not saying that Armenia/SU was worthless. Some of the things that they produced indeed equaled and were sometimes even better than anything in the West. But overall lifestyle? No. I don't believe it. Maybe because I've seen enough of it to know. Not only that. When some of the honest ones visited Holland, they told the truth. They do it now as well. style_images/master/snapback.png Nairi, first of all I said that "the life in Yerevan", second I said "overall quality of life excluding civil liberties". Consider that and everything will fall in its place. Yerevan was different from many cities in SU in 60s and mid 70s. By "overall quality of life" I meant that there were no unemployed in Yerevan and there were no extremely rich people. Soviet middle class was poorer than the Western middle class. But then again, there was a free high education and medicine for everyone. And my parents (both university lecturers) had money for everything...movies, theatres, clothes, car, Black Sea resorts every year...etc.etc. Nairi, you have a wrong idea that by saying this I defend communism. I am mearly stating facts. Do I want communism back? No! Do I want SU back? No! Your father may have left because of civil liberties. Because he was given a nicer opportunity. Actually, my parents left Moscow for Yerevan as well. Because Yerevan of 60s 70s was a much better place than Moscow. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Armen Posted September 8, 2004 Report Share Posted September 8, 2004 I recently heard ridiculous stories, one of them was that Switzerland has moved the production of all its watches to Armenia and from now on all Swiss watches are made in Armenia. style_images/master/snapback.png A "Frank Muller" shop opened on Abovian street . So did not exagerate that much Sasun Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Azat Posted September 8, 2004 Report Share Posted September 8, 2004 and 2 Swatch sops as well. One on Sayat Nova and one on Nalbandian I think. By the way, I get a Swatch from all the major countries that I visit and was surprised that they did not have one with some Armenian theme Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Armen Posted September 8, 2004 Report Share Posted September 8, 2004 and 2 Swatch sops as well. One on Sayat Nova and one on Nalbandian I think. By the way, I get a Swatch from all the major countries that I visit and was surprised that they did not have one with some Armenian theme style_images/master/snapback.png Didn't know that. Considering this, we may as well state that Swiss watch prodution has been moved to Armenia. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Azat Posted September 8, 2004 Report Share Posted September 8, 2004 I actually know that there is 2 for sure but their site does not list the second http://www.swatch.com/service/locator/resu...0&submit=Submit Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nairi Posted September 8, 2004 Author Report Share Posted September 8, 2004 Armen, my father saw spent quite a bit of time in Yerevan during his student years and after. But he also saw Europe and made the comparison. He was a communist. Up to this day he defends communism. Don't ask why, but he does. But apparently there was something slightly more attractive about Europe than Yerevan, otherwise he would have moved to Yerevan instead of Europe, would he not? Maybe he was materialistically greedy after all... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gamavor Posted September 8, 2004 Report Share Posted September 8, 2004 (edited) YOU totally threw your argument off. Your Turkish looking friend who was barred from a club in Germany... but who was really Persian..... ... and you uplift this kind of what you call nationalist society, who in essence harbours racial hatred toward certain groups of people. Let me ask you something... do you have a bit of a darker complexion there Vigil, maybe next time you go into a German club, they'll ban you cause you look like a Turk,... Oh but you're really an Armenian, you say. Whatever. style_images/master/snapback.png Germans did good! Turks should be banned from the Universe. I think what Vigil is suggesting is to have the same attitude towards pincos (Anglos) as they have towards Mediteraneans. I bit more racisim on part of Armenians wouldn't heard much! Just a little! Edit Note: fixed a quote problem Edited September 8, 2004 by Azat Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kakachik77 Posted September 9, 2004 Report Share Posted September 9, 2004 (edited) Another one. You want to play Monopoly and you hear: "Oh yes, I remember that game. We used to play it in Armenia all the time when we were kids." What???????? Perhaps few things seem like true lies however Monopoly is just a board game and it exists in all parts of the world along with Armenia. I am not sure why do you find that so unbelievable. Whoever said that was not lying, I did also play Monopoly in Armenia when I was a kid. Perhaps you won't believe that Rubik's cube exists in Armenia as well????????????? *** Fixed the quote Edited September 10, 2004 by ExtraHye Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gamavor Posted September 9, 2004 Report Share Posted September 9, 2004 Kakachik, this is because American-Armenians adopted tha same mentality from the Anglos. Do you know how many times they asked me if we had TV, Cable or cars in Bulgaria. Americans are the most ignorant and arogant people on Earth. If they only knew for how many other things in life they are wayyyyy behind! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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