Armat Posted May 15, 2004 Report Share Posted May 15, 2004 (edited) Doctor Raul Castro Guevara is saying that there is no way that the individual in the video was alive and his heart pumping while his neck was being cut. The doctor adds that in these cases, while the heart is pumping, cutting a person's artery in the neck, would cause copious amounts of blood to spurt all over the immediate environment. He says that in his opinion the video is a fraud. Anyone watched it?Not that I recommend watching it but if you have then you noticed Berg did not move much and I suspect he was dead already or the whole thing is fake. Any event watching the whole thing gave me a real shiver through my spine and thinking all the woman and children Turks killed in most brutal ways can not be forgiven with hollow I regret BS as Steve suggested.Steve watch the video and think about the word and the context again! Edited May 15, 2004 by Armat Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jewish Friend Posted May 15, 2004 Report Share Posted May 15, 2004 Berg did not move much because from the time he is circumcized a male Jew knows not to move when a knife comes towards him. Had to throw that in or I'd go nuts! Yid Kid Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ED Posted May 16, 2004 Report Share Posted May 16, 2004 Yes I wish I never saw this video, someone sent me and I couldn’t resist watching it. I can only imagine how the parents feel, as parent my self you never recover from something like this, horrible and inexcusable, staged or not. I'm sure there are some parts in this world which this is a common practice, not till early 70's French abandoned there controversial geyethin executions. And wile we are on this, only I can guess what those other unreleased pictures from Iraqi prison might look like, someone has to be held accountable for all this crime, I don’t see any positive outcome from this conflict Bush and those cons adopted. One thing sure is clear by now and its becoming more evident everyday is eventual clash of civilizations. Did you hear what bush said just a day after Rumsfelds testimony? "Thank you for your leadership. You are doing a superb job courageously leading our nation in our war against terror. ... You are a strong secretary of defense and our nation owes you a debt of gratitude." Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gurgen Posted May 16, 2004 Report Share Posted May 16, 2004 I've seen another one with an American soldier, even worse. The guy was screaming while they cut his head off with a saw... The whole thing took about 4 minutes, horrible. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bellthecat Posted May 16, 2004 Report Share Posted May 16, 2004 "Thank you for your leadership. You are doing a superb job courageously leading our nation in our war against terror. ... You are a strong secretary of defense and our nation owes you a debt of gratitude." http://www.bitstorm.org/2004-5/puremuppet.jpg Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
_Anka_ Posted May 16, 2004 Report Share Posted May 16, 2004 Where can I see the Berg video? What's the website? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Armat Posted May 17, 2004 Author Report Share Posted May 17, 2004 (edited) Where can I see the Berg video? What's the website? Just do a google search and you'll get at least ten sites.It took me less then a minute to find.I don't want to post the link here since home land security might be watching and I don't want Armenians to become watched. Edited May 17, 2004 by Armat Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DominO123 Posted May 17, 2004 Report Share Posted May 17, 2004 I did not watch it, and don't even want to watch it. I really fail to see why anyone would want to watch it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
_Anka_ Posted May 17, 2004 Report Share Posted May 17, 2004 Just do a google search and you'll get at least ten sites.It took me less then a minute to find.I don't want to post the link here since home land security might be watching and I don't want Armenians to become watched. Thanx Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
_Anka_ Posted May 17, 2004 Report Share Posted May 17, 2004 ahhhhh, I did find the website but it has been shut down already becuase of traffic. I was a little late. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DominO123 Posted May 17, 2004 Report Share Posted May 17, 2004 ahhhhh, I did find the website but it has been shut down already becuase of traffic. I was a little late. But I fail to see why you want to watch that? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
_Anka_ Posted May 17, 2004 Report Share Posted May 17, 2004 (edited) I find it interesting to watch. hey there's alot of people who watched it that's why the site is shut down. So i'm not the only one. Edited May 17, 2004 by _Anka_ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Azat Posted May 17, 2004 Report Share Posted May 17, 2004 I did not watch it, and don't even want to watch it. I really fail to see why anyone would want to watch it. agree. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Azat Posted May 17, 2004 Report Share Posted May 17, 2004 http://www.blowmeuptom.com/beheading.html - here you go. enjoy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hytga Posted May 17, 2004 Report Share Posted May 17, 2004 although this is not the right place for my post, but... Azat i love your sig Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Azat Posted May 17, 2004 Report Share Posted May 17, 2004 hytga, wish I could take credit for it. http://hyeforum.com/index.php?showtopic=9180 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
_Anka_ Posted May 17, 2004 Report Share Posted May 17, 2004 http://www.blowmeuptom.com/beheading.html - here you go. enjoy. Thank you. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gurgen Posted May 18, 2004 Report Share Posted May 18, 2004 I really fail to see why anyone would want to watch it. Idem dito. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vava Posted May 18, 2004 Report Share Posted May 18, 2004 Well - i for one, don't want to see the video. But for thoses of you who are into conspracies.... someone sent this to me: “I found this on another board and thought that I'd share. Some of it seems to be grasping for straws, but there is enough "evidence" here to really make you think. 1) Most people replied by asserting that the execution occured as retribution to the abuse photos that had surfaced, but you have to ask yourself - do these terrorists, who are clearly capable of brainwashing people to the point where they are willing to kill and be killed for their beliefs, really have no concept of political tact? Here they are, the whole world screaming at the US for hypocrisy and injustice over these pictures, and they perform and publish this execution right in the heat of the scandal. In other words, these masters of brainwashing and spin and deception release a video of a despicable act just as the US, their sworn enemy, is being globally grilled. Does this make sense to you? 2) Is it not interesting that the wall colour at Abu Ghraib prison is identical to that of the video? 3) Is it not also interesting that Berg is wearing the same orange jumpsuit worn by prisoners at Abu Ghraib prison? Sure, you say, perhaps he was kidnapped directly from the prison (as stupid as this sounds, anyway) - but then can you please explain (7)? 4) Is it also not interesting that the timecodes in the video jump back and forth? 5) Is it also not interesting that Berg did not exhibit any of the convulsions that typically accompany decapitation? http://www.ahsc.arizona.edu/uac/iacuc/rodents/avma.htm I am suggesting here that Berg was already dead when the decapitation occured (which accounts for 5). Before you go calling me crazy, please review the evidence; why did he not exhibit the convulsions that go hand in hand with decapitation (especially such an extended one)? 6) Is it not curious that the US denies contact with Berg, and yet his friends and family insist that he told them he was being held by the US? Huh? Why? Another tape oddity - the men SPEAK RUSSIAN for several seconds. Not only that, but they speak Arabic with Russian accents. That's right, in the final seconds of the tape, one of the men speaks in Russian. Those here who understand russian (and have the stomach to view that final seconds of the video) can verify this. Those who speak Arabic will be able to verify that these men speak Arabic in Russian accents. 7) Finally (the physical evidence that will convince you in case you already aren't)... You will notice, in watching the video, that 6 times, a gold ring flashes on the hand of the executioner. What is the problem? Islam completely and utterly forbids men to wear gold rings. This fanatical muslim, willing to kill in a gutwrenching manner, and be killed for his beliefs, is violating one of the clear prohibitions of his religion? Really? DOES THIS MAKE SENSE TO YOU? edit: Two more points: 8) Nick Berg understands Arabic, but sits calmy while statement is read, waiting to be killed. Hmm? 9) One of the executioners is wearing Air Jordans. WHAT? edit 2: 10) The "terrorists" signed the video, yet they wear hoods and masks. Why? 11) The "terrorists" have lily white hands. 12) The video time is in US Military English. What the hell? Conclusion As many has suspected, but have not had the time to build a solid case for, the execution of Nick Berg was performed by coalition interests (most likely independent Russian mercenaries) in order to dwarf the abuse pictures and sway public opinion back against the Iraqis and in support of the war by taking advantage of the emotional reaction we all experience when hearing of such an despicable act. The poor production quality (all the "curiosities" I have pointed out) of this video can be attributed to the haste in which it was made after the order was given to distract the public from the abuse scandal, and is in line with my conclusion” Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gurgen Posted May 18, 2004 Report Share Posted May 18, 2004 Vava, this is exactly what my mother said after hearing the news. I wouldn't be surprised one bit if it was true. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DominO123 Posted May 18, 2004 Report Share Posted May 18, 2004 That is bullcrap, I do not buy it at all. This kind of video are the only way to win the war against the US public opinion, if it is set by the US, they are shouting on their own feets... which I really dought about it. Afterall, how the US lost the Vietnam war? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anonymouse Posted May 18, 2004 Report Share Posted May 18, 2004 I also find it strange the timing of this video. It was at the height of the U.S. prisoner abuse in Iraq. Mind you, the masses in America have only been showed the filtered fotos and not the real brutal ones circulating on the web and the rest of the world. With that said, I wouldn't be surprised if this was a Pentagon-CIA psyops, or psychological operations. The Soviets called this "disinformatsya" we call ed PsyOps, to deflect attention from the prisoner abuse, garner more support for Iraq, and effectively show the masse, "Look at their heinous, they chopped off the head of an America, they are barbaric. What is that crime compared to what we do? Hell, it doesn't compare." Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DominO123 Posted May 18, 2004 Report Share Posted May 18, 2004 (edited) I also find it strange the timing of this video. It was at the height of the U.S. prisoner abuse in Iraq. Mind you, the masses in America have only been showed the filtered fotos and not the real brutal ones circulating on the web and the rest of the world. With that said, I wouldn't be surprised if this was a Pentagon-CIA psyops, or psychological operations. The Soviets called this "disinformatsya" we call ed PsyOps, to deflect attention from the prisoner abuse, garner more support for Iraq, and effectively show the masse, "Look at their heinous, they chopped off the head of an America, they are barbaric. What is that crime compared to what we do? Hell, it doesn't compare." Bullcrap, it is not that I have expected anything rational from you, since it is expected you will always buy the conspirationist version of everything, but that far... If it was set by the US, tell me why it would be set as an answer to the illtreatment of prisoners, and not something that happened previously, to justify those illtreatments? This is one example among many of why the theses of US set up does not make much sense. This video affect the US public opinion and is an argument for the anti-war side, there is no way they will shout on their own feet. Edited May 18, 2004 by Fadix Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anonymouse Posted May 18, 2004 Report Share Posted May 18, 2004 Bullcrap, it is not that I have expected anything rational from you, since it is expected you will always buy the conspirationist version of everything, but that far... If it was set by the US, tell me why it would be set as an answer to the illtreatment of prisoners, and not something that happened previously, to justify those illtreatments? This is one example among many of why the theses of US set up does not make much sense. This video affect the US public opinion and is an argument for the anti-war side, there is no way they will shout on their own feet. Um, "conspirationist"? You mean, conspiratorial. In any event, you show a gross misunderstanding of 'conspiracy' as a word and concept. Furthermore, ask yourself the question of "Who benefits?", as you watch the video of those Arabs with pasty white hands. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Armen Posted May 18, 2004 Report Share Posted May 18, 2004 Not that I don't agree that conspiracy theories shouldn't be applied to Berg's case yet...But somehow in recent decade the word "conspiracy" has interestigly acquired a value of a funny, foolish thing and consequently when you say someone is conspiracist you mean foolishness. Meanwhile, remember how intensive was American use of conspiracy theories in Cold War. This subjective lable (conspiracism) can be countered by a contra-phrase which is not yet popular because western media doesn't need it yet. Overtime we will see "primitivist rationalism" becoming an equaly valid lable to effectively offset "cospiracism". After all its just a war of lables. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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