Sip Posted March 24, 2004 Report Share Posted March 24, 2004 Well that's what these guys do, isn't it? I highly doubt that "love" is behind these types of marriages. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ExtraHye Posted March 24, 2004 Report Share Posted March 24, 2004 Guys who do this don't know the meaning of love. They just want a wife, and they want it fast. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StealthSwine Posted March 24, 2004 Report Share Posted March 24, 2004 WEAK! she is right. Dude, you are obviously thinking of marriage as more of a business, I am not amazed since the only girl you can be with has to be from the states. No1 outside of it (maybe west europe) would appreciate that kind of thinking. Guys go to Armenia, find a nice girl, bring her back home (or if they have a good job stay in armenia) Like I said, most Armenian girls in America are just too damn hard to please, buy her this and that... Sadly, it is hard to find a girl that will want love, just money money money...once the money stops, she moves on. like a Parasite. No offense to the girls out there, I am sure there are still lovely girls out there...but for the mass' and the ones I have seen with my own eyes...YIKES. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hyebruin Posted March 24, 2004 Report Share Posted March 24, 2004 Sadly, it is hard to find a girl that will want love, just money money money...once the money stops, she moves on. like a Parasite. is that really how things are or is that your perception??? wow! don't know what to say....that's sad Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
koko Posted March 24, 2004 Report Share Posted March 24, 2004 (edited) Huh. Heres the thing. In armenia lives a lot of armeníans. lol. So you want to marry someone armenian? where is the best place to go with lots of armenians u can meet armenia of course. So the guys go to armenia to find someone suitable they can marry. If they were as much good looking boys as there are girls(lool), Im sure the girls would pilgrimate to armenia as well! Edited March 24, 2004 by koko Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sip Posted March 24, 2004 Report Share Posted March 24, 2004 Dude, you are obviously thinking of marriage as more of a business, I am not amazed since the only girl you can be with has to be from the states. No1 outside of it (maybe west europe) would appreciate that kind of thinking. How the heck did you come to this conclusion? Are you talking about me? As I said before, I would NEVER "buy a wife" just to be married If no one outside appreciates that kind of thinking, then how do you explain all the brides for sale businesses that are popping up outside the US? The most notable ones originating from all parts of Russia? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ExtraHye Posted March 24, 2004 Report Share Posted March 24, 2004 Dude, you are obviously thinking of marriage as more of a business, I am not amazed since the only girl you can be with has to be from the states. No1 outside of it (maybe west europe) would appreciate that kind of thinking. I don't think he is, but guys who travel to the other side of the world just to purchse a wife are. How could they possibly fall in love in such a small amount of time. True looks have a lot to do with with a relationship, but it's not everything. Guys go to Armenia, find a nice girl, bring her back home (or if they have a good job stay in armenia) So your saying all girls from Armenia are "nice"??!!! Come on Piggy, haven't you heard of the saying, still water runs deep? You can't trust the quiet once. Like I said, most Armenian girls in America are just too damn hard to please, buy her this and that... How could you say this? Have you ever dated? Sadly, it is hard to find a girl that will want love, just money money money...once the money stops, she moves on. like a Parasite. That is so not true!!! Money isn't everything in life. How dare you say girls who grew up here think this way... True there may be some, but I'm sure you could find them everywhere... Even in Armenia!!! Why else would they travel all the way to the US??!!! No offense to the girls out there, I am sure there are still lovely girls out there...but for the mass' and the ones I have seen with my own eyes...YIKES. None taken!!! You need to do some more research on this before criticizing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gevo27 Posted March 24, 2004 Report Share Posted March 24, 2004 Im traveling to armenia this spring break, week after next... and it came out of the blue that i am going, cause i have told my parents that i wont go to armenia until i get engaged to someone from the states... they would much much rather see me find someone from armenia, for the very same type of thinking as you swine... but i cant agree to your view, not completely... because it is literaly up to every and each individual.. even though where you have been braught up makes a grave difference but that isnt everything. If you havent heard, girls in yerevan are as bad as the ones you describe from the states.. i dont think thats the case. NOW>> i do beleive there are wonderful girls in armenia, dont get me wrong, but the mentality that "a girl from armenia means a better wife" that has got to go... I know many girls here that one day would make beautiful wives.. with all the skills needed, let it be cooking, taking care of babies,,etc.... And, infact i might have met one for myself. i mean.. when you say this, think of what the girls say about guys from the states.. lol.. HALLO!!!!.. but ithink we need to stay away from the mass generalizations we do with this topic.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StealthSwine Posted March 24, 2004 Report Share Posted March 24, 2004 I cant say I dated an Armenian girl, but i have dated... I usually hang out with Armenian couples when i go places, i meet em on accident. I have seen how they act, and that personally has scared me. I dated a white girl once, we went around town on a bus and she didnt complain about anything... Gevo, its not that Armenian girls from Armenia are good either, some are worse, it basically relies on the parents. And the ones in the states are bad, IMO, because their parents are caught up in the capitalist rush, buying expensive luxuries and thigns like that...the girl is helpless but to learn that, mommy gots a new purse and is happy, mommy gots a new jag, and is happy...maybe if i get a jag and purse ill be happy. But im just going around in circles... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hyebruin Posted March 24, 2004 Report Share Posted March 24, 2004 mommy gots a new purse and is happy, mommy gots a new jag, and is happy...maybe if i get a jag and purse ill be happy. i don't know who or what you've been hanging around with! but you have some serious misperceptions about women in general!! which narrow your field of vision and decrease your chances of meeting the 'nice' girl of your dreams... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StealthSwine Posted March 24, 2004 Report Share Posted March 24, 2004 I have met nice girls, a lot of them... I am friends with most of them, but the discusion is about Armenian girls. It is getting harder and harder to find a nice armenian girl... If I ever do find one, and god willing one day i will, I will hold onto her forever. Like kill everyone who gets near. Because the one thing that is important for a man, and i quote,"Behind every good man there stands a great woman". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gevo27 Posted March 24, 2004 Report Share Posted March 24, 2004 (edited) "Behind every good man there stands a great woman". That phrase is an androcentric view of things.. this is how i say it.. "Beside every man there stands a great women" very simple modifications, yet a signifcantly different meaning. Edited March 24, 2004 by gevo27 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sip Posted March 24, 2004 Report Share Posted March 24, 2004 Because the one thing that is important for a man, and i quote,"Behind every good man there stands a great woman". Hope you realize you are quoting a feminist slogan from the early 20th century. I personally think that is a rediculous quote for 2 reasons: 1) I don't think it is a good idea for a women to try to take credit for great men with such statements. It's the friggin 21st century. Women can be great on their own and they don't need to be behind or to the side of any man. 2) There is also no reason to belittle men by implying that their greatness is due to the women. This is just as absurd as thinking men are superior to women. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gevo27 Posted March 24, 2004 Report Share Posted March 24, 2004 Hope you realize you are quoting a feminist slogan from the early 20th century. I personally think that is a rediculous quote for 2 reasons: 1) I don't think it is a good idea for a women to try to take credit for great men with such statements. It's the friggin 21st century. Women can be great on their own and they don't need to be behind or to the side of any man. 2) There is also no reason to belittle men by implying that their greatness is due to the women. This is just as absurd as thinking men are superior to women. my modified quote was to clearify that very point.. except your thinking of non married couples, as i was thinking and reffering to married couples with my modified quote... but yeah for single men/women, what your saying is more or less true Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sip Posted March 24, 2004 Report Share Posted March 24, 2004 "Beside every man there stands a great women" Gevo, that quote doesn't make much sense But I know what you meant and I still don't agree with it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gevo27 Posted March 24, 2004 Report Share Posted March 24, 2004 Gevo, that quote doesn't make much sense But I know what you meant and I still don't agree with it. well what im trying to do is take the sex discrimination away from the that quote.. yeah it sounds weird but sure it makes sense.. and why dont you agree with it???? if we are talking about married couple?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sip Posted March 24, 2004 Report Share Posted March 24, 2004 First, you are saying "beside every man there is a great woman" ... well, it should be obvious that that is simply not true. Second, assuming you meant "Beside every great married man is a great woman (wife?)", I still don't agree since I am sure there are plenty of great men married to useless women. The basic idea I am trying to get accross is that men and women (married or not) do not necessarily need each other to be great as your quote is implying (or trying to imply). Swine's version is simply an ultra-feministic view of things and your version is the ultra-politically correct revision. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
angel4hope Posted March 24, 2004 Report Share Posted March 24, 2004 Im traveling to armenia this spring break, week after next... and it came out of the blue that i am going, cause i have told my parents that i wont go to armenia until i get engaged to someone from the states... they would much much rather see me find someone from armenia, for the very same type of thinking as you swine... but i cant agree to your view, not completely... because it is literaly up to every and each individual.. even though where you have been braught up makes a grave difference but that isnt everything. If you havent heard, girls in yerevan are as bad as the ones you describe from the states.. i dont think thats the case. NOW>> i do beleive there are wonderful girls in armenia, dont get me wrong, but the mentality that "a girl from armenia means a better wife" that has got to go... I know many girls here that one day would make beautiful wives.. with all the skills needed, let it be cooking, taking care of babies,,etc.... And, infact i might have met one for myself. i mean.. when you say this, think of what the girls say about guys from the states.. lol.. HALLO!!!!.. but ithink we need to stay away from the mass generalizations we do with this topic.. aye gevo sometimes you amaze me to how smart you are for your age--> and i always thought guys ur age were immature... apres!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ak8081 Posted March 24, 2004 Report Share Posted March 24, 2004 Marriages for centuries were done as economic transactions -- women have always wanted a breadwinner, and someone who is financialy stable, and men have wanted a woman who is younger, good-looking, and able to provide and care for children and a family. Perceptions in America might become a little skewed. Men want a smart, educated girl, but then don't want them to even give a second thought about how much money they make. They think that foreign brides are less materialistic --but its all relative--women from foreign countries usually have it really bad and have lesser materialistic standards and will work harder to please a man. A woman in America is less dependent and will leave when it gets too difficult. Women here live in a capitalistic society and are sometimes as money driven as their male peers, so understandably it carries over into their choice of a mate to a more attenuated degree. Whether people admit it or not, they look at these things and then decide what they are willing to accept, or not -- this is implicitly evident---usually people end up marrying close to their socioeconomic range. If a girl were to tell me that she doesn't care how much her future husband is going to make, I would be very skeptical of that person. If a man told me he didnt care what his wife looked like, or how old she was (as long as it was love) i'd say he was within the exceptions. Like it or not -- this is how society is driven, and was driven. Not to say that this is THE ONLY CONCERN, but -- it is a concern. Not just limited to women in America----We are all products of our environment. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
koko Posted March 24, 2004 Report Share Posted March 24, 2004 (edited) Perceptions in America might become a little skewed. Men want a smart, educated girl, but then don't want them to even give a second thought about how much money they make. They think that foreign brides are less materialistic --but its all relative--women from foreign countries usually have it really bad and have lesser materialistic standards and will work harder to please a man. I think you have a strange vision on how things really are in other countries, like armenia. Work harder to please a man? You assume that they just sit in armenia and wait for a rich armenian man to come and marry them? Maybe they have less materialistic standars but dont jump into conclusions. Lack of materialastic standars, doesnt nessarily mean that the only thing that is intestering to the girls is getting married and leaving the country. Dont nessarilty mean that they are unhappy. There is diffrent sort of people everywhere, the ones who are intrested not in just getting a MAN they can be depended on who will earn money for them, but they are intrested in life, and education and work. Armenians are a very hard working people. And the girls and women in Armenia I'd say has more brains and courage than the boys of armenia have shown themselves to have. If a girl were to tell me that she doesn't care how much her future husband is going to make, I would be very skeptical of that person. Love doesnt have economical boundaries. if youre in love with someone, it doesnt really matter how much money he or she makes. Money isn't everything you know. Maybe you guys have lived too long in the US? Edited March 25, 2004 by koko Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sip Posted March 24, 2004 Report Share Posted March 24, 2004 Welcome to the board ak8081. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gevo27 Posted March 24, 2004 Report Share Posted March 24, 2004 First, you are saying "beside every man there is a great woman" ... well, it should be obvious that that is simply not true. Second, assuming you meant "Beside every great married man is a great woman (wife?)", I still don't agree since I am sure there are plenty of great men married to useless women. The basic idea I am trying to get accross is that men and women (married or not) do not necessarily need each other to be great as your quote is implying (or trying to imply). Swine's version is simply an ultra-feministic view of things and your version is the ultra-politically correct revision. ay ay ay your making a big deal.. lol.. you know what i meant im sure. so thats enough.. lol.. "beside every great married man, there SHOULD be a great women" is that good enough for yeah... lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
inchbes Posted March 24, 2004 Report Share Posted March 24, 2004 Armenian guys are stereotyped in this way because they're brought up surrounded by cotton wool, by their mothers. The way people are brought up in general leads to what they become..... There is some kind of feeling amongst Armenians that the men are the more powerful, when, in fact, it's the women who have the influence. These men who go to Armenia to find women, they find the women who are 24 or younger, have a 'university' education (whatever that means) and look like prostitutes. In fact, these girls have probably never cooked in their life, because their tatiks, mothers, or aunts are still cooking for them and as to cleaning - ummm, whether they take off their make-up correctly at night is questionable. But really, as long as she smiles sweetly in public, looks good, never questions what the husband says, then what's the problem? Fact is, what happens at home is no-one elses business - whether she's a complaining bitch who can't cook, or is too young to be able to pass any type of wisdom down to the kids...who cares? These kind of guys would probably be happy if a girl smiled at them;-) bonus if they speak to them. What Armenian guy would want a girl who could cook really well, and look after kids, whilst being extremely clever and have a great sense of humour and independence? Ummmm not many - it's too scary and for these guys who go looking in Armenia that's why.... The majority (and there are a fantastic minority) of Hayastanci girls have been trained to be married by the age of 21 - it's a goal, an aspiration, a catch (oh yes, they do many many things to get guys - it's scary).......say yes, never question and do what he wants....he creates you. A EXTREMELY interesting fact: who knows a Armenian female from abroad who has married a Hayastanci guy - anyone? because I certainly haven't!!!! PS For those guys who read these logs in astonishment that anyone would be able to find a girl with these methods: you're right - what the hell?? Anyway, 100% of the females I know in Armenia would not degrade themselves to marry these kinds of guys - they don't have to marry locals, they don't have to marry Diasporans - they marry who they fall in love with or maybe won't marry at all..... PPS It's only the western guys who do this....notice how Barskahays, Syria hays etc have enough respect for women not to come hunting in this disgusting manner - what has the US done?...!!!!! ;-) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hyebruin Posted March 25, 2004 Report Share Posted March 25, 2004 aye gevo sometimes you amaze me to how smart you are for your age--> and i always thought guys ur age were immature... apres!! they ARE!!! he's just a sweet exception Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StealthSwine Posted March 25, 2004 Report Share Posted March 25, 2004 whatever... bah, Women's Rights... It really pisses me off when the wife is the "breadwinner" and th father is a lazy arse... In this world, it seems like giving women "equal" rights, you encourage them to bring men under their power... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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