Sip Posted March 25, 2004 Report Share Posted March 25, 2004 In this world, it seems like giving women "equal" rights, you encourage them to bring men under their power... Who is the one who "owns" those rights that is then "giving them" to the women? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ak8081 Posted March 25, 2004 Report Share Posted March 25, 2004 (edited) Dear Koko, I think you misunderstood the point I was trying to make. I just meant that foreign women (not just limited to Armenia but other countries as well), when compared to American women (again--Not necessarily American-Armenians, but women in America) , are willing to work harder to preserve a marriage and to please their husbands. This includes: cooking, cleaning, being respectful of men's feelings and wishes, looking good physically and generally toughing it out. I actually respect this a great deal -- regardless of what fuels the difference. My question was --why the difference? In comparison-- why are American women quicker to divorce and to leave? I think someone here posted a commentary about how American women are at the bottom of the desireability chart when it comes to wives. I believe the reason is that here women are more economically independent, have less social pressure/stigma attached to divorce. I am not passing judgment on women from Armenia. If a guy wants to marry a girl from Armenia, my response is: Why not? They're our women, and they're going to be the mothers of future generations of Armenians. My parents are from Hayastan, and if they did not immigrate here in the 1970s, I would have been born and raised as a female in Armenia. All I am saying is that our situations and environment are different, and this explains some differences in women that men seem to notice between women in the U.S. and foreign women. Also, in terms of having income become a factor in deciding who to marry -- it is most definitely there -- perhaps not at such a direct and obvious manner. Just for example -- If you notice, usually people that are PHD's or have Master's degrees tend to marry those who are equally educated or have equal earning capacities. This is especially true of the women. Would a PHD woman marry someone with no high school education? I haven't seen it happen, but Im sure there are some exceptions. Now, I have seen men marry less educated women---- but here other factors enter into consideration such as those I mentioned previously (Like the young, good looking woman, etc) Given there are other factors that do go into this -- If you have a formal education, maybe you have more in common with a person who is also formally educated. This logically carries over into the monetary aspect as well -- By capitalistic standards -- you are labeled as more "driven" and more "sucessful." By other standards, you are labeled as "materialistic." Anyway, sucessful people tend to marry sucessful people. They find things in common. They fall in love. I'm not talking about a $5K differential in income that's going to make or break a deal but rather generalities about real life and how i have noticed things to work. I am in law school right now and out of all of the Armenian girls here, none of them are engaged to men who have lesser education (thus earning potential) then they do. Is it a coincidence? Maybe. But it is definitely a discernable trend. Sorry if this seems rather cold and hard-nosed, but it's my opinion of how I have seen things to work. Edited March 25, 2004 by ak8081 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ak8081 Posted March 25, 2004 Report Share Posted March 25, 2004 Thanks for the welcome Sip Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StealthSwine Posted March 25, 2004 Report Share Posted March 25, 2004 nothing makes them different, it is just that power can not be shared. it can NEVER be equally shared. and, by equal i mean, when a chick beats on a guy, he just has to take it. Men and Women are equally in terms of political freedom, but somethings like prostitution, pornography, and anti male behavior gets to be annoying. Dont tell me guys bring this on themselves... If Women take the jobs away from men, then what will men do? take care of kids? I think not. Thats another thing with giving women a lot of rights, they make shows like Oprah and discuss things making guys look worse. Then they say men Imprison them in their home and wont let them get out. So many movies and books about anti male topics, and anti male themes. we might as well live like elephants, the females will contorl everything and the guys will wonder around, impregenating a female...and living on his own. (from 1900s on, the world went up! and then fell down) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sip Posted March 25, 2004 Report Share Posted March 25, 2004 If Women take the jobs away from men, then what will men do? take care of kids? I think not. Why not? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gevo27 Posted March 25, 2004 Report Share Posted March 25, 2004 Im traveling to armenia this spring break, week after next... and it came out of the blue that i am going, cause i have told my parents that i wont go to armenia until i get engaged to someone from the states... they would much much rather see me find someone from armenia, for the very same type of thinking as you swine... but i cant agree to your view, not completely... because it is literaly up to every and each individual.. even though where you have been braught up makes a grave difference but that isnt everything. If you havent heard, girls in yerevan are as bad as the ones you describe from the states.. i dont think thats the case. NOW>> i do beleive there are wonderful girls in armenia, dont get me wrong, but the mentality that "a girl from armenia means a better wife" that has got to go... I know many girls here that one day would make beautiful wives.. with all the skills needed, let it be cooking, taking care of babies,,etc.... And, infact i might have met one for myself. i mean.. when you say this, think of what the girls say about guys from the states.. lol.. HALLO!!!!.. but ithink we need to stay away from the mass generalizations we do with this topic.. i still have hope.. very little as tickets get moer and more expensive by the hour. WHY ME!!!!!! lol.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hyebruin Posted March 25, 2004 Report Share Posted March 25, 2004 (edited) this thread is turning into an annoying run on full of misogynistic nonsense!!! someone kill it please!!! Edited March 25, 2004 by hyebruin Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gevo27 Posted March 25, 2004 Report Share Posted March 25, 2004 this thread is turning into an annoying run on full of misogynistic nonsense!!! someone kill it please!!! yes sorry and i have contributed to that nice word... ""misogynistic"" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hyegirl Posted March 31, 2004 Author Report Share Posted March 31, 2004 What it all boils down to is the fact that a good majority of Armenian marriages are based on convenience and it is evidently very convenient for guys from the U.S. to bring a wife from Armenia It makes it impossible for those of us looking for a real realtionship to find an Armenian guy looking for the same. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hyebruin Posted March 31, 2004 Report Share Posted March 31, 2004 that's why i say the hell with armenian guys!!! at least there are some normal white guys left in this world!! all this armenian armenian!... yeah those were different times and armenian men had more sense of family and committment than they do now...why are we brought up to think like this?? who are we "waiting" for? some pompous jerk who cares more about his car and his career than about love and family?? this is an epidemic with armenians, and i believe that being happy is more important than marrying an armenian....i sooooo used to not think like this!!! but all these immature brats who are still in "transitional adulthood" make me sick!! we shouldn't wait around for them to grow up! we should find the ones who are already grown!! real men!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gevo27 Posted March 31, 2004 Report Share Posted March 31, 2004 that's why i say the hell with armenian guys!!! at least there are some normal white guys left in this world!! all this armenian armenian!... yeah those were different times and armenian men had more sense of family and committment than they do now...why are we brought up to think like this?? who are we "waiting" for? some pompous jerk who cares more about his car and his career than about love and family?? this is an epidemic with armenians, and i believe that being happy is more important than marrying an armenian....i sooooo used to not think like this!!! but all these immature brats who are still in "transitional adulthood" make me sick!! we shouldn't wait around for them to grow up! we should find the ones who are already grown!! real men!!! im gonna stop reading this particular thread.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sip Posted March 31, 2004 Report Share Posted March 31, 2004 this thread is turning into an annoying run on full of misogynistic nonsense!!! someone kill it please!!! And just WHO exactly do you suggest should do this? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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