Anoushik Posted January 14, 2004 Report Share Posted January 14, 2004 Is love really "disappearing" or did it never even really exist the way fairy tales , hollywood movies, and romance novels depict it? Love never really existed in the history of mankind until the Romantic period in the 19th century. Even then it was just a fantasy that only existed in art, music, and literature. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hyebruin Posted January 14, 2004 Report Share Posted January 14, 2004 (edited) ...So maybe, just maybe, it's not really "disappearing" at all! Maybe it was never really there to begin with. how can you say that? my heart would stop laughing and beating the day that becomes reality... Edited January 14, 2004 by hyebruin Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sip Posted January 14, 2004 Report Share Posted January 14, 2004 Anoushik, I am digging what you are saying!!! But I would say the "romantic" period was a bit before the 19th century. I would say our modern concept of "romantic love" started to appear during the Renaissance around the 15th century (maybe a bit earlier) ... one can see some examples with Shakespeare and the now cliche Romeo and Juliet type of "love". If you look before that, it's hard to find this "love" between a man and a woman as we know it today. The church also seems to have had a BIG role in trying to push to make the "love" being the glue of the monogamous family unit as the basis for a moral society. Now you talk to the average person on the street and they'll make it sound like "true romantic love" is such a universal thing rooted in the human psyche while most of it is learned social behavior. my heart would stop laughing and beating the day that becomes reality... Bruin, knowing you, your heart will probably never stop to laugh. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stormig Posted January 14, 2004 Report Share Posted January 14, 2004 Is love really "disappearing" or did it never even really exist the way fairy tales , hollywood movies, and romance novels depict it? I mean before 50-60 years ago, doesn't sound to me like love was the reason for marriage. And now, people are more confused than ever about what love was, is, will be, and is supposed to be. So maybe, just maybe, it's not really "disappearing" at all! Maybe it was never really there to begin with. Yes, for most of the world, this has probably been the case. All those places in the world - the Far East, Africa, the Americas - traditionally all arranged marriages. I don't think that love per se has to have been "discovered" during Romanticism - love as in chemistry, not robotics, an outcome of marriage. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ExtraHye Posted January 14, 2004 Report Share Posted January 14, 2004 Is love really "disappearing" or did it never even really exist the way fairy tales , hollywood movies, and romance novels depict it? Yes, love does exist. It has always existed. The only thing Hollywood movies did was make people believe at "Love at first sight", "Love will last forever" etc. etc., now that does not exist. It is gained from respect and honesty. Love never lasts forever, but repect could. I mean before 50-60 years ago, doesn't sound to me like love was the reason for marriage. So what is the reason for marriage then? Do you agree with the guys who travel to the other side of the planet to marry a girl they've just met? Only because she's pretty, not knowing what her attentions are? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stormig Posted January 14, 2004 Report Share Posted January 14, 2004 It's old fashioned and yucky for us, but not at all illegal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hyebruin Posted January 15, 2004 Report Share Posted January 15, 2004 the power and gift of love and loving have always been and will continue to be ... it's just that once we humans evolved from our more animal like psyche and became more enlightened we discovered this gift of God... no one can love like God can and as a world we are moving in that direction... as respect, kindness, and justice/fairness became more conscious in society, humans discovered (or should i say rediscovered) love and our capacity to receive and to reciprocate it with another person... think about this: can animals love? that's a loaded question, but perhaps not to the same extent that we do and they certainly do not celebrate it or grieve over it in quite the same way that we do... love between husband and wife or lovers is only part of the equation...we are evolving as a socity and becoming less barbaric (even though the headlines do not always reflect this)...but really we are advancing...in this country we have gotten rid of slavery and discrimination (at least legally for the latter part), we have developed human rights organizations, we try to speak up for those who are weak, too young, and cannot, we try to be fair and recognize our fellow citizens' rights to be happy and have access to education, employment...etc. all is certainly not perfect!! definitely not perfect!! but we have come a long way as earthly beings (at least in large) from hanging people to death and beheading them or burning them on the stake to dealing with crime and vice more graciously and humanely...so why is it surprising that within the last few hundred years we have discovered the most powerful force in the universe??? when the mind grows, it leads the way for the heart to grow as well...and an open mind does not necessarily mean an educated mind either, rather one that has become awakened, is compassionate, seeks justice, does good, and wants the best for the world... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hyegirl Posted January 23, 2004 Author Report Share Posted January 23, 2004 I suppose it's all about wanting desperately to move to the United States. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anonymouse Posted January 23, 2004 Report Share Posted January 23, 2004 Hello Everyone, I am new on this forum and am interested in hearing what you guys have to say regarding the topic below. How can Armenian guys living in the U.S. go for a visit to Armenia and while there, get married all in a matter of less than a couple of weeks ? How can this relationship be real and meaningful in such a short time as to lead to marriage ? Is it just convenience for the guy and economic desperation for the girl that constitutes their decision to marry ? How can it be more that just that in such a short time. This has been baffling me. I'd love to hear what you guys have to say regarding this trend. Well, if you ask a mouse such as I, I'll tell you that humans can be really strange sometimes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
_Anka_ Posted March 6, 2004 Report Share Posted March 6, 2004 I know a guy in Canada who wants to go to Armenia to get married. He says that there are no more Armenian virgins left in Canada (imagine that!) When I asked him why he wanted a virgin he told me that "guys want virgins because they know that virgins will never cheat on them, whereas a girl who had partners before will most likely cheat on them." I guess only an ARmenian guy could have such a primitive brain. sad..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CheekY Posted March 6, 2004 Report Share Posted March 6, 2004 I know a guy in Canada who wants to go to Armenia to get married. He says that there are no more Armenian virgins left in Canada (imagine that!) When I asked him why he wanted a virgin he told me that "guys want virgins because they know that virgins will never cheat on them, whereas a girl who had partners before will most likely cheat on them." I guess only an ARmenian guy could have such a primitive brain. sad..... no comment <_< Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gevo27 Posted March 7, 2004 Report Share Posted March 7, 2004 I know a guy in Canada who wants to go to Armenia to get married. He says that there are no more Armenian virgins left in Canada (imagine that!) When I asked him why he wanted a virgin he told me that "guys want virgins because they know that virgins will never cheat on them, whereas a girl who had partners before will most likely cheat on them." I guess only an ARmenian guy could have such a primitive brain. sad..... thats stupid... there is more to wanting a virgin... and being one yourself! . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sip Posted March 7, 2004 Report Share Posted March 7, 2004 ... he told me that "guys want virgins because they know that virgins will never cheat on them, whereas a girl who had partners before will most likely cheat on them." I guess only an ARmenian guy could have such a primitive brain. sad..... It's not "primitive" ... it just screams of insecurity. A guy that knows he can please a woman in ways no other guy can, will have no such virginity demands. He wouldn't worry about her cheating because she won't have any reason to. Actually, I strongly believe that a virgin who is then with one partner will wonder a lot more in his or her life than the person that first experiences life and different people and then makes a smart decision and picks the person he or she really likes to be with for the rest of life. The experienced person will be more at ease with his or her decision as having been the right one. This entire concept of viriginity and saving oneself is just so rediculous. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gevo27 Posted March 7, 2004 Report Share Posted March 7, 2004 This entire concept of viriginity and saving oneself is just so rediculous. "SAVING ONESELF" whats that mean?? and why is it rediculouse? am i the only one here that thinks virginity is better than not? only one that doesnt agree to sex with a new partner once a week? look.. i dont wanna hurt anyones feelings or whatever... but that kind of behavior can be compared to animals, like my dog... we are higher inteligence.. right? and we understand respect.. right? i mean.. see what this society has done.. just because sex is the greatest feeling physically a guy and a girl can get, society has rigged into our heads how "ok" it is.. ITS BULLLSHI** Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sip Posted March 7, 2004 Report Share Posted March 7, 2004 Gevo, not being a virgin does not equal to being a whore. The way you talk it sounds like to you, someone who may have had 2 boyfriends in 5 years is the same as a $50 Ho who works on Hollywood Blvd usually having 3 or more clients a night. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sip Posted March 7, 2004 Report Share Posted March 7, 2004 By the way, this whole "virginity" business puts a lot more emphasis on "sex" than there should be. It forces people to constantly think about sex when thinking about forming relationships while that shouldn't be the main factor when people are trying to become "close". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gevo27 Posted March 7, 2004 Report Share Posted March 7, 2004 well, the only diff i see is the frequency in the guy changing, and making money vs not.. everything else is for pleasure.. is it not?? why else would you have sex with someone, which i like to use the phrase "wax with" and then not see her anymore? because why, after a little sex your ready to try new one? hmm.. sounds like a ho to me.. or if that is such a strong word.. you come up with a better term for it then, either way.. its animality... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CheekY Posted March 7, 2004 Report Share Posted March 7, 2004 yeah maybe you should close all the threads about sex and virginity? lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CheekY Posted March 7, 2004 Report Share Posted March 7, 2004 well, the only diff i see is the frequency in the guy changing, and making money vs not.. everything else is for pleasure.. is it not?? why else would you have sex with someone, which i like to use the phrase "wax with" and then not see her anymore? because why, after a little sex your ready to try new one? hmm.. sounds like a ho to me.. or if that is such a strong word.. you come up with a better term for it then, either way.. its animality... it's also the girl's fault...if she wanted to have a proper relationship she wouldn't sleep with some guy on their 3rd date without even getting to know each other properly which takes months. so yeah then she is a whore and you can't really blame the guy because the girl doesn't respect herself in the first place, let alone the guy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gevo27 Posted March 7, 2004 Report Share Posted March 7, 2004 yeah maybe you should close all the threads about sex and virginity? lol ehh skittles jan.. its not up to me how anyone thinks of anything.. kurik jan, everyone does to themselves what they do, wont have an impact on my personal life obviously... but i am just baffled... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gevo27 Posted March 7, 2004 Report Share Posted March 7, 2004 it's also the girl's fault...if she wanted to have a proper relationship she wouldn't sleep with some guy on their 3rd date without even getting to know each other properly which takes months. so yeah then she is a whore and you can't really blame the guy because the girl doesn't respect herself in the first place, let alone the guy. ahhh hang tight there.. what im saying matters not 1st second or whichever date.. marriage, the "holly matrimony" bringing man and wife together as a "union" and then allowing them to "you may now kiss the bride" he doesnt say you may kiss the bride, the priest says "You may NOW kiss the bride" means something .. really it does..!!!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CheekY Posted March 7, 2004 Report Share Posted March 7, 2004 oh well i just meant it's only ok when you're in a serious relationship or when you're engaged or something...i don't think i could ever sleep with some guy i didn't know even if he was the hottest guy in the world. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sip Posted March 7, 2004 Report Share Posted March 7, 2004 Gevo, I hope you are not suggesting that people shouldn't even kiss before getting married. Because at some point they weren't even allowed to see each other before marriage. So now hopefully you can see the parallel between how rediculous those customs are now and try to extend that thinking to the archaic virginity requirements. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hyebruin Posted March 7, 2004 Report Share Posted March 7, 2004 i just think people should mind their own biz!! and stop labeling and categorizing everything!! PERIOD!!! i do agree with sip! if one is deprived all their life from sex until marriage...well, that kind of sexual tension and the need for a release might make one jump into a relationship or even a marriage that is just plain WRONG!!! for that person!! basically it translates into getting married just so you can "do it"....that is sad!!! and the forecast doesn't look too good either in the long run!! i mean how compatible are you with the person? and what do you have in common? ...besides the need to get laid!? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gevo27 Posted March 7, 2004 Report Share Posted March 7, 2004 Gevo, I hope you are not suggesting that people shouldn't even kiss before getting married. Because at some point they weren't even allowed to see each other before marriage. So now hopefully you can see the parallel between how rediculous those customs are now and try to extend that thinking to the archaic virginity requirements. negative.. i am not a fundamentalist with theories of everyone being perfect, and everyone following one way of life... kissing is not "the most intimate" aspect of a relationship... kissing is a way of showing affection.. yeah so is sex.. sure.... only when your married.. thus making my point! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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