Anoushik Posted November 20, 2003 Report Share Posted November 20, 2003 In a marriage there shouldn't be a "head of the family". Rather, in my opinion a marriage should be regarded as a team with each person having equal responsibilities and equal voice when it comes to dicussing or solving matters. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KavorKin99 Posted November 20, 2003 Report Share Posted November 20, 2003 anoushik ur smart girl lol....hehe <_< Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hyebruin Posted November 20, 2003 Report Share Posted November 20, 2003 interesting conversation!...you know what they say "hor d@neetz, g@naatz mardu dun@"...what does that mean? to me, it seems to imply that the husband has taken over the role of the "father" + the other husbandly responsibilities...basically implying that women need a man "to take care of them"...that's b.s. ...EVERYONE needs to be nurtured on some emotional level, sure! but with armenians it's usually (though it's changing now! thank God!) the case where the woman needs the man not only emotionally and physically but also financially!...what's wrong with two independent people getting together? most of the arguments in a marriage are over money anyways....so, if these 'traditional men' respected the career minded, independent woman mentality, there would be less conflict at home and more harmony!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
angel4hope Posted November 20, 2003 Report Share Posted November 20, 2003 no matter what culture or influence-- its a psychological thing-gender role--men have specific roles and so do women--men are the bread winners and women the caertakers--although there may be a slight difference in the socioeconomic latter---but there still exists cases where in large companies-men are still paid more than women for doing the same job--because its just society-men are seen as th superior to women-in most cases-if not in the family maybe in economics, society, other things....another fact---there's a large difference in males and females-physically, biologically, physiologicall-as well as psychologically-- and how can one expect such difference not to be expressed in words or thughts--in many psychological studies-it was evident that women use certain parts of their brain which is responsible for reasoning, more than men--and that men use a certain part of their brain which is mainly responsible for spatial reasoning--physics/mathematics....implying that men are better at spatial "things" and women better at emotional reasoning....anyway---these are differences in our bodies/physilogy whch effect what we think say and do---therefore there is bound to be much difference bettween men and women and when these differences are observed they begin to form stereotypical views in society-such as-men can be more violent---therefore--they are the more agressive ones---i dunno if im making much sense here but im trying... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hyebruin Posted November 20, 2003 Report Share Posted November 20, 2003 yes, what you're saying has some merit to it! men will always have more hemoglobin and thus be faster runners than women, that's true! but let's not get carried away and create borders and define ourselves based on a few physiological facts...men and women on average are equally intelligent, however each gender uses his or her brain differently especially processing information or solving a problem..and YES testosterone is what gives men the advantage of having better spatial visualization, which means that once women/girls realize this they can work harder in this area and literally realize their potential! same thing with young boys and language; with proper education they too can bring themselves up to their female counterparts! ---what's really sad in my opinion is when these "stereotypes" are applied to different cultures especially minorities living in the u.s....no wonder a good portion of those poor kids grow up feeling stupid or inept or non-competitive!! someone/society TAUGHT them they can not measure up! what a shame!! and then of course there are those who have a strong will and overcome great odds and are awe inspiring! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anoushik Posted November 20, 2003 Report Share Posted November 20, 2003 Hyebruin and Angel, you're both right. But what you are talking about is in the most general sense. Obviously there are differences between men and women. Therefore we have one group of people called men and the other called women. But the Europeans and the Americans have learned (to some degree) to respect those differences and thus they have learned to respect women. (Again, to some degree.) We, Armenians, aren't close yet to having the same mentality about women as do the Europeans. But I do believe that soon - in the near future - the Armenians will also change their views regarding women. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
angel4hope Posted November 20, 2003 Report Share Posted November 20, 2003 true-2 some certain extent--anushik--i kinda disagree but id rather keepit as is--its cool--everyone is entitled 2 their own opinion Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ExtraHye Posted December 23, 2003 Report Share Posted December 23, 2003 (edited) I think that man who control their woman to much married the wrong woman, the kind that should be controlled (in their point of view). A woman should be treated as a slave but as the best thing that ever happened to the man but... Also let`s not forget that even the first woman on the world (remember Adam and Eve?) caused a lot of trouble! The man should be the head of the family. Allthough I think that the woman should be seen as "the best thing that ever happened to the husband" she should still obai her husband like an traditional strong Armenian family. I think most of our women will agree on that, right? David Is this joke??!!!! Who in their right mind would agree with you!!!! Edited December 23, 2003 by ExtraHye Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sev-mard Posted December 23, 2003 Report Share Posted December 23, 2003 I think that man who control their woman to much married the wrong woman, the kind that should be controlled (in their point of view). A woman should be treated as a slave but as the best thing that ever happened to the man but... Also let`s not forget that even the first woman on the world (remember Adam and Eve?) caused a lot of trouble! The man should be the head of the family. Allthough I think that the woman should be seen as "the best thing that ever happened to the husband" she should still obai her husband like an traditional strong Armenian family. I think most of our women will agree on that, right? David Whoa.....this maybe a flaming about to happen.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anoushik Posted December 23, 2003 Report Share Posted December 23, 2003 I think most of our women will agree on that, right? David Not a chance, Davo. Please get over your ancient views for your sake and your (maybe future) wife's sake. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dan Posted December 23, 2003 Report Share Posted December 23, 2003 even the first woman on the world (remember Adam and Eve?) Actually, Lilith was Adam's first wife... and she didn't like his stupid control-freak nature, so she left him, and Adam found Eve ... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dan Posted December 23, 2003 Report Share Posted December 23, 2003 (edited) Allthough I think that the woman should be seen as "the best thing that ever happened to the husband" she should still obai her husband like an traditional strong Armenian family. Please, don't get me started... It's about time Armenian men stop being stupid and treating women like they're objects to be traded between the father and the future husband... get over yourself. Edited December 23, 2003 by Dan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dan Posted December 23, 2003 Report Share Posted December 23, 2003 Is it you that will stand in front of the bear and your husband hiding behind you or the other way around? Puhleeez, that has nothing to do with the law of nature. it's about the way we're brought up, males and females... it's about gender education and identity formation, not instincts. it's about "oooh, the wife protected the husband, shame on him, he's such a sissy"... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ED Posted December 23, 2003 Report Share Posted December 23, 2003 This is to all Armenian women in here Girls, how many of you want your man to be like American (most) white boys, I mean smile nonstop, clean the house, make dinner, wash the dishes, do the laundry, etc... Would that turn you on? A man who is more faminante then you? how would you lets say want to have a sex with that king of a man, this thread is not about how rabiz, uneducated, smelly , tasteless some Armenian man are, this is really about how much do you want you man to be like a man, not just like a pussycat or something. maybe Armenian man just appear overcontroling in comparison to whom? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sev-mard Posted December 23, 2003 Report Share Posted December 23, 2003 Actually, Lilith was Adam's first wife... and she didn't like his stupid control-freak nature, so she left him, and Adam found Eve ... Blasphemer!!! Â Â j/k Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dan Posted December 23, 2003 Report Share Posted December 23, 2003 So Dan, if it has to do with the way we`re brought up, is there anything wrong with that? We are Armenians not Americans or Europeans. yes, there is a lot wrong with it -- it is bigoted and stupid. it encourages inequality rather than closing the gap in social standing (not talking about physical differences). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stormig Posted December 23, 2003 Report Share Posted December 23, 2003 Edward, what you describe as "white boy" is someone with confidence. And that is a MAJOR turn-on - for me, anyway. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stormig Posted December 23, 2003 Report Share Posted December 23, 2003 Actually, Lilith was Adam's first wife... and she didn't like his stupid control-freak nature, so she left him, and Adam found Eve ... Was Eve Armenian? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anoushik Posted December 23, 2003 Report Share Posted December 23, 2003 Girls, how many of you want your man to be like American (most) white boys Edward, that's the exact kind of guy I want for a husband. Thank you for describing him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ED Posted December 23, 2003 Report Share Posted December 23, 2003 (edited) Edward, what you describe as "white boy" is someone with confidence. And that is a MAJOR turn-on - for me, anyway. Stormig, when I say White boy I ment , most dont have one in the places or times when most maters, you just got to use your briliante emagination, shouldent be hard for a woman like you but of course, confidance is the most essential. I'm sure I understhood you right Edited December 23, 2003 by Edward Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ED Posted December 23, 2003 Report Share Posted December 23, 2003 Edward, that's the exact kind of guy I want for a husband. Thank you for describing him. Anushig jan, no you dont! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sev-mard Posted December 23, 2003 Report Share Posted December 23, 2003 This is to all Armenian women in here Girls, how many of you want your man to be like American (most) white boys, I mean smile nonstop, clean the house, make dinner, wash the dishes, do the laundry, etc... Would that turn you on? A man who is more faminante then you? how would you lets say want to have a sex with that king of a man, this thread is not about how rabiz, uneducated, smelly , tasteless some Armenian man are, this is really about how much do you want you man to be like a man, not just like a pussycat or something. maybe Armenian man just appear overcontroling in comparison to whom? It's not so black and white man. You can still be a man, without 'punking' your woman you know. That's what I think anyway. And if you're able to handle yourself in such a way, you'll get your woman defering to you in many situations anyway. The super hardcore macho stance is just too much, takes too much damn energy. Trying to prove your tough by making your woman walk behind, just don't need all of that in my life. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dan Posted December 23, 2003 Report Share Posted December 23, 2003 Was Eve Armenian? According to many Armenians, she is.. lol... but then again, some Armenians tend to make everything about their nation/culture... like Gus in My Big Fat Greek Wedding. Talk about arguing about something that has not been proven to exist in the first place... lol... what a waste of time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anoushik Posted December 23, 2003 Report Share Posted December 23, 2003 If it`s you hiding behind your husband then you see that in "the law of nature" it is and will always be a fact that there is a difference between men and women. The man protects his husband and the husband is the head of the family. So it has nothing to do with modern society or anything like that. It has everything to do with modern society. We are not living in the woods anymore, and men don't go hunting for wild animals with their bare hands while women stay at home to prepare clothing and food. In today's society both men and women go to work and their work is a direct result of the kind of education they receive. Both men and women are educated and both men and women contribute to today's society. Don't be intimidated by these changes, David, but acknowledge them and embrace them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stormig Posted December 23, 2003 Report Share Posted December 23, 2003 I agree, Sevig - punking out on people/women is a MAJOR indicator of lack of confidence. It is bullying, and bullies are characterized by psychologists to be weak people at the core... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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